Letter to the Editor – James Borer suggests Tim Hudak is more Sound Bites than Substance – February 11, 2011 –

Letter to the Editor – James Borer suggests Tim Hudak is more Sound Bites than Substance – February 11, 2011 –

Lunenberg ON – The Ontario PC Party under Tim Hudak seems to have come to the conclusion that if they shout all their sound bites, nobody will notice the complete lack of substance in what they are saying.

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This was certainly true of Tory MPPs Lisa McLeod and Steve Clark during their recent visit to Cornwall, part of a Tirade Tour of Ontario blasting Local Health Integration Networks (LHINs). They have promised to close the LHINs down, calling them “bloated bureaucracies” and “middlemen.”  Here’s what they AREN’T telling you:

LHINs replaced the District Health Councils that were first put in place in 1975.  While part of the Mike Harris government, Hudak had nothing to say on these Councils, despite the fact that Cornwall and pretty much all of Eastern Ontario were given short shrift by them.  The McGuinty government replaced those Councils with LHINs and made sure they were representative of and accountable to the regions they were responsible for.

Being on the ground in the communities they serve, LHINs are mandated to find out where in local healthcare funding is needed, and by keeping the system integrated, makes sure gaps and overlaps are avoided – ensuring our money isn’t wasted and no needed services are neglected.  To find out exactly what they do, visit http://www.champlainlhin.on.ca/faq.aspx.  If the Hudak PCs plan to cut the LHINs entirely, how are they going to find out where support is needed?  They will either have to replace LHINs with some other “middleman” or have critical decisions made by some political staffer in Toronto who doesn’t know the distance or difference between Cornwall and Winchester.  Either Hudak hasn’t thought this through, or he has, and isn’t telling us his intentions.  Not a good way to build confidence.

Of course, we already have good reasons not to trust the Hudak Tories with our healthcare.  Just this week, they flip-flopped on whether they would cut the health premium and gut $3 billion from Ontario’s healthcare budget.  Hudak’s office and Tory MPP Sylvia Jones said they wouldn’t cut the premium, and then days later, Hudak himself said he would.  This is the same sort of stance they have taken on the HST; they were all for it until the McGuinty government implemented it, and now say they’re against it, but won’t promise to cut it.  To distract the public from these inconsistencies, Hudak has suddenly made lowering the price of beer one his priorities.

Whether the Tories don’t have a plan, or have a plan they aren’t sharing, it’s clear they aren’t being open with Ontarians. Maybe they should sort out their internal problems and figure out what they stand for FIRST; then maybe their MPPs can focus on content rather than just volume.

James Borer – Lunenberg Ontario

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Joe Gunn
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Speaking of Mike Harris – where the hell is he when you need him?

Eric
Guest
Mr Hudak is not doing anything different than Mr Ignatief or Mr Layton in trying to get some recognition out there. Of course, a difference is provincially we know voting day is this year as opposed to wondering, federally. No party is going to come up detailed plans with over 7 months to go. The ideas could be harped on consistently in hopes of dicrediting or even “borrowing” the idea to make it their own. Mr McGuinty harped on endlessly last election about funding for faith based schools, but here he is allowing schools for poor, Black and Inuit in… Read more »
Eric
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so having not the specifcs is probably good planning
Should read
so not having the specifcs is probably good planning

Furtz
Member

If Hudak has half a brain, and I think he does, he’ll send Harris off to Lower Slobovia until the election is over.

Grimalot
Guest
” This is the same sort of stance they have taken on the HST; they were all for it until the McGuinty government implemented it, and now say they’re against it, but won’t promise to cut it. To distract the public from these inconsistencies, Hudak has suddenly made lowering the price of beer one his priorities.” Actually, Hudak also said on record he cannot promise anything about lowering the cost of beer to a buck a beer, he said he would “consider” it… The guy is wishy washy, plain and simple.. I keep saying this, if Hudak gets in, we’ll… Read more »
Grimalot
Guest

Jamie, protest vote, and no vote, are completely different. You have seen me yourself say many times on this site and others, that if you do not vote, you have NO SAY!

By protest vote, I mean vote any other party other than the cons or the libs in this case.. vote green, vote rhino if they show up, vote whatever, just don’t vote con or lib.. both of them are playing games and its time to send the major parties a major message that we aren’t going to deal with it anymore!

Eric
Guest

Grimalot, the items list for taxation and the rate charged are in a signed document our McGuinty Government signed. Changes would mean giving back the 4. 3 billion dollar transition cheque so that is not wishy washy.

Mr. Hudak has said their are other areas to reduce in, and most everything will be looked at, so don’t protest vote, just vote and give a new government a chance. It is not like they can take any more money from us!

Eric
Guest

Grimalot, please do not encourage people to vote for parties that may not be ready to govern. Bob Rae admitted that his NDP government was not ready when thrust into the job, and that did not turn out all that well.

willie191
Guest

Joe, Mike Harris is an adviser with David Peterson’s Law firm on Bay Street in Toronto.. Harris was also instrumental with the Rob Ford campaign to have him elected as Mayor of Toronto. Although Mike Harris works behind the scene’s, he is well on his way to help make Toronto a colder uncaring city than it already is. David Peterson is also an adviser to Dalton McGuinty and a close family friend of the McGuinty’s. Conservative and Liberals are one of the same.

willie191
Guest

Bob Rae is, and always will be a Liberal in NDP clothing

Grimalot
Guest
Eric, I have sent many messages to Hudak, with never a reply. I don’t care what McGuinty did or does at this point, someone needs to take a stand to score points with me. As well, forget not that its Flaherty (federal conservative frothing at the mouth) that dangled the carrot in front of McGuinty to apply the HST in exchange for the 4.3 billion we received. Hudak is just a wolf in sheeps clothing as Bob Rae with a Liberal in NDP clothing. Again, as he said about lowering the cost of beer, he can’t even make a solid… Read more »
John Milnes
Member
Grimalot. Trying to communicate with government can be an act of futility, particularly our current federal government. My wife and I wrote to the PM many months ago with regard to the way the feds hung the Nortel workers out to dry. Clement has said the government would be coming up with a program for the disabled from Nortel – the wait gets longer than the amount of money spent on Clement’s riding by Harper & Co. during the G8/G20 fiasco. Our own MP does nothing, comes up with no ideas, he just seeks to get his photo in the… Read more »
Grimalot
Guest

Don’t I know it.. and all we get is lip service in any case from our MP.. I know of someone that even tried to call him, that went no where as well.. I don’t expect anything better with Hudak, and I think that some major changes need to happen in all levels of our government.. quickly the citizen is getting less and less protected with these morons we have in office..

John Milnes
Member
I totally agree with James. How stupid can you get if you try to take away any element of a sound health program? What will you replace it with? Has the replacement plan a proven record of success? These are the questions I would need Tim Who-dun-it to answer. Sadly, to date, Who-dun-it doesn’t appear to understand anything unless it is in a bottle [beer that is]. A recent international study poll placed Ontario as the best health plan in Canada and fourth in the world so why would you want to destroy it? Only a Conservative would consider such… Read more »
Cornwall Harry
Member

Mike Harris is still the ONLY politician who did what he said he was going to do if elected! The other colours of the rainbow parties have never lived up to their promises. We’ll never forget Bob Rae here in Ontario.

Furtz
Member

I don’t recall Harris saying that he’d have Dudley George killed, force thousands of people to live on the streets, fire half the water and food inspectors, sell off public assets (Hwy 407 etc) at fire-sale prices, force amalgamation on municipalities, download social program costs on municipalities, create a crisis in out education system, give professional sports organizations huge tax breaks, close hospitals and fire thousands of nurses, and on and on.

Standup
Member

Actually Furtz, he DID say that he would create a crisis in our education system. (or at least his minister of education did on camera)
Mission accomplished on that one Mike.

Bravegirl
Guest
Anyone who votes for the McGuintey Gov’t in this year’s election, really needs to give their head a shake…regardless if you’re a long-time liberal, how can you vote for this man & the scandals caused within his gov’t (OLG, E-Health, and the billions of $ wasted in hiring useless consultants, etc.)…lest we forget this mindless spending on our dime! Oh, and don’t get me started on the LHIN’s and that useless level of Gov’t with an appointment of A. Munster as the CEO? OMG, Pewee Herman would be a better candidate-and, by the way, this liberal appointment will end within… Read more »
John E. Milnes
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Mike Harris truly did what he said he would, Pity he did not have the intelligence to see the damage his plan would create. No one is perfect but some are more perfect than others. Mike Harris has to come second to Dalton McGuinty even though they were driving in different directions. Mike Harris was a typical Conservative, take away from the poor and give it to the rich. Sorry, but I really think he should have stuck to golf, he could have played Joe Gunn and Standup all day – that would have been more productive. Because of Mike… Read more »
John E. Milnes
Guest

Brave Girl. Do you apply the same criteria to our federal government?

Eric
Guest
On the HST, McGuinty did not have a gun to his head to sign into law the items that would be taxable. Early on he said it would be tax nutral, that did not happen for the consumer. He took the federal incentive because he did not make the hard choices that Mike Harris did! All those programs listed by Grimalot on Feb 11 need to be addressed. The vast majority of government workers are pricing themselves out of jobs and taxpayers have no more money. Sure government workers pay tax, buy homes, cars and food locally, but the whole… Read more »
Eric
Guest

Mr Mines, why would the average citizen need to attend ALL school board meetings? And why should taxpayers pay for their travel?
The Upper Canada Board like many are very large geographically, do not post minutes on a website?

Most people could care less what is going on UNTILL it effects their daily life, gas prices, waiting times and excessive taxation to pay for so many programs for example.

John Milnes
Member

I surely would like to debate the LHINs and our provincial health plan with the not-so ‘Brave Girl’. On another side of her tirade against Dalton McGuinty she forgot there is a positive side to any story. How about being a ‘good girl’ and look at the positive side of the coin, – for just a moment. Better yet ask Eric and Joe to list all the positive things the Liberal government has done of our province.

Bravegirl
Guest
Now, now, Mr. Milnes, a Liberal will always be a Liberal, won’t he…perhaps Mr. McGuimpey (oops, I mean McSteeler, oops, I mean McGimpey, geeze…) and his high-paid Liberal consultants should begin by at least looking at their policies on infection control and Hospital aquired infections within our Ont. Hospitals ~ an 80-page bureaucratic document in which our Hospitals must abide to, costing billions of dollars with simple things such as masking, gloving, gowning & hiring more house-keeping staff on an ongoing basis…oh, and staff must mask, gown & glove, (even if taking a box of tissues in the room) from… Read more »
John Milnes
Member
Eric. I never said everyone should attend all schoolboard meetings. I only lamented that I was denied the chance because of a Mike Harris strategy. I have always lived with my responsibilities and attended such meetings so that I had the right to comment because one can only comment on that which they have first hand knowledge of. Ask Joe, he will confirm my involvement in attending meeetings when they were held in Cornwall. It is not the same getting something secondhand via the Web I like to hear it myself and will take the time to do just that.… Read more »
Bravegirl
Guest

Oh, and Mr. Milnes, perhaps you may want to think about the opportunity of taking over Mr. Michael Waddell’s position as CAO of the United Counties of S. D. & G….he’ll be retiring at the end of March, ‘seemingly’ yet another ‘Liberal-appointed position’…and, and yet, another bureaucratic, useless level of Gov’t…would love to debate any matter with you, but, no point – your sky will always be red, maybe orange at times, but hey, that’s okay…enjoy the provincial election results in October & until then, here’s to a «Buck-A-Beer» Cheers…

John Milnes
Member

Thanks James for this dialogue. Thanks also to everyone else who contributed to the discourse you were super. Isn’t it wonderful to be in a democracy. John

Standup
Member

You are welcome John. PS: Whatever did I do to you that you would put me in a golf game with Mike Harris and Joe Gunn?

Grimalot
Guest

Bravegirl said “enjoy the provincial election results in October & until then, here’s to a «Buck-A-Beer» Cheers…”

Sorry, Hudak cannot even promise that… For that matter, what did Hudak promise anyways that would make you support him Bravegirl? Fight the HST? How? Buck a beer? No promises though.. Do something? But what? So far all I hear is hot air and no action or promises.. Ill wait until he can at least come out with some sort of solid platform that he can work with..

Bravegirl
Guest

Well, then, Mr. Grimalot, sounds-like you have a pretty big chip on your shoulder – you should run for office and see where you get. ~ Enjoy 🙂

Grimalot
Guest
I don’t intend on running for office, but your comment doesn’t shed any more light on any of Hudak’s “non-promises”.. what, would you prefer someone that doesn’t promise anything or have any solid platform to run with running in office? Is that the whole, well if you have no expectations then you cannot be disappointed attitude going on there? In the meantime, indeed I have a huge chip on my shoulder when it comes to the different levels of conservative governments running in this country. Harper is just as bad with the lies as McGuinty is. Fixed elections? what’s that?… Read more »
Joe Gunn
Guest

Hey Standup ~
I think you would enjoy 18 with Mike and me – let me know and we can attempt a shot at it!
Enjoy our world!
Joe (Gunn)

Standup
Member

Thanks for the gracious offer Joe. Maybe when the weather is better we can work on that but I don’t think we’ll be able to get Mike out.

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