Letter to the Editor – John Milnes of South Stormont Ontario Not Happy with Tammy Hart’s French Language Sign Stance – August 26, 2011

Letter to the Editor – John Milnes of South Stormont Ontario Not Happy with Tammy Hart’s French Language Sign Stance – August 26, 2011
Dear Sir:
So, Tammy Hart, Deputy Mayor, is, indeed, vying with William Shakespeare with her own local version of “Much Ado About Nothing”. She has reached the bottom level of pettiness when she complains about French being the first language on the new signs at the entrances to the Parkway.  The Deputy Mayor obviously has little knowledge of language correctness to complain about these signs. The signs are beautiful and very eye catching. There must be more important things for a Deputy Mayor to be doing – a little early to be campaigning for a different municipal position since the municipal elections are many, many months away.  If the Deputy Mayor has an interest in signs how about she lobbies for new signs to publicize the many historical attractions in South Stormont – a much neglected element in our municipal affairs, of which she is supposed to be a significant role player.
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John E. Milnes
South Stormont

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Nancy Olenic
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HI,

It’s a beautiful sign and, being in Ontario, English should be first. Is it not bad enough, insulting even, that English words would be placed in second position and in much smaller font if the sign were located in Quebec. This is Ontario and Francophones should be happy that French is on the sigh in the same size font. Enough of this patronizing Francophones. I am English and I want to see signs in English first or better yet, in English with French in small font! Fair is fair.

Dave In Kanata
Guest

The French in this province have no respect for the English majority.
It’s all about power and jobs.
As a former English Quebecer, I do have experience with this issue and why we left La Belle? Province.
Signage in this province should be English first and the French shoul be happy that they are not at half the size like Quebec.
There is an push by the Onatrio Liberals to marginalize the English majority in this province.
If you want proof of this, check out New Brunswick……..where a minority calls all the shots now.
Dave in Kanata

Asoka Weerasinghe
Guest

How right you are Tammy Hart. Who said that we are a bilingual province? To those who disagree with Tammy, let me tell you that we are not you know, and let’s have all our signage in English. Good for you Tammy, I agree and you and take a bow lady for having guts to take that stance being the Deputy Mayor. I certainly would have voted for you if I was a resident of Cornwall.

edward
Guest

Bilingualism has been and is a colossal waste of money, and contrary to law, the policy discriminates against people who are of every other culture, and the government is an active participant in it all. Tammy is right for sure, and if anyone supports the bilingual insanity, let them pay for it themselves.

Carol Webb
Guest
First of all-if the sign read as some of the anglophone people who complained want it to read it would state “Parkway Long Sault Chemin du”, would not that look and sound kind of stupid. I am bilingual as many, many people in the South Stormont Community are, and I really don’t see the problem with it. Neither do my children, and they are not bilingual. If Ms Hart has spent any time on the Parkway or at any of the area beaches she would know that many of our out of town visitors are from Quebec. Surely Ms. Hart… Read more »
Darcy Neal
Member

Did you notice who owns this sign? http://parks.on.ca/allabout.htm If you disagree with this sign, buy-out the owners and change the sign. Or join the Board of Commissioners and influence its decisions. Or better yet, vote for a political party that would shut down this Ontario Provincial Agency among other expensive agencies and reduce the cost of government on Ontario taxpayers. You do have options.

PJ Robertson
Member

Carol Webb nails it in her first sentence.

Spare me bean-counting little Canadians. Good grief, Canadian culture is immeasurably enriched by French savoir vivre. Learn French, for goodness sake, enjoy it and be proud that you made the effort; you will be a much richer person.

Kim Khoo
Member
Thank you, Tammy!! Unlike most politicians, you are not afraid to speak up for the majority of Canadians who are English-speakers. It is not a question of grammar, it’s a question of giving respect to the majority. The language battle is escalating because more English-speakers are finally realizing that unless and until they speak up, their rights as a linguistic group will be swamped. There is such a thing as “tyranny of the minority” and in Canada this was facilitated by the Liberal government, more than 40 years ago. In the attempt to force the preservation of a minority language,… Read more »
Furtz
Member

“Thank you Tammy!!”… for stirring up the shit pot of animosity between the Francophone and Anglophone people who live in, and visit the township. Your contribution to the harmony and good feelings between our neighbours should be applauded! Let’s keep this fight going until all the danged French people move back to Quebec, and stay there where they belong! Good for you Tammy! At last there is a Deputy Mayor with balls.
Let’s show them Frenchies a thing or two. You Rule!

Gary
Guest
To all the people who are supporting Tammy Hart and her ridiculous position on these signs, get a grip on things! It’s just a sign. This isn’t part of some elitist French Liberal master plan. If you think it is then you need a reality check. Those in Canada who have a problem with bilingualism better get with the program because like it or not we ARE a bilingual Country and no amount of pissing and moaning will change that. If seeing English and French on a sign can fill you with this much anger then a move out west… Read more »
Stan
Member

Makes you wonder why a farm girl feels so threatened by French-first on a sign…..

Stan
Member

Do all farm girls feels so threatened by French-first on a sign…..or is it just Tammy?

Stan
Member

Has anyone thought to ask the French-speaking citizenry what they think about the sign or have we just relegated them to second-class citizens who should obey what English-speaking citizens say?

PJ Robertson
Member

Careful, Furtz, how far you push your irony. Rednecks don’t do irony. They may take you literally and embrace you as one of their own.

Furtz
Member

I think some Rednecks have a sense of humour. Even Tammy.

Eric
Guest
The US is tolerant, the melting pot is much more effective in creating patriotism and ensuring common goals than multiculturism and perhaps even the way Quebec and our appeasment divides our country. Canada is not a bilingual country, one bilingual province does not a bilingual country make. This sign is a symptom of a greater issue much like wanting a 7up on Air Canada, demanding a bilingual police ticket in nowhere Alberta or the Languages Commisioner spending money on secret shoppers. Getting personal in your comments does not prove a point, 41 years of the Official Languages Act has not… Read more »
Jim Allan
Guest
This issue about signs in Ontario is not one of denying French, or refinements in language grammar, but, on the contrary, one of helping to restore equity in the face of injustices since Trudeau’s Official Languages Act of 1969. 1. There is no intent to exclude French where circumstances justify, only that English should be given preference where French is used. 2. French/Quebec-speaking Canadians, a minority, now dominate the federal government, underming Canadian democracy. 3. Ontario, an officially English-speaking province, does allow French in appropriate circumstances. 4. Quebec, next door, where even the Canadian flag in not flown, positively forbids… Read more »
Chris Miller
Guest
Kim Lian Khoo says it perfectly, and Eric sums it up. This is not a Bilingual country, we have an official Bilingual Government that does ensure even French be offered on any Governmental document or in any office, in any part of this country. But thats it. Quebec takes 10 steps further with their own language Police, and actually looks for English offenders. Not to mention many other insane laws that radically stop the use of English or education in Quebec.Unfortunately this has fueled a false acceptance to the fact that French must rule. French must be first, and French… Read more »
Jim Allan
Guest

There is no intent to exclude French where circumstances justify, only that English should be given preference where French is used.
Ontario, an officially English-speaking province, does allow French in appropriate circumstances.
Quebec positively forbids English signs, unless subservient to French.
It is just a matter of equity, respect, and a gesture towards trying to prevent further loss of democracy and justice in Canada, instead of submitting to more subversive inequity.

Furtz
Member
It’s almost amusing how some of the arguments here about the fear of Anglophones being wiped out by Francophones pretty much parallels the insane rantings of the preacher re the takeover of our society by homosexuals (sodomites) and godless Muslims and Catholics, and dope smokers etc. Do sane people actually believe that bilingual signs at tourist attractions are a threat to their way of life, and their very existence? Some people seem to think that because there are “repressive” sign laws in Quebec, we in Ontario should have equally “repressive” sign laws just to get even. Should all the French… Read more »
Kim Khoo
Member
Chris Miller and Jim Allan’s comments are intelligent comments that address the issue and it is a serious issue. The posters who just want to insult and call Tammy names are the cowards who have NO argument to make. If they are French-speakers, I can understand that. They’ve been allowed to grow their power over the 42 years of the OLA and want to ensure that their new-found power is preserved for their group. But the English-speakers who think that it’s OK for the French to be first and given a more prominent place – those are the pathetic ones… Read more »
Furtz
Member

Good call Jamie. Couldn’t help myself. Will try to behave for a while. 🙂

Furtz
Member
@ Kim Lian Khoo. Does anyone with a functioning brain give a rat’s a$$ about which side of a sign (left or right) a particular language appears? We have real problems like poverty, homelessness, hunger, sodomites and hydro bills to deal with. I suggest that you and Tammy get together and maybe form a group, as I suggested above. Getting the sign injustice dealt with first would be a great start. Once that’s done, yous could start working on renaming Long Sault, Mille Roche and Moulinette to McDonald’s Rapids, Thousand Rocks, and Riverview Heights. As Jack said many times, Always… Read more »
Furtz
Member

Just filling in for the preacher. What have you done with him, Jamie? I’m feeling a huge hole in my very being without his spiritual guidance. Maybe Tammy knows where he is.

Mike Bedard
Guest
I have been posting under the original article and would like to add to this conversation even though this is the same conversation! My father is francophone and I am bilingual! The sign is grammatically correct! I only speak french to my daughter because it will be easier for her to learn english as she grows older! She will attend a french school when she is old enough and will recognize the french signs more clearly then the english signs until she gets a bit older! There is nothing wrong with having bilingual signs unless you are close-minded to the… Read more »
flipper
Guest

Could a more petty sense of priorities be demonstrated, than responding so prolifically (pro or con) to such a non-issue?

Perhaps “Give us your DNA” isn’t a joke after all.

Nancy Olenic
Guest
Admin, I am confused, but not surprised, that you brought anti-American sentiment into this very Canadian issue. Last time I listened, American” was English and America is one big family, so your comment has no bearing in this discussion. But, since you brought it up, I have divided my time living in both countries over the past 17 years. Americans speak English and are extremely tolerant, welcoming, and generous. Like any country there are a few outspoken groups, but please do not judge a country by a few people. My husband and I have had much better employment opportunites in… Read more »
Furtz
Member

You nailed it, Mike. Now, keep your head down, be white, and speak English.

Chris Miller
Guest
You can see how quickly Anglo concerns turn to ANTI-FRENCH being labeled upon us. People leaving our country to simply work their skills in English (Nancy) the mass exodus from Quebec simply because the rights of English Canadians were trampled on….All OK in this country…Yes Quebec is still a part of Canada, and yet these laws and rules are allowed to exist and be enforced. But let a forum such as this be given some light..and Bam…. we are now Anti French. Mike, most of us have lived and felt the pressures of the Social Laws in Quebec, where English… Read more »
Tammy A. Hart
Member

Thanks Chris.

Eric
Guest

To be pro English does not mean anti French! As we see above there are documents stating the province’s predominate language should be listed first, there is nothing wrong or evil in keeping check of our government levels.In fact, is it not our responsibilty?

The Watcher
Member
Everyone here seems to dislike Quebec’s language laws, because they are discriminatory and a long way from democracy. I dislike them to the extent that if I need to buy something, and it is made in Quebec, I will look for a product made elsewhere. But what is wrong with the sign? Nothing. It says what it needs to say, it is grammatically OK, and it looks quite nice. But people have to nitpick and bitch because it includes French? Get a life! Do you really want to descend into the same pile of manure the Quebec Government calls home?… Read more »
Furtz
Member
I agree Watcher. Why should we in Ontario be bigoted jerks just because Quebec has repressive sign laws? I’d say that life must be pretty damned good if all it takes is which language appears on the left or right on a tourist sign is enough to get one’s shorts in a knot. If The Official Languages Act (1969) is really offensive, or is causing problems for people, they should lobby their MP, and support whichever federal party promises to abolish it. We have a provincial election coming up soon, so it would be a good time for those with… Read more »
Eric
Guest
The Watcher, Ontario spends more money than what is needed for the few who really need French services. We have gone beyond a few people being available to asist when needed. Laws start out with the best of intentions and it spirals out of control because entire departments are created and they have to improve their numbers / efficiency to meet some made up matrix. This just balloons costs to another strata. The Ottawa hospital will now only hire bilingual and had to expand the hospital to accomodate people from Quebec. Why do Ontario taxpayers have to pay an additional… Read more »
cortez1
Member

admin said “WE ARE ONE BIG FAMILY” Thats why they always want to seperate . Wake up people. Reveiller!!!!!!!! Notice english first . Am I the only person that remembers 1980 and 1995 ? I should have encouraged yes . Tammy Hart is my Rosa of the parks and we are not moving to the back of the bus .

smee
Member

With the money we spend on French we should force the hand of Quebec to provide signage in English.

Aren’t the current language pracitces in the Province of Quebec bordering on the descriminatory?

Colleen McIntosh
Guest
The issue of respecting the majority of citizens of Canada and the Province of Ontario is that we are overwhelmingly English, outside of Quebec. To pull stat’s that include French speakers from Quebec is a red herring issue…they are not residents of Ontario, it’s that simple. Approx. 4% of Ontario is French speakers (2% bilingual and 2% unilingually French)…that translates into a vast majority (96%) of Ontario that is English. Considering the Liberal Governments ploy to artificially increase the number of French in Ontario by (census) designating that all persons, if they can speak, read or write ANY French are… Read more »
Nancy Olenic
Guest
Well said, Colleen. I might add one or two words to your statement, “Canada is not bilingual [yet], it has two [some day it might be three or four…] official languages.” The world, including Canada, is constantly evolving and changing. The percentage of french speakers is getting smaller compared to the number of people speaking English and other languages. Canadian demographics are changing. We all know that that Quebec, Ontario, and the federal governments continue endorsing french and, if left unchecked, Canada will become bilingual even where numbers clearly do not warrant it – it’s already happened in some places.… Read more »
Colleen McIntosh
Guest
Thanks for your keen observations and support, Nancy. Would actually take your excellent suggestions much further…why not have 24/7 toll free numbers available for a large number of languages. According to government stat’s the top languages (in order of significance) in Canada are: English, Mandarin/Cantonese, Spanish, Italian and etc (not sure of the rest of the list’s order for German, Arabic, etc., but French is tenth on the list). Why not service most of the citizens of Canada and not just one linguistic minority. This would be the most cost effective and efficient means to service Canadians. Imagine the possibilities,… Read more »
Furtz
Member

All you francophobes should demand that Hudak tell you what he is prepared to do, besides not speaking French, to put an end to this scourge.

Martin Lachance
Guest

This sign should be removed as well as all other signs with French names or French words! So let’s change the name of exit 776 from Moulinette to Hart (to honour our wonderful deputy mayor). Let’s change Ouellet street to something else because Ouellet definetely sounds French. Millesroches street should be renamed. I propose Thousandstones. Ho, and what about French street? Any ideas? With 96% of the people in Ontario speaking English, we should really worry that French will take over English eventually. Thanks God we have Tammy for bringing really important issues like this to our attention.

Eric
Guest

Martin Lachance, 97% of workplaces in Ontario operate using mostly English. Census 2006. This sign like about 5 others within the St Lawrence parks group are wrong. The predominate language of the province, in this case English, should be first on the sign. The federal government offers advice on the subject for anyone that wants to look it up.

The top should say PARKS OF THE ST. LAWRENCE upper left, and LES PARC DU SAINT – LAURENT upper right.
Read some of the letters on this media, then offer your own version of events so we can have a discussion.

Eric
Guest

Martin, here is 8 minutes of signs in New Brunswick, and they have over 70% English mainly spoken in the workplace. Like many, I have grown up with strong Francophone heritage members, they are not the ones pushing needlessly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTuYYacVPqg&feature=share&mid=5444&noredirect=1

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