Letter to the Editor – Harry Valentine of Cornwall Ontario – City Beach Redux Part 2 – August 2, 2012

Letter to the Editor – Harry Valentine of Cornwall Ontario – City Beach Redux Part 2 – August 2, 2012
Since the discussion about a possible beach along Cornwall’s waterfront began, numerous people have aired their veiwpoints that support and oppose a beach along Cornwall’s waterfront. The combination of a new boat ramp at the little inlet behind the RCAF building and the waterfowl situation may discourage the development of a beach at the little inlet. There are other possibilities for a beach location and citisens will ultimately have to voice their sentiments to either support or reject an alternate beach proposal.
Some citizens have suggested a possible swim area at the inlet along the east side of St Lawrence College. It is possible to use a sumerged water pipe to divert a small volume of water current from the St Lawrence River to continually exchange water in the little inlet. Given the close proximity of the inlet to St Lawrence College, perhaps the question needs to be asked as to whether the college athletics department would have any interest in managing an outdoor swim area located right next to the college.
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With regard to building breakwaters along the North Channel of the St Lawrence River, a representative from the Environmental Department of the Mohawk Council of Akwesasne has requested that the river flow characteristics remain unchanged. So a beach located downstream of a breakwater would not be an option.
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Cornwall could examine a beach precedent in the southern area of Ottawa, at Mooney’s Bay on the Rideau River/Canal that was originally developed by Colonel John By. Parks Canada manages major sections of the Rideau Canal and River. The beach at Mooney’s Bay in Ottawa is right next to a navigation passage. We have a canal at Cornwall that is subject to management by the Federal Government. Every summer, groups of teenagers dive into the west section of the Cornwall Canal and swim there. Despite the absence of lifeguards, the teenagers who swim in and dive into the old canal have a good water safety record.
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The canal is no longer navigable and water flow rate has been reduced just enough to sustain the brook and fish spawning area at the EcoPark near the RCAF building. Originally built to a depth of 9-feet, it was deepened to between 14 and 16-feet to transit larger vessels. Federal authorities willing, there may be scope to reduce water depth along a designated section of the Cornwall Canal, and convert it into an outdoor summer recreation area. The water current is gentle and the water quality may be sightly cleaner in terms of bacteria count, than the water at the beaches at Long Sault.
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The excess choloform bacteria in the river may originally have originated from the Bird Sanctuary located west of Ingleside. The river current flows from the bird sanctuary to the beach at Ingleside, then to the beaches at Long Sault. When the current moves into Lake St Lawrence, the UVA solar spectrum shines on the river water and may actually kill off a percentage of that bacteria. Many water filtration plants also use UVA radiation of kill water-borne bacteria prior to the water being distributed to the population.
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It may be technically possible to install UV technology in the the pipe through which water flows from Lake St Lawrence into the Cornwall Canal. to kill off bacteria. During summer, this would result in water in the Cornwall Canal actually being a little cleaner that the beach water at Long Sault and Ingleside. When the health authorities close the beaches at Ingleside and Long Sault due to high bacteria count, the water in the Cornwall Canal may actually have a low enough bacteria count to allow for swimming.
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There will have to be further discussion in regard to developing a possible beach along a section of the old Cornwall Canal, where water depth has been reduced.
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Ed
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Great picture!

Gerry Flaherty
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I thank Mr. Valentine for the wisdom expressed in his letter. This The idea of a beach/swimming area in Lamoureux Park interests me too, but it is not in the Waterfront Plan 2007 approved by city council and the public. The major project in this document is the redevelopment of the high city park with great views located just east of the marina. The plan is to make it user friendly like Blockhouse Island in Brockville, so even on a sunny January day people can drive up onto the site. They will be able to stay in their cars and… Read more »
Half in the Bag
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Who was driving the school bus? Jamie?

Ed
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Please tell us that Fitz wasn’t trying to park the bus.

Believe Me
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Gerry Flaherty Your right and your wrong on our Public Park the 2011 W/F Com should have had a public meeting on that issue a year and a half ago, and yes Pointe Maligne (Look OUT Park) still remains an outstanding issue. It seems this group didn’t grasp what previous W/F Com. had envisioned to up grade our beautiful park. It appears this group in there rush to build a Condo Project pushed for (in error) parking lot east of Civic Center for a starter. Perhaps if that was successful Pointe maligne would be next on the radar screen. This… Read more »
Mike Bedard
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A beach is a great idea. Location and implementation just need to be ironed out but this idea is feasible and would only contribute to our waterfront!

Kudos to you Mr. Valentine for stepping up! We should encourage ideas and discuss them more often! This is how we will start to grow!

Yes we can! Not No we can’t because…………too easy to say no!

Thank You,
Mike Bedard

jules
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I would like the people of Cornwall to see Mooney’s Bay and we go near there every day and so very beautiful indeed. I personally am not a beach person but I am one who loves to sit under a tree in the shade. I do like this idea for children especially and for adults who like that kind of thing and I would welcome it except that you are putting this in the wrong place. I remember way back as a child the old St. Lawrence Park where there are those cottages east of St. Lawrence College. I remember… Read more »
Dukers1
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I well agree with the ‘keep the parks beautiful. No question there, yet does that mean no change can ensue as long it enhances and compliments that beauty? A few reference Moodies Bay. Do you recall how beautiful it was before it’s creation? Change is never easy yet if one has a unified vision to the good of the community, change can happen. I still hold to the view that the ‘Inlet Beach’ idea is central to the enhancement of Lamoureaux Park, cental to the prim-most reason for a park. Ideas expressed here and elswhere avoid this ,central, focus. Some… Read more »
Believe ME
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The make up of the W/F Com’s prior to 2011 having a cross section of our taxpayers seriously considered what they thought to be in the best interest of our ratepayers.They certainly weren’t what is now refered to as the CONDO W/F COM. That group have displayed complete disregard for our Water Front Plan.They are a group stuck on themselves with thoughts only to look after their own Business interests or that of there friends. To bad but thats the way I see it.Credit must be given to Don Debank (a straight shooter)who brought forth the idea of expanded parking… Read more »
Eric
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Dukers1
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Geese perhaps are part of the shutting down of beachs, but not here because we have not had any kind of a officially sanctioned Cornwall beach since pre 1970’s or even befor pre Seaway/ Saunders Damn project in the 1950’s. As far as the W/F Committee’s recent condo motives, I see that as past mistakes and now we move on, by the people (incl. W/F Com.) for the good of all the people. I do NOT ascribe personally to alternate mediocre swimming ‘holes’ other than the ‘Inlet Beach’ Project idea. GO BIG OR GO HOME, anything ‘out of the way’… Read more »
jules
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Mr. Don Deebank is a very nice gentleman and we hired his company years ago to move us from Ottawa to Cornwall. He personally came to our apartment to take an estimate on how much stuff we had to haul back. His men and his daughter were great and we never forgot the very good service rendered to us. I would like to see a nice improvement in Lamoureux Park and it is good to have those little kiosques for snacks. We have that at one of the parks where we go on a daily basis but only in the… Read more »
Believe Me
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Dukers1 Unable to get on board as you suggest as I believe you to be all wet on this one.By the way previous W/F Coms talked about a beach. Suggest you do as you offered to others take your idea and go home, and I’am not shouting at you. This plan will never come about.

jules
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You are right Duckers1 the more I thought about it the more sense it sounds to have the beach at Lamoureux Park. Yes the old St. Lawrence Park would be a bit out of the way. Someone posted the map where Mooneys Bay is and I also saw where I live here in Ottawa. We go out to the Mooneys Bay area every day but we have another park where we go and walk and it is owned by the NCC and very clean and beautiful. The park where we go is right near Mooney’s Bay. It is far enough… Read more »
Dukers1
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Believe Me, I respect your right to hold a position. All wet is what we 4200.0want to be, with the best proposal possible. ONE of the key ingredients to the Inlet Beach idea was that we already have in place three parking lots with ease of access with short walks that would be all that is needed initially. As use improves over time so would parking considerations. Each thought and step suggested would evolve over time as needs would require. Changing locations are also a part of the equation as are washrooms, lifeguards and regular beach and fauna maintenance. Combined… Read more »
Dukers1
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Jules added that this idea appears sound to her. As for a snack shake, we do have one by the splash pond. I’m not sure of the contract restraints however, a moble unit as in use for many construction sites may also desire to come to the beach area as well.
Thank you.
Dave Windsor
Cornwall.

jules
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There are geese in the Mooneys Bay area here in Ottawa and we rarely have them in the NCC park where we walk. There are people who do rafting and small boating in that area of Mooneys Bay and the geese are generally around the small boats. We see the odd malards as well nearby. Every now and then Mooneys Bay gets closed because of e-coli and so do other beaches. This is good for families and a good idea to put through. Lamoureux Park is a lovely place to go and when we are in Cornwall we go there.… Read more »
willie191
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Harry Valentine for councilor, I like his can do mind set

Believe Me
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Dukers1 It appears you have put a great deal of thought to this inlet beach project. Your comments refer to 3 parking lots already in place that your group can just take over for beach parking how nice of your group. I would suggest to you that idea won’t sit very well with those persons who need and use those parking spots already. I was at the Wing recently and 30 geese came up that inlet and then up the bank they went to feed on the grass how would you propose to solve that problem? Still believe this project… Read more »
willie191
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Believe Me, Did you read all of Dukers1 letter, Remove the grass, turn it to sand, the geese will eat grass at another location up stream. The area in question is a very short walk from the complex. The parking lot is vacant most days. Keep the ideas coming folks. Some people just can’t see past their nose.

jules
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There are plenty of geese here in Ottawa but the small places like Cornwall bears the brunt of it all. If I were in the city of Cornwall as a mayor or above I would enquire to Ottawa how to control the geese population. These birds are an infestation everywhere. I had a good laugh one time when someone posted a picture down in the state of Georgia when they had a bad neighbor and in that yard of that neighbor was a gaggle of geese to add to the problem. Something has to be done that is for sure.… Read more »
Believe Me
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willie 191 Perhaps I do have a long nose but I’am still able to see clearly that which some of you out there are reluctant to see or understand. It isn’t just the Geese that are ruining our Beautiful park It’s inconsiderate dog owners who refuse to pick up that which their dogs leave behind. It seems to me your group aren’t at all respectful of the RCAF wing as they recently installed dock facilities at the very spot in question . The big boat dock & ramp are without question the very best in this area & if it’s… Read more »
jules
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“Believe Me” even here in Ottawa at the NCC park just next to Mooney’s Bay people are inconsiderate but not all. There are very hefty fines for people who do not pick up after their pets. Everything is posted. They even have posted “no electric or powered scooters or powered bikes” and I did see a few at first but after didn’t see anymore. During the winter months is when you see dog droppings the most. There is a company here that looks after those parks along with the government buildings and none of the employees are unionized. They make… Read more »
willie191
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Believe Me, I respect and understand your POV, Addressing the dog issue does pose a problem. However, it is a problem that can be solved by park attendants, be it a volunteer or paid position. The boat ramp, if necessary, could also be re-located. However, further study would be required. The RCAF Wing has been a topic in our local media due to lack of members/customers. With a beach in their back yard, this will increase their sustainability to prosper. Note: I am not a member of this Waterfront Committee or any other committee. Only politically connected people are appointed… Read more »
jules
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There is one more thing that I wanted to add. Someone here said about the parking lot not being used half of the time. We were in that parking lot on Thursday and not many cars there. The complex itself was completely empty. That complex brings good memories where I used to go and watch hockey games when my children were teenagers and now they are adults. The complex is a great place to go and it should be utilized by the public. The complex is situated in the right place and has a swimming pool attached. Here in Ottawa… Read more »
Believe Me
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jules Gosh really sorry your on to unions now do agree however that city union employees ( some of ) don’t know the meaning of work let alone do do much of it .Union talk for another day perhaps. Moving the excellent facility ( boat ramp & dock ) just to look after a parking solution for a proposed beach is insane. Please have a good weekend or whats left of it.

Simon
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An earlier suggestion for paving over perfectly good parkland went like this; “people can drive up onto the site. They will be able to stay in their cars and enjoy a coffee and the river view” Frankly a lot of suggestions are in the same vein. Wouldn’t it be better to just hold on to what is already free to be walked on and enjoyed, and or revitalize the areas that are in need of rehabilitation from their industrial days? Because if one looks at a Google map of Cornwall there is a huge green swath of green along our… Read more »
Believe Me
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If the old Domtar site is in fact going to be home for CBS as Simon is suggesting I believe that would be great news for Corn. Your other point appears to be about POINTE MALIGNE on that I’ll get back to later.

Simon
Guest

Correction: 15 acres not 50 acres

Dukers1
Guest
A lot of input has come our way both positive and welcomed opportunities for addressing concerns. Believe Me, I can understand your concerns. The RCAF Wing is a hoghly respected and involved group in our Community. Witness their fortunate location a hihe end high focus position within Lamoureaux Park. The boat ramp and the parking as well of course their recent inlet docking are proof positive of all of who they are and who they represent. They represent the good citizens of Cornwall. Though I have not yet read their Mission Statement believe me it is to show and tell… Read more »
Dukers1
Guest

All my thank yous overlooked ‘Admin.’ Without this site we would have been at a lose. Thank you too Fitz and Jamie.
Cornwall Free News (CFL) is definitely proving an extremely valuable site for citizens input.

Believe Me
Guest
Simon Pointe Maligne ( that beautiful property east of the Marina & south of Bergeron dr.) . It was never an intention to pave over this property the idea was to make a proper roadway up to that site which would up grade that park & make it more user friendly similar to the Block Island Park in Brockville. Many points of historic importance have occured there. Sir john johnson’s survey party arrived there in1784 to map out the town site. Dr.Darby Bergin was on that site attending to those persons with Cholera as was Roderick Macdonald together they cured… Read more »
Simon
Guest

Putting that piece of parkland back into a state that more closely resembles the time and events being memorialized would be a most honourable endeavour.

Paving up to, or into a site like our waterfront is quite unnecessary.

And please no more paving over parkland and calling it a parking opportunity. That is a despicable spin on destroying our greenspace …shame on you K.

Believe Me
Guest
Simon A good part of the thought re Pointe Maligne ( a road way up & parking etc ) was because we have an aging population & they wouldn’t be able to enjoy otherwise. A good deal of roadway allowance could & should be compensated by using material to widen the park. It should be noted that 30 thousand dollars has been spent so far on this park up grade plan that was stopped cold by 2011 W/F com. This plan was to go next to a meeting for public input only. That didn’t happen & W/F Com Wanted to… Read more »
Dukers1
Guest

Pointe Maligne is a worthwhile concern too. It would probably be better served if you develop it with in its own separate letter to the editor. I would be happy to include input at that point (pun intended) but we must stay on topic with the beach issues here as not to maligne those interested in the Inlet Beach.
Perhaps it is time for Admin to pull this block inout to this cause for now as well.

bigfellow
Guest

To “Believe Me”, I do not understand the last part of your blog above, states a question as to why is this proposed plan being is being held up?
Am I in the understanding that you would like to see the condo being built there?
Have a nice day.

blake sewell
Guest

A beach at Lamoureux Park is very feasible
The area that is west of the boat launch could be changed into a beach instead of a wet land for water fowl
The area is fed by the Cornwall Canal (water from above the dam)
This would insure the safety of all users at this beach
Swimmers would not have worry about the currents of the river or overflows of sewage or debris coming from the hydro dam

jules
Guest
Educate me folks. Is Pointe Maligne the spot where the old police club was located and also where it is near the baseball grounds. I remember that property where the old police club was and that is a mighty beautiful piece of property. We felt sad when the club left. That is a prime piece of land indeed. I do not want any trees ripped out at all. Here in Ottawa they are planting trees all over town. Like I said before I am one who loves to sit under a tree on a bench but I also like to… Read more »
Dukers1
Guest
Jamie, please allow this spell corrected note to replace my former one….Thank you Sir: bigfellow, I am getting the feeling that Believe Me is out to malign the beach proposal as his concern about the Pointe Maligne bike path is sage old pre the current Waterfront committee and has nothing in common with the discussions of this particular blog. It would be nice to have him/her participate with the current Waterfront Committee or even a run for a council seat He does appear sure of his own directions. It would also be nice to see specific and appropriate thinking from… Read more »
jules
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I just read a piece of history that I never knew about Cornwall that “Believe Me” wrote. Yes I think that something must be done with Pointe Maligne in honor of that Dr. Bergin and the other man who did the survey. No wonder the street called Bergin Avenue. Thanks Believe Me for bringing that one forward. The Waterfront Committee can put their condos in areas where there are no parks. Parks are no place for a condo. Another thing is to build low rise condos like what Mr. Markell built on Water Street and that is the way to… Read more »
bigfellow
Guest

AUG 6 2012 of “Believe Me” blog of which I was referring to, “Dukers1”, I asked a question to “Believe Me”, so where is my answer from “Believe Me”?
My question was ” Am I in the understanding that you would like to see the condo being built there?
Have a nice day.

Believe Me
Guest
Big Fellow – No condo’s Pointe Maligne . Jules- Yes Pointe Maligne is the location where the Old Police Club once stood. Dukers- Not able to go with separate letter (I D). Not really trying to malign the Beach proposals only giving my thoughts regarding them. Further as Pointe Maligne remains an outstanding issue with W/F Com. & City council ( past two years ) I’d like to get them moving SAP. I see beach proposals as a diversion to that objective . RE JAMIE As a taxpayer I feel ashamed that mayor kilger & some councilors & through their… Read more »
Dukers1
Guest
Thank you ‘Believe Me’/bigfellow and jules. I will step asside for now with the Inlet Beach as we have exhausted most points. More follow up to come later. I do see unfinished business with Pointe Maligne or with respect, arrogance of oversight on the part of Mayor and or W.F. Comimttee. These two groups work well together for the most part and may simply be re educated abou what the ‘people’ not the corporations want to develope in/on these ‘public’ (our joint) park lands. On your behalf I give over to your need to express. Perhaps these two groups ,… Read more »
Believe Me
Guest
Daniel Bergin second gen. Roman Catholic Irishman area M/P (Conservative) for many yrs, a bachelor, very much involved in horse racing listed as being one of the top men in that field , as was his brother a local lawyer. Bergin Lake was so named to honor him as was a local street.The lake( Now underwater) was in Mille Roche across from Provincial Paper Mill there . Daniel Bergin was held in such high esteem that when he passed on in 1896 a funeral service for him took place at St.Columbans Church between 7 & 8 thousand persons either attended… Read more »
jules
Guest
“Believe me” I am not for moving the boat docks at all for a parking facility. There is plenty of excellent parking right where it is. The parking all over at the complex and the RCAF wing is empty a lot of the times. People who are in wheelchairs can just take out their chair and wheel towards the beach area. I would like to see trees planted as well – that is my thing and enjoy watching people swim and boats going by. Picnic spots are another idea. A lot of people stopped BBQuing here on their own even… Read more »
Dukers1
Guest
Limited to no interference with the boat docks is a must. The only one that may need revision either for a beach or for the turtles being poluted with the gas engines of boates using the inlet. Bad plan. If and that is a big if at this point folks as nothing is cast yet, if the Inlet Beach becomes the most encouraging option then the turtles would have to be moved to the Eco-Gardens pond. Absolutly no car parking will be allowed where the boaters place their trailers and trucks while fishing. That much is a no brainer unless… Read more »
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