When the highest court of the land refuses to hear the case of Howard Galganov and Jean-Serge Brisson who wish to advertise signs in the language of their choice, then you can hedge your bets that democracy is dead in our beloved Canada.
If courts in Canada at all levels refuse to grant to private businessmen the opportunity of expressing themselves as is supposedly guaranteed under Canada’s Charter of Right’s and Freedoms under Section 2b, then there is a problem, a very BIG problem. But I digress, it will be an even bigger problem if us, as taxpayers and concerned Canadian citizens, do nothing at all about these types of subjects.
What is even more bold and more concerning, is that currently in Russel Township there are agencies who are flatly ignoring the By-Law that seeks to have businesses advertise in both English and French. As CFN has already reported on this, I feel it would be a waste of time and print as to repeat the agencies in question and their reasoning behind the concept to ignore a By-Law that ALL businesses should abide by to begin with.
What have we got here? Well, we have a two tier system that allows certain organizations to post signs in the language of their choice and apparently all others left to follow the laws of the land.
This situation folks is not a democratic ideal. Two tier systems are the brainchilds and the results of totalitarian states that supposedly were left to the dustbin of history to quote Trotsky. This sort of nonsense was supposed to have been left behind during the last century. But like some grandiose, dark Pheonix, this concept of the caste system has been reborn in, of all places, ‘Our’ freedom loving Canada.
Galganov is correct in his assertion when he states that this isn’t about a language issue but that the issue of language is but a symptom of something larger. I would add that this something larger is but the concept that governments can dictate at their discretion what is best for its’ citizens. But do we not elect our governments? Or have they become our vanguard; willy-nilly deciding what is in our best interests? This most recent decision by the Canadian Supreme Court not to hear Galganov and Brisson’s case tells us that indeed the above has become the new norm.
No worry folks; you need not think for yourselves as Big Government will do all the thinking for you.
My newest Letter to the Editor is not set out to insult nor insinuate anything to anyone nor any group but should be viewed as a wake up call to those who love the concept of democracy. I am writing this today to help people understand what is occuring and the seemingly powerless affects of our courts to do anything about a subject so innocent as the freedom for business owners to advertise in the language(s) of their choice.
If our courts cannot do the right thing in such a simplistic issue then how are they to decide on other issues such as euthanasia?
Not only has my faith in all levels of the Canadian court system been impacted by all of this but also what defines our very concept of what we believe democracy to be.
When one group of people have access to the best jobs, political offices and are permitted to break laws (such as what is occuring in Russel today) then we simply no longer have a society that lives by the democratic ideal.
And what is even worse then the idea above, is that today we have language laws in both Ontario and Quebec that permit linguistic discrimination; both the artificial restricting of one and the propping up of another certain language to the negative effects of all others concerned.
Democracy is dead in Canada.
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It’s only that I don’t want to do someone else’s work; that’s all.
Ask Mr. Galganov, (and I know you mean no insult to me as well this time and appreciate you alluding to that) for the pamphlet.
He may send you a copy of it. I’m not sure.
Cory
@ Cory Cameron
For u and the like-minded fell that the bilingual class of Canadians is better (to use your words), I have two words for you:
@ Cory Cameron
If you and some like-minded feel they belong to a group that is lesser than bilingual canadians, Here’s two words that can solve your problem:“Rosetta Stone“
Pierre, the Census does list 1,222,760 people for the combined Ottawa Ontario and Gatineau Quebec region. 547,625 self identify as speaking Eng & Fr, 105,280 Fr only and 556,405 as English only.
There are fewer and fewer job ads for only French or only English in the federal government but not because their are more Francophones in the area.
Most government jobs do not really require Eng & Fr as employees are encouraged to work and be managed in the language of their choice. Seems like they lost sight of the customers, the one’s paying taxes to provide the government jobs.
stellabystarlight
December 10, 2012 at 1:30 pm
“Fight your own battles without trying to get an entire nation involved. Then if you win…….so what? ”
-If we win that means ALL will be treated as equal -wow Equality imagine that .
-We are all equal under god but not under the law! |Thank you charter of rights and its VIOLATIONS.
“The freedom fighters will never be happy until the french are wiped off the face of the earth…..and that my friends will never happen.”
-First of all that is HATE PROPAGANDA -you would have done Hitler well.
-second all of us would never to agree to have french “wiped off “as they are are friends and family.
OHh no doubt the G monitors this site,, he has at least 5 followers doing his every bidding Beth knows it too.. c`mon Beth show us where we went wrong with your anti french message anti bilingual rants..get your Boss to publish them openly and unedited.. corruption starts when you hide truths…don`tbe a part of the corruption you love to blame the french and bilingual people for until then don`t keep telling us what the message is.. show us the originals….we are grown ups wecan decide for ourselves. askme fo a donation but show the world what those pamphlets contain no hiding know can`t trust a gang that won`t come clean with their written word..something to hide..
Pierre
December 10, 2012 at 2:16 pm
stats Canada 2011- 20%-francophone
stats Canada 2011-17% -bilingual
“There are more Francophone in the federal public service about 60% ” —–actually 65%
So 20 % of the population get 300% more opportunities?
why is it not 20% federally as representation by population?
Because its discriminatory hiring PERIOD
I guess the 80% of Canadians are not educated as well …wait the government doesn’t consider merit only language since they predominately hire bilingual.
****So Pierre do you agree that language is more important then merit?****
4% of Ontarian’s are francophone yet Cornwall hospital is 50% bilingual ,Health unit is 100% bilingual ,CCAC is 80% bilingual ,9 french only clinics yet all government services already is bilingual Cornwall is 20% francophone.
French is the 10th most spoken language in Ontario yet government hiring to serve that 10th most spoken language is predominately french.
bella-b
December 10, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Besides even if we did find it for them, history shows they wouldn’t click the link.
Hahaha too funny they only read what is within their beliefs ,ignorant ,truly ignorant ,but hey they didn’t have a choice in their parental upbringing mom and dad shared the same gene sequence.
Oh Stella how is that fictional friend that lost her job to an English person ….man that died out quick ,but we were honest in offering our services to help your friend but we all learned later that this was just another of Stella lies ,but we good people were conned and really wanted to help -shame on you!.
Thinking if anyone is going to have a heart attack…it won’t be me for darn sure…..thinking the small c would be more prone.
c’est drole, it sure seems those phamphlets are hard to come by….I wonder why? Surely somebody from this group would have one to download…..I mean the unedited original in it’s entirety.
I am wondering….if there are fewer and fewer gov jobs that are listed for french only or english only will this nonsense stop? Actually CCH just hired a unilingual english person…will we still need to picket there?
Highlander…..say what you want, but don’t accuse anyone of spreading hate on that subject, you know d#mn well what was originally written on the famous pamphlet and so do many many others….don’t try to cover it up. **smile**
c’est drole…..the g doesn’t only monitor this site, he comes here, yep he sure does and he posts. As for his followers which are few, they play defense for him.
c`est drole
December 10, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Has anybody realized that drool has 6 different icon colors ,what how many accounts do you have ?
” c`mon Beth show us where we went wrong with your anti french message anti bilingual rants..”
-spreading hate propaganda yet again-see folks this is their only way to address us and you.
Drool or should I say aint -you have changed your name Jeanne Holden so many times that you continue to rant the same way ,whats in a name Jeanne -just saying what 4-5 times you have changed your icon(name) -same insulting ignorant individual .
stellabystarlight
December 10, 2012 at 3:52 pm
c’est drole, it sure seems those phamphlets are hard to come by….I wonder why?
-Hell I couldn’t keep them they were in demand ,what can I say very popular.
Actually CCH just hired a unilingual english person…
propaganda -who then who was the person ?
If you know this tell us who was the person ?
“Highlander…..say what you want,but don’t accuse anyone of spreading hate on that subject.”
Well like I said before you would have done well serving Hitler with all your hate propaganda ,you really are a peace of work
Highlander I will answer your personal attack.
Piper first of all, I really don’t care what you think…..tu comprends ou tu es trop niaiseux. Oh yes piper…I am so ashamed for lying…get a life…..LMAO. I have nothing to prove to you of all people.
Yes she was replaced by an english woman and was notified upon her return from vacation that she no longer had a job. And yes…..the woman who replaced my friend had to take french courses in the evening at the college. Don’t believe it……who the h#ll cares, I sure don’t. Why???? do you and your gang want to picket the place? The only problem with picketing, that employer holds somewhat of a high status in this city and are quite powerful and I certainly would feel awkward standing out in front picketing.
Funny how it goes….it takes someone who fabricates, exagerate and instigates himself to call someone else a liar….OMG
High you are so far out you can
High you are so wrong you refuse to admit defeat.. that`s ok you are wrong on most things especially accusations and veiled threats and insults.and people.. instability makes people do that wrong wrong wrong again. you are wrong on the nams and wrong about making threats.. if adin has any repsect for any bloggers falsely accused he better take care of it now ..b ecause friends don`t l deserve to be dragged through the mud innocently on the sidelines.. but that is your way of telling off Montreal radio listeners eh High it failed then too. and so will your hatred messages..
oh and I forgot…..I didn’t want my friend to get into trouble by me publicly saying how it was done and how she was treated when all this took place…..otherwise I would have gladly said her name and besides with all due respect, it wasn’t up to me to go public with her situation.
And yes…..she did seek legal council and guess what? No one in town would take the case and Ottawa wanted an arm and a leg.
Believe it or not……I really don’t care **smile**
Sure drool -Jeanne Holden I guess its time to change your name for the 6th time ,and why do you have 6 different monikers(colors)?
Stella you still did not answer the question if you said this ;what is your response to this link then?
“No one cares what language is on a business sign, but this group is trying to make it an issue.”
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/walmart-old-navy-and-others-taking-quebec-government-to-court-over-language-laws-1.1049032
Stella:
“Oh yes piper…I am so ashamed for lying…get a life…..LMAO. I have nothing to prove to you of all people.”
OMG IALMAOFD our little English Hater ,but I am sure you would not be hard pressed to find more the same ,when you live in Rome !
@c`est drole RE: December 10, 2012 at 8:46 am
— AS is so typical of your ilk. Harp and harp and whine incessantly. Let it go will ya. Shesh… If you are going to insist on yapping about ANY group inciting anti anything PLEASE take a moment to REALLY SEE that Quebec (yes that puny little province) is the ONLY one in this situation to have passed laws to eliminate another group and it is a well documented FACT that the French are trying to eliminate the English language in that “province.”
Further more, when harping at someone like you did at Eric below, “
“@Eric Russell township is made up of 4 different smaller villages, Embrun,Limoges,Russell and Marionville..the Language of mother tongue between French and English is almost 50/50 according to Stats and census reports of 2011… it is more likely that most French people endeavor to learn some english (reasonable) that some english endeavor to learn french ( does mean french is unequal) asap but the areas of Embrun and Limoge have a higher french as mother tongue.. It is branding itself as a bilingual area… No one small group has a right to interfere…”
Please remember these so called “little areas and small villages”
ARE WITHIN THE COUNTRY OF CANADA AND
Yes, and the COMMON LANGUAGE in this country is ENGLISH… Please TRY to get this solidified inside that small little area of yours right between your ears.
Thank you and uhmm have a nice day eh 🙂
Looks like i MAY have to cue those crickets Stella
c`est drole
December 10, 2012 at 4:50 pm
OMG ,IALMAOFD YOU really are aint -(Jeanne Holden )that last rant proved it ,get off the bottle your writing is getting worse,or is it the phantom arthritis .
Wow you can really rant ,perhaps you need to rest those fingers Jeanne Holden.
Whats in a name Jeanne -you only changed your moniker 5 times now but you still have 6 different colored monikers.
stellabystarlight
December 10, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Now stella- Julie lecompte
Sure Julie Lecompte sure,whatever …I have heard your many lies before , do you know the difference between your lies and reality?
@ Highlander & Eric
Eric When iI wrote the region of west Québec and East Ontario I had meant from Pembroke to Montreal.
Highlander I don’t know what page of Stat. Can. you’re on but I’m on a page, righ now, that says 22% of canadians were francopohone in 2011, down from 22.3% in 2006 and that 10 million canadians ca speak french… A very strong number, if you don’t mind m saying?
But let’s not argue about numbers, Ok?
Because, it’s the nature of Canda and fairness and federalism you need to understand better.
But, for that, you,and your ilk need to choose your teachers better .
I mean not Galgonov or Clf or your favorite cfra broadcaster or editor… They just want to sell you some words!
The judges at all levels, and the politicans at all levels too tell you that bilingualism is the fair and inclusive way to be. So be it! Others can learn a second language, so can you, if you have an IQ that’s highe than your shoe size?
s
Oh Yes, The Crickets!
Pierre
December 10, 2012 at 5:50 pm
that 10 million canadians ca speak french… A very strong number, if you don’t mind m saying?
Sure i can count my dog because he knows a few french words as well.
grade A- government french is far far less then that ,anyone who can say a few words are classified as french speaking ,but would never pass the a- government tests .
“The judges at all levels, and the politicans at all levels too tell you that bilingualism is the fair and inclusive way to be. So be it!”
No it is not fair -why 65% BILINGUAL IN THE GOVERNMENT?
that excludes the majority 80% .so there is nothing fair about this bilingualism policy.
if hiring was proportional yes that would be deemed fair but its grossly disproportional.
Even at yourself assessed not government tested A- 22% why hire 65% 300% more then the needed quota -those numbers do not lie .
“that 10 million canadians ca speak french… A very strong number, if you don’t mind m saying?”
-How about the 27 million english speakers an even stronger number if you don’t mind me saying?
We should post on the page where it talks about the downfall of the appeal. Cory is getting excited about the amount of hits on his page….it’s making him feel important **smile** Actually, when things die down some, he will definetely post on his own page again for months to come to bring his article to the forefront again…..he does this all the time **smile**
On December 10, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Eric wrote, “employees are encouraged to work and be managed in the language of their choice. “
Yes, isn’t it SAD… In a country where the “common language” is English.
AND
“Seems like they lost sight of the customers, the one’s paying taxes to provide the government jobs.”
— Customers? Do you mean the citizens of this country? The 80 percent plus Canadian English speaking citizens outside the pittance of a “province” called Quebec that has not grown up and become a country of its own yet. Are those the “customers” you are referring to?
Yes, they “the French” have indeed lost sight of the “customers” Opps, i mean the Canadian tax paying citizens who DO pay the majority of the taxes and DO provide these jobs for them.
Sad state of affairs …
stellabystarlight
December 10, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Go ahead Julie Lecompte write a letter to the editor ,you can justify that hiring everyone bilingual is a great thing except all the unilinguals will be on welfare or unemployment .
You can further your cause of the privileged class because they speak french,and further your demand that ALL must speak french across the country .
You could be the voice of the people (separatists) you know the murderers who are the foundation of the separatist the FLQ.
We will win Equality for ALL Stellapropaganda our numbers continue to grow ….but then again you only see the local issues …there are many across the land frustrated with FORCED BILINGUALISM -perhaps a referendum be in order to allow the people to make that choice -like a true democracy .
And how many pages do you have S!@#$a?
How many Letters to the Editors have you written, S&*()a?
Have you ever added anything of value to these blogs other than infuriating those that have something useful to say?
Perhaps (like I’ve suggested before) you should write your own Letter to the Editor?
Though I’m not too sure you have any original ideas of your own.
I see that the only thing your’re able to add to any blog is only after someone has posted something of their own to which you add your very scathing, very one-sided, very hateful ethnocentrism.
Shhhhhhhh,
I think I hear some crickets coming.
Let me see now…..hmmm Eric writes “employees are encouraged to work and be managed in the language of their choice”. Then yorlik replies “yes isn’t it SAD”
Doesn’t seem to sad to me. **smile** Isn’t that what you guys are crying and fighting about….freedom and choice? OMG!!! LOL
piper….I would rather see a referendum then have guys like you thinking you can dictate, rule and control. And you know what? It won’t change a d#mn thing…..life will go on, but I can’t say the same for you guys….because you are obssessed with this language thing almost to the point of insanity and no matter what, you will never be happy. Not all english people, I mean this bunch of radicals.
Many and I mean many have a problem with your attitude of entitlement, your agenda, you guys trying desperately to seperate this country and the trouble you are causing between different cultures. Stay in your fantasy world……no one really knows how long it will last **s**
First of all cor, I don’t need attention like some people do. You know the type that like to grandstand and want to be seen and heard all the time, that have all the answers and everyone is beneath them intellectually……you know the type that needs attention. I won’t say the name but I believe it starts with a small c and ends in a y.
Yep…..if I am first to post…which would be my original comments, you cory the famous author of this article, said before…”why am I not surprised she was the first to post” Thinking you are losing it….time to get treated because you seem confused when talking from both sides of your mouth.
Didn’t you promise everyone you were not going to get into debates anymore……I hope you consider it again **smile**
Stella said
“No one cares what language is on a business sign…”
and “Again you bring up signs in the last segment of your post……the consumer doesn’t care and nor should this group”.
So again I have to ask, since you continue to repeat it,
If you truly believe your own words stella, how do you explain this???
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/walmart-old-navy-and-others-taking-quebec-government-to-court-over-language-laws-1.1049032
You, defenders of “levelling to the bottom“ are so easy to intelligently, out debate, as low green used to say. But it is sad… Moderator,please close your eyes, so I can tell these guys what losers they are?
Highlander, You should be ashamed, Not only do you insult all the bilingual francophone but you also insult all the anglophone who studied french and speak it. Many of them, fluently. But, I do take your point as to grade A government french because, I’ve eard the CLF spokesperson use the same argument. Its true that, as she says, even some francophone can’t pass the french government test but, that just makes me, question the level of education of her francophone acquaintances.
I’m trying to understand you, when you say. No it’s not fair why 65% BILINGUAL IN THE GOVERNMENT? That excludes the 80? So there’s nothing fair about the bilingualism policy… Look, the long and short about the fairness of the bilingualism policy is that a 100% french, 100% english and 100% other canadians are deemed qualified when they’re qualfied for jobs requiring bilingualism and those jobs are, where need be.
Ududyorlik Your comment is extremely racist but it also shows what little you know about your country. Were talking about bilingual health services and federal public service bilingualism. The common language of Canada or Québec has nothing to do in this debate.
Pierre
December 10, 2012 at 7:57 pm
so I can tell these guys what losers they are?
So now you have sunk to the lowest level ,insulting others as this you have learned well from your ilk.
“look, the long and short about the fairness of the bilingualism policy is that a 100% french, 100% english and 100% other canadians are deemed qualified when they’re qualfied for jobs requiring bilingualism and those jobs are, where need be.”
So why does the government need 65% bilingualism for 22% francophones?
Why must the rest of Canada be required to be bilingual -this is called social Engineering.
The intent of government hiring bilingual was to provide services where warranted not social engineering .
Numbers warrant should be 22% not 65%,that is not where numbers warrant .
You yourself had said that the majority of Government workers were francophone,Really from 22% of the population -these numbers do not add up !!
If I were to provide service to a minority do I hire 65% of my staff in that minority group for that 20% what of the other 80% of my clients?
THERE IS NO NUMBERS WARRANT _BUT THERE IS SOCIAL ENGINEERING.
@pierre
You are so bigotted. Some people could never learn a second language. It’s not something you cna force upon a person.
I doubt if you have the ability to be a rocket scientist, it can be learned – can’t it. You do not have the right ot force your lanaguage upon anyone. However, that is what is being done in the name of FLSA and mandatory bilingualism.
Perhaps you should try Rosetta Stone, maybe a course on Mandarin or gobblydy gook would be intersting to see if you could learn it. Maybe you could also take acourse in good manners and not be so concieted.
Quoting you: “The judges at all levels, and the politicans at all levels too tell you that bilingualism is the fair and inclusive way to be. So be it! end quote. OF COURSE THEY DO, THEY ARE NEARLY ALL FRENCH, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT, IT’S FEATHERING YOUR OWN NEST.
@Stella,
You dare to use the word entitlement – that’s surely your mantra.
Someone tell me what is wrong with having a few, very few, competent French/English Interpreters to service the government.
It is costly and really not necessary to insist upon 65% of employees to be bilingual.
Hiring on the basis of speaking French, or being bilingual, rather than merit is no guarantee for getting the best person(s) for the job.
If you pay attention to U.N. affairs you will notice many people use headphones to listen to translation. Should we request mandatory bilingualism, one language being French, be made law at the U.N.
Get the point?
@ Pierre. You likely are not “fully equipped” enough to realize this but, my post was a response to someone else and thus the content was in keeping with what the “OTHER PERSON WROTE.”
ALSO, “the common language of Canada — English — ” has EVERYTHING to do with this debate, duhh… If you continue to show yourself as being this ill equipped to debate intelligently I will likely not waste my time “debating” anything further with you going forward.
ON December 10, 2012 at 5:50 pm Pierre wrote, “Others can learn a second language,”
Sure we can Pierre “IF WE CHOOSE TO.”
The thing is, we DO NOT CHOOSE TO.
We are all being forced to learn French as a second language just to be able to work in our own country which is a majority English country. Yes, the common language of Canada is ENGLISH.
It would be like you and (we’ll say 18%) of your French friends going to Russia and forcing them to learn French to make you feel welcome and comfortable. Bzzzzt NOT !!!
Now, if I were a Spanish speaking person living in Mexico I wouldn’t think twice to learn English as English is a “universal language.” Air traffic controllers MUST All learn English. Wonder why that is?
That is just the way it is. AND, it helps make things run smoother as English is a fairly easy language to learn.
French on the other hand is difficult to learn and it is a regional language at best. And, though it — MAY BE — a nice language to learn if one “chooses to,” it is SIMPLY – NOT — NECESSARY and SHOULD NOT be necessary.
ON December 10, 2012 at 7:25 pm
stellabrightlight wrote, “piper….I would rather see a referendum.”
There. It’s settled. We all agree now. A referendum it is… All in ?
Crickets coming soon 🙂
Pierre..please don’t be just another name caller..show me some real stats..some real numbers regarding bilingualism..something that contradicts Stats Canada..I don’t care if Highlander or Kilroy are losers..I care about what is working in my country and what is not..no need to finger point at specific people and target them..try and seclude them..’cause thousands of Canadians feel the same way they do..give me something that shows me that bilingualism is working in its current form..you must come armed to this site with more than just name calling..give me one legitamate number..one legitamate percentage that will make the walls of the LFA crumble..Do you have that smoking gun Pierre?
stellabystarlight and Pierre, the current service model is broken, and when Pierre writes “Because, it’s the nature of Canada and fairness and federalism you need to understand better” he may be right, so I add, the current service model is broken!
Currently we over hire French/English and under hire English/French and English. Increasingly muncipal and certainly Ontario provincial and federal. A few bilingual people in each department should be more than enough to handle internal and external needs. Modern communication methods need to be reviewed as well.
So yes, lets have a referendum on what those needs actually are, not perceived to be and work towards a better Canada for all.
Pierre, an issue I have with including an area covering Montreal to Pembroke, is that you do not get true results to help individual communities. The Ottawa/Gatineau census report looks very different when even just those two communities are looked at separately. Even breaking down Ottawa (since amalgamation of it) only has a few enclaves of Francophones.
Forced Bilingualism is nothing short of extortion on the grandest of scales…
Oh sure, the people who support the other side of this argument will state that they aren’t ‘forcing’ us to do anything; as in ‘forcing us to learn French. It just needs to be understood that you have to live with the unfortunate circumstances should you choose not to learn Canada’s other language.
Well, we all know the end results of the punishment of not learning that second langauge, do we? Lack of good job, career advancement, the potential possibility in the future of not being able to hold the highest political office in the land if you don’t know Canada’s ‘other’ official language. What nonsense! And this is just the negative impacts one encounters in the provinces not labelled, Quebec!
It’s full throttle language discrimination in Quebec will all kinds of nasties to deal with. Oh, cannot get your kid educated in English; better not speak English on the street at night, best not speak English to Montreal transit workers lest you receive a flogging, etc. Better speak French to your paramedic as he/she may not treat you if you don’t.
It goes on and on and on……………so called all in the case of ‘preserving’ that second langauge.
Oh Stella,
I’M BACK!!!!!!!!!!
All of it started
Ferris
I appreciate your effort to understand the other side of the issue.
Statistics on this matter are not all that important but, you just have to tap statistic Canada, as I have, and the numbers, I’ve stated, will show up. They’re not important because rights are not held by the majority alone. Canada, the federation, was formed with upper (English) and lower Canada (French). But it was not clean cut. there were anglos in lower Canada and Francos in upper Canada thus creating what, later became, the minorities official languaes minorities. The first Prime Minister, John McDonald commanded that the new provinces be respectful of the linguistic rights of these linguistic minorities and each and everyone of the following Prime Ministers and their governmens have supported those righs. And so have our courts.
I don’t think official bilingualism is working as well as it should. It gives bigots something to work against and it seems to put the future of french minority communities at risk. But, I like to think it’s a work of art in progress. One thing is or sure, it’s here to stay!
Guys like Galganov the CLF, the lfa, are beaten because they’ll never have the support of media, cfra and others.
I’ve called some writers on this “chat” loosers because they are. Whit that negativ attitude, they’re cutting their own chances of employment or that of their children.
Of course some people can’t learn french, some francophone can’t learn english (although this does’nt bother the above mentioned losers) but, governments can’t level to the lower level in health care services and in education because official minority linguistic rights are garantied by the constitution in these areas. Yes, that
means that those who cannot speak both official languages may
not apply for jobs, health & education, where bilingualism is deemed necessary. But, Ferris, it’s not that bad, is it? There are plenty of other jobs for the unilingual .
“Statistics on this matter are not all that important ”
See and there is the problem. You and friends ask for proof, but the proof is of no importance to you.
So what’s the point? As long as you get yours, who cares about the rest?
Why are your beliefs more important then mine, or anyone elses?
Why is your opinion the only right one?
Why is your future worth more than mine?
Pierre, there has been much talk and introspection by many here, rest assured most of us are, or married to, are friends with, have dated, and worked with Francophones. Per capita, there are probably as many good Francophones as Anglophones with varying degrees of thought on the issue.
This is not us versus them but is clouded with emotion on both sides. Beyond reasonable though is where we are now.
In 2009 the Ontario government changed the definition of Francophone only to increase the number as Census Canada has not used this “new” definition. Several dozen language advisors were spread out across government departments with the goal to “assist” them to include more French. Designated areas were increased, from the Ministry of Francophone Affairs, and the French Language Commisoner started touring and advising Francophones to ask for your rights. Again, without a review of what is really needed.
I think most want all citizens to receive the service they need, but with some thought towards cost. Seperate medical clinics is one of the thorns. Do we need the extra cost of buildings, MRI’s etc when having a few bilingual nurses and doctors and front line people would do? Hospitals and schools can sign onto the FLSA and get guaranteed funding if they provide a high level of French. There are no hospitals that only take Anglophones but have no level of guaranteed funding.
I haven’t even touched on Federal yet! 340 million a year from Heritage Canada going to the hundreds of Francophone associations(many of which have roadmaps dedicated to increasing beyond what is needed), is only the start to the hen laying golden eggs.
All this without consultation or even review of what is truly warranted or even needed. The Official Languages Act and the Ontario French Languages Services Act need to be reviewed, soon!
A 3rd party inspection towards actual need, effectiveness, costs, while staying away from special or one interest groups with an agenda.
So yeah, Pierre, it is bad.
Pierre
December 11, 2012 at 9:29 am
“Statistics on this matter are not all that important but, you just have to tap statistic Canada, as I have, and the numbers, I’ve stated, will show up. They’re not important because rights are not held by the majority alone.”
So stats are not important ?what ?
They are the provision by which francophone rights use to force their language on others.
Representation by population is only the true measure of equity in the country otherwise ITS NOT A DEMOCRACY.
“It gives bigots something to work against and it seems to put the future of french minority communities at risk. ”
-Like the Quebec bigots -there are far more of them and its state sanctioned thank you PQ.
“I’ve called some writers on this “chat” loosers because they are. Whit that negativ attitude, they’re cutting their own chances of employment or that of their children”
-Once again folks out there these French Zealots sink to the lowest level by insulting others.
“Yes, that
means that those who cannot speak both official languages may
not apply for jobs, health & education, where bilingualism is deemed necessary”
Yes now you have insulted the 83% of the population those uni lingual in the country .
So that 17% of the population are the only ones to work for their own government ?
That tells me MERIT has no worth anymore as language is deemed more important.
So even if the uni lingual well educated, great experience has not a chance to work for their government only for the fact of language?
So do you believe Pierre language is more important then MERIT ?
I would appreciate an answer
Thank you
Highlander
@pierre,
Quote: I don’t think official bilingualism is working as well as it should. It gives bigots something to work against and it seems to put the future of french minority communities at risk. But, I like to think it’s a work of art in progress. One thing is or sure, it’s here to stay! end quote.
Pierre you contradict yourself.
You don’t think it is working
French minority communities at risk
A work of Art
It’s here to stay.
What person, organisation, or business would continue to pursue
a failing policy. It’s called (excuse the language) “pi**ing into the wind. You call that “A work of Art in progress”?
I vote for Marois and encourage her to separate then you can go back to Quebec and continue your work of Art there.
A uniligual French only Province in Canada, now that is a work of art.
@pierre,
You can’t tell me anything about the need for bilingualism. I worked in Quebec before being able to speak French. Supervised a workforce of over 400 people many of whom couldn’t speak English. With just a few, mostly one person, to interpret we got along very well, very amiable, for many years UNTIL THE TOP MANAGEMENT CHANGED FROM ENGLISH TO FRENCH in the mid seventies and QUITE DRAMATICALLY OVERNIGHT WITH A MANDATE TO GET RID OF THE ENGLISH.
That pierre is what mandatory bilingualism is all about. It was a cleverly conceived plan by Trudeau to get Francophones into better jobs based on language, more than experience.
We who have suffered the axe know this to be true.
Canada is an officail bilingual nation. French does not, should not, have to be mandatory. You let the market dictate and people will learn the second language as it pertains to personal needs.
It shouldn’t take 65% of the government to provide translation services.
If I’m not mistaken, I believe there are translators (headphones) for M.P’s who are not bilingual. Big question, why do they do that.
Pierre….well said. Don’t let this gang intimidate you and make you feel beneath them in any way…..
et voila…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KU_3nkF4Ig
Thanks for the response Pierre. No, things are’nt all that bad..In fact, they’re pretty good. Oh yeah, it’s Sir John A .MacDonald..not McDonald. By simply adding a letter A between the c and the letter D, means holding heiarchy in the MacDonald Clan…We MacDonalds’s tend to hold this quite sacred. So careful how you adress our most beloved Prime Minister..Sir John A MacDonald.
Poor Stella, she’s feeling the intimidation as well as OCD
edudyorlik
December 11, 2012 at 11:39 am
Thanks for cuing the crickets!
..man..there’s mud in my eyes. I should have looked at Wikipedia..would have seen that it’s Sir John A. Macdonald…not upper case MacDonald like myself…and all these years I’ve been telling people that I’m Sir John’s only son and heir to the throne of Canada..I hope you’re happy with yourself Pierre…first calling Kilroy and the G-Man losers and now crushing another mans hopes and aspirations…lol
Merry Christmas All
It’s how you deal with failure that determines how you achieve success…….thinking many of these radicals were not successful in their life choices and now blame it on the french.
So many people dwell on negativity
I’ve survived by ignoring it!!
Ok You ask me questions so I’lll reply even i f, with all due respect, some of these questions are silly.
Eric:
It’s not a question of though and introspection anymore Bilingualism is a mater of LAW!!! Of course there are good canadians of all creeds and ethnicities I won’t comment your third paragraph other than to say that it’s only an opinion that I wonder what you had smoked before you dreamed it up?
I was wondering when the french only clinic would pop up. I’ve said it before health services are guaranteed to the official language minorities in the constitution, To change that you have to open the constitution. Québec ha been begging for that since 1982 because it fells it got a bad deal. Anyways, there’s only one french clinic and it allows the others, in the region, to be english only. You should be happy! Besides the reason they did it that way is they didn’t even have francophone doctor, for that clinic, only a bilingual anglophone one
Brace yourself Eric because I’ll now tell you what will be reviewed. The canadian bilingualism policy will be reviewed and improved. NDP propositions indorsed by Conservatives will be tabled in March to expand bilingualism to higher fontions in the Federal civil service. and then on to the Supreme court judges. 2013 may just be the best year ever for bilingualism.
Highlander,
Oh highlander, it’s one thing to read stats and an other to understand them well.
I’ve said it before. Canada is a federation. That means that it is composed of different state governments (provinces) an a central government that share powers. Language and culture are provincial. That is canadian democracy! All the federal is to insure bilingualism withen it’s institution It’s not perfect yet but, as I’ve said, it’ll be better next year.
You accuse the PQ of sanctioning bigotry, I’dlike you to explain that one Bilingualism in Canada is merit… The constitution says so not me.. Lump it!
Ken:
What the heck is the matter with you guys! Ken.
there’s no contradiction in what I’ve written… Read it again, then again, very, very slowly. You may understand??
I am in Québec’ Ken and, if you were’nt so closed minded, you’d know that, dispite the fact that “la belle province” declared itself officially bilingual, Québec and NB. are the two most bilingual iprovinces in the federation.
Ferris,
Sir John A MacDonald
I stand corrected, Thank You!