Harry Valentine on Cornwall Ontario Council Decision to Defer on Fluoride Use in Water – LTE

Harry Valentine on Cornwall Ontario Council Decision to Defer on Fluoride Use in Water – LTE
During the regular meeting of Monday December 10, Cornwall City Council voted to defer making a decision on the future of adding flouride to the city’s municipal water.
Councillor Bernadette Clement has asked for more information about hydrofluorosilic acid, the compund that is added to the municipal water. She also queried the tiny percentage of fluoridated municipal water that is actually being consumed by citizens, recognizing that some 95% of it is quite literally “going down the drain”.
Councillor Denis Carr voiced his confidence in the qualifications of the representative from Health Canada who had previously addressed Cornwall City Council on the subject of water fluoridation. He is evidently quite unaware that an equally well-qualified expert from New Zealand who had at one time supported water fluoridation, reversed his stand on fluoride and began to oppose fluoride. He made his reasons for opposing water fluoridation in a presentation that readers may view at webpage:
What say you now Councillor Carr, in the face of an equally well qualified expert who opposes water fluoridation? In Northern Ontario, the representative from Health Canada along with members of the local Health Unit met individually with members of a city council, to speak to them behind closed doors about water fluoridation. Except that a few councillors recognized the high-pressure, confrontational, intimidation tactic for what it was .  .  . a well-known psychological breakdown-through-subtle-intimidation tactic intended to render individuals defenseless   .  .  . .  the individuals were elected members of a municipal council who were to be subtly intimidated and “gently” psychologically rendered defenseless in the face of a so-called expert whose case can be challenged be an equally well-qualified expert (See the video at the link above). The tactic quite literally backfired and the municipal council voted to end water fluoridation (one of the councillors was a former military person who was aware of “subtle” psychological breakdown tactics).
So some one at Cornwall City Administration is going to invite the representative from Health Canada back to Cornwall, perhaps to address another meeting of Cornwall City Council. Perhaps the Health Canada representative may attempt to answer the claims of a equally well-qualified expert who at one time had enthusiastically supported water fluoridation .  .  .  . then changed direction and began to vehemently oppose water fluoridation.
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Perhaps the Health Canada representative may care to comment on the Quebec situation, where fluoride opponents had to use the Freedom of Information Act to compel Health Canada to release information that pertained to the harmful effects of water fluoridation .  .  .  . information that Health Canada had suppressed. The Quebec anti-fluoride group subsequently circulated that formerly suppressed information to municipalities around Quebec, with the result that Quebec is now over 97% fluoride-FREE!!.
Perhaps Cornwall City Council needs to see this information too?
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Ronald Eheman
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the high-pressure, confrontational, intimidation tactic for what it was . . . a well-known psychological breakdown-through-subtle-intimidation tactic intended to render individuals defenseless . . . . Where can I learn more about intimidation tactics ? Who is in charge of the fluoridation medicine? The National Sanitation Foundation. The NSF requires numerous toxological studies proving it’s “safe and effective” (this should be the FDA’s job and systemic fluoride products are not approved ). The NSF does not have a single study and defers to the suppliers. The suppliers should have them. They do not. Carroll- Boone Water District and Crescent City… Read more »
Mary Anne Pankhurst
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I always loved playing with magnets as a kid and was especially intrigued how forces could either repel or attract.

Seems to me this whole issue is one of repel. On one hand you have the force of scientific argumentation and on the other, social argumentation with its attendant emotional input, fear and denial.

It’s an interesting intersection.

I expect the politicians will settle on the side of the social.

Fascinating!

Harry Valentine
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Hi Ronald, Thanks for responding. The intimidation tactic I mentioned was developed by sales organizations during the mid-1960’s . . . to deal with “tough customers”. It originates in the natural world when a wolf pack separates an intended target from a herd. Then they go to work on the lone individual and render it defenceless. Street gangs use the technique as well, usually for economic gain. On a psychological level, the technique can work with most people, that is, a gang against a lone individual. Only a rare individual who has had training in the unarmed physical martial arts… Read more »
hailey Brown
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Harry
Considering the ruling by the SUpreme COurt of Canada where in it states people have the right not to be medicated if they so choose,

How can they legally justify medicating people not wanting them to stop?

Harry Valentine
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Hailey, You’ve hit the nail on the head. Water fluoridation began at a time when paternalistic behaviour prevailed . . . . when medical ethics was virtually non-existent. Modern medical ethics prohibits doctors from forcibly medicating mentally competent people, against their will. The Supreme Court of Canada upholds this standard. As a result, no medical officer health that includes the head of the EOHU has neither the legal authority or an ethical basis to forcibly medicate an entire community by means of the municipal water supply. Neither does the City Council of the City of Cornwall have the legal authority… Read more »
hailey Brown
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Harry

Do you think the citizens have the grounds for legal action against the EOHU and Cornwall city council? Deferring is merely delaying or ignoring the health and welfare of the citizens.

Mary Anne Pankhurst
Member

this is hilarious

Harry Valentine
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Jimmy, You’re correct. It is hilarious. A previous Cornwall Mayor supported the aims of the St Lawrence River Institute “to clean up the river”, in co-operation with the Mohawk community. Cornwall’s present mayor states that “we want to be good stewards of the river”. The fluoride content in the river already exceeds the maximum set by Environment Canada (EC) . . . and Cornwall is dumping fluoridated water into the river at a concentration that is far in excess of the level set by EC. It costs Cornwall some $50,000 per year to add fluoride to the water at the… Read more »
Diane Marshall
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Great article Harry (remember me?). I see some people here refuse to want to research on this subject. Sad! Might be about time we all get together for the sake of the children I see every day in Cornwall with dental fluorosis Why do our children have to go for the rest of their lives with dis-colorization of their teeth because of a lie told to us in the 50’s by Dr. Robert Kehoe of the Kettering Laboratory who was paid by the Aluminum companies, dental associations and tobacco companies (THAT’S RIGHT) TOBACCO COMPANIES to come up with studies to… Read more »
Harry Valentine
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Hailey, The pro-fluoride lobby has had an ongoing fight with the anti-fluoride lobby for several years. There’s $$$$ involved in adding fluoride to municipal water . . . Calgary stands to save some $750,000 per year by ending their water fluoridation program. Other larger cities spend up to $3-million per year buying hydrofluorosilicic acid . . . . and the suppliers and their supporters are not about to give up without a fight. Some in the pro-fluoride camp claim that hydrofluorosilicic acid is not a medication . . . while others in the same camp tout its alleged benefits. There… Read more »
Mary Anne Pankhurst
Member
I am not pro-fluoride nor am I anti. But I do respect a clean argument. In this case, the anti group should simply argue that while there was merit to fluoridating water 50/60 years ago, today, tooth pastes (that contain fluoride), combined with life-long dental care should be sufficient to help prevent dental carries. In addition, municipal governments could save money. …50 years from now, the scientists can take a retrospective review on the impact of having removed fluoride from municipal water supplies. Also, chlorine in water kills bacteria. Would your group argue that it’s an anti-biotic-like medication? And what… Read more »
hailey Brown
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Harry
If we review the clarification for the addition of fluoride to the water, it does state for “health benefits. “. Even Raul Roumeliotis stated in so many words it is the best thing for dental health in many years we would be remiss in our responsibility too good dental health if we removed it.

So if it is beneficial for our health and does not not occur naturally in nature how could it be anything else other then medication? Even something as simple as vitamins are a supplement and still a form of medication.

So how can they continue?

Harry Valentine
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To the above, thanks for posting: Hailey, The head of the EOHU knows his ethical standards of his profession . . . . he cannot forcibly medicate any competent adult. So he tells the so-called benefits of fluoride . . . and the onus is on someone else to forcibly medicate. The so-called benefits are based on statistical studies . . . . I have some knowledge of the subject and know how “to cook the numbers”. If a city were to consider water fluoridation, I would conduct a study on children’s cavities in the poorer part of town, where… Read more »
Mary Anne Pankhurst
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When you start accusing world recognized scientific authorities (such as the World Health Organization) of “cooking” the numbers, you will only find yourself being accused of being a kook. Somewhat like those who deny the value of vaccinating against polio, measles or rabies. Why would you knowingly bring that upon yourselves? You have a right to suggest that fluoridation may have outlived its original purpose. That, to me, seems like a valid argument. Remember, the medication claim can be disputed. Fluoride is a mineral that occurs naturally in water supplies. Fluoridation is the adjustment of the natural fluoride concentration to… Read more »
Harry Valentine
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Jimmy, Hydrofluorosilicic acid does NOT occur naturally in drinking water. The most common fluoride that occurs naturally in drinking water in some regions of the world, is calcium fluoride (CaF2). The aluminium smelting industry’s waste product is sodium fluoride (NaF) that is an ingredient in many brands of toothpaste. Calcium fluoride (fluorospar) has industrial uses . . . . it is way too valuable and way too expensive to use an additive in municipal drinking water. Highly purified sodium fluoride has numerous uses, including in anti-depressants and in pain killers. The reason behind water fluoridation was the low rate of… Read more »
hailey Brown
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Check the MSDS sheets from various manufacturers, The Canadian Environmental Protection Act classifies hydrofluorosilicic acid as “persistent,” “bio-accumulative” and “toxic.” Environment Canada classifies hydrofluorosilicic acid as a “hazardous substance.” Transport Canada classifies hydrofluorosilicic acid as a “dangerous goods.” Considering hydrofluorosilicic acid’s inorganic silicofluoride, lead, arsenic, mercury and radionuclides do pose a threat when diluted in the environment, how do they not pose a threat when diluted in our drinking water? Having experience in Uranium extraction and yellow cake production, uranium is co-produced with phosphate production, radioactive cross-contamination of hydrofluorosilicic acid occurs. I woulder what EOHU would say to that, or… Read more »
Mary Anne Pankhurst
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I didn’t say Hydrofluorosilicic acid occurs naturally, i said it raises naturally occurring levels… As I have also said, you have the right to argue that fluoride may have outgrown its usefulness. (possibly a scientific argument) But to call medical professionals unethical or of having questionable ethics is a social argument, and one which I personally resent. I have also said that politicians will likely cave to the social argument. Just look at the reporting in today’s news about questioning the safety of workers. You could win on these and other loosely connected social concerns, including throwing around words that… Read more »
Harry Valentine
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Hailey, Thanks for doing research on the hazardous nature of hydrofluorosilicic acid and also about the Supreme Court of Canada ruling prohibiting doctors from forcibly medicating people. Jimmy, The ethical standards of the medical profession have changed over the years. Modern physicians are required to observe standards and practices that their predecessors knew nothing of many decades ago. When fluoride compounds were first added to drinking water, nobody even considered the concept of forcible medication. That standard is now observed in many nations. Several members of Cornwall City Council uphold that “doctor knows best”. Except that doctor does not have… Read more »
Mary Anne Pankhurst
Member

the EOHU might argue it’s a matter of quantity (1:1million parts).

many a substance – naturally occurring or otherwise – could be increased to toxic levels.

But don’t take my word for it…call and ask.

Harry Valentine
Guest
There are many people living in Cornwall today, who were children when Cornwall began to add fluoride to the municipal water back during 1962 (some 50-years ago). At the time, the aluminium smelters were releasing massive volumes of airborne fluoride from their smokestacks and also through their water systems. One of the smelter is located upstream of the power dam . . . not too far from the water intake for the City of Cornwall. Heaven only knows how much fluoride actually got into Cornwall’s water supply over a 20-year period, until the aluminium smelters started to the reduce their… Read more »
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