Language Fairness for All Stands in Solidarity for Anglophone Quebec Canadians against Bill 14’s Double-standard
We as Canadians consider ourselves a fair and just society and often through diplomatic and military measures encourage and or enforce fair treatment of oppressed people abroad.
With our fair and just society promoting people’s rights abroad, why has our country permitted Quebec’s Bill 14 and its human rights violations?
Bill 14 is basically Bill 101 on steroids and its’extensive 33 pages of amendments of the French Language Charter and and Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms, is a slap in the face to people who believe in fairness.
I had the great opportunity to go to Montreal on Sunday Feb 17 and attend the protest rally against Bill 14 and meet many patriotic Quebec Canadians.
The rally drew approximately 400 people, many with signs denouncing Bill 14 and its potential impact on society. To me this was a proud moment when people stood up for their rights.
These people love their province but not the politics of the present government and their policies of division through language policies. Discrimination was a word frequently heard at the rally.
To those who, like me until recently, do not know the impact of Bill 14, I will address a small portion of these three areas: Human Rights, Education, Employers.
HUMAN RIGHTS:
UNDER THE CHARTER OF THE FRENCH LANGUAGE -PREAMBLE
“Whereas the National Assembly intends to pursue this objective in a spirit of fairness and open-mindedness, respectful of the institutions of the English-speaking community of Québec, and respectful of the ethnic minorities, whose valuable contribution to the development of Québec it readily acknowledges”
Bill 14 changes “ETHNIC MINORITIES ” to Cultural communities -The changes may not seem like much but they are big changes.
Ethnicity and Minorities are defined under the Canadian charter of rights and under so their rights are covered .
#56-Whereas the rights and freedoms of the human person are inseparable from the rights and freedoms of others and from the common well-being-“AND FROM THE COMMON WELL- BEING “BILL 14 removes.
Under the QUEBEC CHARTER OF HUMAN RIGHTS
#10 Every person has a right to full and equal recognition and exercise of his human rights and freedoms, without distinction, exclusion or preference based on race, colour, sex, pregnancy, sexual orientation, civil status, age except as provided by law, religion, political convictions, language, ethnic or national origin, social condition, a handicap or the use of any means to palliate a handicap.
Please take special note with regards to equal recognition of ethnicity and language and without distinction,clearly having recognized one language and the oppression of the English language in Quebec violates more then one of the charter of human rights.
EDUCATION:
#58-Every person has a right, to the extent and according to the standards provided for by law, to free public education. Bill 14 amends at the end of this statement “every person has a right to receive such education in French”
-One must consider what is omitted here – So people do not have a right to receive an education in English?
#30 No Secondary Education or Diploma of College may be issued to a student who does not have a specified knowledge of spoken and written French as required by the minister of education.
#35 The professional orders shall not issue permits except to persons whose knowledge of the official language is appropriate to the practice of their profession with the completion of prescribed French courses.
Children’s enrollment in primary and secondary school must be in French unless proof is provided that one parent received their education in English only in the province of Quebec.
EMPLOYERS :
#47-An employer is PROHIBITED from requiring that a person have knowledge of a language other than French unless the nature of the person’s duties with the employer requires such knowledge.
#125.3-The employer must publicize the name of the person responsible for Francization within the enterprise as well and submit the linguistic situation analysis and reports and submit through ministers office forms.
#175-As part of inspection the person may examine any products goods labeling displays and take measurements to verify compliance.
Inspectors may require the production of any book, account, record, file or other documents for examination or for the purpose of making copies or extracts.
The inspector may seize anything which he or she believes on reasonable grounds may prove the commission of an offence under this act or the regulations.
#177-If the Office is of the opinion that this Act or a Regulation under this Act has been contravened, it shall refer the matter to the Director of CRIMINAL and Penal Prosecutions so that appropriate penal proceedings may be instituted where required.
This is but a few of the large number of stricter regulations put forward in bill 14.
I found this one comment to be very interesting and saw it a number of times -ref#32 ” The language policy shall specify the conditions and circumstances in which a language other than French may be used in accordance with the act, while emphasizing the importance of setting an example and of PREVENTING WIDESPREAD INSTITUTIONAL BILINGUALISM.”
In closing, after the Rally I had the opportunity to video record three presenters who spoke at the rally and had the opportunity for a one on one.
The speakers in were:
Hugo Shebbeare of the Quebec Office Of The English Language:
Norbert Bedouch -media contact of unity group and V.P of Equality Party
Mark Bergeron -leader of the Equality Party
All three gave their perspective on the Bill 14 Rally and how since the Morois Separatist Government has been elected, many not-so-nice changes have occurred.
Some have given personal perspectives on their treatment. The videos will certainly provide better insight into how these proud Quebec Canadians feel and why they stand up against oppression. It was an honour for me to stand with them .
Take care my fellow Canadians
Christopher Cameron
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@ cory
I lived in quebec for 40 years. Most, if not all immigrants went to an English school. Most immigrants also embraced English institutions and associated with English traditions ( st. Patrick’s day parade) The festival Italia, Prince arther Avenue, and the greek and portuguese cafes.
These immigrants were far more comfortable alligning themselves with the Enlgish in montreal.
The signage of their wares were yes, in some cases in Italian , Greek , but the reality here is that 99% of these allophones, went to an English school and learned the English language first.
To their minds they were immigrating to “Canada” and therefore, believed that they could choose the language of their choice.
This is why, when bill 101 was first introduced, that camille lauren, its author. insisted, that the only way a student could attend English school, was if both of his/her parents were educated “in quebec in English”.
Since 99% of the immigrants came from a foreign country, Italy, Greece etc., it meant they were FORCED INTO french schools.
The results waas 70% of Englsih schools were closed by 1990.
It eradicated the English school system here.
The display of signs in french only was , yes against immigrants, but they represented a very small number, in conparsion to the vast number of English businesses that occupied Montreal, prior to 1977.
After 1977, at least 50 major companies moved their head offices out of Montreal. Most notably were, Sun Life, Belding Cortisella,
Northtern electric, March- Mcclennon etc. etc.and the NHL as well.
This resulted in Toronto becoming Canada’s New York City.
Montreal lost its dessigantion of being Canada’s business capital, and this hurt the quebec economy and caused unemployment to soar, to where it has yet to recover.
This is yet another reason that quebec is a welfare state, who wants to come to an enviroment that is anti- English and anti everything else and set up shop.
FYI : quebec today has the fifth lagest deficeit in the world.
From there, downhill all the way.
Peter this sort of nonsense cannot be allowed anywhere. I have maintained and continue to maintain that these language laws are fascist in nature.
Language is not a crime.
But in the province of Quebec, the notion of legislating a language above all others is happening and it’s only getting worse as the PQ government continues to tighten the reigns as it were
Why this happens is clear. The powers that be in Quebec simply wan’t an increasingly French dominated province. Notwithstanding that this seems immoral and wrong to try and form elitism through language; it is done so through fascist laws. The implementation of which is manifested through laws such as Bills 101 and 14.
Education should be the great equalizer in a democracy. Not what language one speaks in, nor what religion one practices; or any other individualistic or socially ascribed characteristic(s) belonging to an individual or group of individuals as found in per se, the communication in the French language as belonging to an entire ethnicity.
Elitism through language.
As to why it’s permitted to happen is also clear. Our federal government is not stepping in and forcing Quebec to treat it’s non-Francophone population fairly. It seems that our politicians have forgotten that Quebec is still a part of Canada and should be called on a number of human right’s violations – including the Gog-given right to express oneself in the language of one’s choice without laws forbidding/restricting people to do so. But worse; the majority of our fellow Canadians have also forgotten that Quebec is still a part of Canada as well.
There seems to be no help from the Federal Government of Canada for the mistreatment of 1 million + non-Francophones within the Province of Quebec.
Quebec has and is permitted to run a free reign in regards to all of it’s endeavours; whether they be social, political, economical, educational or likewise. The only de facto federal influence that remains is the funding of this separate, ‘nation within a nation’. This, plain and simple, must stop for everyone concerned.
Quebec essentially receives huge amounts of federal transfer payments with no legal obligation on how to spend this money. Give a baby a loaded handgun and tell me what happens.
And so here we are. A province (or rather nation-state) existing within another nation that operates it’s own laws contrary not only to the Confederation to which it belongs but also contrary to the fundamental democratic principles of fairness and equality. Moreso, we have as evidenced from 4 Ontario municipalities, Quebec-style laws now impacting something to do with; you guessed it, language; specifically the language on signs.
Where does it all end? Well, it doesn’t unless we see the separation of Quebec from the rest of Canada.
I’ve said it before.
Ask yourself not if your Canada includes Quebec but if their Quebec includes your Canada?
@ PIERRE
Thank you. I appreciate your contributions to the dialogue as well.
Pierre we agree, birds of a feather flock together. Language, as you stated previously is the basic component in the development of a culture. It is if you like the initial force within a group of people that enables them to embrace common practices and purpose and hence the evolution of a culture.
Pierre I believe in the merit of a varied number of perspectives in order to formulate logical opinions and draw valid conclusions. Diversity is the fuel that empowers us all to move forward and develop. No where did I suggest that diversity should be as you put it “shelved in the museums”. Rather the energy it generates simply needs to be harnessed in a positive manner that unites people instead of driving wedges between groups.
I also agree Pierre with your comments regarding the improvement in the quality of language since the quiet revolution. I acknowledge that unfortunately spoken English cannot make the same claim. Shame.
Unfortunately, Pierre, not all decisions by the courts have shown good sense. The test of time determines whether sound judgement was exercised. History therefore provides great insight into the success of the future provided that we have truly learned from the mistakes of the past. This is why from time to time laws are struck down or modified. But that is another topic.
What Canadian cities Pierre has diversification worked well in?
Multiculturalism in Canada has encouraged or promoted certain ethnic groups to simply segregate themselves. Societies within societies. While each group contributes no question, there is less left of a recognizable Canadian identity for all to embrace. Our brand of diversity has created division. Let me explain a view of the problem we are creating.
In Canada we have two legal systems, common law and civil law.
This speaks to the two founding nations, correct? Diversity, as managed by the federal government has led us to now entertain the notion of introducing a third system of law to recognize the “special” needs of the aboriginals. Should this occur Pierre then how could the Supreme Court of Canada refute the acceptance of
Sharia Law. Do you agree that multiple legal systems will lead us to harmony and content?
I believe that for any group to survive it must be united in purpose and basic ideology. Our governments promotion of diversity has not embraced or met the essentials of unity. Therein lies the problems we are currently facing.
Dissension, suspicion and dissatisfaction and eventually despair.
Pierre if believe in your last statement that Quebecois and the rest of Canadians have a common purpose then you believe in co-existence not separatism. A fair and just country is one nation, not two. This is achievable Pierre, welcome to the fold mon ami .
Another *important* issue i believe we must all “accept” is this:
To the French there really is no belief in the “ideal” of a united Canada (unless it is a French ONLY Canada.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBz6fce9Sw8&list=UUR7OLqPM548oAxD_nMAGl4g&index=26
or, for that matter even — bilingualism —
They say it themselves, “bilingualism to the Francophones means death.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUPk2sijbgs
We are doing ourselves a huge disservice if we refuse to listen and pay attention to what they themselves are saying.
It would be nice if this were not the case but, — WE MUST accept — that this is *their reality* It’s either all French or nothing.
We *must also accept* that they are using the ROC financially and on the world stage.
They are carrying along till the point is reached where by they have gained enough infrastructure (using the funds from the ROC) and enough “acceptance” on the world stage gained through their “connection with Canada” that they then can transition to being a country of their own.
And the LAST — BUT VERY IMPORTANT FACT — which *we MUST accept* is something that was mentioned earlier.
Quebec and the French fact is like a cancer. If we do not remove this appendage from the ROC it WILL affect ALL of Canada. A coup de ta
It won’t simply just be Quebec as it’s own country. The cancer will have spread enough that they will drag the ROC along and *use* the ROC with the well placed French people in places of power to simply transition Canada to a completely French country. And folks, as a result of P.E.T’s well thought out plan,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=981IaOhQGvw&list=UUR7OLqPM548oAxD_nMAGl4g&index=46
this last part is not too far off. When one remembers that the majority 86% Anglophone population of the Canadian CANNOT even aspire to being the Prime Minister of their own country. THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG.
Corey so are so right. I have had many years of French instruction but at a quick glance I would not know what this means. “virage protégé sur feu vert clingotant” something about safe to turn on flashing green light???? help me out here Pierrre or Stella.
@ David,
If pierre believes that the quebecois and Canada have a common purpose, he does not know Canadians.
As I previously stated, it is all but impossible for quebec to go back to pre bill 101 days.
as long as bill 101 remains on the books, quebc does not and will be included in My Canada.
when any jurisdiction that carries a Canadian passport, and treats a group as badly and unfairly as the anglophones of quebec, have been treated then there is no common purpose to share or build on.
I believe that it is inevietable that quebec will separate, one way or another. I have proposed a peaceful separation by having a 10 year moratorum on separation.
During that 10 year period, borders , interantional agreements, currenacy etc. could be hammered out, and at the end of this 10 year period, quebec goes, forever, and bonne chance.
They will finally have what hy always wanted their COMMON PURPOSE and Canada as well , can have a country where the English majority can finally be freed of the albatross that is currently choking her: bilingualism
There are no other options here.
it will just take time before what we know, to catch up to the politicans.
Why have a province in a federation, that does not want to be here, and quit frankly , Canadians are getting so fed up they just want them to go. Please read my previous posts, which illustrates the differences, and they are getting wider and wider each and every day.
Protected turn on flashing green light. (literal translation) of “virage protégé sur feu vert clingotant”. It is good though that in Quebec you cannot turn right on a red light. I think that’s a pretty progressive idea. I’m not sure if it’s still like that.
@ cory
your Post at 1:44p.m.
What to do, is form a brand new Canadian English potitical party to represent what we ( the English ) majority want.
I have addressed this countless times.
we can , again I have addressed this, boycott all that is bilingual, especially here in eastern Ontario, to try to prevent being as quebec is now.
bilingualism has already seeped in into 4 communities already.
We ,as well have to make a lot of noise, here.
rallies, boycotts, public displays of mass protest that reflects how we feel and what we want.
WE also UNDER no circumstance should BE “INTIMIDATED OR BULLIED by any one. They ( the french and people who are sympathic to bilingualism ) will come at us hard.
we have to be harder in our response.
unified as well in this common and just fight.
if this can happen, then finally, maybe politicans will wake up and address our wants
I have stated all of this many times before.
@ pierre,
hi pierre, out for a good old “pasta” meal?
be careful. it might just be illegal
When are you going to answer my questions I posed on Mar4 th. at 1:27P.m. and then again at 1:118 p.m. ?
How about my questions to you regarding why francophones leave quebec “becasue of Bill 101
How come no one goes to quebec “because of bill 101” ?
Please tell us what you think of both tachereau and duplessis ratting out the quebecois and you guys blaming the English for what they did
Still waiting, pierre, still waiting
@ david,
my blog at 4:14 today.
I amde an erro in my tird paragraph :
It should read as follows:
As long as bill 101 remains on the books, quebec does not and will not, be included in My Canada
Sorry about the error, my eyesight is not good
@ pierre,
when do you plan on addressing my questions I posed to you ?
Are you not the least bit ashamed that you are ducking me, and hoping I would not keep asking you to respond.
come on pierre, this is not the stuff, real men are made off, real and honest debators ,Debate, win or loose, they debate and face the issues head on ,like men.
pierre, don’t let stella and you the quebecois friends down, by not even defending what I asked to you.
are you a quitter pierre ? no one, not even stella and your quebecois friends , like a quitter pierre
everyone here is very anxious to hear what you believe and think.
waiting pierre, waiting pierre, waiting pierre,
oops, Pasta’s burning, next stop, a quebec sex boutiqe store to see if I can singlehandly topple the french language, with a purchase of an English “penis ring”
@ David, Your post are a pleasure to read….refreshing and thought provoking. The english freedom fighter’s incessant babbling and putdowns whose only agenda is to instigate and tear this peace loving country apart is unpatriotic and tiring to say the least.
You certainly provide better insight then the habitual activist who are forever posting you tube videos blaming the world’s problems on the french culture.
THEIR DIATRIBE IS FEAR MONGERING AT IT’S BEST!!!!
The fight for independence continues, http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/french-canadians-victims-of-soft-ethnocide-says-report-partly-funded-by-pq-189684751.html with inspecting the Charter and developing solutions.
stellabystarlight, the way French is being pushed on the English is the problem.
@ Rosie
I’ve never seen any writing of the sort.
Following the international custom, most trafic signs use symbols, in Québec. For the no turn on right sign, usually the picture of a red light with a cross and an arrow pointing right is shown.
@Pierre…..the question directed to you and I clearly demonstrates to what extent these english freedom fighters will go with their exagerations and fabrications in order to garner much needed supoport.
@ stella,
if we are so tiring go to a french site
@ david
You have fans on both sides.
maybe now would be a good time to take a stand
what do you think?
quebec , in or out of canada?
If in, then in WITHOUT bill 101, or else they leave
Agree or disagree David?
Does the name Bill O’Reilly ring a bell? He is on nightly from 8:00 to 9:00 on the FOX NEWS station which is situated in the heart of NYC.
What is amazing is this: At the end of his show he always says: “Anytime you wish to opine, don’t be ——” Guess what? Nine times out of ten, the word is derived from the french language.
Something else that is quite interesting, in each of the 5 boroughs that make up NYC, many…….(and I mean many) businesses have chosen french names……isn’t that wonderful!!!
@ David Oldham
I appreciate your contribution too.
I can’t agree or disagree with you concerning good or bad court dicissions because you haven’t been specific.
I will say this though, in a general way. Judges, being human, can and do make mistakes. That is why we have different court levels and a decission from a lower court deemed wrong, can always be changed by higher court. All the way to the Supreme Court of Canada. And our court system is considered one of the best in the world.
Multiculturalism. Have you heard of the Bouchard/Taylor commission that addressed the question of multiculturalism, in Québec, a couple of years ago.
It’s conclusions where that multiculturalism works well, in Québec, but immigrants, from certain countries, had to learn our language and culture better. It condemned some imported cultural practicies such as the beating of ones wife or children etc.
I believe that multiculturalism works as well in Toronto and Vancouver and Montreal, the three cities where most new-comers congregate most. But I also believe, that there is a limit, to the amount of immigrants we can accept if we are to integrate them into our cultures.
Our language and culture, here in Québec, is more at risk than yours is, in the ROC. So, we’ve reduced the amount of immigrants from 50,000 to 45,000 last year. Was that enough ??? That, for now, is a question of opinion.
France and other European countries have big problems with immigration because, they have not integrated the new-comers well and, have allowed the formation of cultural ghettos.
You forsee a pretty gloomy the future for Canada because
of multiculturalism… But have no fear, the Supreme Court of Canada will refute Sharia law because/if some or many aspects of it are not in accordance with the Canadian Bill fo Rights and Freedoms.
I’ve always believed in Canada, but as a confederation and, that was the will of the Fathers of Confederation.
Laxism, two world wars and other circumtances, in the twentieth century, have allowed Canada to become more of a federation. Québec, mostly, but other provinces too, do not agree with this because, it concentrates powers, in the hands of the central government and weakens the provinces.
I hope Canada stays united, David but, whetever the future holds, I will remain Québecois.
stellabystarlight
March 10, 2013 at 10:29 am
“@Pierre…..the question directed to you and I clearly demonstrates to what extent these english freedom fighters will go with their exagerations and fabrications in order to garner much needed supoport.”
The questions were very clear and so is the fact that he refuses to address those valid questions .
This is not once again English against French as you would prefer as this truly divides people ,but a human rights issue !
By YOU STELLA doing this it is you who wishes to divide the country,continue to encourage your separatist friend as you are a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
So all of you who read but do not post –
Is equality not worth fighting for ?
Should not ALL people be considered equal ?
Should someone solely get a job on the ability to speak french ?
Consider this you can have great education and experience ,but because you are not “CLASSIFIED”as bilingual the government will not even look at your resumé .
Since when is the ability to speak a minority language better then merit?
PURE SOCIAL ENGINEERING.
Stella’s comments of exagerations and fabrications is the fascist propaganda tool to defer the real questions and the act of desperation of someone with the inability to provide answers .
We as a group can provide ample data to support what we say ,but our separatist commentors have the only tool that goes against valid evidence -PROPAGANDA.
*****smile*****
@ pierre
I have read a number of your posts and I am indeed unerwhelmed
How can you say the things you do, and truly believe them ?
I am referring to statements regarding common sense,
and your total lack of not addressing issues that you yourself raised, yet when someone responds or contradicts you, you simply ignore them
This is irresponsible and rude.
What kind of debate is that?
Either you stand behind what you say or you don’t, but ignoring questions and issues asked by others and not responding goes to ability and makes you look very weak.
Pierre
March 10, 2013 at 11:23 am
I hope Canada stays united, David but, whetever the future holds, I will remain Québecois.
I find that interesting in that numerous times in the past posts you have stated otherwise .
Deception ,Deception Deception .
Listen Pierre the separatist you cannot put lipstick on a pig!
@ stella.
Do any of these businesses’ prohit the use of English?
can any of them have “pasta” on the menu
Does NYC have language police to enforce lettering ?
Can students in NYC go to ANY school they wish , without restriction ?
How about emailing Bill O’Reilly and showcasing quebec’s laws
Do that stella,and let me know what he thinks about thoses and and back to us, if you are such a fan of his
Hiya Stella,
Thanks for raising the numbers of hits again on our Language Right’s Fight!
You wrote:
“Something else that is quite interesting, in each of the 5 boroughs that make up NYC, many…….(and I mean many) businesses have chosen french names……isn’t that wonderful!!!
I too believe that is wonderful. I imagine it adds flair and contributes to a European feeling of NYC. You know what too. I believe it wonderful that the good folks who own businesses in NYC still have the choice to advertise in the language of their choice! Unlike Quebec, I imagine, the choosing of French names for their businesses in NYC was entirely done so through their discretion and NO government involvement. It was probably the ‘chic’ thing to do to attract European/Canadian patrons.
Nice try though kid in attempting to raise our blood pressure.
Cory
Thank you Pierre, now that makes sense but I am sure Cory didn’t make this up. I have to tell you though, my experience driving through Montreal, I have many times have had to read French on signs in construction zones and have gone by them without ever understanding what the message was supposed to be. Call it lucky I guess that I made it to where I had to go.
OMG. That explains everything.
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On March 10, 2013 at 11:19 am stellabystarlight wrote,
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“Does the name Bill O’Reilly ring a bell? He is on nightly from 8:00 to 9:00 on the FOX NEWS station which is situated in the heart of NYC.”
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Oh my… That’s it… You watch “Bill O’reilly” — Or, as i affectionately refer to him as “BO” —
My dear S. notsobright.
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This explains everything. Now i understand the mentality that we are dealing with here.
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After all, even ultra conservative pendants – David Frum – are quoted as saying,
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“people who watch Fox news end up knowing less about the world around them then people who watch — no news at all — ”
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MppYLq7BYPc
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Case closed.
PS
Time to change the channel perhaps ? Oh and, take off that darn tin foil hat.
(You too Pierre) It doesn’t become you 🙂
But remember,
have a nice “misinformed” day eh 🙂
cory wrote: Thanks for raising the numbers of hits again on our Language Right’s Fight!
My pleasure! I often said I would like to help you guys in any way I can…….you need all the help you can get.
Again cory wrote: Unlike Quebec, I imagine, the choosing of French names for their businesses in NYC was entirely done so through their discretion and NO government involvement.
Just a reminder…..this is Ontario. As for your comment “no government involvement” if I remember correctly, that is what SG did setting the tone for the rest of Ontario. Putting the “caboche” to the nonsense is what SG did.
peter wrote: Do any of these businesses’ prohit the use of English?
Well peter……I don’t know of any business that would prohibit any language and that sunshine is reality. Even in Quebec City they treat the english with respect and that is a fact. Experienced it first hand.
again peter wrote: can any of them have “pasta” on the menu, not sure about that one, but being you like to bring up “penis rings” all the time, I am sure you wouldn’t have a problem there.
peter as far as restricting students, let me just say that the black students have their own schools. One I know of for sure is on Tuckahoe Rd. in Yonkers……..check it out. Perhaps you would be happier in NYC being you admire the country so much.
Yes…….one nation UNITED and STRONG where peace reigns supreme and where we are the envy of the world!!!!!
@ stella,
How come you never answer people’s questions , when they address the issues you bring up ??
@ stella
Are you still wasting people’s time with your anti-English rants ?
I read where you are tired of the English freedom fighters.
well, certainly no one is twisting your arm to read these comments.
just as Peter said, go to a french site and do your thing.
Why are we graced with your rethoric of hate and bias ??
Who needs it ??
@ stella
I thought you were tired of us stella ?
For someone who is fed up with us, you are sure attracted to posting here . Why ?
can you please name the businesses that have french names?
Or, is this another one of your made up rants ?
please don’t be a pierre, and look up wikapedia, any dork can do that , as he has already proved.
Also,I am sure that there are many, many french businesses in all parts of the U.S. What’s the big deal ?
Can you tell me if any of these establishmants have any sign restrictions on them, like quebec ?
Do they “language police” measuring letters ?
quebec city, oh, that’s the place where as you drive in it says. welcome to our nations’s capital, that quebec city?
Boy there’s a lot of repect right ??
Can you please tell me, what “pasta” and “penis rings ” have to do with black educational institutions in N.Y. state ?
“pasta” and “penis rings ” are the latest threat to the french language in quebec, according to the L’office de la screw les Anglais”
the use and display of these words are considered to be the next words that will bring down the french language , stella or didn’t you hear ?
stella, get with the programme,
@ pierre
oh pierre, pierre, still waiting for my responses to my posts march 4th. at 1:27p.m. and 8:11p.m.
How about it, tell us how your own people ( quebecois tachereau and duplessis ) were responsible for the betrayal of the quebecois .
Also, why are many francophes leaving quebec because of bill 101 ?
What legislature in the world passed “common sense ” laws as you claim?
Explain again what a defacto anglophone is please ??
Still waiting ,still waiting these were your comments pierre, we want ot know why you are afraid to answer these questions
Either you back up what you say, or simply don’t say it
still waiting pierre still waiting …!!!
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if these businesses actually exist , I will contact them, to see if they are as anti- English as the the government of quebec to their businesses.
@ stella
What are you trying to say, stella about English rights being respected in quebec, are you out of your mind ?
What respect ?
The English in quebec are on a daily basis discriminated against by the laws of quebec .
Bill 101, upcoming bill 14 and, people that think, and I use that term very loosely when applying it to you) like you .
If you believe that a government anywhere, any place can dictate a language, and culture you are crazier than ,even I thought.
Please refer to David Oldham’s post on the previous pages here.
quebec is a xenaphobic, ethnocentric anti-English and anti-democratic society, that hates the English
Para-medics, would rather risk a child’s life than speak English
English people have been attacked and threatened for speaking English in St. Lambert, a suburb of Montreal. You can fact check both of the above.
the government of quebec “encourages” the french to ,as Peter says, RAT OUT their neighbors to the L’office de la screw Les Anglais ” if they believe that English is seen .
This is what you call RESPECT stella. Well, if you believe this to be ok, then you and other francophones throughout Canada shuld be treated in the same manneras the English in quebec . Right ?
Or are you not going to answer this like your ally in arms pierre, who keeps ducking Peter’s questions and is afriad to confront the very issues he himself brought up ???
I just received a brochure for having business meetings in the Montreal area hotels through a professional magazine I receive.
Are they going to be banned from doing business in English as well, cause the whole brochure was in english, not one word of french, yet it was talking about the benefits of having conferences in Montreal in french hotels.
The french businesses cannot get round bill 101, or does it just apply to english businesses. I thought the french language was a sensitive issue, or is that only when it suits them
@ stephen
Take agood look at bill 101, Stephen.
then go to the sites and google in quebec language laws.
then google para-medic in montreal refues to speak english to a father of a sick 2 year old child.
On previous posts here, take along hard look at the links provided by edudyorlik and Eric, look at each very carefully, particularly edudyorlik’s posts and links and videos, extremely informative.
then by looking at these you get a pictiure of quebec in all its glory and how it treats the English in or out of business circles.
It is extremely ugly.
i would never, ever do any business in quebec under any circumstances.
ou have to go to “older comments” to access their links.
Do go, it is very revealing about quebec.
@ stella,
I have lived in NYC for years. I know it far better then you ever will.
I lived in forest hiils, and the lower east side of manhatten,
So, please don’t try to pretend that you have any knowledge about this city , other than what you have read.
Do you know the following:
Blarney rock pub, 7th. avenue an 33rd. street
Applebaum’s , up the street from Madison square gardens ?
The OTB on 29th street?
Ever heard of the empire state building on 34th. street?
What about the throgs neck bridege to Long Island ?
Battery Park stella, ever been there ?
How about coney island ?
Know where brighten beach is stella ?
how about queen’s where la guardia airport is as well as shea stadium are located ?
What about port authority? or do you even know what that is ?
Ever been to canal street, that’s in New York city’s chinatown ?
Ever been to mott street ? chinatown as well, stella
I know you will look it up on the net, maybe not, SINCE YOU DON’T DO RESEARCH ANYWAY RIGHT, STELLA BABY ??
Know what, new york state DOES NOT HAVE LANGUAGE LAWS like bill 101 And bill 14. stella
THEY RESPECT all languages , BUT ENGLISH RULES, AS IT SHOULD. bUT IF YOU ARE FRENCH YOU CAN PUT UP ANY SIGN YOU WANT.
OH hummm
Yonkers, that’s the best you can do ?
Gimmie a break, please use the analogy in the context for which it was meant.
Or, as usual, do you NOT UNDERSTAND ?????
@ pierre,
are you afraid to answer my posts to you?
@ stella,
yes canada’s dirity little secret, “the notwithstandinfg clause ‘ and
“the charter of no one’s rights”
pandering to the elitists french for no reason other than they are intimidated.
however, The English Canadian people are NOT INTIMIDATED by the french, never, were, never will
Does general Wolfe come to mind ??
..and now its hawkesbury’s turn. When will that community recognize the importance of both official languages and declare the town bilingual. Even though Hawkesbury is 80 % french, they should value the importance of its minorities and garantee that all the business signs are written in both official languages.
Richard tremblay, that would make a good letter to the editor, send it in for a proper airing.
76.5% speak English in Hawkesbury btw.
@Rosie
And I suppose that there is on every construction sign in all the cities of the ROC, Eh?
@ richard,
92% of Ontario is ENGLISH, and 82% of CANADA IS ENGLISH
Go to quebec, live there and vote “OUI” in the next referendum
get it through your head, we DO NOT WANT BILINGUALISM ANYWHERE IN ONTATIO
We WANT freedom to choose
Get out of Canada and and bonne chance.
like it or not, trudeau or not, french is a MINORITY
Understand this as well. WE do not want to pay taxes for bilingualism, when only 17 % of the country is bilingual
On the flip side richard, if quebec was completely bilingual, and scrapped bill 101 , then yes, bilinguaism after might have merit.
The English in Ontario, wants no part is restrictive laws that cater to the french, period
@ Rosie
The word french is missing on my previous post to you.
Why do you keep coming up with such insignificant questions, dear? Everybody knows that Québec is a francophone province.
so eric just because we as french canadians went though the effort of learning another language, that means you don’t have to.. c’est de la paresse mon homme.
Peter, statistics prove you wrong. Most recognize the importance of bilingualism in business. To shut off 7 million plus people, to tell them speak english or get out is un canadian. Some anglos not all say “speak to me english or don’t speak to me at all”, then they have the gall to complain when they don’t get the jobs they think they deserve. Moi, j’appelle ça des têtes dures…
QUEBECERS French and English want equality in Quebec ,the present Political party wishes to opt out of United Nations Human Rights policy.
Welcome to the Fascist state –
This video Is for you Stella when you say your imaginary friends say there is no problem with the oppressive language laws.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GlszP9l2UI
stellabystarlight
March 10, 2013 at 2:42 pm
“Just a reminder…..this is Ontario. As for your comment “no government involvement” if I remember correctly, that is what SG did setting the tone for the rest of Ontario. Putting the “caboche” to the nonsense is what SG did.”
Well Stella there is government involvement !Did you conveniently forget the Russell township with 4 communities and the ENFORCEMENT of bilingual business signs with fines similar to that of bill 101.
Now Stella those communities now DICTATE to private business to what languages they must provide on their signs -this is the same as bill 101 in QUEBEC
Bussiness owners should have a right to put whatever language they choose on their signs be it Italian /French /German it matter’s not ,it should still be up to the owner NOT THE STATE.
Coincidence I think not!
Oppressive Language Laws are driving business opportunities away.
Norbert Bedoucha
(Norbert) something tangible to consider… In the last 60 days business listings have increased 300%!!! This means that there are 3 times more businesses for SALE
Here is the breakdown;
60% restaurants
20% hotels/motels/inns
5% agricultural production & processing
15% commercial real estate
Value of those businesses approx 180 million
Probability of selling 30% due to a drastic decrease in business activity tied to the PQ.
Richard do you mean like certain paramedics and bus workers in Quebec?
@ C Cameron
The global slowdown is to blame in Canada and Ontario but not in Québec… In Québec, only, language laws and the PQ are responsible.
You are so open-minded, LOL
@ Admin
I asked before if all paramedics and bus drivers were bilingual in Cornwall or in the Roc…
Still waiting for an answer.
Why is it always back to Québec…we are in Ontario. I wish we french canadians had the same services anglos get in Québec. Put signs all in english first, then french follows in smaller smaller letters. I have no problem with that.
– Give a us just one french university in Ontario. We have none.
– the french language is in constant decline and the english language is keeps going up.
– anglos are roughly 78 % majority in Canada…to think that the english language is threatened is complete lunacy.
Pierre Ontario is not a bilingual province. There is of course a huge difference between not being able to speak the other language and choosing to speak the other language as was alleged in Quebec, right?
@ Stephen
Read from reliable sources and, in time, you’ll find answers to your questions.
My question, to you is. Do you have the open-mindedness of understand Québec’s language laws and their necessity and their very limited inpact of the english minority?