LTE: Chris Cameron of Cornwall Ontario – Bill 14 is A Canadian Human Rights tragedy!

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   @ pierre,

   I asked you to comment on my posts of march 4th. I am still waiting for an answer.

   i also asked him in subquebts pposts to answer and comment.

   still waiting pierr, still waiting ???

   perhaps we should all wait for pierre, to answer, my questions and comment on quebec history, before we address any thing he has to say.

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   Richard, it is back to Quebec for 3 reasons.
   1. this section of CFN is about Quebec
   2. about 20% of Francophones in Ontario are from Quebec
   3. that is where the political trading of language for voting comes from

   Learning another language or not has very little to do with being lazy compared to trying to stop this incessant push on a perceived need.

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   @ Admin
   Ontario is not a bilingual province but nor is Québec.
   I don’t mean to be smart, Admin, but I don’t understand the rest of your statement: ”Not understanding a Language and choosing to speak a language…”
   Anyways, if you meant the paramedic, in Montreal, that was questioned by the father could, but did not want speak english, presumably because he hates anglophone.
   That, I would say, is a tretch of some franco-hater’s imagination, and that you as a professional should, not be repeating, as if it was a fact.

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   @ admin

   I would not answer any of pierre’s questions until he comments and answers my posts of March 4th, and subsquent posts.

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   Richard Ottawa University all correspondence is in French first ,when you call its French first ,is that good enough or must no English be spoken.

   Pierre the global slowdown occurs slowly not over a 2 month period ,chose to remain blind Pierre.

   Richard stats Canada has indicated that there is no decline .
   Do not blame English for the decline in French ,but the lack of population growth,French needs to copulat more have more children and teach it to thier youth.

   The state should not be enforcing language laws that forces other cultures to learn French as its not part of thier culture this is called assimilation as well as social Engineering.

   I hear from many on your side that the French are being assimilated ,if so its by thier own choice .

   But as French being mandated for most government positions when clearly the majority of the population is not of French heritage this is government mandated assimilation.

   So who is really not having a choice on assimilation?

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   @ Richard…….yep they keep bringing up Quebec. You see Richard, they do not have the support they claim they have in Ontario……so they really have no choice but to get Quebec involved, otherwise, they would be lost and running in circles.

   The majority in Ontario do not really care about the laws in Quebec…..it does not affect us.

   I love how the big C blames the economy, company and business closures on language. All the problems in this world are caused by the french……I say it’s time for a revolution.

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   @ Richard Tremblay – Give a us just one french university in Ontario. We have none… ?????

   Ottawa U for one offers you everything you need.

   http://www.ontario.ca/education-and-training/french-language-institutions

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   @ Richard Tremblay
   J’espère que vous écrivez ici pour vous amuser et non pour changer les opinions de ces xénophobes.
   Salutations.

   @ others
   The percentage of the franco Ontarians population used to be much higher than it is now due mainly to assimilation. That can easily be checked out.
   French is also losing ground in Québec (stat. Can. 2011) because, mainly we have not been able to integrate many immigrants.
   A reason for that is, they do not see the necessity of speaking french because so many francophone speak english.
   There has been a small baby boom, in Québec, in the last few years.
   I hope francophone babies will learn to speak french properly before we teach them english.

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   Pierre it’s up to Francophone parents to teach their children. Could you imagine if you reversed it and an Anglophone from Quebec said I hope my baby learns to speak English before French?

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    @ ALL

    There is NO REASON whatsoever, for Canada to be bilingual. Period. This is ESPECIALLY TRUE IN ONTARIO as
    92 % of this province is ENGLISH. same goes for the city of Ottawa where 84% of the people are ENGLISH.

    the French use statistics for their benefit. So, here is a stat that people may want to mull over. In canada, 17% of the people are bilingual. Since 1969, bilingualism has cost the Candian taxpayer,
    an average of some 5 billion per year, and this is conservative.

    these costs, are for the labelling of products, training, schooling signage and on and on it goes…it covers just about everything therei s to cover across the board.

    Result 17% are bilingual, and this INCLUDES quebec. With quebec OUT of Canada( OH GOD I HOPE ITS TOMORROW) the percentage of bilingual people in Canada drops to an astounding 4%.

    So tell me agian , why is this nation so enamoured with bilingualism ? Why is it necessary ? If there is a threat to the french language, where is it? By whom ? and how come they have survived from their inception, prior to bill 101 and prior to the current bilingual policies. ?

    This is the biggest SCAM EVER PERPATRATED ON CANADA.
    The people who post here, that support bilingualism, are for the most part from eastern Ontario and quebec. I challenage them to go west of Prescott and see how bilingualism is accepted, or shunned.The rest of Canada, and this includes all of the maritimes, with the exception of N.B., and there, 70% of the people are anglophone, couldn’t care less about bilingualsim, and they resent paying money for a concept that has been ONLY 17% successful, and this is a number that is dropping.

    The only reason there any type of bilingualsim in Canada, is because quebec is still in Canada, ( albeit in name only ) and this is exremely unfortunate.

    The climate, culture and laws, in quebec are, as stated here many, many times, xenaphobic, ethnocentric anti-English and anti-deomcratic. Why to hell are they still part of this nation
    ( Canada) ?

    WE have talked this bilingual issue to death for hundred of years. Some problems ,simply have no solutions, and I believe this is one of them. So, lets be cultrually honest here, get quebec out and out fast. Then there would no reason to have a Canada with bilingual anything. The probelm would be gone, along with quebec.

    I fail to see what the big deal would be if quebec left. they would be happier, as we would and all that Nonsense, like the language police would be gone. Bilingualism in Canada would be gone. Each country would be finally free to pursue its cource without this albatross of bilingualism hanging around our neck’s.

    If quebec’s birth rate is falling, that is of no more concern to the anglophones of Canada than it would be to the francophones if tthe trend were reversed. If they( francophones ) are dwindling in numbers, for whatever reason, would I, or any other anglophone in Canada, care about these figures. Birth rates go up and they go down, as does populations. the french are not animals that are soon becoming extinct here.

    English populations throughout the many a century, have risen and fallen. However, french or English, neither group has been an ENDANGERED species.

    Which is why this idea of the quebecois and their population decrease is a SHAM AND should viewed as such.
    In any event quebec should go, they are going to go anyways, its only a matter of time.

    I hope when they go it is on Canada’s terms and peacefully, and very, very soon.

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    Never mind ethnocentric thinking on either side. I hope to one day see a Quebec and Ontario whereby people have the option of choice for any language they so desire and not to be forced or coerced into one or another or even both!

    Because as the commercial states:

    “FRENCH-LANGUAGE EDUCATION IN ONTARIO IS
    THE BEST CHOICE FOR YOUR CHILD’S FUTURE”

    Tell me this isn’t social engineering.

    We already have a language spoken by the majority of our citizenry in Ontario. Why is it that ‘French’ is the best choice?

    Here is it folks, straight from the website, http://www.elfontario.ca/en/campaign.html:

    “1.In 2006, francophones in Ontario earned close to $3,500 more than the total population when considering median employment income.

    Tell me now that one ethnicity is not catered to compared to all others.

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    “3.Smaller class size, hence greater personal attention.”

    Hymmmm, how is it that these French classes are permitted a smaller class size thereby allowing teachers to focus more on individual students?

    You see folks, if things were fair and equitable in Ontario, then you would have proportional funding for population and not the catering/increased funding that we have for French instruction that is garnered towards social engineering such as what we have now.

    What bothers me the most was not that the special interest groups are doing this but that there hasn’t been a backlash from any citizen’s groups. I guess 21st Century Canadians don’t mind being led to the slaughterhouse, then.

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    Well, we have a bilingual university, that’s it. And there are a few locations throughout ottawa U that you’ll have some trouble finding services in french. Granted if you wait long enough, you’ll get services in french, but you still have to wait a bit. But Québec offers more then one university to its anglophone population. So howard, you’re telling me to go out and copulate. Think I gave my friend howard too much credit.
    Admin, it is happening and at an alarming rate. In less then 5 years montreal will be a bilingual city and the french language will be a minority. I think those laws should be strengthened because they are obviously not working.

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    stella, I’m going to agree with you that we as a province should tackle more serious problems. At less then 1 % of Ontario’s budget, financially bilingual services make good sense.
    Pierre, absolument, je m’amuse.

    My father used to always say this and although it irritated me he was right. And, it applies to most posters out here and I think Pierre would agree. Savoir mal, c’est la pire des ignorances.

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    Peter I must admit that I just read the first few lines of your recent post and I’ll answer, come on…
    – last year the revenues for the federal government were roughly 258 billion. Although, if you look at the figures bilingualism costs were 2.4 billion, I will use your number. YOu are saying it costs 5 billion, that it 1.9 percent of the national budget. Are we bitching about 1.9 percent…or the true number is less then 1 percent of the national budget.
    – Lets tackle the true waste of dollars, billions on the wasted in self promotion on the canadian action plan.
    – billions wasted on planes that we are probably never going to get.
    – yet the government choses to do what they said they would not and dip their hand in the EI fund.

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    Here you go Richard….problem is you might have to share the hallways with some English speaking students..but you can be educated in French anywhere in Ontario…
    Study in French
    Ontario has:
    •two publicly funded French-language colleges
    •nine French-language and bilingual schools offering university programs.
    You can pursue college studies entirely in French,
    Collège Boréal (7 campuses) Sudbury, Ontario
    La Cité collégiale Ottawa, Ontario K1K 4R3
    Study in French at university
    You can pursue university studies entirely or partially in French.
    Université de Hearst Hearst, Ontario P0L 1N0
    Laurentian University
    Sudbury, Ontario P3E 2C6
    Northern Ontario School of Medicine
    University of Ottawa, Ottawa, Ontario K1N 6N5
    Saint Paul University, Ottawa, Ontario K1S 1C4
    Sudbury University, Sudbury, Ontario P3E 2C6
    Here’s a list of other postsecondary schools that offer French language education:
    Glendon Campus,Toronto, Ontario M4N 3M6
    Alfred Campus, University of Guelph, Alfred, Ontario K0B 1A0
    Dominican College,Ontario Institute for Studies in Education
    University of Toronto,Centre de recherches en éducation franco-ontarienne
    Royal Military College, Kingston, Ontario K7K 7B4
    Ontario-Quebec Health Study program
    A special program designed to:
    • train health professionals to deliver health services in French in Ontario
    • provide French-speaking Ontario students with more opportunities to pursue studies in French.

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    @ richard,

    Then go to a separte quebec, we DO NOT WANT BILINGUALISM.

    Please get out, now, and there will be no problems.
    When quebec becomes fully bilingual, and scrapes their racist ,anti-English, antii- democraitric laws, then may be we should “consider” bilingualism.

    Until then NEVER

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    @ richard,

    uinlike you and pierre I do my homework

    Please refer to the following ;

    Jim A. Smith : Canada’s nightmare. Its 1969 official languages act.

    By the way read my posts from march 4th. at 1:27p.m. and 8:11 p.m.

    thousands of quecbeois are leaving quebec “beacuse of bill 101”
    due to the fact they CANNOT get an Englsih education for their children. LIKE I SAID THEY HAVE “no choice”.
    this fact flies UNDER THE RADAR, because they fear they ( francophones ) will be branded as traitors by the rest of the quebecois. Please take a look at what to mayor Gendron of huntington quebec when he tried to do the “right thing ”

    I have also extensively researched the quebec history, only to discover that it was the likes of tachereau, duplessis, godbout , the catholic church, that HANDED OVER CONTROL TO THE ENGLISH, which resulted in English domination of the french until 1960.
    these french leaders “refused” to accept assistance and economic aid from Canada’s MacKenzie King to industralize quebec and bring it to speed with world at that time

    I can go into detail if you like, that is why I ask you read my posts from the dates mentioned and “subsequent” posts as well.

    it is why I continually ask pierre to comment and respond to my questioning as it was he who raised these issues.

    However, once he read my commentaries of those dates, he folded like a cheap deck chair.

    I guess he could not face the fact that it was the french themselves that were responsible for English domination, in quebec.

    I also pointed out ot him, that the second quebec nationalist, lionel L’abbe groulx, was extremely influencial in the lives of the first modern day separatists, ,Levesque, Parrizeau, Godin, Laurin, Burns, Charron, to name but a few.

    FYI: the first nationalist of quebec was Honore Mercier.

    So please richard, there is very, very little you or anyone else can tell me about my home province.

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    @ pierre,

    please address me personally, since you don’t have the guts, knowledge or wherewithall to answer posts on issues you yourself raised.

    typical of you and your ilk, to speak behind’s one back.

    Still waiting pierre, still waiting

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    @ Admin
    English parents all say they want their children to speak english before french. And that’s the way it should be… Caline de binne! man. Most anglos, in Québec, only learn French in school. The francophone kids are more bilingual than the anglo kids are, in this officially french province.
    Did’nt you say you had lived in Montreal?
    Did you sleep through your stay there or are you just playing devils advocate?

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    Richard tremblay
    March 11, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    “I will use your number. YOu are saying it costs 5 billion, that it 1.9 percent of the national budget. Are we bitching about 1.9 percent…or the true number is less then 1 percent of the national budget”

    Could you imagine all those other 200+ languages getting the same representation of money we would be bankrupt in no time!

    Now are there any other languages supported to the tune of billions?NO

    So why must a culture learn anothers are the expense of the majority?

    Assimilation works both ways -why must people learn a language that is not part of their culture like french learning English or The other 200+ cultures having to learn French to work in their own government ?

    For you Richard it only works one way right? what of the other 200 cultures in Canada ? my how ETHNOCENTRIC.

    Quebec has everything to do with the language inequities and many across the country are waking up to this!!!

    Pierre
    March 11, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    French is also losing ground in Québec (stat. Can. 2011) because, mainly we have not been able to integrate many immigrants.

    Did you actually look at those stats Pierre ?French spoken in Quebec is the highest in 50 years ,yet the PQ is in their scare mongering mode and now wants to strengthen their oppressing language laws with bill 14.

    Since when is it ethical to oppress ones rights to support a language ?
    Since when is it right to violate ones rights in the interest of anthers?
    Since when should the state violate the charter of rights by restricting freedom of expression?

    Ontario with 300% less francophones in Ontario then anglophones in Quebec provide more french services then Quebec does English services.

    Remember that all courts across Ontario must provide french services for that 4%!!!How much do you think that costs?

    How about Ontario spending 745 million ++++ for bilingualism and Quebec spends 50 million,so Ontario spends 1300% more then Quebec yet Quebec has 1.4 million anglophones and Ontario has 450,000 Francophone ‘s.
    Completely disproportionate!!!!!! ***smile*** -oh yes there are 700+ francophone groups sponsored by federal and provincial funding yet 3 anglophone groups.

    So where is really the assimilation here ?

    Richard tremblay
    March 11, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    –” Lets tackle the true waste of dollars, billions on the wasted in self promotion on the canadian action plan.
    – billions wasted on planes that we are probably never going to get.”

    You are pandering to one political group ,all political parties in the past have their discretion’s.
    Do you remember when the liberal party cancelled the purchase the helicopters that were to replace the sea kings -that cost us billions FOR NOTHING !!

    Provincially the lieberals have cancelled gas plant contracts at an estimated over a billion ,don’t forget the e-health boondoggle that now is estimated at 2 billion .
    What of the Orange ambulance how much was REALLY wasted there.
    The list goes on for the lieberal government .

    What disgusted me the most of the lieberals was the freezing of social benefits and some scaling back for
    of payments in the interest of costs savings yet the bilingual budget was not reduced in fact it had been increased .
    Therefore it was more important to push for their french bilingual agenda then it was to put food in the mouths of the disadvantaged.

    So is it more important to push for language services then to house and feed the disadvantaged so Richard ,Stella,Pierre do agree that to be right?Priorities you know!!!!!

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    Does anybody remember Maslow’s Hierarchy of needs :

    http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

    So Richard ,Pierre and Stella where does language fit in the importance of needs ?

    So why would the Lieberal government reduce funding to social programs that fall in the basic needs category ,yet increase funding to bilingualism?

    This remains a warped form of socialism,but the liberals prefer to spend money on social engineering!

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    Howard the liberals haven’t been in power federally for 7 years…7 years. WHen they did dare to touch the EI fund, they lost almost all their seats in the maritimes. So what you’re saying is because 7 years ago some liberals wasted money, its ok if stephen harper does the same today. Provincially the liberals have done alot, and I mean alot of gaffes. BUt, look at the alternative, Tim Hudak. A Harris clone that would have had all the public sector on strike, had the prisoners in work programs, and he would cut taxes while we are in a deficit. Howard again I’ll repeat, 1 % of the buget for 21 % of the population. That seems fair to me.
    – SOmeone quoted Jim Smith, but I think you meant jim s allan. A man I would not let balance my check book. The man has been contested on his numbers in the education field for a while. Just google his name see what comes up, the language fairness site and cornwall free news. A blog on alleged language fairness and a blog on news that dislikes bob kilger.

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    HEY STELLA – History does suggest that the French love a great revolution. Got to get back and finish my cake . Ciao for now

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    @ richard,

    Like I staed previously,

    We want choice, unlike quebec, where the Englsih are castiongated just for being English.

    So, richard, if you, and others are so enamoured withe the french laws and this evidently appeals to you, as reflected by your posts, then go there.

    You may have all of the french universities you like as well all other french institutions that are there.

    In Ontario, 92% of the population is Englsih, and 78% of Canada, is English.

    We have. NO DESIRE OR NEED to be bilingual. Simple.

    We also resent PAYING for an unecessary concept, that has been a blatent failure from the start.
    If you want more french et al. go to quebec. We want English .
    Better yet, I would love to see quebec go. That way bilingualism would not be neded anywhere in Canada.

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    Richard ,Stella and Pierre the separatist you did not answer this question:

    “So is it more important to push for language services then to house and feed the disadvantaged so Richard ,Stella,Pierre do agree that to be right?”

    http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

    “Howard the liberals haven’t been in power federally for 7 years…7 years. WHen they did dare to touch the EI fund, they lost almost all their seats in the maritimes.”

    -Once again I am not Howard ,but let me tell you this it was the sponsorship scandal and numerous others that had the lieberals lose all those seats.

    Pierre
    March 11, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    “Most anglos, in Québec, only learn French in school. The francophone kids are more bilingual than the anglo kids are, in this officially french province.”

    Now the English kids learn french in school you say ,yet the only exposure to English the french Kids get is in grade 6 with minimum exposure .Yet you say the French kids are more bilingual then then anglo kids?
    Something doesn’t compute here !!!! The English children are enrolled in french much earlier(as mandated by legislation) then the french children do for English and get much more exposure to the french language then the French do for English.

    Quebec has stated it is not interested in bilingualism as stated above:

    “The language policy shall specify the conditions and circumstances in which a language other than French may be used in accordance with the act, while emphasizing the importance of setting an example and of PREVENTING WIDESPREAD INSTITUTIONAL BILINGUALISM.”

    Therefore the state prefers their children not to be bilingual as this is a great way of keeping the masses “CONTROLLED”much as the Priests in the past as the Priests encouraged many children and not an education .

    It is easier to control a population that is not educated or informed.

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    Any one who wishes to know thecost of bilingualism, there is another article in the nationla post

    This is by Katheryn Blaze Carlson.; official bilingualism costs 2,4 billion per year.

    Thsi is FEDERAL government spending there are costs as well that are not downloaded to the provinces that agian are picked up by taxpayers.

    In addition, canadisn provines spent approximatly $1275. per minority. outside of quebc. quebec, spends $85.00

    Quite a contrast.

    @ richard.

    Even if the feds spend one penny on bilingualism, it is one penny too much. This spending is “because ” quebec” is in Canada, and quite frankly, does not deserve to be in Canada, given their treatment of the anglophones, and their anti- English, anti- democratic, xenaphobic laws that they embrace. So, please don’t say this is not a lot of money.

    if I had my way, bilingualism, and quebec would be gone. In any event they will be gone in the future, thank God.

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    @ Pierre

    Pierre, you asked me if i had the open mindedness to understand Quebecs language laws and their limited impact on English.

    Pierre, i have read them, and i have also read the history of Gaul before and after it was overrun by the Franks. I was educated not in Canada, therefore my level of education was not as one sided on either side. I was fluent in French until i left school, where it was impossible to speak French, because France as a country was too expensive to vacation in, and the only other options were Congo, Mali, Morocco and Benin.
    I have no understanding of French now, and therefore find it next to impossible to drive in Quebec, as their language laws are an accident waiting to happen just for driving.
    Market forces will decide if people require to speak only French in Quebec, much like the motherland, where native French is spoken but everybody speaks English. They have no government requirements to ensure that French is spoken in business.
    When i look at the Quebec example and compare it to the aftermath of the last battle fought on UK soil, which had a direct impact on Quebec, as the brave highlanders only fought for General Wolfe, because he had saved their clan chief, i have to say that the numpties (idiots) that govern Quebec do not know when they have had it so good, so they should be grateful to the British, rather than constantly complain.
    Compare – Plains of Abraham – French defeated – allowed to stay and prosper – allowed to Je me Souviens non regarding the Plains of Abraham, so there really was not a battle there, provided millions in transfer payments so that the Anglos could assuage their collective guilt of beating the French (no easy feat as history has shown) versus
    Battle of Culloden – statue of the victor put up, language removed, people removed (why Canada became industrial), land burned. And that was in a Country and a Nation, by International law not by wish.
    Now which place is doing better, with native language still spoken, and written, popularity of the language on the increase, dual signage for businesses and tourists, but from a business perspective not mandated – it just makes sense.

    So to conclude, French should stand and fall by its own merits, not artificially bolstered by people that do not have the common courtesy to realize that they were well beaten but were provided with the tools to make a good living.
    I for one would rather they took the funds that are used to ensure that Canada has to be bilingual, and give them to the Canadian forces, in order that our troops are sufficiently provided for, when they are tasked with fulfilling the Canadian Government mandate, rather than making sure that people with a huge chip on their shoulder are made to feel more important than they should.

    I for one, will never vacation in Quebec if Bill 14 is passed, as it makes a mockery of Human Rights.

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    Here ‘s the facts
    The number of french speakers is the highest in fifty years mainly because of the growth of the population. There is no argument there, but there has been a slight drop in recent years, 1/2%.
    The bigger worry of anglicisation is that although many anglos are learning French many francophones are learning English. That’s looks good on the surface, but the problem is that anglos become more bilingual in areas where there are fewer francophones and less bilingual where there are many, thus more anglicisation.
    This is also proof that francophones are more courteous than their anglo neighbors.

    What does not compute is your information center (brain), Highlander.
    French kids start english lessons in the first grade too.
    We’ve talked before, about the french kids learning english in the 6th grade by having english only (all the courses) for half that year.
    But, the PQ had to drop that measure, for lack of bilingual teachers.
    Nothing of the sort was ever imposed on the english kids.
    Only in your nighmares has Québec ever stated that it is not interested in bilingualism.
    @ Rosie
    There is a problem with very young francophone and anglophone students sharing the same school bus because of the anglicisation of the french kids. The problem is not so grave with older, university or college students. I believe that it was pointed out that Ontario students, french and english, have to share highschools, colleges and universities, was to point out, just how good anglophone students, have it in la Belle Province.
    Tell me Rosie, because I have a theory on this, Why is it so difficult for you(s) to admit the obvious? Why do you work so hard to dig out bits of info that bilingualism is too expensive? Do you think that Canadians are dummies who need you to tell them the cost of bilingualism?
    The fact is Rosie, that a great majority of Canadians, for whatever reason, embrace bilingualism.
    Can. 72%, QC. 91%, Atl. 77%, On. 66%, Mb/Sk. 66%, Ab. 58%, BC. 68%.
    And the younger Canadians are the more they embrace bilingualism.

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    So Peter to save money, you’re saying that Québec does not belong in Canada. Well then I’ll use your logic, to save money lets get rid of handicap people, parkings, wheelchairs, elevators are too expensive, lets get rid of them. Lets get rid of aboriginals, they cost too much.. everything in english…just english. Lets use that same logic and add that since whites are in the majority, lets hire just white anglo protestants for high paying jobs. Ridiculous isn’t.

    I’m a canadian believing in one nation, indivisible, with the notion that our country is multicultural. YOu make concessions to please others, and some will make concessions to please you. Not doing that is just plain selfish.

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    And another thing. How about the disfunctionality of quebec itself.

    it has the 5th. largest deficit in the world. It has some of the wrost roads on earth. The S.Q. ( surete quebec , or provinical police ) are the rudest most anti-English police in the nation.

    The Montreal transit employees, are the same. This must really go over well with tourists. How about the fact that quebec leads the league in construction corruption and that 3 quebec mayors, including Montreal’s, had to resign because of this.

    What about a city that says thank you to its former Montreal canadians captian, Saku Koivu, by booing him because he was not french enough. But Saku Koivu, was french enough to lend his name , time and support to the cancer patients in quebec, boy were they grateful weren’t they. The same can be said for former coach Randy Cunneyworth.

    What about the threats in quebec city if the re-inactment of the plains of abraham took place. Are They are now going to deny
    History. How about the reception they gave members of the royal family, Prince William nad the duchess of Kent, his wife. They were met by boos and characterized as the enemy. What about during the 400 th, anniversary of quebec city the booing of Paul Mc Cartney, because he was British and sang in English.

    Feel free for anyone else to add to this list. These are incidents that come off the top of my head. Imagine how many I could come up with if I really Thought about thiings.

    So, if bilingualism comes to a town near you, in Ontario, I wanted all of you to take a look at the future, through the eyes of the french in quebec, because I believe that the french in Ontario are far, far worse.

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    peter wrote: We have. NO DESIRE OR NEED to be bilingual. Simple.

    That is the reason why the english freedom fighters are crying today. They have made the wrong choice by not learning french, one of the official languages of this country. SIMPLE.

    peter, I hate to rain on your parade, but I doubt you will ever see Quebec separate in your lifetime.

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    @ stella,

    I am so glad you have said that I will never see quebec separate in my lifetime

    You have yet to be right about anything you have said yet.

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    To me Québec can’t separate, although at times I don’t blame them. It’s like living ripping off your own arm, not possible. The language laws aren’t very restrictive, they are not working. Like i said before they need to be strengthened so that assimilation is exterminated. Bill 101 only slows it down, barely. And to be perfectly honest at 78 % majority in canada, anglos have as much to worry about losing their language and culture as bill gates has of going broke.

35. 

    Spera, the re enactment was just pure provocation, you have all people should know that. I saw paul mccartney sing, out of thousands and thousands of people, saw it live. I only remember the cheering.

    Prince william speaks near perfect french. His grammar is impeccable, very respectful of french canadians. By learning french he the importance of the culture and its richness.

    Now some say we just want choice and you have it. you don’t have to learn french BUT, don’t apply for a bilingual job position when you’re not. And, don’t dismiss the more then 7 million people across this great nation that have as much rights as you to be served in french by their own government.

36. 

    @ stella,

    You never rain on my parade stella. I simply won’t allow it

    Your comments are sent far and wide throughout Canada to my friends that have a healthy disrespect for all that you rant about.

    You, like pierre, are showcased as being the poster boy and poster girl, for all that is disfunctional in canada.

    it shows canadians why quebec should separate, and why bilingualism , like quebec is a cancer Canada has to remove, and will, with your help stella.

    Yours posts are the fuel that ignites the fuse to blow up bilingualism and remove quebec from Canada.

37. 

    Pierre, find me a post where I mention the cost of bilingualism…I would not have done this for the simple reason that I do not know the answer. All I know is that there is no money, and when there is no money, you do without or you learn to share. And with the list of universities, colleges that Ontario offers for French education, why is this not okay.
    And when you say that anglophone students have it so good in Quebec…could this be the reason they are not the ones protesting…maybe they do indeed have it better, enlighten me.

38. 

    @ Richard. “And to be perfectly honest at 78 % majority in canada, anglos have as much to worry about losing their language and culture as bill gates has of going broke”

    Then what the heck is wrong with Quebec
    “About 80% of Quebec’s population are native francophones, and 95% of the population speak French as their first or second language”

39. 

    @ richard

    I am seriously thinking of taking up residence in quebec, just so I can vote OUI in the next referendum

    Please, richard, don’t let us stop you from encouraging quebeckers to vote oui and ,finally get out of Canada.

    Don’t let the door hit you on the as- on the way out.
    it is painfully obvious that quebec will go. When is another question.

    however, if there is anything I , or any other PATRIOTIC CANADIANS can do to expedite quebec leaving, just let me know.

    I am all for it. You then richard, would have no fear of aasimilation, no fear of getting any and all servics in french, utopia for the french and queebc. You and queebc can launch the quebec franc, have all that you desire in your very own 7 million strong country., and richard boone chance.

    WE in Canada, can finally get the albratross of bilingualism from around our necks , off our necks. Our country Canada, can give jobs back to where they rightfully belong, the English of canada. We can save on bilingual costs, labelling, packaging, training, border security, etc. etc. etc. that we don’t need or want.

    Go quebec go, and the quicker the better.

    Please if there is anything I can do to speed up quebec getting out of my country , do not hesitate to let me know.

40. 

    @ rosie and Stephen

    great posts

41. 

    Pierre
    March 12, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Only in your nighmares has Québec ever stated that it is not interested in bilingualism.

    In bill 14 this statement is said numerous times :
    -ref#32 ” The language policy shall specify the conditions and circumstances in which a language other than French may be used in accordance with the act, while emphasizing the importance of setting an example and of PREVENTING WIDESPREAD INSTITUTIONAL BILINGUALISM.”

    Have you read bill 14 ? This has been stated numerous times in bill 14 and as well in bill 101 -It may be in my nightmare but its the truth you continue to deny !!

    “There is a problem with very young francophone and anglophone students sharing the same school bus because of the anglicisation of the french kids.”

    -So now you admit you believe in segregation of students on buses,what next separate drinking fountains and washrooms?
    There you go again blaming the English and treating them as outcasts-ETHNOCENTRIC .

    If you state that The fascist province believes 91% in bilingual ,why does it state no institutional bilingualism in Quebec?

    Richard tremblay
    March 12, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    “Lets use that same logic and add that since whites are in the majority, lets hire just white anglo protestants for high paying jobs. Ridiculous isn’t.”

    English speaking persons are the majority and they are from 200+ cultures not just Anglo protestants -by my how racially biased that statement was.

    I guess lets hire French catholic for those high paying jobs right?

    We are a culturally diverse Country Richard whether you like it or not and I am starting to think its the latter for you.

    Geez welcome to the neo Natzi called the Quebecois ,Richard Canada is not Home to just French but 200+ cultures who speak a variety of diverse languages should not all languages get the same respect and monies as French?

    Should those diverse cultures have to learn French and lose their own culture for government opportunities?

    So another culture must learn French for those opportunities and be assimilated because that is what it is!

    Because yes doing that would be plain selfish!!!!!!

    stellabystarlight
    March 12, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    “That is the reason why the english freedom fighters are crying today. They have made the wrong choice by not learning french, one of the official languages of this country. SIMPLE.”

    Why is it the wrong choice not to have french ?ETHNOCENTRIC you separatist .

    The people have never had the opportunity to vote on bilingualism -why not ?put it to a vote Stella and folks let democracy prevail rather then the interests of certain political party of which their voter base is in Quebec.

    We need a referendum to let the people vote on such an important issue that effects peoples livelihoods.

    “peter, I hate to rain on your parade, but I doubt you will ever see Quebec separate in your lifetime.”

    Your right there !!Its akin to the welfare recipient having not worked in 50+ years saying they will get a job tomorrow and get off the system.
    Quebec has become the welfare state and it is used to its entitlements ,they could never ,ever survive without Canada footing their bills.

    spera
    March 12, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Yes spera welcome to la racist province where the new neo Natzi’s exist -the fascist province has followed Hitlers teachings on cultural supremacy rather well ,now the fascist government is about to change the history books to suit their ideologies-what next? book burning’s that don’t fit in their ideologies?

42. 

    Richard tremblay
    March 12, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    “The language laws aren’t very restrictive, they are not working. Like i said before they need to be strengthened so that assimilation is exterminated.”

    No language laws should be restrictive -ITS THE CHOICE OF THE PEOPLE NOT THE STATE WHICH LANGUAGE THEY CHOOSE TO SPEAK!

    Assimilation is a 2 way street -why should people not of french heritage have to learn french through legislated assimilation?

    How do you exterminate assimilation?those are truly harsh words and reeks of Ethnocentrism are peoples to be segregated not by thier choice.

    Are you advocating segregation again Richard ,what of the 2 founding languages -that’s right its only one your concerned with (ETHNOCENTRIC).
    You truly sicken me with your behavior and comments ,YOU do know there is more then one culture in Canada don’t you?

    Richard tremblay
    March 12, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    ” you don’t have to learn french BUT, don’t apply for a bilingual job position when you’re not. And, don’t dismiss the more then 7 million people across this great nation that have as much rights as you to be served in french by their own government.”

    22% of the population of Canada is french OK we get that but why is 65% of all federal government jobs (300%) above the needs to provide that service -THATS CALLED SOCIAL ENGINEERING .

    I agree that the law indicates service must be provided but why not a fair, measurable as well as equitable way like representation by population?

    So french in Quebec are not to be assimilated with English but the English in the rest of Canada must be assimilated to learn French?

    We have no right to assimilate french in Quebec as french has no right to assimilate the English.So Richard you say it is wrong to assimilate the french what about the English to french ?

43. 

    Stuff like this happens every day in Quebec :

    Dictionary definitions of xenophobia include: deep-rooted, irrational hatred towards foreigners (Oxford English Dictionary; OED), unreasonable fear or hatred of the unfamiliar.(Webster’s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xqqnzDAp24I

44. 

    Will the federal government stand up for for minority English rights in Quebec?
    The feds have through diplomatic measures have defended other minorities outside of Canada so why not within its own borders ?

    http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/news/868018287001/quebec-language-lunacy/2203550435001

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    @ Stephen
    I’m sorry you were’nt educated in Canada as you would probably have a different opinion about our history.
    I’m no historian but I can assure that (your) view of canadian history is that of extremist canadians (such as those who post here) and not that of the majority of anglophones. Just ask Stella of Ed, two moderate anglo canadians, if they see Canadian history as do these extremists, or as I do?

    Here are some of my thoughts on canadian history.
    Sure, Moncalm lost to Wolfe and France did sign of on Nouvelle- France and it became a British colony.
    The extremists would have you believe that it was out of the goodness of it’s heart that the British allowed the Canadians to keep their language, their religion and their laws, but facts tell a different story. The Americans where also gunning for the territory and the British needed the help of the Canadians and their friends the Indians if they were to keep this new land.
    The version of British kindness does not hold water, especially when we understand the hate that the British and French had for one another, at that time. Remember that on their way from Gaspé to Québec the British had burned the villages and raped the women while the men were away working in the fields.
    I really try to understand your version of the the battle of the Plains of Abraham, but I cannot because, it’s like nothing I’ve ever read and I’ve read it from Anglo and Franco sources.
    Sounds like pure unadulterated rubbish to me.
    Sure there is a minority of extremists in Québec, who can’t get over the loss of the battle of the Plains but, as I said before, they’re just a minority.
    I wish we could put all the extremists together in a field and let
    them relive the past and hate and fight together while the reasonable citizens of this country continue to live together side by side, while respecting and building on each others differences.

    Oh, LOL! The Canadian Government does not make transfer payments to Québec so the anglos could assuade their collective guilt for beating the French
    Transfer payments are basically money that the federal over taxed and gives back to all the provinces and territories, for them to, provide the services.
    Equalisation payments are somewhat different as only the poorer provinces get those. they are calculated following a specific formula and Québec, while it gets the biggest share, because of it’s big population, only gets it’s fair share.
    Québec sent 58B to Ottawa, in 2011 and got back 17B

    Well informed and fair minded Canadians understand, that the province of Canada getting it’s independance from Britian did not make Québec, a colony of the ROC.
    Québec as nothing to apologize for.
    Don’t come to Québec, stephen. You’re not the kind of anglo that most Canadians like.

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    @ spara
    You are a gilt to humanity.
    The SQ is not the canadian provincial police that beat aboriginals to death.
    Québec does not have the 5th largest deficit in the world. That’s a lie.
    Ottawa bus drivers have made the news more often, last year, than Montreal’s for bad behaviour.
    Montréal is cleaning up it’s corruption. Did you not ear that the mafia is more powerful and incrusted in Toronto than it is in Montréal… A more dangerous family.
    Montrealers loved Koivu but some did believe that he should have made a little effort to learn a little bit of french, in all those years. But he joked about it when he left and we all laughted. Good man!
    The bad response to the reenactment of the battle of the Plains of Abraham was from a very small of Québec extremists, just like you(s) are. Only they are more educated.
    Randy Cunningworth was a coach’s assistant and did not have the qualifications to be coach. He was let go but it had nothing to do with language. He was just a transitional coach.
    Just as many Québécois love the Royal Family as Canadians do. Again if there was any disrespect it was from that handful of extremists.
    An other lie, spara. You should really be ashamed. Paul McCarty did speak french, He said: ” Hey la gang, comment ça va? On va avoir du fun!
    He said that he loved Québec, and Québec loves him.

    Words have to come off the top of your head, spara… As there is nothing in it… Lots of hate in your heart, though.

47. 

    @ Rosie
    I’m glad to ear you say that you don’t want to speak of things you know nothing about. A very rare occurence on this blog.
    But, most of your clan blackballs bilingualism, because of it’s cost. If you don’t share that opinion, I’m sorry, I should not have included you, in that generalizes opinion…
    Now can you answer the question, I asked you, in that post?

48. 

    @ richard

    move to quebec, help them separate, no assimilation richard

    Case closed.

    you and quebecois will forge marriage made in french heaven

49. 

    @Rosie RE: post on March 11, 2013 at 7:13 pm.
    Good stat work Rosie 🙂

    @Highlander. Great post.
    I also appreciated the post on March 12, 2013 at 6:34 pm which had the info re: Some wording in bill 14 as I haven’t read it yet.

    @ spera RE: post on March 12, 2013 at 4:08 pm. Great list spera. I have collected newspaper clippings, video clips and radio spots pertaining to all these stories. Each time something new happens I think to myself. It couldn’t get any worse, they couldn’t be any worse arses than that and, you know what? They usually prove that they can be.
    You are also right. The French in Ontario are worse. They “pretend” they want bilingualism because it would be too abrupt to come right out and say what they’re really after, which is French only.

    But, as soon as they get a foot hold in any institution or area (Ottawa University, Montfort hospital, le quartier de Vanier, Rockland etc etc)

    the “pretend idea” of bilingualism goes right out the window and it becomes what it was intended to be in the first place. Either French first / French dominant or French ONLY.

    You have to check out my new video/rant. It’s sort of on this topic and I just finished it. Should be posted by tomorrow (Wednesday).

    @Richard tremblay RE: post on March 12, 2013 at 5:42 pm
    Richard wrote, “the re enactment was just pure provocation.”
    Only someone of your limited sense of wherewithal would even conceive of referring to a planned re-enactment of an historic Canadian battle as “pure provocative.”
    I have news for you Richard… The actual battle did happen and ya know what? The French lost. You can’t change history so I guess that reality is “provocative also eh? And likely too much to bare eh ?

    Oh and PS. How did they stop the re-enactment? Threats of violence against innocent women and children who had nothing to do with the actual battle. They are just people who enjoy doing that kind of thing. Figures… Common French thugs…

    @peter RE: post on March 12, 2013 at 6:28 pm
    I’m ALL in too…

50. 

    Just a few corrective notes, I won’t correct them all through lack of time, I can’t
    – I saw Saku Koivu’s comeback after his long cancer treatments. He wasn’t booed at all, he got a standing ovation.
    -je suis d’accord avec toi pierre, xénophobe, bien il en a beaucoup dans ce blog.
    – Saw paul mccartney in Québec, in Montreal and in Toronto. He speaks fluent french and in Montreal he gave it a heck of an effort in french. A lot better then Preston Manning did.
    – My friend howards claim that anglos are being assimilated in Québec is a farce. Howard believes that since most francophones get by in english and are almost all fully bilingual, well that means most anglos don’t have to learn french.
    – Francophones remind me of the little town of Astérix and Obélix. Even though they are surrounded by a lot of gaulois (anglos), their potion magique ( le français) is still working….for now..