Champlain LHIN Gives Thumbs Up to Sale of CGH in Cornwall Ontario – Will You Sign the Petition to Block the Sale Until Proper Public Consultations?

Champlain LHIN Gives Thumbs Up to Sale of CGH in Cornwall Ontario – Will You Sign the Petition to Block the Sale Until Proper Public Consultations?

2nd HospitalCFN – While the Cornwall Citizens Coalition lobbied Council last night the Champlain LHIN gave it’s thumb’s up to approve the current offer on the table.

CFN received the following confirmation:

The LHIN has received a business case from the hospital which does outline an offer to purchase the former Cornwall General Hospital. The LHIN has completed its review and is supportive of the business case. The business case has been referred to the Ministry of Health and Long Term Care for further review and approval.

While the finger pointing can be endless what disturbs this scribbler most is that there was no real public consultation about the future of the facility.

Even council spurts out inaccurate information in discussing the details.  The mayor’s statement about not being married to the Hospital clearly shows a bias that should impeach him from the discussion, and the real decisions as we see from the quote above are not Cornwall decisions, but by bureaucrats and politicians outside our region.

The Champlain LHIN has nobody from Cornwall on its board.  The closest board member being from l’Original, and of course Minster Deb Matthews will be making her decision from Queen’s Park in Toronto.

We are going to add a new petition in the hopes that in a very short period of time the ministry can see that people do not want this hospital being dumped as a community resource until the community has had a voice in the process.

We the people of Cornwall, Akwesasne, & SD&G Request that the Cornwall General Hospital Not be Sold Until There Have Been Proper Public Consultations.

This petition is now closed.

End date: Jun 13, 2013

Signatures collected: 89

Signature goal: 250

89 signatures


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89 R J Benoit Cornwall Apr 16, 2013
88 Robert Katz Cornwall Apr 09, 2013
87 Suzanne Cowden Cornwall Apr 09, 2013
86 Carrie Buttigieg Cornwall Apr 06, 2013
85 Irene Allen Cornwall Apr 04, 2013
84 Bruno St-Denis Cornwall Apr 03, 2013
83 Carol Escobar Cornwall Apr 01, 2013
82 Steven Forrest Cornwall Apr 01, 2013
81 Andre Larocque Cornwall Apr 01, 2013
80 Nicole Bourgon-Pilon Cornwall Apr 01, 2013
79 Shirley Wood Cornwall Apr 01, 2013
78 Gerald Wood Cornwall Apr 01, 2013
77 Barbara Lafrance Cornwall Mar 31, 2013
76 Richard Komorowski Cornwall Mar 30, 2013
75 Jessica Latimer Cornwall Mar 29, 2013
74 Bridget michaud cornwall Mar 28, 2013
73 Manon Thompson Cornwall, ON Mar 28, 2013
72 Jennifer Buell Cornwall Mar 28, 2013
71 Kesmala Khananthai Cornwall Mar 28, 2013
70 Donna Benedict Cornwall Mar 28, 2013
69 Brian Lessard Cornwall Mar 28, 2013
68 Alain D’Aoust Cornwall Mar 28, 2013
67 Ian Wilson cornwall Mar 27, 2013
66 Celise Pyatte Kingston Mar 27, 2013
65 Robin Duperron Cornwall Mar 27, 2013
64 Kyle LeClair Cornwall Mar 27, 2013
63 deidre taylor cornwall Mar 27, 2013
62 Clayton Arcand cornwall Mar 27, 2013
61 Stacey Watters cornwall Mar 27, 2013
60 leo hanton cornwall Mar 27, 2013
59 evan sawatis cornwall Mar 27, 2013
58 Dawn Ford Cornwall Mar 27, 2013
57 Joy Ann El-Khouri Ottawa Mar 27, 2013
56 Joshua Merpaw Cornwall Mar 27, 2013
55 Julie Duchesne Cornwall Mar 27, 2013
54 Nicholson Suzanne Hanmer on Mar 27, 2013
53 Christopher Cameron Cornwall Mar 27, 2013
52 godfrey leduc cornwall Mar 27, 2013
51 Constance Horbas cornwall Mar 27, 2013
50 William E Beattie Cornwall Mar 27, 2013
49 Donna Robinson Cornwall Mar 27, 2013
48 Laszlo Szekely Cornwall Mar 27, 2013
47 bonnie destounis montreal Mar 27, 2013
46 Brent & Carol Coffey Cornwall Mar 27, 2013
45 carol wills ottawa Mar 27, 2013
44 Lin Bertrand Cornwall Mar 27, 2013
43 Dave Windsor cornwall Mar 27, 2013
42 Helene A Lynch Cornwall Mar 27, 2013
41 Richard Lynch cornwall Mar 27, 2013
40 nathanael newton cornwall Mar 27, 2013
39 Josh Welsh Cornwall, ON Mar 26, 2013
38 Bill Kielec Long Sault Mar 26, 2013
37 Helene Paquin Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
36 Mark Walker Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
35 Michael Iwachniuk Carleton Place Mar 26, 2013
34 Charles Branchaud Long Sault Mar 26, 2013
33 Laurie Branchaud Long Sault Mar 26, 2013
32 Deidre Martin Mar 26, 2013
31 cory mitchell cornwall Mar 26, 2013
30 Laura Field Ottawa Mar 26, 2013
29 ANNE GILBERT cornwall Mar 26, 2013
28 Barry Trudell Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
27 Kevin Patrick Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
26 Kristine Picken Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
25 David Oldham Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
24 Gary Samler Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
23 Ryan Guindon Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
22 Bill LaSalle Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
21 Clifford Stork Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
20 Deborah Cameron Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
19 L Reynolds Monkland Mar 26, 2013
18 bob mcgillivray cornwall Mar 26, 2013
17 Tammy Fortier Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
16 Dave Branchaud Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
15 Reg Coffey Ingleside Mar 26, 2013
14 Jim Marshall Cornwall, ON Mar 26, 2013
13 Pride Rosenkranz Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
12 Marc Pilote Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
11 Renee Villeneuve Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
10 Amy Karelse Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
9 elizabeth leduc cornwall Mar 26, 2013
8 WILLIAM. PARISIEN CORNWALL Mar 26, 2013
7 Gailand Poapst Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
6 David Murray Cornwall, ON Mar 26, 2013
5 mary bray cornwall Mar 26, 2013
4 Brock Kirkman Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
3 Lise LEcuyer Cornwall Mar 26, 2013
2 Bob Noble Ingleside Mar 26, 2013
1 Jamie Gilcig Cornwall Mar 26, 2013

The Cornwall Citizens Coalition presented to Council Monday March 25th and as you can see from the video below it was an odd mixed message from Council even though voted unanimously to support a report from Management on the subject, but the question remains to be seen if this was simply too little too late.

You can post your comments below and please share the petition if you want to try and save the facility for the community.

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44 Comments on "Champlain LHIN Gives Thumbs Up to Sale of CGH in Cornwall Ontario – Will You Sign the Petition to Block the Sale Until Proper Public Consultations?"

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Simon
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I’d like to see the names of Cornwall City Council members on this petition.

jules
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I can’t sign it since I live in Ottawa but I do say that it was a nice gesture of Dr. Tumbler of purchasing the building but if he is the one who purchased it then it would become private and very few people would be able to afford it. One thing is that I was happy to see that it was someone from the community that put a bid on it. I listened to the council meeting and yes it would take a lot of money to knock down the old nurses residence and bring the place up to… Read more »
Fiona
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I would like to know where the community was all these years as amalgamation was taking place? What did they think would happen to the 2nd street site?? Instead of rallying at zero hour, why wouldn’t they have thought of this years ago when there was lots of time to investigate options.

concerned citizen 2
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Fiona said,

“I would like to know where the community was all these years as amalgamation was taking place?”

That’s an easy answer, maybe you should be asking the local rags;
Standard Freeholder, Seaway News,etc….

They suppress the news, NOT report it!!!

The hospital staff knew it was coming, but the public certainly did not!

Simon
Guest
Where was everyone you ask? Well who would have thought that a community hospital supported through taxes and donations since its beginning, would be put up not just for sale to private owners, but auctioned off to a high bidder without giving competing purchasers a chance to match. Although priced at 2 million, its rumoured that the offer was 2 or 3 times more… And we can only deal with rumours because the hospital board is keeping their deceitful deed a secret. This property could so easily be restored at no cost to taxpayers, and serve the community at prices… Read more »
Bill
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@Simon “This property could so easily be restored at no cost to taxpayers, and serve the community at prices that only a non-profit operation could offer.” How much do you think it will cost to retrofit the CGH into a seniors residence? This is the question that has never been broached or answered by the coalition. This is something that is needed to be known before I can support this idea. I like the idea but I need to see a full plan in place – not a pipe dream. Say the cost of retrofit is 20 Million. Annual costs… Read more »
Smith
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According to the information provided by Jim Marshall the Victoria Village in Barrie had a cost of $26.9 million, and that was over a decade ago.
http://ravensengineering.com/reno01.html

Cornwall Citizens Coalition plan to leverage portions of the building to raise capital might be problematic when the price tag for the entire facility is only $2.0 million.

garywsamler
Member
@ Smith So it cost Barrie 26 million to fix. It is now worth over 32 million and it only cost them a buck. I think that makes it a pretty good investment. The sad story is Cornwall wants Non profit which means no personal gain for the greedy clique so the interest here is only feel good smiles from those that need to make it happen. Just see the smiles on the faces of council last Monday to see what I mean. If the good doctor does get the General I hope that the money received goes only to… Read more »
garywsamler
Member

@ Simon As of noon today ZERO councillors have signed this petition but then again none of them read CFN.I guess we have to wait for the city lawyers that are being paid at taxpayers expense to monitor Jamie and CFN to tell them at city hall that there is a petition out there. Please everyone reading this post on Facebook Share, tell all your friends, Call your city council and make everyone aware that the people here own the General and no back door dealing done by bureaucrats should rob us of this community jewel.

Jim Marshall
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To the Simons, the Bills, and the Smiths out there, Your questions and concerns are exactly on target. Those dollar figures are pretty close, and I’m encouraged to see real critical thought. So let me explain a bit. The Royal Victoria Hospital in Barrie was much larger, some parts were 8 stories. They also had to tear down unusable buildings. In our case it’s less than half the size and I think half the dollars. We also have the possibility to redeem all the existing buildings. We may be able to work in phases as well, since the clinic building… Read more »
Smith
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I do not wish my statements to be seen as objections or nay-saying, I absolutely agree with the work being done by the coalition. I simply wish that we deal with the actual details of this undertaking and not deal in just the ideas. I suppose to study that is soon to be underway will reveal the actual figures. I hate this unsourced 70+ million that has been thrown around by the politicians. I do not see how the cost to citizens will be 0. Is this a deal breaker for our community? If there is a need for this… Read more »
jules
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Thank you Admin (Jamie) I will do just that. The former General Hospital was renovated in the 70’s era (parts of it at least) and this hospital should not go to waste at all. Never ever let a good building go to waste folks – if one renovates the place it can be of great use to the community. This hospital has history as well just like the former Hotel Dieu. There are much older buildings standing here in Ottawa that used to be regular hospitals and now are for the elderly and hospices. One thing that my husband and… Read more »
Diddlyscwat
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My understanding is that doctors already own or at least started the McConnell Clinic just below the CCH. My ‘wonder’ is if the purposes set forth for the CGH project ‘doctors’ have now put forward, accepted by the LHIN and forwarded for further review to the Ministry of Health will be a duplication of the McConnell site or will replace the \McConnell site? A broader approach could allow each doctor who signs on to the new site to have office, exam suite and waiting rooms much larger than currently available. Also, would they be able to set up their own… Read more »
Heritage
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It would be nice if the building would be used for the bettering of Cornwall, we need something to bring us together a place that the new generation could say ” I helped save it, i was there when the bureaucrats tried to make some cash…” I’ve had loved ones that have received care at the CGH, i don’t want some for profit establishment tarnishing the memories i have of the people who came together to help the ones i care for… we’re so segregated and distant from each other, its our city, its our hospital and it will be… Read more »
jules
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Mr. Jim Marshall I have been thinking plenty about the General Hospital’s old nurses residence. I think that it is that one that has some mold in it. You can tell me to go and fly a kite somewhere but I know that is costs a lot of money to knock down and here in Ottawa they have the old Elizabeth Bruyère Hospital in the market area of Ottawa and that is a very old structure indeed. What I am thinking is can that old structure be refurbished for a lot less than tearing it down? $500K or more to… Read more »
jules
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There is something else that I want everyone to take into consideration. Barrie Ontario is part of the GTA – Greater Toronto Area and real estate in TO and area costs a great deal more money than what it costs in Cornwall. The same thing for those who are the workers they get more money than those of Cornwall to do the job. You cannot compare apples to oranges. Mr. Marshall said that some of the building in Barrie has 8 floors. Of course it is going to cost more to repair the hospital in Barrie than the General in… Read more »
jules
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Here in Ottawa the hospitals have all amalgamated and everything is working out the way it should. The Riverside Campus has been turned into an outpatient hospital and the other hospitals are operating in a normal sense. There is the old Elizabeth Bruyère Hospital that is for the old people who can no longer look after themselves and more like a hospice even for people who are dying who are either young or old. It used to be the old General Hospital and run by the nuns. This hospital is very old and is standing up very well. The old… Read more »
Diddlyscwat
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jules March 27, 2013 at 7:00 pm

Note; CCH Admin. gave authority to our area SWAT teams to go ahead and use that building for training exercises.

Every inside door/frame has been smashed in to teach these great guys how to do rescue work.

A little mold in lower basement perhaps.

Hey, they have to learn somewhere……..especially if they are steal doors, but most were wooden.

Go figure…..EVERY FLOOR.

Demo is the best answer.

Jim Marshall
Guest

Even if each structure has to be gutted first, it is still cheaper to do that, than to demolish and build again.

Trust me. I saw the old Royal Victoria Hospital before and after. I know what the project entails.

It was gutted completely and still was a financial success. But more importantly it is a community success. It serves people, not greed.

Visit the site below… read about the project and watch the slide show of the current facility in Barrie.

http://www.salterpilon.com/projects/healthcare/victoria-village

Read my earlier post as well, most questions are answered there.

Smith
Guest
Admin – Common ground? I knew you would come around to reason. : P Mr. Marshall, I understand that there is a lot of unknowns until the study is completed. I am concerned though that this figure of $0 dollars, repeated again and again, is going to lead to a large problem if it is found out not to be feasible at zero cost. Every community in the province would like to get $2 million from the ministry of Health, will they cut Cornwall a cheque? If there is a need then the community should provide for it, but lets… Read more »
jules
Guest
Diddlyscwat that is terrible to do that to a very fine institution. Here in Ottawa I see the cops train in the parks sometimes and we are always afraid that if they are using real bullets then we would be in a lot of trouble for sure. LOL LOL. I was going to tell Mr. Marshall and others that I live in an apartment building (8 floors) and one day in the spring it rained. There were no windows open at the time and the rain seeped in somehow and was all over the floor – soaken wet to quite… Read more »
jules
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Mr. Jim Marshall I just looked at the Victoria Village that you posted and I say WOW WOW WOW!!!! This place is absolutely beautiful but not for the ordinary average people. Gee can I trade places – someone can have my dump and I will move into the old General Hospital. LOL LOL. The bit of mold in the basement can be fixed by aerating the basement and taking the rain and any water away from the foundation. I had to laugh a lot a few months ago. There are townhouses below near me and a new man for shovelling… Read more »
jules
Guest

Mr. Jim Marshall

I still can’t get over how beautiful the Victoria Village looks like. I would like to see something similar – something nice for Cornwall. This is absolutely beautiful indeed.

Anybody want to trade???? LOL LOL. Honestly this is luxury for sure. Absolutely beautiful.

Simon
Guest

Sunshine lollipops and rainbows… la, la, la…

Roughly $1,000 per “working” day

JEANETTE DESPATIE
Cornwall Community Hospital
Chief Executive Officer
Benefits $2,178.01
Salary $237,235.84

jules
Guest

Simon are you serious???? $1,000./day? Who would you be expecting the Queen of England, Warren Buffet, the Rothschilds and Rockefellers or what? LOL LOL. ROLF! Seriously this is beautiful what Victoria village did but I was thinking in the line of something for the very day people. My rent is high enough don’t kill me. We pay more than that per month.

The old General can be fixed up really nice for the elderly and I would be very happy to see it done.

Jim Marshall
Guest
If the Old General Hospital is turned over to a non-profit group for development, the idea is to have a bit of everything, a mixed community. The pictures you saw were some of the common areas for use of the life-lease, long-term care, and semi public facilities. The pictures found at the archtect’s web site don’t show the actual living quarters and accommodation. The private and resident care areas are actually more typical of the surroundings of the average independent senior, or those in assisted living arrangements, and those requiring long term care. The Cornwall project is meant to address… Read more »
Simon
Guest

Jules, $1,000 a day is what JEANETTE DESPATIE the Chief Executive Officer of the Cornwall Community Hospital makes.
You’d think she could make better decisions than selling a hospital out from under us.

jules
Guest

Holy Jumping Joseph Simon $1,000./day that is completely rediculous and highway robbery. Gee if I had the qualifications I would do it for less than half. That is total insanity. Who comes up with these salaries – they would have to be just as nuts as Jeannette Despatie. This woman is close to the grave and is getting that much money.

jules
Guest

Simon this woman is brainless. The hospital should not be sold at all but renovated from top to bottom. As for taxes I wouldn’t mind paying taxes towards something that is useful and not something that we do not need. I am all for fixing up the old CGH and it sure can be done very easily. The old CGH does not have 8 floors to fix so the renovations should be a great deal less costly. This will be great for Cornwall.

Fiona
Guest
To the concerned citizen who commented on my message 26 March: If the community wasn’t aware that the former CGH & HDH were completely amalgamating they must not have newspapers. This project has been going on for many years now, and the plan has always been to have all services on one site. Progress of the new addition has been publicized on a regular basis. It doesn’t take a lot of thought to see this would mean that the Second Street site would soon be empty & redundant as far as the CCH was concerned. They couldn’t be expected to… Read more »
jules
Guest
Some years ago both the former Hotel Dieu Hospital and the Cornwall General Hospital both had money poured into them for renovations. The Hotel Dieu Site was the best for keeping as a regular hospital for the people BUT the Cornwall General is a very good building indeed and it should be kept but for the elderly who can no longer care for themselves. I am completely for this system all the way and I wouldn’t mind at all to support this cause. I am totally against that “tax mahal of an albatross” the Benson Centre and that was something… Read more »
Simon
Guest
An offer has been submitted on time (not zero hour), by a non-profit group that will put it to its best use, and the offer should be considered — The hospital board’s actions indicate that there’s more dollars than sense at play here. And there’s no rush. The building is going to be occupied for another year… that’s one of the conditions that the hospital put on the sale. It doesn’t take a lot of thought to see how callous the board is acting, to sell the site out from under the community that built and supported it through taxes… Read more »
jules
Guest
We just received some very terrible news and that is our friend that we went to see last week has died today at noon hour. He had cancer since 97 and has been batling this horrible disease ever since. People out there who do not care for the community and its people don’t deserve anything good. People who don’t care will pay a terrible price for it and payment comes in many harsh ways. I have to contact my son just now who is out and he is going to take this very hard. If you care for the people… Read more »
Simon
Guest
While browsing the internet, I came across a newspaper article (the Barrie Advance) about the mayor of Barrie Ontario during the Victoria Village Project. And if you compare the leadership in Cornwall to that of Barrie, it’s little wonder our town is becoming irrelevant to the rest of Ontario. Among the list of ventures in which former Barrie mayor Janice Laking takes pride; the development of the old Royal Victoria Hospital site into what is now Victoria Village tops the list. “The restoration of the old hospital … would have gone down many times over if I hadn’t been very… Read more »
jules
Guest
Thank you very much Jamie. We are all crying here together. This man was the most dearest friend that anybody would ever want to have and he would bend over backwards to help. One day my husband and I went across to get some groceries and Robert and his wife were there as well. Our car wouldn’t start and my husband forgot all about garages and tow trucks to call. Robert saw that we couldn’t get our car started and he literally stood out in the very cold to try and get it started. I came home on foot and… Read more »
jules
Guest
Simon I just came on CFN and saw what you wrote. For way too long Cornwall has been neglected and was pushed aside and laughed at. I blame the citizens of the town for not doing something since the beginning and letting the neglect to continue as it has. Mayors were paid to look the other way as well as councellors and they became mighty corrupt. I have to say that the very worst corrupt is Bare Ass and he has done a terrible injustice to Cornwall. Can you imagine Bare Ass who never gave a hoot about his own… Read more »
Dawn Ford
Guest

I bet there are a lot of seniors who would sign it if they knew about the petition but a lot of seniors don’t have the funds to have a computer or don’t have access to one.

jules
Guest

Spread the word around folks. This is badly needed for seniors. Seniors can use someone else’s computer and get themselves their own e-mail address free or use the one at the library. Tell the seniors to get out there and help because we are fighting for them and that this is a mighty good cause. Get out there people.

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