CFN – Cornwall City Hall did the back door shuffle and have agreed to send $50K to fund the study that the committee above have asked to have commissioned.
Little has been said about their vision; but CFN has been digging and could the reason for the secrecy simply be that Cornwall wishes to establish a French University? And if so why the secrecy? Are the politicians which chiefly make up this group concerned about a back lash from the public for spending public tax dollars on such a project.
Many don’t realize that there is a major regional push to attract disgruntled Francophones from Quebec to Cornwall and it makes some sense in that with Quebec’s economic and political woes an opportunity to attract young families is there. Couple that with a desire politically to have a French University in Ontario and you have a recipe for something that could attract people and money to Cornwall.
Lapresse recently ran a piece discussing Cornwall. LINK The article discussed a drop in Francophones from 30 to 26% and the concerns of some of the locals. Councilor Maurice Dupelle was quoted, but most of the quotes came from Georgette Sauve of the SD&G ACFO)
Translated quote:
Francophone immigration is one of the keys. We need new blood to maintain an acceptable level of French in Cornwall, “said the President.
Education, employability and apparently French Education were primary concerns.
“We must put pressure on elected officials to implement policies to facilitate the immigration of French here. Employers also have a role to play. Finally, the number of allophones who turns aside default the English school system is also a big problem that we have identified, “says the president of the ACFO-SDG, Georgette Sauvé.
It was also discussed on TFO’s 360 show. CLICK to watch VIDEO REPORT.
The question many will be asking is why all the secrecy and why not have open discussion by politicians in the community rather than writing cheques and socially engineering our region? After all it’s everyone’s tax dollars and we all live here. Surely the public should have some say in some of these decisions?
We already have the stench of having two of the committee members, Mayor Kilger and Councilor Elaine MacDonald on the committee not recusing themselves from discussion or voting on the issue which violates number 2 of their Declaration of Office.
2. I have not received and will not receive any payment or reward, or promise thereof, for the
exercise of this office in a biased, corrupt or in any other improper manner.
Clearly there is a reward when you as a member of a group ask for cash from city hall? You have achieved a goal which is of course a reward.
Again, nothing against having a French University in Cornwall, or French in general, but these processes and forcing the public to pay for freight without public consultation surely isn’t Democratic, is it? And while having a University isn’t a bad thing how many of these French Uni grads would be staying in Cornwall?
What do you think CFN viewers? You can post your comments below.
This should be null & void as two committee members have violated their declaration of office plus having to raise taxes at the same time to a anglo majority whose kids would still have to leave Cornwall for an English university in another city where most often they choose to stay For work & friends ,why all the secret meetings Kilger,I sure do not trust you & your bringing council & others down with you.Its a slippery slope when people finally wake up to this corrupt town.
Yes, why all the secrecy in regards to this project?
I have read here on CFN that the powers that be would like to see Cornwall be designated as a bilingual city.
If this is the case, then why not have a bilingual university; say a scale down version of the University of Ottawa?
Why the push for a French university?
Does this entitle the City of Cornwall to have more access to funding if a French University is built?
What happened to having equal access to funding for both English and French schools? Was this ever the case?
Further, if this is the case then, why are communities given financial incentives to offer French only this or that? This seems to be construed as social engineering.
I never imagined that Cornwall’s population would require a University and especially a French one?
Is this a case of buliding it and they will come?
And where will ‘they’ come from?
Well Cory I’d imagine what the feasibility study will show is that a French or Bilingual Uni will attract Francophones from across Ontario and even some from Quebec. Not a bad thing wholly for Cornwall; but again, like the waterfront, it’s the process. We need transparency and accountability when it comes to the public purse at all times.
ATTENTION:
ALL ENGLISH RESIDENTS PREPARE FOR MASS EXODUS, UNLESS WE UNITE TOGETHER!
THE FRENCH PUSH IS HERE TO STAY, UNLESS WE UNITE TOGETHER!
GET READY FOR THE WELFARE LINE, UNLESS WE UNITE TOGETHER!
THE TIME IS NOW TO UNITE TOGETHER!!!!
Um CC2, if that hasn’t happened in Quebec I don’t think it’ll happen here. Hysteria never creates results.
$50,000.00 of our tax dollars? If it’s our money, what are they hiding about what they’re spending it on?
Jamie,
I honestly wish more people would get hysterical about this social engineering, instead most prefer to sit on their arses & watch reality TV.
I plan to scream & shout about this to whoever & whomever will listen. This has to stop or like I said pack your bags & move out because Quebec is moving in.
I am pissed & come hell or high water I will do whatever I can to put a STOP to this BS.
The key is unity, united we stand or divided we fall.
Time to choose Cornwallites!!!!
Stats Canada 2011
Cornwall pop 56000:
French only 550
Engish only 41,000
Bilingual 13,000
So English only is 70.2 % of the population of Cornwall,yet the city states the Cornwall is a bilingual city.
If these city councilors want a bilingual city make it an election issue with Cornwall let the people decide ,let democracy work unread of a back door approach with bilingualism.
But let the public know that all those city positions will be deemed bilingual and the cost to change everything bilingual (millions )for 23 %,
But all of the taxpayers watch your taxes go way up for that designation and oh by the way those 70.2% good luck on those city job opportunities or contracts.
If Cornwall has French only 550 people why hire bilingual to thes numbers.
Health unit 100% bilingual
Hospital 50%+ bilingual
CCAC near 100% bilingual hires
Provincial gov 65% average bilingual in cornwall
Provincial courts 80%+ bilingual
All local federal institutions 65%+ bilingual
All border guards 100% bilingual.
The list goes on and on and on.
Those 70.2% WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE YOU REALIZE THAT AS THIS CONTINUED PUSH YOU,YOUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN WILL HAVE VERY LITTLE CHOICE BUT TO MOVE AS YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO WORK IN YOUR HOME TOWN.
Honestly, I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a government, municipal or otherwise, who consults the electorate, everytime, before sprending some tax dollars.
But. CFN, are you suggesting that Cornwall City Hall should have cunsulted it’s citizens to find out if they agree with the need for a feasability study, for a French U, in River City?
Or, are you suggesting that they should have a feasability study to find out if the Cornwallites agree to spending 50K for a feasability study to bulid a French U?
YEP…WE MUST UNITE…..LOL
Yet we have a group who wants nothing better then to seperate and divide this country….go figure. The word UNITE usually creates DIVISION….
Calm down folks….it’s a feasibility study only, not a done deal.
There is a big, big problem here., and CC#2 identifyied it.
this university is just a pretext for transforming Cornwall into being “french”
Be really careful here, this is how thwe anglophone communities of quebec were lost ,for EVER.
Block this university and all that is french or bilingual, or you will LOOSE your English culture.
they are telling you to your faces they not only plan to move into cornwall, but because numbers will, dramatically increase, this will warrant all in Cornwall to be bilingual ( code fior french only)
Which is what the french want. Remember this is ONTARIO, where 92% of the population is English, not french.
If they ( the french) loose their languiage or culture, which will never, ever happen by the way, it is NOT THE FAULT of the English. If the french cannot maintain their numbers, if many many more people PREFER the English language, then so be it.
It is not our job, or our cause, because their numbers are dwilding , for us to prop them up.
English people, you are walking on very, very, thin ice.
BEWARE
Your article has the quote: Francophone immigration is one of the keys. We need new blood to maintain an acceptable level of French in Cornwall, “said the President.
What the hell is an acceptable level? West of the Ottawa River Curtain, only one of 964 people are French-Only. Do the math.
Algoma U is the smallest in Ontario with about 1,300 students in a population of about 80,000. they have 19 people on the sunshine list ( $2,400,000 area) and probably 200 employees under $100,000( say $12,000,000?) plus benefits, lights etc.
Even if Cornwall does half that, say 650 students with enrollment fees of 6,000 each, would 3.9 million allow it to break even? Would thos fees be less due to grants etc?
I would hope the area to draw from, age characteristics, extra city services and all that would be looked at, but being fed the bilingualism ideal for so long, I can’t believe a bilingual one would not be pushed for. Do we really want more separate facilities to divide us?
@ People of Cornwall
My suggestion, is that as a primary English, communty you have to have canidates that are in sync with people like Tammy Hart and Mayor McGillis.
If there are none such people , recruit and find them. You need acouncil in power, that wants what the MAJORITY OF ENGLISH peopel want in Cornwall.
bilingualism, french should be secondary to what the majority of English people want, or you will loose your English language and culture. Believe me , this is what happened in quebec.
make no mistakie bilingualisn is “french only” not french AND ENGLISH. this has been proven, over and over again.
Where are your UEL roots , your UEL traditions, that settled this area. Look at Alexandria, with french only bussing? jean cotu, selling ONLY french greeting cards.
look at the “surnames” of those in charge and elsewhere.
Look at the surnames in Otawa rhat are “in charge ” of the country.
Don’t you think there are a disproportinate number of french names in government positions. Believe me, they are NOT SYMPATHETIC to the plight of the English in Canada, and we are the MAJORITY here.
Wake up, or you will loose all that you and your ancestors have worked for all of their lives.
A French university???? Maybe a bilingual one would be ok. I am not against any of this. I attended a French high school and French elementary schools and so has my daughter. I wouldn’t mind it one bit but a lot of the people would.
You can throw Kilger “Bare Ass” out and send him to Ottawa while we would move back down to Cornwall. Things are bad up here in crime. Did any of you see on Yahoo where there was a shooting at a Day Care Centre in Gatineau. I have to go back to the site to look at it. Some years ago there were some shootings not far from where I live and some further down. Society has gone nuts just like I said before.
I do think that there will be people leaving Montréal and other parts of Québec as time goes on but I don’t know how long that will be. If you think that things are expensive now folks get ready for more shocks. You haven’t seen anything yet. Maybe a lot of us here in Ottawa will be moving down your way as well. LOL LOL. We are living in one of the worst areas of Ottawa as is and it used to be one of the best areas of the city. Society has gone down hill everywhere and no place is really safe.
I warned all of you about Kilger and so many thought that I fell off some turnip wagon or something or kidding all of you but I am not. He is spending money like a drunken sailor – just hold on folks you haven’t seen anything yet.
Pierre my personal opinion was that council should not have even discussed the issue until the Mayor and Councilor MacDonald were out of the room. And at that point they should have rejected the funding request until there was a proper plan on the table. After all, what exactly are we asking is feasible? If it turns out that the committee withheld what type of Uni they wanted because they knew the public response they should have to give the funds back to the tax payers.
Again, it comes down to accountability and transparency. Having a mayor and councilor actively on a committee asking the city for cash is plain wrong.
CC2 you wrote:
“ATTENTION:
ALL ENGLISH RESIDENTS PREPARE FOR MASS EXODUS, UNLESS WE UNITE TOGETHER!
THE FRENCH PUSH IS HERE TO STAY, UNLESS WE UNITE TOGETHER!
GET READY FOR THE WELFARE LINE, UNLESS WE UNITE TOGETHER!
THE TIME IS NOW TO UNITE TOGETHER!!!!”
I also believe this to be true. How many more racist, ethnocentric Quebecois need to migrate to Eastern Ontario before current residents see the forest for the trees?
Jamie, perhaps mass hysteria is what is required to get zombie-like English speaking people off their arses and to fight for their rights to work in their own communities or to post a sign in the language of their choice.
By the way, the day I see this take place in a Tim Horton’s in Ontario is the day I march straight up to the United Nations and demand military intervention in the banana republic of Canada.
http://www.montrealmemes.com/fight-at-tim-hortons
@ Admin
That’s your opinion, eh?
But as the man said, opinion is like a “u know what”…
Everybody’s got one.
I’m not from the Cornwall region so I’m not really concerned, but I’ve heard Mr. Kilger speak, a few times, in interviews, and he sounded like a decent mayor, to me.
Again, I do not think it comes down to just transparency.
Not getting side tracked and getting the job done is the bottom line.
I think you may be causing an unnecessary disturbance…
And I think that the mayor and the council probably deserve a bonus for having to put up with you…
But that’s just my opinion, eh?
The difference Pierre is that I used the term “opinion” because I was being cautious to not state it as fact and give benefit of the doubt. You simply are just trying to spark. Huge difference amigo. Remember your own words reflect on you 😉
Corey, interesting link. The guy in white was pretty decent and tried to stop everything. Unless I missed something, had nothing to do with language. What a racist b****. A real exaggeration on your part. The french push ? Come on. Not all quebecers are racist ignorant people like the woman on the video.
On a side note, about what happened in Gatineau today, THANK GOD not kids were hurt. Who in their right mind would walk into a daycare facility with a gun ? Regardless of what side of the coin your language is we need to focus on more important things.
Well, now that we now who runs the city, and what they command, if it a french university, so be it, by these pers who decide the fate of the people of cornwall. They do not care who they walk over, as long as they benefit in many ways more to help thier self esteem. Obviously , they have missed their mark, because Cornwall has lost thier emloyment level and soon Cornwall young will be disappearing to other cities in droves.
Cornwall will become desolate without jobs in the ENGLISH flavour.
Having a french university in Cornwall shows how idiotly that the above mentioned pers can be, if that’s thier aim.
But who cares? Definetely not the people of cornwall, they certainly don’t know how to vote in a mayor or council,they allow wages that are way above the norm , for a small city.
What a sick situation and quite possibly a sick city.
Have a nice day.
cory wrote: By the way, the day I see this take place in a Tim Horton’s in Ontario is the day I march straight up to the United Nations and demand military intervention in the banana republic of Canada.
While at the United Nations perhaps you can ask about the letter you wrote two years ago and let your followers know what is happening.
Richard tremblay April 5, 2013 at 3:39 pm
” A real exaggeration on your part. The french push ? Come on. Not all quebecers are racist ignorant people like the woman on the video.”
Must be a coincidence yet again,but how many does it take another comes to mind those Chinese students and the angry Francophone in Montreal.
These are but a few how many is no longer a coincidence?
Yes truly sad event in gatineau ,thank god no children were hurt ,but a loss of one innocent soul.
” Regardless of what side of the coin your language is we need to focus on more important things.”
But Richard this is important,specially to those who felt the sting of language discrimination.
$50,000 for a feasibility for a French University in Cornwall where the French-speaking population is only 550? Have I got that right?
Can someone please tell me how many French-language high schools are in Cornwall that will be the feeder schools for this proposed French University? If there are not enough prospective students for this university, is the proposal to then take on students from Quebec?
I would like to remind Cornwall taxpayers that Quebec citizens do not pay the Ontario hospitals the rate charged to Ontarians. They only pay the Quebec rates which are lower than the Ontario rates and the difference is then picked up by Ontario taxpayers. Will the same thing happen in this French University and we end up subsidizing Quebec students just like we subsidize Quebec patients when they come to Ontario hospitals?
The Liberal govt. in Ontario is very pro-French and part of the reason why they are pushing more French-language institutions in Ontario is mainly because of that. The FLSA encourages the expansion of French-language services and will use tax-payer dollars to expand the number of facilities that are bilingual because they know that this gives the advantage to French-speakers.
I’m not sure why it is so difficult for the majority English-speakers to see what is going to happen if they allow a minority language to become the dominant factor in public discourse. As long as we are willing to sit back and let it happen, we cannot blame the French for taking advantage of our willingness to capitulate.
stellabystarlight April 5, 2013 at 11:53 am
” Yet we have a group who wants nothing better then to seperate and divide this country….go figure. The word UNITE usually creates DIVISION…”
But Stella it is you that agree with the separatists and believe the language laws should be strengthened ,and you befriend separatists.
I and many others KNOW that its the separatists that want to devide the country,so in reality it is you that wants to do this as well when you agree with separatist policies and friends.
You know birds of a feather flock together,miss separatist stop trying to devide and destroy my country in the interest of your culture.There is more then your one culture in this country.
Hiya Pierre,
“Not all quebecers are racist ignorant people like the woman on the video.”
No, I would agree that not all Quebecers are racist nor ignorant. But why is it that we are experiencing and seeing dozens of examples of violence between various ethnicities in Quebec on a weekly basis?
Why is it that a racist, ethnocentric political party has been democratically elected in la belle province?
Why is it that racist, ethnocentric laws been enacted in la belle province that seeks to crush all languages other than that spoken by the majority?
Why is it that our politicians aren’t touching these subjects and dealing with them in a responsible manner?
Kim, oh my god kim. It is not just for 550 people. I as a french canadian deserves to be served in french when I’m at the CCH. Because your anglo and part of the majority are you superior to me in some sort of way ? Don’t I deserve the same rights as you. Now i’m not suggesting that everywhere even in Alberta we have bilingual services, but where there is at least 5000 plus french canadians in Ontario, for god sakes, be canadian and make an effort. You have NO idea what your talking about when you talk about hospital rates. To spread lies like this will surely not help your cause however distorted it may be. Kim, you have said once before ¨the French-speakers high-jacked the country’s
agenda and started expanding their rights” Now that is discriminatory, and so un-canadian.
– Howard I have felt the sting of language discrimination. How is the language in Québec affecting you ? Howard galganov speaks perfect french ? HEck, beth trudeau once said she is bilingual but she refuses to speak french. How is that logical ? Because of costs ? 1% of the national budget for 10 million people.
Onrario is 92% English.
Why does Cornwall, or any other Ontarioo city NEED A french university??
WHY ??
WHY IS THERE A NEED FOR THE french to “migrate” here?????
there is quebec, where I believe the french would be more at home there.
Hasn’t the monfort, Ottawa U taught the people of Cornwall anything?
Who makes these stupid decisions?/ What kind of power and Influence does the french have to get these projects off an running?
Whoever is driving this initiative, has to be identified, has to GO, and has to be REPLACED ASAP
@ trembly
The woman on video is becoming very typical. English students threatened for speaking English in St. lambert.
A french para medic, was willing to potentially risk the life of an English two year old girl, because of language.
PASTAGATE, THE PENIS RING INCIDENT there is a long ,long list.
BTW: trembly, when are you going to answer my questions , you hull, and English signage, supposedly allowed there on busineses
Still waiting trembly, still waiting
Politicians aren’t touching this because its not as important as you want it to be. There are many, many more important problems for our elected politicians to undertake. Health care, gun control, equal rights for women, homophobia, ethnophobia,etc. Now, i know what your about to say, we should use the 2.4 billion on other expenditures. You’re promoting equal rights to everyone. 1.4 billion for 10 million people, not too much to ask for.
Actually Richard this is mostly Politicians. Look at the group on the committee….
Peter, I don’t read every post you write, and although I love CFN I’m not on my computer reading it 24-7. Have you been to the west island of montreal ? Have you been to the casino in Hull ? Anywhere near the Casino ? Now Peter, you should be ashamed of yourself. To promote the end of this country just on the count of language is being stupid. You’re 70 years old and should spend your time by doing something else. Tu devrais goûter à la culture française, peut-être que tu ne serais pas si limité dans tes pensées.
I’m sorry jaime, I had a very long day. Are you talking about the LFA ?
There are times whenever I get emotional and get carried away and like others here, ask Stella and others to explain away Quebec’s approach to human right’s and linguistic discrimination.
Now, to ask a few bloggers here to explain away and legitimize an entire province’s approach to these issues is unfair, I understand this. That is of course, assuming that these same bloggers are not Quebec politicians or politicians in Eastern Ontario or even Federally elected representatives with a very real agenda.
But what I don’t understand is their insistent, obsessive, fanatical and almost religious support of this ethnocentric behaviour. Whats more, I someday hope to discover if this behaviour is absolutely intentional knowing full-well the negative consequences of all of this or if they truly are blinded by their faith and think that all of this is for ALL OUR GOOD?
With Stella’s response today though I now realize wholeheartedly that her beliefs stem directly from an ethnocentric, colonizing attitude.
Now, pray I discover the intentions of both Pierre and Richard.
@ trembly
politicans aren’t touching this because they aspire to what former premier jean chearest ‘s policy was;
I am para -phrasing here, he said :Stay away from language issues in THE NAME OF SOCIAL PEACE
Garbage. trembly, if you think , that because the feds and or the province of Ontario, are going to FORCE people into being bilingual, you are crazy.
governments that force social issues on people invariably loose.
They have already lost respect, next will come credibilty, and then votes.
Canada, as I have stated before is NOT JUST quebec and Eastern Ontario. Bilingualism ( meaning french only ) IS NOT ACCEPTED BY THE MAJORITY OF CANADIANS.
Don`t rely on skewered polls for your research. Bilingualism, is not even accepted in eastern Ontario, if it was, there would not be such a backlash here on CFN, would there would not be the heated debates that exist here.
the other intangable factor here, is that , for the first time, the English ARE MAD, and there are FED UP.
so, you don`t even have acceptance, in this area, where you claim that it is necessary.
People are fighting back, waking up and are taking action
Do you not think that this site, you posts, along with pierre and stella isn`t having a positive effect on people that want nothing to do with bilingualism of any kind.
When your group posts, especially, and this is factual trembly, when what you say, is NEVER,EVER BACKED UP WITH CREDIBLE SOURCES. People read this. Whats left in your rants , comes across as bias and unreasonabe. My U.S. friend in Buffalo, who has no axe to grind, specifically mentions you three as being , I quote FOOLISH and OUT of touch with the reality of the English world you live in.
His words not mine.
BTW: trembly, stop crying about being called names and bellyaching, I am actually embarassed for you. grow up and be a man.
So when I protest about being discriminated against, I’m bellyaching, when you do it, it is true discrimination. Aside from a few regular posters on here, nobody cares. I quote polls, you say they are biased. I quote facts, you say they are distorted. Bilingualism is accepted, that is an established fact. Now should it be everywhere. I don’t think there is a need. But in Ontario where is 5000 plus people its the law. You don’t agree with it¨vieux grincheux¨ move back to Quebec.
@Admin
I know very well that you protect yourself by using the word opinion. And it does protect you.
But, to me, it does not excuse bad behaviour… Selfish behaviour.
Do any of you know that here in Ottawa and you go to a hospital, a bank and different places even the government there are signs all over indicating what language that their staff speaks. Go across to my bank and there must be around 10 or more different languages (foreign) besides English and French and these are the people that they hire. It is we Canadians whether English or French who are put out in the cold without work. Here is everyone fighting over French language while the foreigners have gained tremendously in our country. If you are born and raised here you are screwed. Ask my daughter and she will tell you that the government gives incentives to companies to hire foreign people and they hire them themselves. Canadians have no country left and the US feels the same way as well as Europe, Australia, etc.
A few years ago I saw a young Canadian guy at Wal Mart here in Ottawa who spoke 3 languages proficiently and they were English (his own language), French and Spanish and no kidding he spoke all three. We went to a furniture store last year and a guy from Brazil served us and he spoke English, French, Portuguese and Spanish fluently. These are the people that are being hired not unilingual people who do not want to learn other languages and other cultures.
I had to laugh about the UN sending in the military over something like this which is ridiculous. This is not the FLQ all over again. Not yet anyway. Learn to get along and learn new things. Learning French is part of our culture. The queen is German and not British like what you all think. She speaks 7 languages herself. Her grandfather couldn’t speak English and only German. Now you learned something new that you didn’t know about. Learn to get along and share.
Stella writes to Cory
While at the United Nations perhaps you can ask about the letter you wrote two years ago and let your followers know what is happening.
50 cents to anybody that knows what he is talking about..guess the starlight has gotten into his eyes …why else would he be trash talking mr cameron?????
@ trembly
It is obvious , quebec should leave, go its own way, and put all this nonsense to rest.
Then you will hsve all the language protection you want, and be free of the English forever, and vice -versa.
get this marriage over with.
ON April 5, 2013 at 5:57 pm Richard tremblay wrote, “I as a french canadian deserves to be served in french when I’m at the CCH.”
No. You don’t …
I know it’s tough for you to appreciate and understand that concept Tremblay but, the answer is a resounding NO. You DO NOT — deserve – any such thing. You DO NOT deserve to be served in French in the ROC any more than you believe the English in Quebec deserve to be served in English. Period.
News flash. You are in Canada. The common language is English. Get that through your head. Just like Louise Beaudoin said about Quebec. “There has to be a common language in a country . And when you’re 82 % of the population then the the majority wants that common language to be English.” LIVE WITH IT.
What is it with you people. You want everyone else to accommodate you(s) and yet you have this sense that you don’t have to accommodate anyone else.
The ONLY thing that was originally offered to the French was service in French WITHIN THE FEDERAL government. I just KNOW I read that somewhere.
News flash… THIS COUNTRY IS majority English. And, you know what? We have learned from the French in Quebec who have outlawed the English language.
What have we learned? We have learned how to treat the minorities in the ROC the way they treat the Anglo minorities inside Quebec.
What about the Anglophones in Quebec? What happens when they ask to be served in English on the buses or subways in Quebec? They are TOLD, “NO. We don’t speak English here.” Some have even been beaten up. Others are simply ignored.
What makes you so damn special. Why is it you believe it’s ok for the French in “the province” (yes, — a province — inside a country that has English as the common language) of Quebec to tell English people, “NO, we don’t speak English here” yet, you go around and demand service in French everywhere else?
Further more, I JUST DON’T GET IT. Some of you people posting on this site. Especially the native Anglo’s.
YOU SEE the examples of what Quebec is doing and what the French are doing and yet you still run around advocating for bilingualism, French universities outside the province of Quebec and what ya’ll are calling “fairness.” Is it not clear to everyone that they are interested in fairness? Fairness would mean a bilingual Quebec.
I’ve even read some of you saying that a way to “solve this problem” would be to have all schools teach French to ALL children in Canada right from the get go.
What?
I don’t happen to think acquiescing to the French by being sure that the end result is, there are ZERO pure Anglo Canadians in this country. — EVERYONE MUST learn French — as the answer.?
IS it not clear enough that these people WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH bilingualism or the English language or culture. Heck, they don’t even want anything to do with the Canadian flag.
What is it going to take for people to wake up? It’s worse than just Anglo apathy. It seems the Anglo’s are our own worse enemy in some cases. While the French push for a French agenda ONLY, you Anglo sympathizers are pushing a bilingual agenda for EVERYONE in Canada ?
Can’t you even see that whole thing is NOT just a love fest. ONE SIDE of this situation wants — it all — to be French and they DO NOT tolerate English in their own back yard AT ALL.
Some of you are still under the spell that bilingualism is somehow the goal ?
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Richard wrote, “Don’t I deserve the same rights as you?”
NO. No you don’t deserve the same rights Richard. NO !!! You don’t. You don’t “deserve” anything more than you are willing to offer the minorities in Quebec. And, even beyond that, you don’t deserve — more — because these two things are impossible to compare “evenly.”
That’s being said, why do you believe it’s ok for Anglo’s in Quebec not to have any rights (or as you would call it, minimal rights) yet you believe you deserve EQUAL rights when your numbers — in Ontario — are maybe 4% at best.
Richard wrote, “be canadian and make an effort.”
Again, NO.
YOU MAKE THE DAMN EFFORT and leave us alone. We see right through you.
I am so freakin fed up of demands from the likes of you and your ilk while at the very same moment hearing that incessant ring of indifference and non tolerance you are your ilk constantly demonstrate to anyone who is NOT Francophone.
Richard tremblay
April 5, 2013 at 5:57 pm
” I as a french canadian deserves to be served in french when I’m at the CCH. Because your anglo and part of the majority are you superior to me in some sort of way ? Don’t I deserve the same rights as you.”
Yes French Canadians deserve same rights as everyone else no more no less.All are to be equal but this country gives prferential treatment to francophones.
There is a distinctive difference in providing french services “when numbers warrant” and pushing well beyond those numbers then its social engineering.
What I find disturbing is how you polarize this as French vs Anglo ,discriminatory language laws not only effect Anglosaxions but all other cultures.
“You have NO idea what your talking about when you talk about hospital rates. To spread lies like this will surely not help your cause however distorted it may be.”
It is well known that Quebec pays between 75%-80% of the true costs with Ontario provincial health costs reimbursements,thereby the Ontario taxpayers once again subsidize Quebec citizens health care.
Richard tremblay
April 5, 2013 at 6:12 pm
“To promote the end of this country just on the count of language is being stupid.”
Well isn’t that what your separatists are doing Richard ?
You advocate for more oppressive language laws in Quebec with the separatists(a political party)who are trying to separate the country.
Richard tremblay
April 5, 2013 at 6:55 pm
“So when I protest about being discriminated against, I’m bellyaching, when you do it, it is true discrimination. ”
Here lyes the difference we all have been personally discriminated ,this remains wrong ,but when the government systemically promotes laws that encourage it remains systemic discrimination supported by law.
jules
April 5, 2013 at 10:11 pm
“I had to laugh about the UN sending in the military over something like this which is ridiculous. This is not the FLQ all over again. Not yet anyway. Learn to get along and learn new things. Learning French is part of our culture.”
Jules -yes in the near future as Quebec has becoming more radical I do believe a form of FLQ issue will rise again.
Once again Learning French is not part of our culture but a legislated measure and there is more then one culture in Canada but in fact hundreds .
Why is learning french for people that is not of French heritage part of their culture and because of legislation ALL other languages are not even considered merit.
All languages should be considered merit and deeming a Government position “bilingual “when 83% of the population speaks English MEANS french and therefore language is deemed more important then MERIT .
Why limit the hiring based on language only,if the applicant is not bilingual yet they remain fully qualified and educated (merit) the exclusionary measure is bilingual therefore language is deemed more important then MERIT.
La Cite Collegiale was a complete failure. Ask a student who attended La Cite. Many students jumped to St Lawrence College because North America operates in english. Anyone out there diputing my claims? If you do, you must be from out of town or a recent newcomer..or of course, choosing to forget.. Invest in our local College. Get solid job worthy courses. Turn the General Hospital into a PRACTISING STUDENT MEDICAL SCHOOL for physicians and nurses.
@ c cameron
Not that it matters because there are ignorant people in all ethnic groups and in all races but, I just wonder why you, an habitual and compulsive Francophone and Québec basher, would post a video that shows a racist woman attacking a black person in a restaurant if this minor detail had not escaped you?
The racist woman, in question, was an Anglophone.
Yes sir! She had an English accent that would not go through a barn door, she swore in English and, she did not know the genders of things as she would say: “je veux mon commande instead of je veux ma commande” as any Francophone would have said.
Just another minor detail that must have escaped you because of your incapacity, to see the forest for the tree of bicotry, that you are attached behind.
The Steering Committee seems to be missing a name …Professor Harold Hill.
“I say, River City’s gotta have a boys’ band, and I mean she needs it today.”
Please city council, we just need $50,000 for uniforms.
@ Jules
Very good point and very true. The federal is pushing multiculturalism and maybe, the languages of new comers, to a point that it will, in time, affect/influence the cultures, that founded our country.
And, the question that should be asked is whether this is acceptable, or not.
Surely, The French language being more fragile, because of it’s smaller numbers, is more at risk than is the English language and that is why Québec is more inclined to refuse multi-culturalism.
While it may affect some Anglophones personally, we know that, their language, being as dominant as it is, will prevail.
Will the French language also prevail or will it, as the new languages now spoken, in all of Canada, be, in time, gobbled up by the English language?
That is the most important question… The question that Québécois and Canadians need an answer to, the most.
Pierre April 6, 2013 at 8:22 am
“The federal is pushing multiculturalism and maybe, the languages of new comers, to a point that it will, in time, affect/influence the cultures, that founded our country. ”
And, the question that should be asked is whether this is acceptable, or not.
What cultures are that ?-There are many cultures that founded from the many indigenous tribes to the many Chinese that died building the railroad.
your comment was insulting and has racial undertones ,you have classified anyone other then FRENCH as Anglophone which is downright racist and demeaning to all those other 200 cultures .
We you choose to call Anglophones are independent 200 cultures ,but you classify it as French vs Anglophones so it more palatable then US VERSES THEM.
“Will the French language also prevail or will it, as the new languages now spoken, in all of Canada, be, in time, gobbled up by the English language?”
The French language will never be gobbled up because of protective legislation and billions yearly.
Sad part is that same legislation that protects the French language and makes it mandatory limits the use of other languages as merit.
So in effect It’s the French language that’s gobbling up those other languages through it legislation.
“@ c cameron
Not that it matters because there are ignorant people in all ethnic groups and in all races but, I just wonder why you, an habitual and compulsive Francophone and Québec basher, would post a video that shows a racist woman attacking a black person in a restaurant if this minor detail had not escaped you?
The racist woman, in question, was an Anglophone.
Yes sir! She had an English accent that would not go through a barn door, she swore in English and, she did not know the genders of things as she would say: “je veux mon commande instead of je veux ma commande” as any Francophone would have said.
Just another minor detail that must have escaped you because of your incapacity, to see the forest for the tree of bicotry, that you are attached behind.”
Once again Pierre all I’ve done is show yet another example of racism that exists in Quebec. Notice how I wasn’t particularly picking on Francophones within Quebec, though? In case you missed it, here is the posting I believe you may be refering to:
“How many more racist, ethnocentric Quebecois need to migrate to Eastern Ontario before current residents see the forest for the trees?
Jamie, perhaps mass hysteria is what is required to get zombie-like English speaking people off their arses and to fight for their rights to work in their own communities or to post a sign in the language of their choice.
By the way, the day I see this take place in a Tim Horton’s in Ontario is the day I march straight up to the United Nations and demand military intervention in the banana republic of Canada.
http://www.montrealmemes.com/fight-at-tim-hortons
There are problems with race relations within Quebec, Pierre. And it isn’t all about language, good sir! Nope, Quebec can add other dynamics within it’s already over-saturated language problems. Keep-in-mind that language is but one of them. And much like you’ve alluded to, this attitude and ignorance are to be found in all ethnicities/races. And no more is this statement true than in that Belle Provence. But please give me examples of all of this occuring in other areas of Canada.
You know, Pierre you are so so right about me. I hate Francophones so so much that I ended up marrying a French girl. And I spent quite a bit of time in Quebec and even my best friend from high school and his girlfriend are card carrying members of the PQ.
I am not anti-French.
I am not anti-Quebec.
I am not anti-Francophone.
If anything, I would have to say that I am anti-Quebec government. I think this is the best description of why I feel the way I do about the Quebec question.
Now, onto my next posting following the original you had posted about. I have provided a portion of it to illustrate another point:
“Now, to ask a few bloggers here to explain away and legitimize an entire province’s approach to these issues is unfair, I understand this. That is of course, assuming that these same bloggers are not Quebec politicians or politicians in Eastern Ontario or even Federally elected representatives with a very real agenda.
But what I don’t understand is their insistent, obsessive, fanatical and almost religious support of this ethnocentric behaviour. Whats more, I someday hope to discover if this behaviour is absolutely intentional knowing full-well the negative consequences of all of this or if they truly are blinded by their faith and think that all of this is for ALL OUR GOOD?
With Stella’s response today though I now realize wholeheartedly that her beliefs stem directly from an ethnocentric, colonizing attitude.
Now, pray I discover the intentions of both Pierre and Richard.”
So, Pierre. Stella has openly admitted on this forum that she thinks bilingual funding should not be re-allocated to save dying aboriginal languages. She has also stated numerous times that the French language is in no way threatened in Canada. She believes, well, in her own words that the aboriginals, “get more than their fair share.”
Now, in a posting you most recently made to Jules above you related:
“The French language being more fragile, because of it’s smaller numbers, is more at risk than is the English language and that is why Québec is more inclined to refuse multi-culturalism.
While it may affect some Anglophones personally, we know that, their language, being as dominant as it is, will prevail.
Will the French language also prevail or will it, as the new languages now spoken, in all of Canada, be, in time, gobbled up by the English language?
That is the most important question… The question that Québécois and Canadians need an answer to, the most.”
No, Pierre, that isn’t the most important question. You are so so blinded by ethnocentric behaviours that your entire focus of the posting was the idea of the French language disappearing in Canada!
Sir, we already have various Aboriginal languages disappearing off of the face of the earth! Why is it that you’re not concerned about this! Instead, the entire theme of your last posting was a percieved possibility of the French language disappearing in Canada………….which is entirely bogus!
So, I have this to ask of you.
Do you believe that present double-dipping bilingualism and French only funding should be re-allocated to save Canada’s indigenous languages? After all, some of the aboriginal languages have already disappeared.
If need be, how about re-instating some of the funding for
French language preservation if the French language is ever in trouble of disappearing in Canada.
I think our priorities should be in saving the indigenous languages near extinct now.
Please good readers of CFN. How do you feel about this idea?
That instead of funding French or English or any other language in Canada; we instead opt to fund our native languages that are really in trouble of disappearing right off the face of the earth?
Comments welcome.
Jules wrote: I had to laugh about the UN sending in the military over something like this which is ridiculous. How funny is that and yet ridiculous is right….LOL When one considers where it’s coming from……not surprising.