Letter to the Editor – Eric Little Language Concerns raised by Bill C-419

Letter to the Editor – Eric Little Language Concerns raised by Bill C-419

ParlaOTTBill C-419 has passed second reading, been referred to committee and a report generated. http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?billId=5526983&Mode=1&Language=E  http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=6092470&File=24#1

My concerns with the bill, to increase guaranteed bilingual roles for 10 positions, are quality of those new hires, where do we get the workers from and when does it stop. The number of qualified possible candidates drops as soon as language is put into place. Perhaps one of the bilingual choices would get the job anyway, but we will never know if this bill goes through. Secondly, you can look at numbers from Mother Tongue or Knowledge of Official Languages, but it would appear the lack of fairness in hiring is slanted towards Quebec,  New Brunswick and Ontario only.  If those senior positions are bilingual, why not second, third and 500th then?

People are being affected by a 40 plus year push for duality, and the numbers prove it is not being effective for that goal, if the government would reduce this push, people would probably get along better.

Mother tongue, as listed by Statistics Canada for the 2011 census, refers to the first language learned at home in childhood and still understood by the individual on May 10, 2011. The following chart lists province by population and number of English / French speakers taken from the Canada Census link below.

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/dp-pd/hlt-fst/lang/Pages/highlight.cfm?TabID=1&Lang=E&Asc=1&OrderBy=1&View=1&tableID=401&queryID=3&Age=1&PRCode=35

Canada Census 2011 – Bilingual Canadians

Province

Total Population

Eng / Fr Bilingual

%

Nfld / Labrador

509,950

465

0.09

PEI

138,435

445

0.32

Nova Scotia

910,615

3,030

0.33

New Brunswick

739,900

6,580

0.88

Quebec

7,815,955

64,800

0.83

Ontario

12,722,065

46,605

0.37

Manitoba

1,193,095

3,800

0.32

Saskatchewan

1,018,310

1,730

0.17

Alberta

3,610,180

8,410

0.23

British Columbia

4,356,210

8,600

0.19

Yukon

33,655

140

0.42

North West Terr.

41,035

75

0.18

Nunavut

31,765

10

0.03

Totals

33,121,175

144,685

0.44

Plus

Eng+Fr+non official

24,095

0.51

 

Knowledge of official languages refers to whether the person can conduct a conversation in English, French, in both or in neither language. For a child who has not yet learned to speak, this includes languages that the child is learning to speak at home.

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/dp-pd/hlt-fst/lang/Pages/highlight.cfm?TabID=1&Lang=E&Asc=1&PRCode=01&OrderBy=999&View=1&Age=1&tableID=402&queryID=1

 

Canada Census 2011

 Knowledge of Official Languages

Province

Total Population

Eng / Fr Bilingual

%

Nfld / Labrador

509,950

23,450

4.2

PEI

138,435

17,005

12.28

Nova Scotia

910,615

93,435

10.26

New Brunswick

739,900

245,885

33.23

Quebec

7,815,955

3,328,725

42.59

Ontario

12,722,065

1,395,805

10.97

Manitoba

1,193,095

103,145

8.64

Saskatchewan

1,018,310

46,570

4.57

Alberta

3,610,180

235,565

6.52

British Columbia

4,356,210

296,645

6.81

Yukon

33,655

4,420

13.13

North West Terr.

41,035

3,720

9.06

Nunavut

31,765

1,200

3.77

Totals

33,121,175

5,795,575

17.5

 

 

 

 

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James Moak

 

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So, far less than 17.5% gets to wag the dog.

Only in Candaye.

Once this bill goes through, and it will, the hijacking of the

CANADIAN FEDERAL GOD DAMN GOVERNMENT by the

PROVINCE OF BEAUTIFUL QUEBEC will seal the fate for the ROC

for sure then, aye! bI-LINGUA TO THE 9’S FOR SURE.

All of this for a mere 200 billion $ and 10 years to go and nirvana here we come…strait to the Utopian society of Pierre Elliot Trudeau’s dreams.

peter
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peter

Again we have the tools to fight. Boycotts. Refusal to talk to bilingual people ( french) and demanding to speak to a person that is culturally compatable. Stay away , if at all possible from any business that promotes bilingualism. Set up web sites to inform Canadians of what is going on. Forward all videos from CFN to any and all friends and relatives, in Canada. Begin to put pressure on all politicians to justify this policy of forced bilingualism. begin lobbying for a separate quebec, as quebec, is all but a defacto separate nation now. These are just a… Read more »

Cory Cameron
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Cory Cameron

No worries boys. Since we tried to let war play in court and they showed their true colours; let’s just let war now play in the streets.

Amateurs they are.

Cory Cameron
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Cory Cameron

No not at all, Jamie. I’m just not feeding them anymore. I meant it when I said that I would no longer read their posts let alone respond to them.

Highlander
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Highlander

Great letter Eric, This appeasement reeks of exclusion of the majority.Canada is the sum of ALL the provinces and territories not just a few select provinces. Clearly the majority is not bilingual 83% ,but the conditions of requirement eliminates most individuals and therefore any representatives outside of Quebec,Ontario and possibly NewBrunswick . One must ask why exclude an applicant for these high level government jobs on language alone ? Canada remains the sum of ALL the provinces and Territories and representatives of these should have equal access and putting language requirements does not allow this. There is no greater wedge… Read more »

Highlander
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Highlander

When will our Federal government make an ethical stand and protect and Guarantee the Canadian Charter Of Rights and Freedoms FOR ALL CANADIANS. Quebec and their bill 14 violates the charters 23(b)Minority Language educational rights. Legal Rights section 8 of the charter reads -Everyone has a right to be secure against unreasonable search and seizure . Bill 14 will allow Language police to search and seizure without a warrant of a business establishment with regards to language requirements set forth in bill 14. Charter Of Rights – Fundamental Freedoms 2(B) EVERYONE has the fundamental rights freedoms -Freedom of thought, belief,… Read more »

peter
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peter

@ Eric

Is there any way you can forward these stats to our M.P.’S and to queen’s park ??

these are the types of stats, as well as edudyorlik’s videos and Eric’s stats, that should be forwarded daily to M.P.’S and as many people across the nation as possible.
Perhaps this can be done through CLF . Just a suggestion

stellabystarlight
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stellabystarlight

Jamie, you must be kidding…..right? OMG I never thought you were that naïve……lol The ENGLISH RADICALS do not scare anyone, they are the one’s running scared pas nous. Do you ever get tired of BS and the same old stories that are repeated over and over again. Kids dying, sandwiches flying, language on signs, people fighting in the streets, all because of the French. It gets to be boring after 2 1/2 years…..and they are still crying. The hardest part to deal with is how the English radicals exaggerate, fabricate twist and turn the posts to suit their agenda. They… Read more »

stellabystarlight
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stellabystarlight

cory wrote……..No not at all, Jamie. I’m just not feeding them anymore. I meant it when I said that I would no longer read their posts let alone respond to them.

Thank-you……about time

edudyorlik
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Hi all, I am amazed that there isn’t more outrage about the fact that the new Liberal leader who is supposed to represent ALL Canadians — (of which – as we all know – is made up of a majority of some 80% Anglophones) — stood in the house of commons for the first time and spoke his VERY FIRST WORDS — in French — thus appealing to — his — 17% minority Francophone base. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q9OT-OkjKM&hd=1 Isn’t ANYONE even just a little “put off” with how the English media misrepresented the way “things went down” for this oh so momentous… Read more »

peter
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peter

@ edudyorlik The liberal party of Canada , represents only french interests in Canada. The anglo M.P.’S are a disgrace, they remind me of the liberal M.P.’S under quebec liberal governments, of the 1970’s through the 1990’s, and beyond. They are harlettes , to the causes and votes the pro french aganda must have to succeed. None more prominent than bob rae himself. The MDM, for the liberals in JT, leader of their house of English repute. I have conveyed this to others, many times. It is time for serious and effective legal actions to be embarked upon. Web sites,… Read more »

peter
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peter

@ Cory

Very wise decision to ignore the ignorant.

Eric
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Eric

I highly recommend to everyone a good read. The Big Shift is important enough against the ruling class that our Official Languages Commissioner took time out of his busy year (300 complaints last year?) to write a book report about it.
http://www.ocol-clo.gc.ca/html/letter_lettre_08042013_e.php

I love the new handle stellabystarlight.
ENGLISH RADICALS are coming to a venue near you. The opening act just announced are the Exaggerations with their dance step video, the fabricated twist.

PJ Robertson
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PJ Robertson

@ edudyorlick

Surely, following the logic of history Justin Trudeau should have spoken first in Algonquin, second in French, third in English?

peter
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peter

The best thing JT has going for us is Bob Rae, with Rae in his corner, along with his wife abusing boxing friend ,well…… JT , is not exactly surrounded by Rhodes scholars. Its time for Harper to the pedal to the metal, and begin to showcase his 7 years as P.M., this is despite a horrible world economic crisis of 08-09. Not only did we survive, but again, because of Harper and Mark Carney, we are now models for other G-20 nations to emulate. When quebec leaves, we can then add more additional monies that we now waste on… Read more »

PJ Robertson
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PJ Robertson

admin, yes, agree.

peter
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peter

@ Admin I believe, that people should be aware of the facts as they happened. The liberals today are a broken party. I also believe that JT, as good looking as he is, as charming as he is , is NOT HIS FATHER> As much as I came to see trudeau senior for what he was, he was still extremely intelligent, and surrounded himself with the best political minds of the day. Pellitier, Marchard, Lalonde, Davy and the like. trudeau sr. also had a liberal machine inherited from Lester B.Pearson, the last of the true liberals in Canada. Now ,compare… Read more »

edudyorlik
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@PJ Robertson RE: POST on April 24, 2013 at 2:12 pm PJ wrote, “@ edudyorlick Surely, following the logic of history Justin Trudeau should have spoken first in Algonquin, second in French, third in English?” Actually, as a representative of the FEDERAL Liberal party one would think it would be more prudent to “play to the numbers” of the voting population of Canada in terms of percentages, but that’s OK, our media took care of that for him. To be honest PJ the whole idea of injecting these kinds of arguments into “today’s political realm” is simply a deflection tactic… Read more »

Highlander
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Highlander

Eric April 24, 2013 at 12:57 pm “The Big Shift is important enough against the ruling class that our Official Languages Commissioner took time out of his busy year (300 complaints last year?) to write a book report about it.” I would really like for Graham Fraser to focus on his job and address bill 101 and 14 as that remains oppressive to the other official language we do not hear much about THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE and those oppressed Quebec minorities. If he was truly representing BOTH official languages why not address bill 101 or 14 or is it only… Read more »

Highlander
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Highlander

Hell I would vote for the DEVIL if he would Guarantee and enforce the charter so that ALL Canadians were treated equal.

Is Justin ready to do that !

edudyorlik
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@peter RE: April 24, 2013 at 12:43 pm POST Peter wrote, “@ edudyorlik The liberal party of Canada , represents only french interests in Canada.” That MAY very well be THE ROOT of the problem in this country Peter. I truly believe there are MANY (likely more in this camp than in yours) good hard working Canadians that DO NOT like the hard on crime (in the wrong ways), spend money on war machines, throw money at corporations instead of people to help build better communities, cheat and deceive while “pretending to be the good guys” kind of “American style”… Read more »

peter
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peter

@ admin Yes it is very true , when referencing Kim Campbell. 1992-93 to be exact. However, since those dark years, the conservatives have come full circle. They have gone through periods in the house when they only had 2 seats, Elsie Wayne from N.B. ( ST. John) and Jean Chearest ( Sherbrooke ) But since those dark days, the party, having kissed and made with the reformers, Harper’s previous party, saw the light in unity. Although they have neo-Cons, and red torries, the common thread they managed to adhere to ,is unity. The current version of the liberals has… Read more »

peter
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peter

@ edudyorlik Great post. Some English in Canada, live in a world I am not famliar wih. Are they naive, blind or just plain OUT OF IT, if they cannot see that the majority in Canada, is loosing power. In any democracy in the world, THE MAJORITY RULES, that is the very definition of democracy. I stated this on numerous occasions, the fench were never, ever threatened, in either language or culture. If they were anywhere close to this myth, they would have disappeared prior to the quiet revolution when these so called laws to protect them were not on… Read more »

peter
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peter

@ edudyorlik I hate the Rud Limbaugh’s and Anne Coulter’s .Glenn Beck’s etc. as well. But, there are no other current Canadian parties that come close to the conservatives regarding language. And, having said that ,they are the best of a very bad bunch. That is why I have consistently advocted for a new Canadian party, that first and foremost ,has getting quebec, OUT OF CANADA as its main platform. Should this ever happen , we can then sort out our Canadian differences , without having to fear for our very existence as a culture. The other threat , is… Read more »

edudyorlik
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@admin April 24, 2013 at 8:39 pm admin wrote, “not one of the current big three political parties support anything other than official bilingualism. Even the Harper mugs don’t oppose it, at least officially.” This is VERY true sir but, in defense of say (the best hope) the conservatives. Why would they, (or ANYONE under these circumstances) take a chance at opposing something that the general populace has NOT shown any will to opposing itself. Not to mention how entrenched things are. Just look at how much flack the PM has received for appointing the unilingual AG. The French media… Read more »

Highlander
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Highlander

Eric, “People are being affected by a 40 plus year push for duality, and the numbers prove it is not being effective for that goal, if the government would reduce this push, people would probably get along better.” The Government is not interested in people getting along better ,just in pushing the agenda. Democracy is dying in Canada when representatives for upper positions no longer come from the general population as a whole but for a few select,due to language requirements . We are creating our own “made in Canada ” caste system and its directly related to entitlements of… Read more »

Eric
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Eric

Highlander, the Conservatives have been careful to add a “nation” here, a little”aquaculture” there, and playing with EI that affects the east the most but central appreciates that effort. I am little surprised with catering to language which is mostly to satisfy Quebec, they were rewarded with what, 5 seats from there last election. Changes are ahead with all of the new riding’s.

Official bilingualism is a wonderful ideal, practical bilingualism is what is needed as making 2 languages “equal” means unilinguals pay the price.

peter
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peter

@ admin Correct, all three parties suppot bilingualism. However, this is the very reason why I am pushing for quebec to leave Canada, and they will,this is a fore gone conclusion. Eventually, conditions will be right for separation and they will vote to go. It almost happened in 1995. It is also why, I have pushed for Canadians to look at forming their own political party that has as its platform a separate quebec and an all English nine province Canada. There is NOTHING CANADIAN about quebec. Their very laws reflect that they DO NOT WANT TO BE PART OF… Read more »

peter
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peter

@ admin Yes that USED to be true. But tell me Jamie, how can you endorse a province that has the laws it has on its books and that future laws will be even more anti-English ? This I don’t understand. How can you say quebec makes Canada, when there is NOTHING CANADIAN about quebec? Agian, please explain . IN no other province in Canada, or the western hemisphere for that matter, do languagwe cops exist. No where in any western jurisdiction , that I know of, that the English language is outlawed. Come on Jamie. Canada did NOT INITIATE… Read more »

edudyorlik
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ON April 25, 2013 at 8:25 am, in response to a POST by Peter basically saying that it’s time to let Quebec have what they have wanted for many years now, which is to be a separate country. And Peter also rightfully pointing out that just about everything “the powers that be in Quebec” – whether it be Liberal or PQ governments) is and have done over the years clearly demonstrates that they want EVERYTHING THEIR OWN WAY or they simply have straightforwardly made it clear that won’t play — THIS CAN NO LONGER be acceptable to the ROC —… Read more »

peter
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peter

@ admin When you say that quebec makes Canada, how do you think the people in the other nine provinces would feel about that comment? What are they chopped liver? They only pay the lion’s share of our tax dollars. When you also say we live in a democracy, whose democracy ? quebec’s ? The french nationalists ? The french politicians that have taken over the reigns of power in Ottawa? Jamie, if we lived in a true democracy, then bills 101, possibly bill14 and the other anti-English policies and laws in quebec would not exist. The English here have… Read more »

peter
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peter

@ admin, I have been called a lot of things in my life but ,NEVER an angry old man. I laughed like hell when I read that. I am however, NOT A DUDE, whatever that means. I completely agree with you regards the last paragraph you wrote. I have stated this many times that quebec, has done, not a better job of working the system, but a great job. The English have done nothing UP TILL NOW . To my knowledge I haven’t yelled any epitaphs, lately, nor was nasty, if I was you would really know it. If I… Read more »

Eric
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Eric

These people are fighting the good fight, reading I am a champion for Canada part 2 , is astounding.
http://oqla.org/

Edudyorlik
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Peter, congrats… What you wrote was SO poignant that I AM GOING TO RE-POST IT. Peter wrote, ” When you also say we live in a democracy, whose democracy ? quebec’s ? The french nationalists ? The french politicians that have taken over the reigns of power in Ottawa? Jamie, if we lived in a true democracy, then bills 101, possibly bill14 and the other anti-English policies and laws in quebec would not exist. The English here have virtually NO SAY in the governing of this country when it comes to bilinugal policy and regulations that we as English citizens… Read more »

peter
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peter

@ Eric, Great post, especially the letter. I had seen the video before. Its a joke to the french in quebec that the English show up and fight for their rights. Unforteunately they ( The English ) will get nowhere. As usual, the feds duck, ignore, bob, and weave, anything but deal head on with this issue. I have always said if, you want something done, do it yourself. This is the position the English are in today. WE can go on for another 60 years, and still nothing will happen to balance the scales of equality over bilingualism and… Read more »

peter
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peter

@ admin

I forgot to ask you, why are you comparing us to the US ,are you anti-American ???

Cory Cameron
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Cory Cameron

Jamie, you wrote: “Edudyorlik we do live in a Democracy, and one sadly that gave the Separatists in Quebec a free pass. You can’t blame Separatists for wanting more for their agenda. You can blame the “Neville Chamberlain” types for capitulating instead of pushing back or simply saying, no, enough. From within Quebec and outside people never really committed to mounting a real push back. And when there was some sprouts of hope hard liners generally alienated popular support.” Jamie I think you’re right when you say that separatists in Quebec have received a free pass. Of course only this… Read more »

peter
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peter

@ admin Your commentary is dead on. The English complacency hurt, and hurt badly. But between the complacency were violent acts , that have affected the course of action taken by the federal and provincal governments. They became intimidated. As for appeasing , yes that too is correct. but ,when suggestions are made to push back, we are met with an avalanche of opposition from people. There is only so much we can suggest by way of pushback. I have listed in previous posts some suggestions on how we are to aspproch this. Again, I was met with oppostion. So,… Read more »

Cory Cameron
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Cory Cameron

@ Edudyorlik, Peter, Highlander: Edudyorlik you wrote: “The Anglophones in this country should get off their rear ends and ACTUALLY MAKE it known how much we oppose what is going on and make OUR PRESENCE FELT. IT’S TIME.” May I offer an alternative. Why not appeal to our lazy, beer drinking and tim horton’s coffee sipping breathren the country over to a different tune. Why not appeal to this, ‘lack of getting off of their rear ends sort of appeal’? Why don’t we suggest all English Canadians (the ones who still have jobs and haven’t been ousted from them yet)… Read more »

peter
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peter

@ cory

IM in. I’ll do anything legal to further our cause. Boycott, protests, web site, one day strikes, info meetings, emails you name, I’ll do it, if its legal and non violent.

Eric
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Eric

Seems like doing nothing might work…… http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/04/25/dan-delmar/