Dave Windsor of Cornwall Ontario Hasn’t Given Up on a Beach – LTE – June 23, 2013

Dave Windsor of Cornwall Ontario Hasn’t Given Up on a Beach – LTE – June 23, 2013

Cornwall Inlet BeachSubject: Lamoureux Park Beach Still Possible

I was doing my thrice weekly walk with a friend. We passed by the inlet just below the RCAFA Wing. Our approach was from the boat launching ramp and kids were enjoying a swim in the inlet, from the south side.

When I and friends presented a beach idea to the Water front Committee (3rd time done) we focused on the North edge of the inlet. Today I could envision the opposite or southern edge of the inlet with a sandy beach approach from the bike path on the peninsula to the water.

The kids loved it. They all ran down the narrow docking ramps and jumped right in. It was beautiful. What a loss to the city of Cornwall that so many have their heads buried somewhere deep that they can not see the advantages of having our own beach in the middle of Lamoureux Park.

This truly is a perfect spot for it.

A gunnite(cement) bottom layer would cover up the concerns of any deep pollutants.  Also, this inlet was dredge their in 1970.  It was not part of the original flow but rather a back wash pool…far less to no pollutants here and a gunnite would secure the bottom anyway.

Pulling the earth back to bevel the south approach, layer it with sands. Picnic tables for family time and portables for wash room breaks and changing. IT CAN AN SHOULD BE DONE.

Is it selfishness of the RCAFA Wing and other city fathers wanting this pristine pleasure for themselves. That continues to destroy any attempts to reclaim this area for the children?

To date we have had no proof of sediment issues, which, if a concern to any degree, can, as often done around the world, be covered by the base cementing approach.

The geese are here for 6-8 weeks until their goslings can fly and are mostly outside of this pond area.  It is my hope that this project will be revisited with more fervor and desire on behalf of a community who needs it.  I do not believe what we are told up to this point.  I do believe there may be ulterior motives withholding this approach.

If it is a project that we want the money will come.  Grants and donations are very possible as they are for many other ‘community’ driven project.

Dave Windsor
Cornwall, On

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Colleen
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Yeah, we were there on Friday doing some fishing while a few teens were jumping off the new docks. It was also cute seeing the goslings and such BUT we were there today and the remnants of the geese are absolutely disgusting! Kids can’t be kids playing in the grass for all the poop around! This problem is the biggest reason why we stopped going to the beaches on the Long Sault Parkway. So if you want a beach at this inlet…how are you going to keep the grassy areas (and walkways) clean of this crap? It’s certainly not maintained… Read more »
Dave Windsor
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All in due time Colleen. The HEALTH unit does regular checks on all beaches. Initial work certainly is needed. With people congealing in the area, the geese will back off. For now there is regular maintenance of the bike paths at least with a city spiraling broom/collector system. It can be doubled up in a beach area. Yes, there will have to be maintenance and management w/ lifeguards, unless the city decides to post ‘Swim at Your Own Risk’ or ‘No Swimming’. As it is they did post no swimming where pleasure/fishing craft loading docks are but they too are… Read more »
George Gordon
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Sorry but I can’t see council forgoing any possibility of loosing income to the pool .But I can I see the problem of boaters trying to get in or out of the water with their boats .The children are there at the docks now and don’t follow the no swimming now, really can see the traffic problem, children running back and forth cars trying to park to get in and out boaters trying to get in and out ,bike path runs right across entrance to the boat ramp now .Only one way in and out. Boaters always stop just pass… Read more »
jules
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Mr. Windsor this lady Colleen is right about picnic tables and garbage cans in water and some people are so mighty inconsiderate that they destroy these things. Even here in Ottawa it is the same problem with the people and they have destroyed a bench that we normally like to sit on here. People get drunk and act up. I have seen it at Guindon Park as well and adults doing the destruction and not just some crazy teenagers. About goose poop you may have a huge problem and may have to contact the Ministry of Natural Resources on what… Read more »
garywsamler
Member
Dave I fully agree that a beach would be a wonderful attraction for Cornwall, but unfortunately drastic change is needed first before anything can happen here. Our leaders and managers at City Hall all have their heads too far up their asses. I think that a boardwalk and family picnic area would also be a great addition to better the quality of our community. Unless Cornwall unites as a community to kick out Mayor Bob, his lame, asskissing council and Bob’s crony clique friends nothing good will ever come to or change in our city. Our wonderous leaders have proven… Read more »
Sick of Stupidity
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Don’t agree with a beach yet at this point. City cannot control geese poop or anything else for that matter as it is now. Look at the failed beaches in Long Sault! We camp out of town just for that reason.
Not saying never on the beach suggestion, but with this council it is just not the right time. They only work with themselves.

copykat
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Beach ould be nice for people that dont drive or have cars yes i agree. but all this city thinks about is condos and the old people this city has nothing for kids they are even taking out the pools like come on who wants to raise kids here nowadays

the guy
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as a matter of fact all that area was a swimming place for the kids when i grew up and also we use to have a nice beach behind the college when i awas little taht is where w e spent our summer plus at horifitz pack we had a nice pool but hey teh city wanted to make money other wise and tear it doen and now there nowhere for the kids to go and lots of poor kids that why they swim at teh boat launch and if you look at there faces how happy they are we… Read more »
Dave Windsor
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I would like to thank all who have responded to my re-visit of a beach idea. There are real variables to overcome, I agree. Mr. Gordon references the problem with the main boat ramp area and children at play in the water and on the docks, despite signs to the contrary. I was like that too. It was hard for me to ignore the water ‘just because’ a sign was there…….as it has been for thousands of children for a thousand years. Mr. Gordon is quite right however, that ramping area is inappropriate for swimming. It is the ‘other’ inlet… Read more »
jules
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There used to be Horwitz Park as well as St. Lawrence Park and St. Lawrence Park was across from Courthaulds and they have Courthaulds cottages there. Horwitz Park has been turned into a shopping mall and I haven’t been to the old St. Lawrence Park on Montreal Road where the cottages are located. Maybe the old St. Lawrence Park might be a good location – I don’t know since I don’t live there anymore. Like someone said here which is true people would be a hindrance with the boaters coming in and enough problems with them as is. Goose poop… Read more »
jules
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Mr. Windsor tables here in Ottawa are anchored down and the problem here is not that they are not anchored down but they literally destroy the tables and the benches. We live in a very bad society nowadays and people were never taught to respect anything. I too would love to see a beach in Cornwall just like yourself but I can say that there would be plenty of problems that police would have a difficult time with. Here in Ottawa they charge fees for people to use the park for BBQ and picnics and last year it was $7./day.… Read more »
george gordon
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# 1 Stagnant water ,will require pumps to circulate the water .have to deal with Oceans and fisheries , Eco system problems .Life guards .Liability .Parking and traffic . Boaters .Fishing off the Peninsula .I have photos I can send you that show on a good day the number of geese in there in November 2012, ranging from the West end of the inlet to the East end of the Peninsula . This is my favourite area to walk from the Wing to the complex and back .I have to tiptoe on the bike path in an effort to not… Read more »
jules
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Mr. Windsor I will show you some pictures of Vincent Massey Park here in Ottawa and click on the picture to see how they have the picnic tables anchored to cement. The park is owned by NCC (National Capital Commission) but it is maintained by a private contractor who maintains the park better than the high paid personnel as well as the washrooms etc. There is another picture of a bandshell like what you have in Cornwall and many people of foreign countries play their music in the bandshell. It was like that a few years ago. My husband and… Read more »
jules
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George Gordon I call it “tiptoeing through the tulips.” LOL LOL. I sure do agree with you on that. There is also a problem with dogs doing their thing as well. I know that Mr. Windsor has excellent ideas but it does pose a lot of problems. Here in Ottawa those benches and picnic tables are maintained all the time both replacing parts as well as painting and there is a private contractor that looks after that called “Caltrio” and there is one young man there who looks after the trees and plants and he is studying horticulture. A very… Read more »
jules
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Mr. Dave Windsor and Mr. George Gordon there are plenty of photos on Mooney’s Beach and I will be sending you some now. Some of the photos are taken in winter because they teach cross country skiing there as well. We have a friend who skis there along with his uncle who is a medical doctor and is an old school mate of my husband’s. Good to keep in shape. http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/06/16/the-bc http://www.invisiblestructures.com/project_pro http://ottawa.capen/residents/parks-and-recrea http://www.yelp.ca/biz_photos/mooneys-bay-p http://www.robhuntley.ca/kite-Aerial-Photography http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mooney%27s-Bay In the park of Mooney’s Bay they have docs at certain areas where they have pleasure boats as well as people do dragon boat… Read more »
jules
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One more thing to both of you Mr. Windsor and Mr. Gordon is that a Horwitz Park is a much better and much less costly idea to go. Mayor Horwitz was a great mayor of his day and those of us who lived in those days and sometime after remember the good days of Cornwall. Don’t try to make Cornwall look like Ottawa and spoil the town with high rise buildings which are as ugly as can be and mighty costly to maintain. Our landlord is in with his brothers in these ventures and it costs him an arm and… Read more »
Dave Windsor
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George Gordon and Jules, once again I thank you for your input. You sure do put forward some dynamic concerns. I am not an eternal optimist here, looking for a white night either. There are limitations to hurdle, I too well know. When I took this on last year, you can see by the mock ups printed here, drawn by one of two friends who happen to both be very informed, professional engineers. After really scouring the water from the OPG to Grey’s Creek Marina, all areas with potential had so many of the same concerns as you have expressed,… Read more »
believeme77
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This whole conversation is a waist of time , the WFC has turned you down , Adm appears to not be in favor , City Council spends all our extra money on out of town Lawyers defending themselves and your asking for what / 300 grand to cement the bottom ,well
let me tell you Sir you aren’t going to get it . Might also point out to you that a storm sewer empties directly into that pond . At any rate hang in there man and keep the faith .

jules
Guest
Mr. Dave Windsor what I showed you as pictures of Mooney’s Bay and Vincent Massey Park are only small areas compared to what that park and beach really is. We walk for quite a distance every day in the park and it is a very costly venture to maintain. It used to be free for the public at Vincent Massey but no more not since a couple of years after we came back to live in Ottawa and I would say it started to charge in 2007. The park and the beach are well maintained and that takes money to… Read more »
Dave Windsor
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believeme77 and jules: Your frankness is underwhelming, just as it is inviting. Not sure of the fact of the ‘storm’ sewer but at least it is not a city sewage sewer, though there may be one of those up stream which would flow out further as it goes downstream. I do believe that all city raw sewage though is now directed directly to the treatment plant. Whatever the issues regarding money, we will ALWAYS have issues. That is the nature of the beast. It would then be a matter of priorities. Through it all, I would have to say that… Read more »
jules
Guest
Mr. Dave Windsor you never give up on a dream. Yes it is a mighty costly thing to do and the “lame brained mayor – Bare Ass” spent millions of dollars on that “tax mahal – a real albatross” that you call a Benson Centre that is going to take the taxpayers down with it into bankruptcy as well as his fancy big city lawyers. If it were to be another arena that nitwit that you call a mayor would jump head first into it. I am for the little people in Cornwall aka Fossoli as I call it LOL… Read more »
Dave Windsor
Guest
THE BENSON CENTER is exactly what I and happy about……..honestly, this too was someones dream….perhaps more than just someone but I believe it was put forward by Glen Grant and quite frankly it in my view has shown to be a real success. Believe it or not, it was due to this council, minus 2 or 3 from former term, that got all there ducks in a row to get it off the ground. Frankly Jules, I am quite proud of it. It is a major boon for the city taht will continue to draw major tournaments for year to… Read more »
jules
Guest
Yes I heard about the PPP Mr. Windsor. I too thought about 1958 about all the dredging and if a beach were made in the St. Lawrence River here in Cornwall what chemicals would surface. That would be a real health hazard and I sure wouldn’t want anything to happen to people. I miss the past so very much that it eats at me. The public pools in the parks should remain open. What else do kids have in Cornwall. Even here in Ottawa there isn’t that much and kids rely on those public pools. At another apartment building that… Read more »
Dave Windsor
Guest
Positive items on the agenda for Cornwall Jules. Some of your concerns, I would suggest, are not without some merit. I believe one BIG job need here in Cornwall is and will be on going and that is TRUCK DRIVERS, from shunting trucks on lots or from lot to lots, to long haul drivers. I looks like another mall will be built at the corner or Boundary Road and Marleau Ave. as well. With the Canadian and USA CUSTOMS BOTH ON THE USA side of the actual border line moving there by 2016 area things are again, moving in a… Read more »
Dave Windsor
Guest

Oh, yes Jules, not to leave them out, the bacon plant is adding a 37 million dollar extension 70,000 sq ft. extension and there is talk once again of the Best Bay coming to town.

Yup, things are looking up….finally aye!

jules
Guest
Mr. Windsor I did see some good things that have come to Cornwall and coming. Do you mean “Best Buy” Store. We have those big box stores here in Ottawa. The only big box stores that I have gone to was mostly Future Shop and I have been at Best Buy once and I go to Costco every now and then. Costco would be good for Cornwall and people buy in bulk. I don’t buy much because I have a small family and we mostly purchase at Farm Boy, Your Independent, Wal Mart and Food Basics. We go to my… Read more »
Diddlysquatt.
Guest

I was reminded today that the Best Buy may not be a store but yet another distribution center for Best Buy/Future Shop (same company).

More formal announcements are potentially down the pipe…or on the way.

10th st. appears to be the location. This is NOT official yet.

jules
Guest

Mr. Windsor I think that another Horwitz Park would be a good idea since there are a lot of poor kids and swimming in that dirty water and boat launch is dangerous. Not everyone can afford to go and swim at the pool at the complex and this would be something for everyone. I remember the park near the college and those were the good days. I used to swim at Horwitz Park as well.

pp
Guest
There is a free splash pad and no goose poop concerns close by so I don’t see that as a major issue. To me it is the location. It’s just too close by to some dangerous things. There are some, I am not sure exactly on what it is called but where the trolley (or street cars) system used to be there are some major undertow and current for some kinda of mechanical turbines (maybe) that pose a very unsafe play area. Not too mention there some very steep cliffs around the water, I dunno just doesn’t seem like place… Read more »
Dave Windsor
Guest
pp August 27, 2013 at 12:43 am Thank you pp for your note of concern. I respect all your reasoning’s, yet I feel with the right approach, all of them can be overcome. First off, either the north approach or the south approach and th west end of the inlet in question can be excavated or ‘added to’ to allow for a 12 to 15 degree pitch into the water, then laden with a sand fill into the water. Along with the excavation and sand, a ‘gummite’ or cement bottom could cover over the entire bottom to the point or… Read more »
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