Union Appeals for Five Fired City of Cornwall Ontario Workers as Council Runs Late ? August 15, 2013

Union Appeals for Five Fired City of Cornwall Ontario Workers as Council Runs Late ?  August 15, 2013

Cornwall City skylineCFN – The five workers thought to have been fired by City Hall are awaiting a decision after their union has gone to bat for them.

The Municipal Works workers alleged to have been fired for Time Theft have all been muzzled by threat of their union not going to bat for them.

The Monday Night City Council meeting opened over 30 minutes late as fierce arguments could be heard in the hallway as one of those terminated was school board Trustee and Mayoralty candidate himself Todd Lalonde.   Councilor Andre Rivette left shortly after the closed session of council ended and did not stay for the open meeting.   Last Friday Mr. Lalonde was reported to have had meetings with the CAO Norm Levac and HR Manager Dail Levesque.

Sources expect  most of the five will be reinstated after the Union finishes its process of appeal as long as the employees stay muzzled and play ball meaning taxpayers may never truly find out what exactly has transpired and how much it’s cost the employees and the taxpayer.

The process is frustrating many taxpayers who are complaining that the City is staying silent on the matter.   Norm Levac is not returning phone calls and has given media non answers.  While we can understand the need for individual privacy, anytime you terminate nearly 20% of a department there should be a statement or release of some sort?

The buzz though is that this was a bad pr move by City Hall to try and redeem their credibility in light of the Mayor’s scandals and Kilger Bench BLUEcover ups and taking out a possible rival in the next election that simply went awry when it went public.

 

If you are going to start nailing people at City Hall shouldn’t you start at the top?

What about giving out tenders to companies that have City staff as owners or part owners; a gross violation of the City’s Conflict of Interest policy?    Or the Conflict of Interest of Mayor Kilger that has led to an alleged $3M and growing amount spent on pay offs, terminations, and litigation?

The status quo and rule of thumb at City Hall seems to be “Say Nothing”.

Maybe these five are guilty?   But did they do something new or simply the status quo of issues complained about for years regarding different departments at City Hall?

Were there warning’s issued?    And with the silence where is the accountability and transparency?

And if the Union is successful in getting reinstatements for all or most of those terminated what will the cost have been to the City in terms of dollars and worker morale?   Was this the best way to go and should our CAO and HR manager be held accountable too?

What do you think Cornwall?  You can post your comments below.

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mariah
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“The buzz though is that this was a bad pr move by City Hall to try and redeem their credibility in light of the Mayor’s scandals and Kilger Bench BLUEcover ups and taking out a possible rival in the next election that simply went awry when it went public.”

I think that you nailed it Jaime,he is just trying to avert attention from his corruption & court issues,but bareass bob….this will not make me forget!!!

localguy
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Why give them any special treatment? Time theft is theft and their salaries are paid by our taxes. So essentially they were stealing from the community as a whole.

If you worked at bank, factory or retail store you would be fired with no second thought, but since they are unionized city employees it’s some how different?????

Julie
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Time theft is a serious issue. This is in fact a crime in itself. If guilty these employees have cost city taxpapers money.

Why should they be treated any differently then others that do not have a union. Stealing company time deserves a firing on the spot.

This act is dishonest and outright plain laziness.

While I agree, that Mr. Kilger has many issues I do not believe that the alleged theft of time of Mr. Lalonde and 4 other employees relate to the upcoming election.

Diddlyscwatt
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Re: Julie August 15, 2013 at 7:56 am Quote: “While I agree, that Mr. Kilger has many issues I do not believe that the alleged theft of time of Mr. Lalonde and 4 other employees relate to the upcoming election.: Not everyone will see this as ‘clearly’ as you said Julie, not that it is not a possibility, I agree with you. Issues like this are not managed so callously. Management would have viewed the follow-ups with due diligence and hard taken decisions as they would be aware of the significances and the negative innuendo’s. They call a spade a… Read more »
jason
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I heard Todd has his job back.

stellabystarlight
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The buzz though is that this was a bad pr move by City Hall to try and redeem their credibility in light of the Mayor’s scandals and Kilger Bench BLUEcover ups and taking out a possible rival in the next election that simply went awry when it went public. The buzz word is just that, buzz. Nothing concrete and lacking credibility. I agree with Julie she wrote: While I agree, that Mr. Kilger has many issues I do not believe that the alleged theft of time of Mr. Lalonde and 4 other employees relate to the upcoming election. In the… Read more »
cityBS
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Mr. Rivette stormed out of council because he went to bat for Todd Lalonde, that’s very clear after reading this article and the one in today’s freeholder, nothing he can say will prove otherwise. Proof its now politics and politics will get you your job back, even when there is proof of guilt. Mr. Rivette might want to watch who he spoke too about all this because the person or persons he told, spoke about it to someone else who in turn told another. Small town Cornwall is. 5 people stole time period, the city never asked them too, they… Read more »
jules
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Like I said before FIRE THEM ALL FROM THE VERY TOP IN ADMINISTRATION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE LOWLIEST JOB WHO SWEEPS THE STREETS, PICKS UP GARBAGE, ETC. and hire people without any union at all and who will work without a complaint and be happy to have a job. Not only that hire by contract – contract out to a private group and you will see the job much better done. Bare Ass has enough on his plate of steeling the taxpayers money and doesn’t want competition. Thank God that I no longer live in Cornwall paying my… Read more »
Dave321
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Wow, Todd Lalonde stealing hours!!!!! Instead of running for city counsel next term, he should be a Senator!!!!!

Simon
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So far we’ve been presented with rumours, and the exagerated term “time theft”. It’s a bit over the top to compare a lazy ass or shirker to a thief. Taking a dump at work instead of at home, taking a half dozen time outs for a smoke, calling the bank, Cogeco or Bell, talking about last nights game to a co-worker, checking the weather online, a little birthday celebration …probably acceptable. So what was the behaviour that rates this “criminal” tag of theft? Unless there has been an actual false statement of work performed or hours on the job, fraud,… Read more »
Scott Stevens
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Agree Simon, Apparently this “supposed” time theft has been an ongoing practice for quite some time and the administration has done nothing to stop it, so in reality they condoned it as an acceptable practice. In light of this City administration should have issued a directive that this type of behaviour should stop ASAP. Have they never heard of progressive discipline???? You just cannot fire someone for a practice that has been condoned for over 10 years! I don’t always agree with unions but in this regard I do as City administration is just exposing itself to another wrongful dismissal… Read more »
Julie
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Very well, if some of these five individuals do get their job back, can we as tax payers be assured they are paying back every penny they have stolen from us. Shame on each and every one of you.. Isn’t great having a union to protect you! Wow, just because some of you may get your job back gentleman this does not mean that the time theft did not occur, let us all remember this Cornwall!!!!! What was done by these dispatchers is in fact a crime. if we would ever do this at our jobs this would be an… Read more »
ridingshotgun
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Jules, well said. Rob a bank of any amount see what you get, robbing your employer is any different? Its sad that the ones who work an honest day for an honest pay have to suffer for the likes of these people who believed they were above all others. My take on this, the City did what they had to do, I believe they investigated and made this decision based on facts. People are so quick to jump on the city’s back. maybe this has been going on for years but really? its being stopped finally and thank whoever stood… Read more »
pizoli
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What an absolutely interesting group of comments. I too believe that the City must have investigated and made this decision based on facts. They would need HR endorsement, legal endorsement, and the CAO would have to be advised. According to all the announcements, there seem to be a number of new employees at the top at the Ontario Street Workshop. To me, it doesn’t matter if things were allowed to happen in the past, the new people seem to think that it is just plain wrong and I applaud them for taking action. With regards to the employees, they have… Read more »
Julie
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Mr. Scott Stevens, With all due respect, I must disagree with your statement “that the city is exposing itself to another lawsuit of wrongful dismissal” Please correct me if I am wrong, but any type of theft, including theft of type is a cause for immediate dismissal. No warning of any kind needs to be given. If the said union fights to protect these individuals it is NOT the City of Cornwall that has opened up a can of worms, but rather the five individuals who have being dishonest and have chosen the act of time theft. Now, are these… Read more »
Simon
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On a scale of 1 to 10 — no make that 0 to 10 — how does this “theft” rank against a mayor who (from the get go) casually billed us $1000 for a road trip and NHL reunion in Windsor, in the ridiculous guise of representing Cornwall at the wake of an in-law of a friend. Surely not a boozeup. And what now of a mayor and his ragtag phart catchers that is costing us millions, for the attempted theft of Rob Hickley’s dignity, the wrongful dismissal of Diane Shay, and the wrongful hiring of Chad Kilger. Surely not… Read more »
A CONCERNED TAXPAYER
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City Management isn’t Talking / The Union isn’t Talking / Supposedly the employees effected aren’t Talking / Yet / We certainly have so many opinions expressed on this whole matter that I’am amazed . Do some have inside information or is it just speculation on their part ? One person seems to think that Management has proceeded with due diligence ( I beg to differ ) then goes on to say , I assure you Management etc . How can you assure us of anything ? Baloney As I see it Management are responsible for yet another Screw UP. I… Read more »
jules
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When I was permanent in the federal government in my department we had to fill out time sheets for every piece of work we did and how long it took to do it. We also had to mark the time it took to go to the bathroom. We were granted only two 15 minute breaks and 1/2 hour for lunch and we were unionized. The only time you took 1 hour for lunch was that you had to work longer to have that extra half hour. Our supervisor was very tough and on key and no fooling around with her.… Read more »
Derek Sheppard
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Re: Jules

Do you also think that all the bus drivers should be fired as well ? And you said you worked for the Feds, ? Arnt they in a lot of crap themselves ? Hello

jules
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Mr. Sheppard yes I sure did work for the feds from the mid 70’s until 1985 to stay home with my children. Yes they sure are a lot of crap and we can all see that as plain as day. I have seen so much that went on but I cannot disclose things to the public. About the bus drivers I have always spoken a lot of good things about them and I knew the old drivers of past years in Cornwall who were very good people like Mr. Lapointe, Mr. Cook, and many others. I rode a lot with… Read more »
David Oldham
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The definitive sentence in your commentary on possible “Time Theft” reads “And with the silence where is the accountability and transparency ?”

This current administration has been a do nothing, kick sand in our face, embarrassment to the community that has served only to further demonstrate the meaning of an exercise in futility.

Anyone care to prove this statement to be in error?

Derek Sheppard
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Hey jules why don’t you use your real name ? I am so happy that my friends got their jobs back, I would be glad to have you on my bus in Cornwall , and give you a great safe ride to your destination , I have been with Cornwall Transit for 20 years and I also know the older drivers you speak about, but ? one thing you forgot , until people have all the right facts nobody has the right to post opions, like so many have and that’s why they have their jobs back !

Derek

Hey bus driver!
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To Derek: RE: Your comment to Jules: “I would be glad to have you on my bus in Cornwall , and give you a great safe ride to your destination”. My question is would this be during your working hours or after hours? 20 years of experience or not, why don’t you do your hours, drive the bus, get the job done, go home, and next time you are on your way home, maybe you should drive yourself to anger management sessions. I would never get on the City bus with you being the driver, and thanks for warning the… Read more »
Diane
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Well, I see from the standard freeholder article there are more confidentiality clauses. It would be interesting to know what impact that had on the tax payers.

I understand that at least two of these employees were involved with the towing of Mr. Fitzpatrick’s car with city equipment .

Transparency seems to be an impossible feat for those in power embrace.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Diane Shay

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