Discrimination
Discrimination. The big D word. A word most readily used by many though rarely meritable in its’ use. In our contemporary world of political correctness, discrimination is one of many ‘buzzwords’ that forms a politicians’ lexicon of verbal spaghetti. Political figures love to throw around the idea that one group of people are often discriminated against by another group of people or even by a nation’s laws. It is a fantastic vote grabber for those most instrumental in the art of politics. The truth however, in this day and age, is that rarely are modern-day laws discriminatory in their practice, right?
Wrong!
Have you ever heard of the concepts of affirmative action or what we like to call employment equity in Canada? These are concepts that were instituted into Canadian law to help level the playing field for those who have traditionally suffered the ill consequences of discrimination; especially in the job market. Under the Constitution Act of 1982, containing the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms; equity legislation is detailed therein. The Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) is enforced by the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) and it is this commission that deals with whether or not discrimination has taken place in the workplace.
The following details the issue of Prohibited Grounds of Discrimination in Canada: (Belcourt, Bohlander, & Snell, Managing Human Resources, 5th Canadian Edition, 2008).
Race or colour
Religion
Physical or mental disability
Dependence on alcohol or drugs
Age
Sex
Marital status
Family status
Sexual orientation
National or ethnic origin (including linguistic background)
Ancestry of place of origin
Language
Social Condition or origin
Source of income
Assignment, attachment or seizure of pay
Based on association
Political belief
Record of criminal conviction
Pardoned conviction
While appearing like a fair and equitable approach to the issue of fairness in hiring practices; employment equity actually creates the framework for unfair hiring criteria – whereby the best qualified person may be the most successful candidate but may not be chosen due to government imposed employment equity legislation. Case-in-point; consider the possibility of two highly qualified candidates applying for the same government or private sector industry, job. One candidate, a qualified counselor who, as a child, was raised in the atmosphere of a same sex marriage; understands the very real social challenges faced by his/her same sex parents. One could surmise that not only is this individual qualified as a counselor; but has the added experience of being raised in a non-traditional family setting, outside of the traditional nuclear family. The other candidate is also a highly qualified counselor but is a homosexual. By the very definition and reasoning for employment equity, chances are that the successful candidate will be chosen due to his/her sexuality and not necessarily for his/her skills.
Another scenario if you will. Imagine an Aboriginal couple fostering a non-Aboriginal child who is raised and immersed in Aboriginal culture. He/she has a university/college education associated with his/her chosen field; speaks an Aboriginal language, is well-versed in the culture and customs associated with the First Nation and has all the credentials required of someone who could work for a government or non-government Aboriginal organization. The other candidate also has some or most of these qualifications but has one added qualification. Their ethnicity or race is of a First Nation. Once again, by the very definition and reasoning for employment equity, chances are that the successful candidate will be chosen due to his/her ethnicity or race and not necessarily for his/her skills.
Sound like rare or improbable cases and scenarios to you? I can attest that they’re not. They’re increasingly happening everyday in Canada and Human Resources professionals have had to contend with the issue of unfair hiring criteria that these laws have created since at least 1995 with the Employment Equity Act.
If you think at this point that our Canadian employment laws are unfair and unjustified then I have even more bad news for you. Consider the above information I’ve provided about Employment Equity. Add to this the increasingly unfair bilingual language requirements as well and you can see where things are headed. A politically correct society where in the quest for fairness we’ve permitted a very unfair system to flourish unchallenged by the people themselves. We need to ask ourselves if Canada’s employment and language laws are really a reflection of what we encompass and value as a society or if our various levels of government are attempting through social engineering, to shape and mould the people’s consciousness to the system itself. In other words, do the people work for the system or should the system work for the people?
Ever heard of the concept of a ‘bona fide occupational qualification’? Believe it or not, this concept currently exists in Canada and it allows for discrimination in hiring! That’s right folks. You read that correctly. In the very ‘Act’, the Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) whose existence is to prohibit discriminatory hiring practices there exists government-sponsored discriminatory hiring! As Belcourt et al. reports (2008):
The act applies to all federal government departments and agencies, to Crown corporations, and to other businesses and industries under federal jurisdiction, such as banks, airlines, railway companies, and insurance and communications companies. For those areas not under federal jurisdiction, protection is available under provincial human rights laws. Provincial laws, although very similar to federal ones, do differ from province to province. Every province and territory has a human rights act (or code), and each has jurisdiction prohibiting discrimination in the workplace. The prohibited grounds of discrimination in employment include race, religion, sex, age, national or ethnic origin, physical handicap, and marital status…Employers are permitted to discriminate if employment preferences are based on a bona fide occupational qualifications (BFOQ) or BFOR (bona fide occupational requirement). A BFOQ is justified if the employer can establish necessity for business operations. In other words, differential treatment is not discrimination if there is a justifiable reason. (106)
This sounds an awful lot like Orwell’s, Animal Farm, where Commandment #7 which originally stated that:
“All animals are equal”
Was eventually changed to,
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”
Is this the kind of Canada we want to live and work in? Surely the ideology of an individual’s rights should trump group rights in all respects. Should it not? Otherwise, we need to ask ourselves if we truly live in a democracy where all citizens enjoy the same rights and privileges as all others. As of this writing, the majority of our citizenry cannot work for their civil service or hold the highest office of the land due to nothing more than a lack of knowledge of one of Canada’s minority languages.
Please keep in mind that,
“All Canadians are equal, but some Canadians are more equal than others”
Cory Cameron
Timmins, On
Sunday August 25, 2013
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Here we go again……..another episode of “AS THE STOMACH TURNS”
The same old story only a different day. Nothing new in this LTE.
UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!
I agree with Stella where it is so mighty sickening to read this same old story over and over again. “As the stomach turns” is right indeed. You have all the opportunities of learning French and if you don’t want to take the advantage of learning then you have to stu in it. Many people are learning French and other languages and even going to private schools here in Ottawa to have the opportunity to give their children a good advantage and all I read from anglos is complaints.
A Mexican lady who lives in Gatineau loves it and speaks French and sends her 6 years old daughter to a French school and the child loves it and has a lot of friends and speaks French. Stop your whining and learn the language or stop this nonsense. When it comes to “bigotry” stop blaming Mme Marois and others because you cannot speak French. You have the opportunity but won’t take it so that is your fault.
Jules, did you bother to read the entire article? I’m writing about unfair Canadian laws that bring about discriminatory hiring processes. And I’m bilingual 🙂
@ Cory. If unfair hiring practices is your big concern, why do you waste your time and energy going ape-sh!t over being spoken to in French in Timmins, or seeing a French language sign beside the highway in North Ontario? You claim to be bilingual, but the sound and sight of the French language seems to make you angry. From reading your letters and comments, I have to think you have a lot more issues than just unfair hiring practices.
Furtz,
Do you have anything to say in rebuttal to my letter outside of personally attacking me? How about a letter of your own in response to what you term us English Freedom Fighters and what we’ve written and the research we’ve conducted so far? How about you Jules or Stella? Do either of you have anything of substance to offer outside of personal attack when we write a letter to the editor?
What say any of you about what was written in this letter and not about personally attacking me?
Excellent article Cory
Stella here you go again. I have stayed quiet too long to let you win this one. Do you realize that everybody has the right to talk? Just like you. But instead of putting people down and shi!!ing on their opinions, find me a counter- argument to Cory’s letter. You like to bully people. You are mean and not a real, accepting Canadian. It is true you have a good job, with good pay et tu parles francais. Stella, how about you defend your opinions or are you truly afraid of losing the French services you have. SMILE!!!!! Everyone has the right to have a job in any field even when they only speak English. A person’s ambitions should not be crushed because of language laws. Just like you, you are able to work in any job from being a doctor to becoming a politician. This is not the early 1800’s where women were excluded from becoming a professional. So why is it that the English in Canada in 2013 are?
@ Sad to hear and you are an accepting Canadian and no not every one has the right to have a job even if they only speak English then where the heck does a bilingual Canada come in here.
Even in PEI where I recently visited they are bilingual and many people speak French… We live in Canada .. which is supposed to be a bilingual country and it is an advantage to us to speak French and English…
Some of you people ….have you been sleeping?
There is too much discussion on here and whining about language..
@ Jane Doe
When a country, in this case Canada, has a 79% English population, why is bilingualism even an issue, it should be scrapped and applied only where numbers warrant , then translation can be applied, not a costly and unjustified policy of total bilingualism
When 1 in 21 people are French, where is the justification for bilingualism anywhere, especially when 90% of this number is from quebec, it simply does not make sense. ???
First of all thanks Cory for a well researched letter ,as well as proving we have discriminatory laws.
stellabystarlight
August 26, 2013 at 1:46 pm
You are a hate filled individual who would rather attack the writer then the subject matter for only the fact is you do not have the intellectual capacity to do so.
jules
August 26, 2013 at 4:13 pm
Jules you have disappointed me as you are now displaying propaganda:
Stop your whining and learn the language or stop this nonsense. When it comes to “bigotry” stop blaming Mme Marois and others because you cannot speak French. You have the opportunity but won’t take it so that is your fault.
Why must one learn the language to stop the nonsense of discriminatory hiring practices …should now learning a language not be a choice anymore ?(well it sort of is that way)
By the way Cory may be more bilingual then you are Jules he just may not be pure laine!
Marios is bigoted in her viewpoints !
Sad to hear -Welcome aboard appreciated your input :
“Do you realize that everybody has the right to talk? Just like you. But instead of putting people down and shi!!ing on their opinions, find me a counter- argument to Cory’s letter.”
“You like to bully people.”
Very well said yes SHE IS A BULLY but she hides behind anonymity like most bullies who have low self esteem and direct their frustrations and victimize others.
Jane Doe
August 26, 2013 at 7:25 pm
“We live in Canada .. which is supposed to be a bilingual country and it is an advantage to us to speak French and English…”
We have 2 official languages ,be are not a bilingual country and Quebec does not except bilingualism.
“There is too much discussion on here and whining about language..”
OH I PROMISE YOU JANE THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING ….
We need a country wide conversation on the validity of bilingualism when the province for which it was introduced does not want bilingualism.
Perhaps a referendum should be in order!
Sad to hear…..do you realize that the same BS and silly complaints have been going on for three years.
As for a counter comment to this letter, there is nothing more to say or add that hasn’t been said a 1000 times before. Besides cory has written many letters to the editor always saying the same thing……..this one is no different
Jane Doe…….you got that right.
Does stella not believe in fairness to all?
frizbee August 27, 2013 at 7:44 am
Rating: +1 (from 3 votes)
Does stella not believe in fairness to all?
Well frizbee apparently not she is the true fanatic.
@ Highlander
What is so perplexing to me, is the lack of common decency and more importantly the complete lack of common sense.
Where, pray tell was french EVER threatened? Certainly not from the English anywhere in Canada. there is simply NO EVIDENCE of this, anywhere in our collective history.
As well, if quebec has it that bad, and wants to promote, legislate and eliminate English from their province, then separate and be done with it. Why do they still want to retain anything Canadian, being that there is NOTHING CANADIAN about quebec
Frankly, they are an embarrassment to Canada, and Canada should really act on this and have a referendum to see if Canadians want quebec to remain
frizbee the majority of Quebecers are proud Canadians – the problem is that there are enough Separatists and enough hard core Seperatists to never keep things boring….
stellabystarlight
August 26, 2013 at 9:33 pm
“Sad to hear…..do you realize that the same BS and silly complaints have been going on for three years’
These complaints have been existing for 42 years now!
“As for a counter comment to this letter, there is nothing more to say or add that hasn’t been said a 1000 times before. Besides cory has written many letters to the editor always saying the same thing……..this one is no different”
That’s a counter comment?NOT !If there was nothing more to be said these pages would be blank would they not?
Cory has written letters each are unique in their prospective yet involving many issues …if it were said a 1000 times before then you should have no need to respond.
frizbee
August 27, 2013 at 10:07 am
Thanks again for your input ,but careful as the “agitator gang” will surely attack you the messenger and not the subject matter as their is no rebuttal against the subject.
“Frankly, they are an embarrassment to Canada, and Canada should really act on this and have a referendum to see if Canadians want quebec to remain”
Yes agreed .An embarrassment to ALL Canadians as a fascist regime exists in Canada and not discouraged but encourage through the inaction’s of the federal government.
admin
August 27, 2013 at 10:45 am
“frizbee the majority of Quebecers are proud Canadians – the problem is that there are enough Separatists and enough hard core Seperatists to never keep things boring….”
Yes enough separatists to keep the fascist regime in power,but those proud Quebec Canadians are still not speaking up against this regime thus inaction condones those actions of the separatists.
Frizbee, there is some pre Canadian and Canadian history trying to stop French.
Lord Durham was sent to The Canadas in 1837[9] to investigate the circumstances surrounding the Lower Canada Rebellion of Louis-Joseph Papineau and the Upper Canada Rebellion of William Lyon Mackenzie, which had both occurred earlier that year.[10] His detailed and famous Report on the Affairs of British North America (1839) recommended a modified form of responsible government and a legislative union of Upper Canada, Lower Canada and the Maritime Provinces.[10]
Lord Durham has been lauded in English Canadian history for his recommendation to introduce responsible government. However, the British government did not accept that recommendation and it took 10 more years before Parliamentary democracy was finally established in the colonies.[11] Lord Durham is less well regarded for recommending the union of Upper and Lower Canada.
As soon as 1842, Lord Durham’s intended policy of assimilation faced setbacks, as Louis-Hippolyte Lafontaine’s party in the House managed to force de facto re-establishment of French as a language of Parliament. Once responsible government was achieved (1848), French Canadians in Canada East succeeded by voting as a bloc in ensuring that they were powerfully represented in any cabinet, especially as the politics of Canada West was highly factional.
The resulting deadlock between Canada East and West led to a movement for federal rather than unitary government, which resulted in the creation of confederation, a federal state of Canada, incorporating New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, in 1867.[11]
Great letter Cory .
It is sad that some readers here have so little knowledge and lack the education and know how to fully understand the problems that we are facing in this country.
The English in this country should support Quebec separation in any way that we can .
Once Quebec finally separates from Canada we will adopt the same attitude as the French in Quebec have towards us . and use their motto ..”Je me souviens”
We WILL remember what you put us through and with Quebec finally gone and with less than 5 % of OUR country French then the same treatment will be applied .. only in reverse this time …
I can hardly wait ..I am off now to write a check to the Parti Quebecois to assist them financially with their goals .
@Jane Doe August 26, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Jane Doe responded to
Sad to hear with
“and you are an accepting Canadian and no not every one has the right to have a job even if they only speak English then where the heck does a bilingual Canada come in here.
Even in PEI where I recently visited they are bilingual and many people speak French… We live in Canada .. which is supposed to be a bilingual country and it is an advantage to us to speak French and English…
Some of you people ….have you been sleeping?”
Considering how “Quebec has ACTUAL laws against” one of the two languages (English) that make REAL bilingualism IN ALL OF CANADA IMPOSSIBLE then it is CLEAR that it is — YOU — who “has been sleeping.”
Ah hemmm… WAKE UPPPP eh Jane 🙂 Smell the coffee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui_XgfFceYc&hd=1
Stella & Jules. You both never cease to produce THEEEE most irony that could ever come from so called “life forms” on this planet.
You both were the first 2 posters regarding this VERY well written, GREAT LTE and yet you both had no real value to add except to bitch and whine about having to bitch and whine about having to bitch whine.
I couldn’t make this stuff up if i tried.
Remember, the WORLD IS WATCHING.
Like i said. Run off to some French blogs somewhere and complain to them — in English — about bilingual Canada and see what kind of response you get to that.
We’ll accept you and your “figurative” bruises back here when you’re done.
And on that note, i wish you ALL a two language “in some parts of Canada” kinda day 🙂
Great LTE Cory. Keep exposing the cr@p.
THE WORLD IS WATCHING…
Here a good example of what is going on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E_BgxHZVFI&hd=1
highlander wrote: she hides behind anonymity like most bullies who have low self esteem and direct their frustrations and victimize others.
With a name like highlander, are you not hiding behind anonymity…….LMAO
highlander wrote: If there was nothing more to be said these pages would be blank would they not?
The freedom fighters just keep repeating the same thing ad nauseum……..these pages will never be blank as long as the freedom fighters are still breathing. REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT. That is why I said there is nothing new to say or add after three years of hearing the same BS>
Cory I did read the entire letter and there is always discrimination even for those of us who are fluently bilingual. I have seen plenty of discrimination in the federal government and I remember trying a number of competitions until I gave up and my supervisor told us all that a large percentage of the competitions are rigged meaning that there is already someone that they have in mind and that they have to post it to look fair.
The only time that I got somewhat a head in work was when I left the permanent job in the government and went on term work for 3 months at a time with agencies and the public service. I was much happier working from one job to another and every place was a challenge and I met different people.
The questions that you posted are the ones that we had to answer back in the 70’s era for work in the public service and yes they are intrusive but I found out later what they were about and yes it is discriminatory. This doesn’t have anything to do with bilingualism at all. If you were a visible minority then they have jobs just for them. My daughter found out that the government gives incentives to companies who hire visible minorities and this is what a lot of this is about.
Bob Noble, you are a genius! Unfair hiring practices in Ontario can only be corrected by booting Quebec out, and breaking up Canada. As I’ve said before, you guys are going nowhere because of asinine BS like that.
Note to Anglo freedom-fighters… Canada will not be broken up any time soon just because you think it should be.
Fight on, freedom-fighters! Don’t hold back! Canada’s salvation is in your hands!
BRAVO gqo RE POST on August 26, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Well said…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui_XgfFceYc&hd=1
Here here Bob Noble.
Great post on August 27, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Bob wrote, ” Great letter Cory .
It is sad that some readers here have so little knowledge and lack the education and know how to fully understand the problems that we are facing in this country.
The English in this country should support Quebec separation in any way that we can .
Once Quebec finally separates from Canada we will adopt the same attitude as the French in Quebec have towards us . and use their motto ..”Je me souviens”
We WILL remember what you put us through and with Quebec finally gone and with less than 5 % of OUR country French then the same treatment will be applied .. only in reverse this time …
I can hardly wait ..I am off now to write a check to the Parti Quebecois to assist them financially with their goals.”
BTW, i have sent my cheque yesterday . Some good stuff coming down the pyke which should help with that cause too.
🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui_XgfFceYc&hd=1
edudyorlik
August 27, 2013 at 1:29 pm
So lets see here bilingual required for Federal and Provincial government jobs outside of Quebec to serve the same size population of English in Quebec yet Quebec DOES NOT WANT BILINGUAL.
DOES ANYBODY SEE THE IRONY OF THIS WHOLE SITUATION?
iF NOT RE-READ AND THINK WITHOUT THE BIAS OF GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA FOR BILINGUALISM.
edudyorlik GREAT VIDEO SHE CLEARLY STATES SHE WOULD NOT HAVE THE JOB WERE IT NOT SHE WAS BILINGUAL -YET SHE IS THERE TO PROPAGATE THE GOVERNMENTS PROPAGANDA!
WHATEVER HAPPENED TO GOOD OLD FASHIONED “MERIT”
YES THE WORLD IS WATCHING!
Hi there Bob great to hear from you!
stellabystarlight
August 27, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Well out of your last paragraph 2 things ring true:
“highlander wrote: she hides behind anonymity like most bullies who have low self esteem and direct their frustrations and victimize others.”
“these pages will never be blank as long as the freedom fighters are still breathing. ”
You see stella there is nothing like being discriminated against to drive person(s) to change this situation.
YOU CANNOT WIN !I KNOW because of discrimination directed to myself I have a “like ” religious fervor to fight and bring about equality and stop this discrimination!
Good luck there stella -my principles DRIVE ME!
jules
August 27, 2013 at 1:06 pm
“This doesn’t have anything to do with bilingualism at all. If you were a visible minority then they have jobs just for them”
Well the same could be said for bilingualism whereby 65 % of government hires are bilingual to serve Ontario’s 3-4% francophone community or 0.3% of French only in Ontario .
So as you have said ” If you were a visible minority then they have jobs just for them”
THE SAME FOR BILINGUAL APPLICANTS WHO ARE MAJORITY FRANCOPHONE’S.
“Highlander” the vast majority of the jobs in the federal government are bilingual and that would be well over 80%. I remember from the 70’s era until I finished working in 1990 very few jobs were unilingual – I would estimate about 10% or less. We had a few unilingual French and most unilingual were English. Very few people were not bilingual. We had people who were of English origin but were bilingual and lived on the Québec side and they were fully bilingual like myself. They were such a great bunch to work with and I often think about them.
The separatists in Québec are usually people of the upper levels like university professors, lawyers, doctors, polititians, and such people. Most of the ordinary people are just ordinary citizens and don’t take much part in separation. University professors are the worst from what I heard since they influence young minds.
What is it about individuals (and sites) who don’t have enough conviction to stand behind what they say and use their real name? What does that tell you? I have a comment on Facebook for now.
Because of varying post time stamps, family or friend difference of opinion or a possible conflict of views with work, the name matters less to me. Anyway, the name does not matter much as the written concept, tone and facts are the important part.
Certainly, when we see discrimination, it should be called out to make Canada and Canadians, better.
@ Eric
Right on
Eric
August 28, 2013 at 7:08 am
Well said Eric.
Roger Roy
August 28, 2013 at 6:34 am
Mr.Roy
We as a group have talked to many employee’s from Cornwall Hospital , Provincial and Federal entities who do not agree to their bilingual policies which are discriminatory.
Many of those individuals FEAR of speaking up and or using their names due to potential of retaliation of one sort or another.
We live in a time whereby governments penalize their employee’s for speaking up and thereby oppress their employee’s of free speech even if its in the interest of us the taxpayer.
There a number of examples but to list a few Darlene Walsh of CCH and several city whistle blowers.
Anonymity prevents retaliation from employers and government entities and allows candidness and true freedom of expression without the fear of retaliation .
These are sad times we live in when public sector employee’s can not speak up in the interest of tax payers for fear of reprisals .
For what-ever reason I cannot find my original Facebook comment so I’ll repeat it here. You often hear criticism of legislation along the lines of affirmative action, but to date no-one has come up with a viable alternative including Cory Cameron. In the early 60’s I worked for a business in Southern Ontario that had a hiring policy that was fairly common in Canada at the time, including both provincial and federal governments. “No niggers, Indians, foreigners, women or Catholics” or the personnel managers lost their jobs. It’s also well documented that those groups were under-represented or not represented at all in many businesses and government departments. It did not change until it was legislated, an unfortunate comment on our society of the day, not only in Canada but in the U.S. as well. The worn out argument you often hear about two equally qualified candidates is really not valid. No two human beings can ever be alike in skills or personal suitability for a job. It`s impossible unless you clone someone.
I agree with Roger Roy that in the past there was a great deal of discrimination and that is would make what you are saying Cory appear like nothing. We are lucky that we have the resources at hand to learn another language and can learn other skills. I miss the 50’s and 60’s era like crazy and would give just about anything to live back in those days but there were problems back then as well. No time is ever perfect at all but they were better times than what we have today at least according to myself how I feel. I miss the way life used to be but unfortunately things change.
Cory I put up with a lot of discrimination in my time and I am a woman of 62 years old. We have to do the best we can and go on from there. You are young enough to do something about it and all I can do is look back. Educate your kids in both languages and learn from your own experiences. Northern Ontario is very francophone and always has been.
Roger Roy
August 28, 2013 at 11:59 am
“I worked for a business in Southern Ontario that had a hiring policy that was fairly common in Canada at the time, including both provincial and federal governments. “No niggers, Indians, foreigners, women or Catholics” or the personnel managers lost their jobs.”
First of all I do not like the N word it is insulting to me .
Times have changed thankfully ,and I quite well understand and agree with diversity ,but that should not be the deciding factor .
But when hiring is conditional for hiring for ethnic diversity and not necessarily merit it sets forth those same conditions as you have quoted above but in reverse .
There comes a point when those conditions set forth by affirmative action and ethnic diversity becomes counter intuitive and discriminates against those that are not of a minority group.
We are a much more open society and must prove this by allowing MERIT to be the predominating factor upon hiring no matter your ethnicity.
@ Roger Roy. You nailed it. I’m old enough to remember when the French worked on the factory floor, while all the management was white and English. The banking and financial sectors were even worse.
Roger wrote: The worn out argument you often hear about two equally qualified candidates is really not valid. No two human beings can ever be alike in skills or personal suitability for a job.
Thank-you!! We have been saying that for three years now. Credentials aren’t the only assets required nor are they a guarantee that one will be hired.
To use your phrase, “personal suitability” plays an important role as well during the interview process.
To claim that one is more qualified then the other applicants and that they should have been hired………nonsense.
Unless one was involved in the hiring process, no one can judge the final outcome.
Cory and folks go on yahoo.ca news and read what former PQ Bernard Landry said about multiculturalism.
English media ‘pathetic’ in coverage of Parti Quebecors minorities plan ex-premier
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/english-media-pathetic
Read the article and see what this man is talking about.
Hiring should be based on merit ,and not skin color ,religion,or ethnicity !
To due otherwise is discrimination ,to hire based on ethnicity ,color or religion is no difference then hiring a particular color (white only).
Its not right to hire white only why is it right to hire just particular ethnicity?
Equal rights does not denote hiring particular to an ethnicity ,but to hire as per qualifications no matter their skin color or ethnicity .
To do otherwise is a form of reverse discrimination!
@highlander……..twist again like you did last summer, twist again, like you did last year…….
Yep….twisting time is here
for what ever reason, I had two elders from jesus christ of later day saints knock on my door this week at around 7h50 pm. They wanted to come in and chat, and nothing good was on the tube so i figured, what the heck. THey said, ¨tu parles français, on peut pratiquer si tu veux ?¨J’ai continué à leur parler en français pendant une heure. At one point, one of the elders had trouble expressing his thought in french so I said ¨tu peux le dire en anglais si tu veux¨. Il m’a répondu, hey, je veux pratiquer mon français. Both of these individuals came from the united states. One had been here only five months but could already speak fluent french. The other, had been here a year and a half, and his french was superb. J’ai cru bon dire à ces deux jeunes, vous pourriez donner des leçons à des gens du Canada sur l’importance d’être bilingue.
The N word I used is an exact historical quote from the owner himself. That’s why I used quotation marks. The word is not my choosing. I don’t like the word either.
Roger Roy
August 28, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Sorry did not mean to accuse you ,but none the less the word is deplorable ,but the”quote” definitely sent the message.
I believe all peoples should be equal ,and be treated as such.
stellabystarlight
August 28, 2013 at 2:12 pm
There you go again attacking the messenger.
Was there something in my statement that offended you ,other then the inclusion of other ethnicities as equals?
The last company I worked for before retiring about six years ago had about sixty employees. In the thirteen years I was there, there was one female who lasted about five years, not one person with dark skin, and no one with a French accent, or any other discernible (foreign) accent. The company owner/president made no bones about his racist and anti-French views. Sadly, that’s the way things are in the Brockville area.
Jamie, you wrote:
frizbee the majority of Quebecers are proud Canadians – the problem is that there are enough Separatists and enough hard core Seperatists to never keep things boring….
If this is the truth Jamie, then how is it that separatists keep getting elected in Quebec?
Does not the voting majority electorate not reflect the values of Quebec?
And where is the counter to the deliberate ethnocentric laws being currently implemented in the Belle Province?
“For what-ever reason I cannot find my original Facebook comment so I’ll repeat it here. You often hear criticism of legislation along the lines of affirmative action, but to date no-one has come up with a viable alternative including Cory Cameron. In the early 60′s I worked for a business in Southern Ontario that had a hiring policy that was fairly common in Canada at the time, including both provincial and federal governments. “No niggers, Indians, foreigners, women or Catholics” or the personnel managers lost their jobs. It’s also well documented that those groups were under-represented or not represented at all in many businesses and government departments. It did not change until it was legislated, an unfortunate comment on our society of the day, not only in Canada but in the U.S. as well. The worn out argument you often hear about two equally qualified candidates is really not valid. No two human beings can ever be alike in skills or personal suitability for a job. It`s impossible unless you clone someone.”
Well Roger. This is why I attempted to get the e-mail of Hungry for the Truth from our moderator so that he and I could have worked on a template to perhaps bring to the Board of Directors to the CCH detailing a more fair hiring criteria.
I think that the choosing of a candidate for a job should never be the result of one’s ethnicity, sex, race or religion as these factors provide no merit for the ability to fulfill the obligations of a position. (any position whatsoever)
on August 28, 2013 at 12:27 pm jules wrote, “Highlander
educate your kids in both languages and learn from your own experiences. Northern Ontario is very francophone and always has been.”
Yes, Highlander be sure to do this as the French are not educating theirs in English so we MUST BE PREPARED for eventually living in an all French Canada.
WHAT A JOKE. Jules please go to another “French” site to convince them (in English) to be bilingual. We are fine here. We have done all the accommodating we can muster. We don’t need to be told that WE MUST learn French or MUST teach our children
in order to get by in a country that IS A BRITISH LAND. Please check your history.
Did you ever think it is possible that we don’t need French or don’t care to learn French in the rest of Canada. Maybe we’re happy having Quebec “as the little French area we like to go visit.”
Besides, it’s not voluntary so that is what makes it ALL WRONG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX-h4s6dOoM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui_XgfFceYc
Cory the PQ is not a one trick pony. Yes Separation is a big Pony; but when your only choice is the Liberals in Quebec it’s easy to understand why the PQ get elected.
There is a lot of infighting within the PQ between hard liners and more moderate.
It’s like here in Ontario where I think it’s safe to say that most voters would like change, but there’s nowhere really to park the car as Mr. Hudak isn’t a real alternative. You can’t just criticize; you have to offer solutions and Ms Horwath is playing the strategic game hoping to sneak in up the middle.
It sucks being either a Quebec or Ontario voter right now.
Furtz
August 28, 2013 at 4:27 pm
I understand that your last employer was perhaps discriminatory.
But did he have policies created like the government to promote discrimination?