Pastor Tom Newton: Response to David O. blind scientific faith LTE

Pastor Tom Newton:   Response to David O. blind scientific faith  LTE

 

LTEIn my last letter on Halloween, some wrote about science and the Bible – David O. is one of them, I would like to reply to him and others like him.

 

David you fail to make a distinction between truth and science.  I understand that in a materialistic mindset that the secular world can only observe, and therefore believe only what science can dictate. Often my son and I go around on the changeableness of science – I accept the changeableness of science, but I also see a supernatural world that is governed by the Lord God Almighty, and He has revealed Himself via His Son’s incarnation, and by giving to us the Holy Scriptures by the work of God Holy Spirit.

 

When it comes to the spiritual, supernatural, miracles, etc. science has a blind eye, I accept that, but David the Bible long ago declared that the earth was round, but religion and yes even science said – “no the earth is flat”. The Bible is a scientifically sound revelation. Of course one might argue the point of creation vs. evolution, but evolution is a theory, same as Darwinism. Don’t try to redefine the word “theory” – I majored in science, mathematics, in the college I have taken, and I was a HVAC technician, appliance repair, furnaces, etc. as a trade before I became a pastor, so I know something about the scientific method – a theory is not absolute. Big difference between what real science calls a theory and a law.

 

And by the way where are all the missing links in Darwin’s theory? The transiental fossils? Just one – reptile/bird one? I like the tadpole myself! Can’t science come up with more than that? Modern science sees through their observations that Darwin’s theory can not hold up to what they are discovering in God’s world. How unreliable is many, if not all the dating techniques today? And shall we discuss the change from global warming to climate change? It takes more blind faith to believe some of the stuff science comes up with and passes off as fact – the truth, absolutes then it does to simple believe in an Almighty, loving God, who is well able to create a world that appears to be old.  Like NASA finding a planet just like earth, and how many billions of light years is this supposed planet from us – hogwash. Science has limitations, or don’t you believe that? The oracle of science never lies!

 

Data, observations can be twisted to say anything the science community wants it to say that is politically correct in order to fund their pet projects. One scientist says this, and another says this, and another, and another… These scientists have more credentials than they know what to do with them, and yet, they fail to agree. While each one cries – “I have the truth”.  Where are the honest scientists today anyway? The Bible’s track record on it being scientifically sound has never been disproven otherwise, but the Bible is not an exhaustive science book; it is a divine revelation from our Creator, who has purposed to communicate to His creatures what is the absolute truth, that does not change, because God does not change. How can you scientifically determine what is right from wrong? Is the Bible reliable when comes to archaeology?  How about its history facts?  Say all you want about science David, but don’t call it truth, or pretend that it is absolute!

Pastor Tom Newton, Calvary Baptist Church

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Furtz
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Yes, the universe and everything in it was created in six twenty-four hour days about five thousand years ago.
That truth should be obvious to all!
No?

Roger
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Furtz, the ironic thing is that, that is NOT what the oldest known Genesis tablets say, written in a language that no longer exists today, as a spoken language. It stands to reason, if what we were taught as children is true, that God is an infinite being Who “always was, always will be”, a being with all of infinity at His beckon call, then what a “day” was from His point of view nobody really knows, so why should anyone assume that He worked 24/7, a concept of day/night He created for us, not Himself. The oldest known texts,… Read more »
Furtz
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@ Roger. As I said before, I get all my bible teaching from Mr. Newton. He says that the universe and everything in it was created in six twenty-four hour days about five thousand years ago, so it must be true. I’m still not sure about the talking snake in the garden of Edan, so as Jules says, I still have a lot of learning to do.

stellabystarlight
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Faith or religion is a personal choice, however, when one looks back at all that was said and taught at a young age, one comes to find out that not all was true especially where the church commandments are concerned. Because of that, many were disappointed when seeking answers. It was like a let down and troubling. I believe that one can have a tremendous amount of faith and spirituality without a being involved with a specific religion. There are so many controversial issues and interpretations that it becomes more of a challenge when reading the bible. It leaves one… Read more »
tnpreacher555
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Roger – “what the oldest known Genesis tablets say”. Do you have a link, reference to these tablets? And the English KJV is not a 19th century translation. This is the same basic translation from the 15th, that has been used in all Protestant churches. Updated editions to change archaic words, but still the Authorized Versions based upon the Masoretic Hebrew text and the Received Tradition text for the Greek. The 19th century Critical text, which most modern versions are based upon, is corrupted and translated by liberal minded apostates. Such apostates in their higher criticism would declare the same… Read more »
tnpreacher555
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Stella…”It leaves one with too many unanswered questions”. That is why the Bible says you must be “Born again”. Without the indwelling Holy Spirit as the Resident Bible teacher, a person has not the ability to interpret, understand the Word of God. Now that does not mean only the educated understands it, that is not true. There are many who are educated and say they have the right meaning of this or that, but unless it is by the Spirit’s illumination, a sinner, like you and I, remains in the dark. The Scriptures are written in a way that is… Read more »
Furtz
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@ Stella. Save yourself a bunch of confusion and head-scratching re spiritual matters by accepting and embracing the teachings and beliefs of Mr. Newton. He has it all figured out and knows The Truth. If you don’t, his god will toss you into a fiery lake to burn for eternity, and nobody wants that!

Roger
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One thing that becomes very clear in Mr. Newton’s ramblings is the high degree of disdain that he has for scholarly credentials of ANY kind, but particularly for science and scientists. His comment on NASA probably indicates he does not believe man walked on the moon either, and he probably discounts any information that he can’t find in his bible. He relies on Sun Media also for his knowledge of “global warming” which he claims has “changed to climate change”. Read the words for God’s sake, they are one and the same thing. The words air pollution might help to… Read more »
David Oldham
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Pastor Tom Newton would you be able to clarify something for all to read? You stated that the scriptures are written in a way that is clear and understandable. Were you referring to the original scriptures written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek (not classical) or a translated interpretation of the scriptures into a language such as English or perhaps French ? Pastor Tom Newton you stated that Religious leaders do not have exclusive rights on being able to interpret the bible. On that we can definitely agree. You are supplying the basic reason why we all do not believe the… Read more »
David Oldham
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Roger …personally I cannot say that I have ever really known anyone that did not believe that the translation or interpretation of the term days was simply a human term placed upon an action of God or simply an incorrect translation. If you substitute the human concept of days with the simpler concept of time periods than it becomes acceptable in as much as the time periods are not limited and neither is God. I can be respective of Pastor Toms take on Christianity however I find it difficult to say the least to be tolerant of his seeming intolerance… Read more »
tnpreacher555
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Roger writes in reply to a request of mine – “what the oldest known Genesis tablets say”. Do you have a link, reference to these tablets? Roger writes -“I have no “links” to hand out, because I don’t use links unless it’s something specific I want to save to my favorites when I’m doing research. I prefer to use words, combinations or questions in my browser. Obsessions are what they are. They’re always dangerous”. No links, no credible references, just his own opinion of things. Wow, don’t need a degree for what Roger is espousing. Roger writes again “His insistence… Read more »
tnpreacher555
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David writes – “If you substitute the human concept of days with the simpler concept of time periods than it becomes acceptable in as much as the time periods are not limited and neither is God”. David this is what is called theistic evolution. It is where liberal minded apostates bow down to the god of science, hoping for a compromise that science and the inspired Word can live with. Some Christians hate being called stupid, and un-scientific, so they came up with this devilish compromise. Such is totally rejected by the Scriptures, and by conservative Christians that love and… Read more »
Furtz
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Long story short… Mr. Newton interprets the book of fairy tales his way. All who disagree with him will burn in hell. The end.

Roger
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You can find your own links for anything you want. You can even find one that tries to prove the earth is flat, another that denies the Holocaust and links that disprove every one that you’ve provided. I don’t have the time to do what you should have done yourself in theology or divinity school. That’s where real ministers acquire the necessary credentials to become a genuine pastor. Now I know why you avoid any real points that your critics bring up. As for your credentials, you stated you “majored in science, mathematics in the college I have taken”. There’s… Read more »
tnpreacher555
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Furtz – it is not my interpretation. If it was just my interpretation, then it would be my opinion, just like yours. But I don’t have to interpret the Scriptures, they declare with authority by themselves – John 8:24 “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins”. John 3:36 “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him”. John 14:6 “Jesus saith… Read more »
Furtz
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Yes, Mr. Newton, I understand what you’re saying. It’s your god that will be tossing us all into the fiery lake. Not you.
Gotta run… The Flying Spaghetti Monster is telling me to add oregano to the sauce.
Carry on.

stellabystarlight
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A book I found interesting to read written by Deepak Chopra was “The Third Jesus”

It brings to life a fresh and profound way to experience the teachings of Jesus. Thought provoking indeed.

Furtz
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Oh jebers, Stella. Now you’re gonna get a lecture about Deepak Chopra being an incarnation of Satan himself!
Wait for it.

stellabystarlight
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@Furtz……The Pastor may change his tune after reading it……who knows it may enlighten him **smile**.

Furtz
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Too funny, Stella! And maybe my cats will become vegans once they’ve done a little reading.

tnpreacher555
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There is only one “Lord Jesus”. Three? Something like the Apostle Paul wrote to a church – 2Cor. 11:3-4 “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him”. “For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus…” – not the Jesus of the Holy… Read more »
David Oldham
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Unfortunate that you avoid the opportunity for clarification Pastor Tom Newton. No drama. Perhaps when you get more comfortable with the good book you could enlighten us all with an informed answer to a simple question. Or not, ball is in your court.

tnpreacher555
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David writes -“You stated that the scriptures are written in a way that is clear and understandable”. That is right David! How so? The orthodox Christian faith has always taught that God so moved on the prophets and apostles of old to produce an inspired, inerrant record of the message God gave to His creatures – technically it is called verbal, plenary inspiration. Such a message was written in the common language of the people of their day – Old Testament times Hebrew, and New Testament Times Greek. Here and there a few verses in Aramaic i.e. parts of Daniel,… Read more »
Furtz
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Again, long story short… Mr. Newton’s god is good. The devil is bad. The universe is five thousand years old.
The end.

Furtz
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Sorry… I left out the part where those who disagree will burn in hell for eternity.

tnpreacher555
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What happen David, Roger, did you run out of arguments? Still looking for the link Roger about your tablets?

Furtz
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@ Mr. Newton. I’m guessing that anyone with a functioning brain has something better to do with their time.
God Bless and all that.

I Love Pastor Tom
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Furtz
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@ I Love Pastor Tom. It’s all lies. Science is the work of Satan!

tnpreacher555
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“6 million years ago” – right

What scientific reliable dating system did they use? Or is there really a reliable scientific dating system today?

Furtz
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@ Mr. Newton. Agreed. How could those remains be six million years old when the universe and everything in it are proven to be only about six thousand years old? It makes no sense. Those evil scientists sure come up with some nose-stretchers!

David Oldham
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Ever hear of carbon dating ?

David Oldham
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I realize that your narrow path does not promote divergence of thought Pastor Tom Newton. Acknowledging that I accept the inevitability that you would not be able to tell me of which branch of science it is that you refer to. Should you wish to confirm I would be able to understand better what you are attempting to communicate.

Your letter which omits this vital piece of information makes no sense at all as a result. Clarify, if you will.

David Oldham
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Here is some food for thought Pastor Tom Newton. SIX DAYS ? God concept or Man concept ? Here comes the main course… days or call it a reference to one Earth cycle would be of man’s perspective and therefore more likely to be of man’s creation to separate the six events if you will of the creation of all that there is and will be. You might note that my belief system supports the concept of God the creator Pastor Tom and you might also note that there are branches of science and then there is my ability to… Read more »
I Just Can't Stop Loving Pastor Tom
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I Just Can't Stop Loving Pastor Tom
I think we need to organize a big Christmas party right in front of Pastor Tom’s house/church and just love the nastiness out of him. We could organize a big event, have bands, speakers, refreshments and raise money for some awesome charity while we’re at it. Oh let’s support a homosexual charity! I mean personally all that “in your face” LGBTQ (XYZ? 1578? Call it whatever silly name you want, people are just people to me…) stuff makes me a little uncomfortable, but being judged/persecuted for just being you is never right so I’m at a bit of a crossroads… Read more »
Furtz
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@ I Just Can’t Stop Loving Pastor Tom. There’s a government-registered Christian charity in Toronto called “Living Waters”. Their mission is cure homosexuals and convert them to heterosexuality. It’s a totally legitimate charity, so all donations can be deducted for income tax purposes. Perhaps this would be a good organization to support from the proceeds of your “Save The Preacher” Christmas street party.

David Oldham
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What happened to the lesbians ? What happened to equality of representation ? Will there be a dress code at the Christmas Bash 2013 ?