We’ve all wanted to go postal (all pun intended) at some time or another. The type of day where you regret even leaving your front door to face the day. The sort of day where you know that whatever you do, you just cannot make any headway nor win your cause in the least bit. We’ve all had those kinds of days whereby, ’ The Shirelles’ invented the song, “Mama Said” to describe them.
And so it was a normal, cool, crisp and sunny Northern Ontario morning last April whenever I left the house to mail a letter at the Post Office. I had not much to do that day; and figured I would take complete advantage of the time I had to run a few errands. My first step was the Post Office.
There was no lineup when I arrived and felt blessed that my luck was so far, so good. I was wrong though. As I approached the mid-age woman working behind the desk I greeted her and wished her a good morning and requested to purchase a stamp in the language of my choice, which happens to be English. She obliged by producing the stamp and not returning the greeting in English nor French. The remainder of our exchange during the few minutes had me requesting my service in English whereby her portion of the exchange was conducted in French.
Now, normally this situation wouldn’t be a problem for me as everyone knows I’m bilingual. But on this particular day, I couldn’t get over the fact that I showed absolutely no inclination at all as to being bilingual. Why wasn’t I served in English when clearly I greeted the worker in English upon the beginning of our exchange? Further, why didn’t the Postal Worker switch to English whenever I was communicating in said language? I could have switched to French but I decided not to. My idea in this decision had to do with the fact that I felt that the worker was obligated to provide me with the service in English simply because I was the customer. This would have been different if at any time she had informed me that she couldn’t speak English and would try to accommodate me by other means. One such solution she could have sought out would be to perhaps seek out the services of another Postal Worker to serve me if she didn’t speak English herself.
In any case, I didn’t complain. That is, I didn’t file a complaint at the Post Office. As an aside, I have come across instances like this a few dozen times during the course of business transactions with civil service workers throughout the years and even some in the private industry. And, after all was said and done, I never complained. I had simply grown accustomed to situations like the one above and there is an argument to be made that I had become somewhat conditioned by these scenarios over the years.
Until now…
Perhaps it’s my newfound sense of fairness and pride that has awakened within me during these past two years. Perhaps now that I’m a little longer in the tooth, I have decided that I no longer will take things lying down as it were.
I’m tired…
It’s one thing to learn a minority language and to enjoy the privileges of being able to read, write and speak in French. But for what purpose and intent? And to who’s benefit is it that I am bilingual? Myself or to those whom I communicate with who have French as a first language? I can honestly state that being bilingual hasn’t furthered my career options nor has it had the desired effect of garnishing career advancement opportunities for me in the job that I do have. Moreover, I get the feeling that being bilingual for many of us Anglophones simply equates to making it easier for the Francophones to not have to learn English in order to communicate with us – such as in daily merchant transactions.
Enough…
It was with all of these thoughts swirling within my consciousness that April day that I made the conscientious decision to file a complaint with Canada’s, ‘Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages’. Before doing so, however, I ensured that I had a valid complaint to begin with and checked out the ‘Filing a Complaint’ section, sub-section, ‘In what situations can I file a complaint’. After reviewing the information, I determined that I did in fact have a valid complaint and filed an online complaint the day of my Post Office visit and an initial response was forthcoming from a representative within a week of filing the complaint.
The representative advised me that in order to solve the dilemma of what had occurred an investigation would take place as to the incident itself. Having said that, keep in mind that my complaint was well documented and filed only after a few hours of the incident taking place. Everything that happened was written succinctly on the initial report!
So, after e-mail and playing telephone tag to which more than a half dozen e-mails and a half dozen telephone calls were sent between myself and the representative detailing what had occurred; I emphasized and re-emphasized that I wanted only one question answered – and that was the following:
Why, was I spoken to in French whenever I clearly communicated in English?
All of this to say that as month 3 was coming around the corner subsequent to the initial incident; I was informed that the investigation was completed and that the results would soon be forthcoming. I have a few questions as to this entire affair after having gone through this experience. One being why haven’t I been provided with a response yet after 3 months? Certainly this is a cut and paste situation?
Why?
Exactly what justifies the creation of an, “Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages” to begin with. As of 2011, there were 518 complaints that the office dealt with having to do with language issues. On October 16, 2012 a Globe and Mail article reported that,
“Almost half of the 518 complaints came from the area around Ottawa and adjacent Gatineau, Que., …” (http://www.theglobeandmail.
Are Canadian taxpayers being led to believe that 518 language-related complaints warrant a full-time staff being paid civil service wages to investigate this? I cannot help but comment that more work is done during an 8 hour shift by a half dozen or less call centre employees who themselves individually handle on average a little more than 100 calls a day. It seems as though by comparing stats, we’re not exactly getting a great bang for our buck. So, I would argue that what we have here is but another example of government incompetence; a type and kind of federal government language police make-work project that our taxes are paying for.
And I’ll say this much. We already have a set of language police in this country. We don’t require the services of another; let alone the foundational Office quebecois de la langue francaise.
Ask yourselves this much: Will it take over 3 months to solve your next computer or cell phone issue by someone making minimum wage? Probably not. So why would something so trivial take so long to conclude by someone being paid so much?
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@HIGHLANDER
The “Battlefields” are a NATIONAL PARK owned by all CANADIANS though principally funded by Quebec and Ontario.
Also the “purpose” of the battle was not to destroy the French, but then I believe you are aware of the history and know that it was the french that wanted to preserve and commemorate 300 years of their history by creating Battlefields Park.
As to why extremists would want to deny history and not leave monuments to commemorate historical fact, the simple truth is that the question is the answer.
Ignorance like racism has no boundaries as it also fails to subscribe to LOGIC.
HIGHLANDER all would benefit of reading more and quessing less, you have alluded to this notion in the past if my memory serves me well.
Richard tremblay
July 18, 2013 at 7:08 am
“hungry you said it all. me and stella don’t have to add anything more.”
Did I miss something ?Did you and Stella actually add something of significance to the debate?
“you have what many others on here lack …common sense. a discussion on the subject is great but I don’t think its needed.”
So now you are saying that the many on here”LACK COMMON SENSE ”
***What do you all think viewers and writers do you lack common sense as Richard tells you?***
Richard you make think that a discussion on the language subject is not needed but hungry does agree it is !As hungry does believe there is abuse of the system and thank you for agreeing with hungry on that matter.
David Oldham
July 18, 2013 at 10:03 am
Thanks David,
As for those extremists -are you listening Stella and Richard
A quote from George Orwell :
The nationalist not only does not disprove of atrocities committed by his own side ,(FLQ CRISIS)but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.
Keep drinking that Separatist cool-aid !
Richard and Stella how is your believing in Segregation meaning inclusiveness of the cultures?
Yes a Nationalist in federal clothing .
Highlander
July 18, 2013 at 8:33 am
“If it were not for the laws and policies would there be”ABUSE”
And there would probably, be no Access to french services either!
“The government has set forth a policy whereby there is no measurable outcomes for its institutions thereby creating conditions to abuse this policy.”
The Government put forth the French Languages Service Act Guidelines. They are enforced through the PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS POLICIES.
“Yes it is the government and its laws that create this inequity because policies is not just enacting them but having measurable outcomes and these are government entities that enforce the compliance of these acts.”
As I have said in previous post, we are in agreement that there is UNFAIRNESS in the POLICIES. What I have also said the DATA is flawed. You can’t measure the ACTUAL need of anything when all you have is EXPECTED information.
We Know according to the Data that Ontario Government is using that there is an estimated 24% of Cornwall residents that are French. You may say differently let’s just agree for a moment for the purpose of the example.
OK Stats Can with the present DATA collection can answer two important questions. HOW MANY FRENCH-CANADIAN AND WHERE they reside.
The UNFAIRNESS becomes prevalent when Public Institutions are required to draft their Hiring Policies to be in compliance with the ACT. The DATA that they use is the same as the one you and I and everybody else. In order to be in compliance they draft
Policies with the established premise that they have to provide Bilingual Staff in order to provide Accessibility to French Services to 24% of the residents of Cornwall.
The reason they draft accordingly is they have no DATA to approach it differently. It is true that there is 24% needing accessibility to French Services.
The DATA that is needed to make it more reflective to the population is how many TODAY.
Let’s use this analogy. We know that today McDonald’s will sell burgers. Because of the way they collect their DATA they will know how many Big Macs, how many Kids meals how many coffees etc..that they ACTUALLY sold.
Today, hospital know that there is a potential base of 24% of it’s clientele that MAY need French Services. With the present DATA collection what it can not answer is how many per day, week, month, year and at what time on which work hour French Services where Provided.
All the Hiring requirements are based on Flawed or inadequate interpretation of DATA.
HOW MANY PATIENTS PER SHIFT = FRENCH SERVICES ACTUALLY POVIDED?
The reality can very well be ex. 100 patients- 85-English 15-French? Who knows no DATA.
If this ACTUAL VS EXPECTED DATA was available when Drafting Policies it would bring ACTUAL NEED = FAIRNESS to all PUBLIC SERVICE EMPLOYEES.
We no longer have to have all bilingual, based on ACTUAL, FACTUAL NEED SERVED.
Would this approach not be more reflective to the needs of the population and FAIR ?
How do we do it?
Got to go now, my Sand box is waiting!
Richard, I agree, HFTT has nailed it but good.
The “Freedom Fighters” heads are spinning and their gasping for air.
Would anyone know when the fund raising BBQ at Galganov’s is, or has it already taken place without us knowing. I know quite a few people who wanted to support their radical cause.
Funny, we heard nothing about galganov’s big rally in Montreal, nor the BBQ and nothing about the WORLD WIDE rally on Parliament hill.
Hmm I am starting to think they don’t want our support……LMAO!!!!
David Oldham
July 18, 2013 at 10:03 am
“Ignorance like racism has no boundaries as it also fails to subscribe to LOGIC.”
Thank-You for sharing that with us. I hope it was directed to the faulted poster below.
“HIGHLANDER all would benefit of reading more and guessing less, you have alluded to this notion in the past if my memory serves me well.
This must also include the original misinterpreted FACT below.
Edudyorlik
July 17, 2013 at 11:17 pm
History, is a truthful and factual teacher to the Wise.
“Yes well, how about let’s start with the historical victory of James Wolfe over Montcalm. Yes, for those whose memory is rather selective, that’s the battle that the French wish to forget as this was the beginning of many other historical FACTS.”
“Like the FACT that France ceded — ALL — of Canada to the British.”
The FACT is they ceded the land, not their Rights.
History is not Statistics. It is documented FACTUAL SEQUENTUAL EVENTS…When read together they lend to it’s ACCURACY.
And the best the French could do in Montreal is, they have named two streets, one after each other. Woolf and Montcalm Sorry, but that’s it.
NO STATUE….
@Highlander RE: George Orwell quote posted on July 18, 2013 at 11:20 am
“A quote from George Orwell :
The nationalist not only does not disprove of atrocities committed by his own side ,(FLQ CRISIS)but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.”
Wow !! That is SOoooo descriptive of what we are seeing in the comments of those whom we are all aware of in this forum.
Great post Highlander. Good ol George had this “double speak” concept down to a T as well.
Infamous phrases like this one from Pauline M. speaking to the English in Quebec.
“don’t worry, your rights will be fully protected”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FXHE6AAk1I&feature=player_detailpage#t=257s
Yeah, the double speak there is clear. The English HAVE NO RIGHTS thus, it’s pretty easy to protect non existent rights and that statement say’s it all. This is how she can say this with a straight face.
Or, Diane Decourse, when she said, “The Anglophone minority in Quebec is at ‘ome here.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FXHE6AAk1I&feature=player_detailpage#t=251s
Yup, so true. Can’t fault her on that one. They indeed are “at their homes there.”
But certainly not in a welcome way as in — the KIND OF “at home” you were thinking of Diane.
They say this cr@p all time and THEY believe it in their own “double speak” context because, to them, it is believable IN their warped CONTEXT.
It’s like HftT saying there are English radio stations and English newspapers in Quebec.
Duhhh, of course there are. Quebec didn’t just — APPEAR — one day. But, just because there are remnants of these English entities that still remain, doesn’t mean that the wheels of bill 101 and bill 14 and any subsequent “kill the English language and culture in Quebec” bills that come along won’t eventually take care of things on the road to English extermination in Quebec. Plain and simple.
AND THAT — brings me back to George Orwell’s quote,
“The nationalist not only does not disprove of atrocities committed by his own side ,(FLQ CRISIS)but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.”
They refuse to see that what is going on in Quebec is NOTHING less than”state sponsored and condoned ethic cleansing” of my / our fellow Canadians brethren who’s only crime (if one can call it that) is that they live in the freaking province of Quebec.
People in this country MUST wake up and do something about that.
If, like everyone say’s, it is ONLY a small minority of French that are doing this then fine, the remaining majority MUST stand with the English against this atrocity. And if they don’t then they should be considered accomplices along with that so called minority.
At some point they MUST BE held to task for doing nothing. We MUST find a way to discern who is with this, and who is not.
We also MUST get a straight answer to the Question…
IS QUEBEC a province or a separate nation/country? ONE or the other ? Which one?
This MUST be clearly defined and decided once and for all.
Highlander
July 18, 2013 at 8:33 am
“If it were not for the laws and policies would there be”ABUSE”
And there would probably, be no Access to french services either!
“The government has set forth a policy whereby there is no measurable outcomes for its institutions thereby creating conditions to abuse this policy.”
The Government put forth the French Languages Service Act Guidelines. They are enforced through the PUBLIC NSTITUTIONS POLICIES.
“Yes it is the government and its laws that create this inequity because policies is not just enacting them but having measurable outcomes and these are government entities that enforce the compliance of these acts.”
As I have said in previous post, we are in agreement that there is UNFAIRNESS in the POLICIES. What I have also said the DATA is flawed. You can’t measure the ACTUAL need of anything when all you have is EXPECTED information.
We Know according to the Data that Ontario Government is using that there is an estimated 24% of Cornwall residents that are French. You may say differently let’s just agree for a moment for the purpose of the example.
OK Stats Can with the present DATA collection can answer two important questions. HOW MANY FRENCH-CANADIAN AND WHERE they reside.
The UNFAIRNESS becomes prevalent when Public Institutions are required to draft their Hiring Policies to be in compliance with the ACT. The DATA that they use is the same as the one you and I and everybody else. In order to be in compliance they draft
Policies with the established premise that they have to provide Bilingual Staff in order to provide Accessibility to French Services to 24% of the residents of Cornwall.
The reason they draft accordingly is they have no DATA to approach it differently. It is true that there is 24% needing accessibility to French Services.
The DATA that is needed to make it more reflective to the population is how many TODAY.
Let’s use this analogy. We know that today McDonald’s will sell burgers. Because of the way they collect their DATA they will know how many Big Macs, how many Kids meals how many coffees etc..that they ACTUALLY sold.
Today, hospital knows that there is a potential base of 24% of it’s clientele that MAY need French Services. With the present DATA collection what it can not answer is how many per day, week, month, year and at what time on which work hour French Services where Provided.
All the Hiring requirements are based on Flawed or inadequate DATA.
HOW MANY PER SHIFT FRENCH SERVICES ACTUALLY POVIDED?
The reality can very well be ex. 100 patients- 85-English 15-French? Who knows no DATA.
If this ACTUAL VS EXPECTED DATA was available when Drafting Policies it would bring ACTUAL NEED = FAIRNESS to all PUBLIC SERVICE EMPLOYEES.
We no longer have to have all bilingual, based on ACTUAL, FACTUAL NEED SERVED.
Would this approach not be more reflective to the needs of the population and FAIR ?
How do we do it?
Got to go now, my Sand box is waiting!
Hungry for the Truth…. July 18, 2013 at 6:27 am
HftT wrote, “You are so right that the FRENCH-Canadians did loose the battle and on “Les Plaine d’Abraham.”
Yup. That they did. I see the “sore loser effects” of it staring me in the face practically daily.
Je me souviens
HftT wrote,
“But the attempt to eradicate the French was never accomplished.
The British actually decided to leave them be. They let the French remain and let them keep their language and culture. A noble act, I would say. Especially considering that the “method of the day” back then when you were the victor in battle was to annihilate the commoners and ship the leaders back to whence they came.
(Shhh, between you and I, with all this whining over the years. It seems to be they would been better off back in France anyways I suspect.)
HftT wrote,
“They British won the land, but did not win the language rights over the French-Canadian. The complete historical Fact is the British later granted recognition to the FACT that French we’re the first settlers in lower Canada and later enacted ;
Quebec Act
The Province of Quebec in 1774
—————–
WELL SAID mon amis.
And, it is ALL — TRUE – Well said HftT Good of you to point out how amazing, generous and accommodating the British / English were to the French whom they defeated.
And, what did Quebec do with all of this generosity and accommodation?
They turned around and spit in the face of the very people who offered it to them. NICE !!! How appreciative they are as a race.
Then, in an effort it seems to show more appreciation, they further diminished the Anglophones living in Quebec by passing one of THEeeeeee most abusive of human rights laws any “province” (pretending to be a country) could ever pass in humankind. A law that was struck down as unconstitutional (darn history again) but then revived as a result of a clause that was conveniently placed in the constitution by the general of all the the cr@p we are seeing today… P.E.T
Gee thanks. Like you said, learn from history. Guess we won’t be doing the French any favors in the future considering how they treat those that have been VERY nice to them after they were defeated and reduced to practically NOTHING within that defeat.
HftT wrote, “Why would the French-Canadian want to erect a Memorial to a man that had a clear objective of destroying them?”
Ohhhh I dunno, maybe perhaps out of “historical” respect. But no, that is not a “French trait” is it? They seem to be a rather spiteful group. Hey, that’s maybe why Canada is in the state it‘s in NOW. That’s it. There ya go. You have cleared up one of Stella’s long held misconceptions about who is trying to break up this country and tear it apart. THE FRENCH. 2 referendums and all these nasty anti English laws. Shesh…
Anyways,. I digress, maybe perhaps out of the fact that the land in question is that of — Canada –
and NOT that of the “province” of Quebec.
Like you said, the British WON THE LAND so, it’s a done deal
This seems the best time to remind you and your sort — yet again — that, no matter how much you may dream about it and wish it, Quebec IS NOT A COUNTRY. Not yet anyways. Please make it so number 1, please make it so. Get this parasite away before it literally kills the host — Canada —
The only “common sense” involved here that you speak if is actually not “common sense” at all. It is simple never ending abusive French rhetoric, coupled with a never ending spiteful and resentful feeling which it seems they will “never get over” — THE LOSS OF THAT BATTLE – on the Plains of Abraham.
The battle which gave Canada to the British.
They can’t even be humble and respectful in defeat.
And, you know what they say,
Sore losers are very often bad winners too.
So, yeah, Je me souviens TOO..
But, remember. Have a nice sand filled day eh 🙂
@ Stella. The big G and his LFA are going nowhere fast. I was looking forward to the Parliament Hill rally / mattress-tossing contest, but it seems to have been canceled for some strange reason. With their twenty-odd million supporters, you’d think they could have had the biggest rally we’ve ever seen in Canada. Maybe they didn’t get their demo application in on time? Oh well, maybe next year.
@Highlander RE: POST on July 18, 2013 at 11:08 am
Richard tremblay
July 18, 2013 at 7:08 am
“hungry you said it all. me and stella don’t have to add anything more.”
Highlander replied”Did I miss something ?Did you and Stella actually add something of significance to the debate?”
Ha ha hahaha… LOL hahahaha.. ROTFL That is just too funny. Good one Highlander.
HFTT wrote: Would this approach not be more reflective to the needs of the population and FAIR ?
HFTT….There is something that you may be missing here.
Their leader sent out thousands of pamphlets on how to eliminate the French. Unless it was changed recently, that was his intent and original goal. That is why he also lost an election.
Having said this, the freedom fighters claim they want fairness, it is a cover up for what their real intent is.
The fairness approach seems less harsh and more enticing.
You are too intelligent to fall for that line of “fairness” Their statistics are taking from sites that suits their needs.
Statistics are like polls , they differ depending on who is doing it.
Hungry for the Truth….
July 18, 2013 at 12:53 pm
“If this ACTUAL VS EXPECTED DATA was available when Drafting Policies it would bring ACTUAL NEED = FAIRNESS to all PUBLIC SERVICE EMPLOYEES.
We no longer have to have all bilingual, based on ACTUAL, FACTUAL NEED SERVED.”
I believe the actual needs would be significantly less then Representation by population as of the many that are classified as French bilingual are more comfortable speaking English .
Either way the government and its citizens Require a measuring stick to make this FAIR and EQUITABLE for both official languages as at this point it creates resentment with unfair hiring and Services beyond those needs.
Highlander July 18, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Hungry for the Truth….
July 18, 2013 at 12:53 pm
If this ACTUAL VS EXPECTED DATA was available when Drafting Policies it would bring ACTUAL NEED = FAIRNESS to all PUBLIC SERVICE EMPLOYEES.
We no longer have to have all bilingual, based on ACTUAL, FACTUAL NEED SERVED.
“I believe the actual needs would be significantly less then Representation by population as of the many that are classified as French bilingual are more comfortable speaking English .”
That is not what present Stats reflect the question is not are you more comfortable in English. If your ASSUMTION and it is an assumption, was to be true it would than be quantified as an
English Service and not French. Actual SERVICES DELIVERED and in what Language is the measuring stick. ACTUAL.
“Either way the government and its citizens Require a measuring stick to make this FAIR and EQUITABLE for both official languages as at this point it creates resentment with unfair hiring and Services beyond those needs.”
If you are not seeing that this DATA would be fair and equitable, I’m going to have to agree with Stella that your true objective is to remove all the French Languages Laws and not make them FAIR.
It’s pretty self explanatory. A Fair Actual reflective measuring stick.
Got to go now, my Sand box is waiting
@hftT—and others…
I am not of the mind that offering services to the French “where numbers warrant” in ALL of Canada is the solution.
In what is passed off as an attempt to find a “REAL” solution something is being left out. That is the nasty little thing some seem to only latch onto when it benefits their side. Something called history.
The FACT is, sometime back in “Canada’s history,” this “system” (shall we call it? For lack of a better term at the moment) was put in place to insure that the playing field would eventually be slanted in the favor of the “preferred player.” That is to say … In this case, it was implemented by Trudeau (and other powers that be) to ultimately benefit THE FRENCH.
So, it may appear to be a noble act and a good solution by trying to solve this by trying to find “the true numbers” in order to “make this fair” but, because of the already built in historical bias, it is nothing more than buying into and continuing “the CON.”
The FACT IS … IT IS NOT the solution.
And, IT IS NOT the solution for MORE THAN ONE REASON.
I’ll explain. Reason 1-
Bilingualism is the tool through which the French are ultimately moving towards
— A TOTAL AND COMPLETE FRENCH DOMINANT Canada —
The proof?
If all of this were — REALLY — about bilingualism and cohabiting together in this country then why is it that Quebec is NOT teaching its citizens English.
THEY ARE in fact, NOT only NOT teaching them English but, they have also proven, time and time again… They want NOTHING TO DO WITH THE English language or the English culture. Laws that prohibit English etc.
Bilingualism is simply an interim state to them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHxHDN0nCJI&feature=player_detailpage#t=26s
Since they wish to remain — FRENCH only — while forcing the ROC to become so called “French/bilingual” this means that ultimately the whole country will be French dominant.
More and more people in Quebec CANNOT even speak English AT ALL.
And those than can speak English, often refuse to speak it.
Like they say, “bilingualism to the French is death.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUPk2sijbgs&hd=1
Assimilation.. assimilation. Remove the English or there will be assimilated. Run. English are present. Run. Take your kids from that school bus. Run.
And of course, there is also Stella’s remarks to add in as proof of what is going on (and she knows it)…
When Eric wrote: “It is obvious that bilingualism is not catching on, except for Que.”
Stella set us all straight when she wrote, “
Dream on honey!!! You are way out in left field on this one. Example: Check out the teacher’s job posting website for all of Ontario and beyond, then let me know if it is catching on.”
Another TRUTH is, the MAIN reason why many hospitals (as one example) are declaring themselves as bilingual right now is because, like most hospitals right now, they are strapped for cash.
A financial reward (just one of the tools) was put in place by “those powers that be (or their minions)” which I spoke of previously as incentives to help with the spread of French throughout all of Canada.
Even well intentioned folk get cause because declaring themselves bilingual affords them more cash yes BUT, it comes along with its own built in “trap” if you will. They MUST hire a certain quota and because of one of the another (what you like to call laws, and I call part of the CON) that was implemented by the proverbial “wolves at the door of the hen house” back in the day, they then have to be concerned about having a French person who wishes to work in “the language of their choice” so that means hiring French supervisors for this reason also.
And on it goes, and on and on directly to the root. The CON continues.
Like the cheese on the end of the mouse trap. It lures the victim in thinking this is yummy (or in this case, good for the country) BUT…
Ultimately, like the mouse finds out, the reward IS NOT worth ones own demise, or the demise of the unilingual Anglophone.
Reason 2- AND ALSO… THE REAL SOLUTION.
This country is called Canada. The common language in this country is ENGLISH. And, just as the French say when speaking of the province of Quebec (which they deem to be an actual separate NATION), if you want to live in Quebec you MUST SPEAK FRENCH.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rpJbxjT564&hd=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40F23trVKEo&hd=1
Therefore, the solution is… We take a page directly from them and say, if you want to live in Canada YOU MUST speak ENGLISH. Let’s face it, It is much easier for the 1.0% (I am guessing but, I know it’s a tiny number none the less) of French people who don’t know English at all to learn it when venturing outside of Quebec into Canada (or just about anywhere else in this world for that matter.)
By all means, the French can still live in Canada and keep their French but if they choose not to move to Quebec, it is understood that JUST LIKE, it is French in Quebec, — it is ENGLISH in Canada — Fair, simple and MUCH less costly.
In closing, to my fellow Anglophones posters in this forum I say, be VERY wary of what is REALLY GOING ON here, and also be wary of the wolf in sheep’s clothing and “what may appear on the surface to be “real solutions.”
The Truth is — just that — The TRUTH.
Buying into the “where numbers warrant” solution is selling out to “their” side.
Just like when you go to buy a used car. The person selling wants 2000 so when you arrive they say, 2500 to which you reply, 2000 so they hem and haw for a second then say, deal.” In effect, getting exactly what they wanted or could get based on what you think is YOU getting what YOU wanted.
Realistically…If this — WERE indeed really about — bilingualism, (a two fold concept) they would allow and encourage their people to learn English and would NOT be outlawing it in their province. But, they don’t and do.
🙂
EDUYORLIK
AKA Killroy
AKA “King of Rant”
Killroy
July 18, 2013 at 12:46 pm
HFTT wrote “You are so right that the FRENCH-Canadians did loose the battle and on “Les Plaine d’Abraham.”
If you’re going to Quote me put it in context.
I Know this is a new concept for you to put things into a factual
context. Give it a try. The truth might be found.
Hungry for the Truth….
July 18, 2013 at 6:27 am
You are so right that the FRENCH-Canadians did loose the battle and on “Les Plaine d’Abraham.
But the attempt to eradicate the French was never accomplished. They British won the land, but did not win the language rights over the French-Canadian. The complete historical Fact is the British later granted recognition to the FACT that French we’re the first settlers in lower Canada and later enacted ;Hungry for the Truth…. July 18, 2013 at 6:27 am
Got to go now, my Sand box is waiting.
Ah hem, you’re not making any sense hftT.
I quoted what i needed to quote and then added my input about what YOU SEEM to be missing.
It WAS NOT a case of “never accomplishing” something because they decided not to bother. They decided to leave the French be.
Hungry for the Truth….
July 18, 2013 at 7:48 pm
“English Service and not French. Actual SERVICES DELIVERED and in what Language is the measuring stick. ACTUAL.”
Hungry I agree that actual services delivered vs actual needs may provide an opportunity to calculate and provide a measuring stick but it too can be skewed as it remains with the human factor .
To set this measuring up would likely require an entire bureaucracy with an analysis team and years to accomplish and how many millions/billions?
We have stats Canada results already available without having to creating and burdening taxpayers another bureaucracy.
What should really open readers minds as it has mine is your ultimatum ;
“If you are not seeing that this DATA would be fair and equitable, I’m going to have to agree with Stella that your true objective is to remove all the French Languages Laws and not make them FAIR.”
So let me see because I may not necessarily agree to your views to a measurable approach to providing French services and hiring of which we both agree needs correction ;you would agree with someone who only purpose on here is provide propaganda and state” to remove all the French Languages Laws and not make them FAIR.”
So having a different approach for the same outcome labels me ?
With this approach it tells me that perhaps Stella is waiting in your sandbox and has the PROPAGANDA cool-aid ready for you!
To all, have a look at this and think about how the world really views us and our language dilemma. For those of you who have traveled to other countries you are already been enlightened to other perspectives on the issue.
Sorry about that could not cut and paste as link
http://www.thebeaverton.com/montreal/item/785-parrot-removed-from-montreal-biodome-after-learning-too-much-english
Maybe its just me, but what does it say about the separatists and their insecurities not to mention mental facilities when they have a compliance officer to investigate the language of creatures other than human? The world laughs at the French in Canada, no small wonder!
There was a story a while back about dogs in public parks having to learn and respond to French commands. Freedom-fighters went ballistic until it was explained to them that it was an April Fools joke. Brilliant!
I was just waiting for someone to post that. david got caught. Did you know that the parrot story was made up. it is fiction, look into it.
@ David Oldham. You do realize that The Beaverton is a satirical website, don’t you? Not quite up to The Onion standards, but pretty funny none the less. I mean, really, the ” Chief of Animal Compliance at the Office Québecoise de la Langue Française…”!!! Too funny!
Here’s another one to get Reformatory hearts all a-twitter.
http://www.thebeaverton.com/national/item/791-harper-hopes-shuffle-will-improve-cabinet-sex-life
Yeah it is made up but, those jokers over there have been know to do some pretty fooling chit anyways.
Site Disclaimer (from the Beaverton site)
“The Beaverton is a news satire and parody publication . All articles contained within this website, however similar to real events, are fictitious. When public figures are mentioned by name, the corresponding story details are invented. In all other cases, any resemblance to actual persons or events is entirely coincidental.”
But, remember pasta-gate? “The OQLF has decided to allow a few Italian words” was the official quote. AND, “this was due to an over zealous new young employee” Right !! And, had this had not hit the news he would have been patted on the back and told, “good job” opps i mean “bon job.” 🙂
The word Pasta? Really ??
Then, there was “the problem with” a few English words on plastic spoons being used to scoop yogurt. C’mon, really??? This is not that far off.
Besides, there WAS a real story years ago that involved a parrot in a pet store that was — heaven forbid — speaking English. And that one hit the “mainstream news.”
Highlander July 19, 2013 at 4:11 am
Hungry for the Truth….
July 18, 2013 at 7:48 pm
English Service and not French. Actual SERVICES DELIVERED and in what Language is the measuring stick. ACTUAL.
“Hungry I agree that actual services delivered vs actual needs may provide an opportunity to calculate and provide a measuring stick but it too can be skewed as it remains with the human factor.”
Agreed that it is open to human manipulation. No more, no less than Statistical compilation or analysis.
“To set this measuring up would likely require an entire bureaucracy with an analysis team and years to accomplish and how many millions/billions?”
Yes this system or any system that would lend itself at correcting the unfairness will ultimately have a price tag. I think the question that has to be asked “HOW IMPORTANT IS IT.”
Our tax dollars have been and are being spent on far less worthy projects. Change can only happen when a clear redirection is given. Right now, if a fresh approach is not sought at creating a FAIR and EQUITABLE “measuring stick”, unfairness brought on by the lack of this DATA will continue denying other wise qualified individuals, employment in the Public Service on Faulted unrealistic Hiring Policies.
“We have stats Canada results already available without having to creating and burdening taxpayers another bureaucracy.”
Stats Can may be the place to start without having to recreate another bureaucracy. If the correct questions were answered on ACTUAL SERVICE DELIVERY it could change the outcome.
I agree that Stats Can compiles and delivers DATA but as I’ve pointed out we get 2 questions answered, 1- How many French-Canadians and 2 Where they live by region.
“What should really open readers minds as it has mine is your ultimatum ;”
If you are not seeing that this DATA would be fair and equitable, I’m going to have to agree with Stella that your true objective is to remove all the French Languages Laws and not make them FAIR.
“So let me see because I may not necessarily agree to your views to a measurable approach to providing French services and hiring of which we both agree needs correction ;you would agree with someone who only purpose on here is provide propaganda and state” to remove all the French Languages Laws and not make them FAIR.”
“So having a different approach for the same outcome labels me ?”
If you interpreted my comments above as an ultimatum it was not intended as so. My deduction and comment are based on your previously posted comments.
“Either way the government and its citizens Require a measuring stick to make this FAIR and EQUITABLE for both official languages as at this point it creates resentment with unfair hiring and Services beyond those needs.” July 18, 2013 at 5:36 pm
You are not suggesting that we are in disagreement with the approach. Your statement clearly suggests the need for government and citizens requirement to have a “measuring stick.”
You are not lending support or disagreement to the suggested approach. Which on a deductive bases brings my comment if you are not seeing that this DATA would be fair and equitable, I’m going to have to agree with Stella that your true objective is to remove all the French Languages Laws and not make them FAIR. It does not read the same way as your above comment.
“Hungry I agree that actual services delivered vs actual needs may provide an opportunity to calculate and provide a measuring stick but it too can be skewed as it remains with the human factor.” July 19, 2013 at 4:11 am
And as for my agreement with Stella, I said that your statement leads me in agreement that our motives may not be the same. The rest that you have deducted are your deductions. As to what you see her intentions to be, I do not share your impressions. They are your views and interpretations.
“With this approach it tells me that perhaps Stella is waiting in your sandbox and has the PROPAGANDA cool-aid ready for you!”
Again, Highlander these are your interpretations I see them as voicing a difference of Opinions. And Stella like everyone else is welcomed in my Sand box. I promote INCLUSION. I’m able to make my OWN conclusions.
Got to go now, my Sand box is waiting!
Edudyorlik
July 19, 2013 11:10am
“But, remember pasta-gate? “The OQLF has decided to allow a few Italian words” was the official quote. AND, “this was due to an over zealous new young employee” Right !! And, had this had not hit the news he would have been patted on the back and told, “good job” opps i mean “bon job.” “
The FACT is that it was the Executive Director of OLFQ that was let go. The Separatist government cited that her actions was overzealous or EXTREME. The Separatist agree with you on this one.
Got to go now my, my Sand box is waiting!
@edudyorlik. I know for a fact that the pet-store parrot to which you refer was deceased, expired, gone to meet its maker, and extremely dead! It was, indeed an ex-parrot that was nailed to its perch! The store owner was playing a smuggled recording of an Ontario parrot speaking English.
Look it up.
Furtz and Richard……my point all along. Highlander and his crew take those videos as gospel truth to make their case. They even make their own videos which are no more convincing to the average person.
The truth of the matter is French is here to stay…..get used to it or move to a country where hatred is rampant and fighting your own is allowed.
Just for the record I believe ALL language laws should be eradicated, as they only serve to create division.
Another thought is why do we not have an English language commisioner, seems highly unfair to English Canadians.Who is looking out for my rights, which I must say are diminshing quickly…Canada has 2 Official languages, therefore I believe we should be lobbying the Harper government for our own Language Commisioner.
More food for thought, did you know PEI now has French Language Service Act for under 5000 Francophones….
@Cory
I recently heard from a solid source that there are segragated school buses in Northern Ontario…I believe in a little town called Raymor. Have you heard about this Cory????
Hello English Lassie. I had no idea that this town (I think you mean Ramore) had segregated school buses but I have to say that this Xenophobic doesn’t surprise me. We’ve seen this before in other places like Alexandria Ontario and South Africa. All to ensure that English and French speaking kids don’t talk to one another. By God the horror of such a taboo subject like that. What’s next, inter-marriage between the English and French? If it were up to the proposers of the racially pure laine types, Canada would have one race, one religion and one language.
Hungry for the Truth…. July 19, 2013 at 1:39 pm
” The FACT is that it was the Executive Director of OLFQ that was let go.”
Face is she was not let go she was transfered to direct Quebecs liquor control board.
The fact remains if the media did not address the issue she would have remained.
It took the media to shame the Quebec government when that was morally abusive .
stellabystarlight July 19, 2013 at 6:13 pm
“They even make their own videos which are no more convincing to the average person.”
This coming from an individual that admits that she NEVER looks at the video’s…oh the PROPAGANDA ONCE AGAIN from the Queen of propaganda.
English Lassie July 20, 2013 at 3:49 am
Right on there English Lassie.
Thanks for sharing that info English Lassie
The languages act say’s something about
“if the population reaches 10% French level” or more
So, i gather by these number which i got from searching for the info you mentioned which say
Quick Facts
•
French mother tongue population: 5,418 or 4%
•
Bilingual population: 17,005 or 12.3%
that they are now counting the “bilingual population” as the “French population.” Which is actually stated as 4%.
Funny how that ONLY applies when it benefits their side.
In some small English predominant communities in Quebec with 50% (50%, not 10 or 5% — half 50% grrrr) or less will soon not get any bilingual service AT ALL if that new bill 14 passes.
Not only do I promote separatism, but I encourage it everywhere.
As for not knowing what I am talking about, I lived through the FLQ crisis, I am from quebec, lived there forty years and my best friend in life was Francois Montminy.
I know the quebecois better than most.
Separation is not on the agenda for the likes of HFTT ,stella, and trembly and the like, because it would mean their cushy little world would be threatened, because there would be no justification for anything bilingual.
Add to that, the feds would never be able to justify anything bilingual with quebec OUT of Canada.
My contention, is that quebec is already a separate entity now. other than in name only there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING CANADIAN about quebec. its a joke.
So, if they want out asd 66% of them do, because in the last provincial election they voted for ,in one form or another for a separatist party, then get them out.
I have no fear that Canada would not only survive, but flourish and flourish well without quebec. HFTT fears what would happen to the francophones in Canada, without quebec, perhaps they could pledge allegiance to Canada, not frano Ontarians , whatever they are, and start to be Canadian.
In the end, quebec will go, because there will be a referendum they will win. And it looks good on them.
After returning for an extensive business trip from the U.S. southwest and western Canada, I can assure you and all else here, that Canadians don’t gives a rat’s ass if quebec leaves, most, other than the politicians, couldn’t care less if quebec stays in or out. I also suspect, in casual conversation with people from a broad range and spectrum that most want quebec out. They are simply fed up, as we all are with a province that is Not Canadian and is a albatross around Canada’s neck.
With quebec gone, Canada, can finally revamp its constitution to reflect the English majority’s heritage and culture and quebec, can have the nation it has always wanted. Case closed and bon chance
When I first started posting on the Subject of Languages unfairness, I believed that the purpose of the DEBATE was to collectively share on opinions and Ideas that would allow a suggestive path to change. OH MY GOD! How NAIVE I was.
This is not a DEBATE. There is no SOLUTIONS being
debated. I find the opinions of the participants on this subject
are in large part are expressed by self-loathing, bitter, malignant,
persecutors.
Motivated at using this forum as a therapeutic venting session
for their frustrations. Persecuting anyone that disagrees.
There is no DEBATE here! Not a glimmer of hope.
Like I’ve said in previous posts you can keep encouraging one
another by posting pretty graphs, and statistical data for another
three years and I can guarantee you with conviction that,
NOTHING WILL CHANGE it will remain a BIT—ING session.
And the Languages Laws will still be UNFAIR.
Jamie, you should be BILLING for the therapeutic sessions.
Talk amongst yourselves because the true nature of your OBJECTIVE is clear.
Your true purpose is to be RACIST, and promote BIGOTRY.
YOUR collective membership’s belief is to Attack rather than FIX.
I for one believe more in FIXING rather than FRENCH RACIST BASHING.
“You can fix Laws but you can’t fix BIGOTRY”
WELL CARY ON THE SENSLESS HATE DIALOGUE.
I’ll BE TROLLING
Got to go now, my Sand box is waiting.
@ peter. For someone claiming to “know the quebecois better than most”, a rather pompous and self aggrandizing statement, you spout an amazing amount of hogwash. I too spent the first part of my life in Quebec, and was working at Dominion Securities in downtown Montreal at the time of the 1970 October crisis. As a unilingual Anglo, working in the unilingual Anglo financial sector, it was clear to me way back then that the status quo (English rule) could not last forever. The Francophone population was tired of being shut out of halls of power and relegated to the factory floor. It’s as simple as that.
ON July 20, 2013 at 7:23 am Cory Cameron wrote, “If it were up to the proposers of the racially pure laine types, Canada would have one race, one religion and one language.”
I know this was meant to be sort of tongue n check Cory. And, i also know that not all French people are in line with these concepts and policies either BUT…
The REAL issue and problem is …
The ONES IN CHARGE and who pass laws and make a difference — ARE —
And… THOSE ones are the ones who, for the moment, are going unchallenged by both the English and the French who disagree and disapprove with that they are doing to the English in Quebec (and everywhere else they gain a foothold).
It seems to begin with a fair and good concept in a kind of,
— hey, we can be a bilingual town or school or hospital —
but then, it’s either the fear of assimilation or the sense of power and greatness that creeps in and, voila, it suddenly goes from a bilingual to a French dominant or French only town, school or hospital.
Fact is, even some of the French who don’t agree with what is happening don’t say anything because they feel the sense of power it brings to them, their language and their culture. And true be told, I can totally relate to and understand that but, it still doesn’t make it good.. OR RIGHT.
It’s sort of in line with the mantra of…
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Oh and Highlander, thanks for mentioning this.
Highlander wrote, “Face is she was not let go she was transfered to direct Quebecs liquor control board.”
I knew it was a shuffle type thing to give the impression that someone paid a price and something major was done but, i didn’t know all the details.
ON July 20, 2013 at 12:02 pm Hungry for the Truth…. wrote, “When I first started posting on the Subject of Languages unfairness, I believed that the purpose of the DEBATE was to collectively share on opinions and Ideas that would allow a suggestive path to change.”
What a load of dung this is. You’re so full of it. If this were anywhere near the truth you would not have been taunting people with posts that talk about how English people should go visit Quebec because there are English newspapers and English radio stations in Quebec. And how the English are treated so welcomingly there.
Yeah, maybe in Quebec city where they realize and appreciate the value of tourists dollars but most other places, naw.
All you are is a bunch of words strung together in an attempt to make yourself feel good and look good but, i have news (yes, English news) for you. You are not looking for truth because you have already decided what truth you believe and your not trying to “share real opinion” other than to beat around the bush with convoluted sentences that one has to wade through just to get to the some so called point that really doesn’t go anywhere or prove anything in the end.
The fact is. There really is NO DEBATE.
Quebec (the province) is going around acting as if it is a
— country — on one hand, then taking Canadian tax payers money as if they are a — province — on the other …
AND…
They are treating the Canadians citizens that are living in that god forsaken province like dirt and THAT HAS TO STOP.
You Stella, Richard and all the rest of you’s can “pretend” all day long that it’s cozy peachy fine there for English people but THAT IS A LIE, or only applies to a VERY select few.
I have friends that live there and i go there now and then (though i desperately try not to) and i can tell you first hand. There is a genuine hate by MANY of the pure laine there that resides just under the surface for people that are not pure laine French.
Just the simple task of taking public transit and asking politely in English for directions can prove that to just about ANYONE.
Also,
you and the rest of your clan can say anything you want about the video’s i have highlighted but, many of the clips in them are capture from the news which are true stories.
Like the one about how that woman was punched and told to go back to her country. That remains the truth and that is the REAL black eye regarding Quebec and the state sanctioned hatred and bigotry towards people who don’t happen to be French and how they are treated there.
Nothing you can say will make that woman’s story (and many of the others) like the priest who was told right to his face, we don’t serve English here, and the lady who was egged because she was English. Oh, and yes Stella, the man that was allergic to tomatoes who had a tomato sandwich thrown in his face. Yup, nothing any of you can say will reduce the reality and truth of what English people are truly living with there in CANADA yes, Canada, not the country of Quebec or the Nation of Quebec. The country of Canada. Their own damn country.
Oh but, don’t forget. Have a good day eh 🙂
Oh and PS, HftT
Here’s — THE — fix
http://youtu.be/JZz61S3sTA8 08:20
Imagine that…
It was right there in your sandbox the whole time 🙂
Message to all the oppressed Anglo freedom-fighters…
If you spend every waking moment of your life with your face in a knot, looking for or expecting rudeness or a fight, that is exactly what you will get.
In my younger days, I knew guys who would go to the bars on Saturday nights just itching to get into a fight, and they usually did. It was a huge disappointment to them if they didn’t.
Unlike this generation of freedom-fighters, most of those guys grew up and realized that it was much better to get along with others.
If indeed your mission in life is to squawk and whine and dig up stories that reinforce why you should be miserable, carry on. But if you ever do mature enough to finally realize that getting along with others makes for a much more pleasant life, I highly recommend it.
Now, did any of you hear about that parrot at the Montreal Biodome that was deported to Toronto for speaking English?
If I am visiting another city, lets say Montreal and if I am a radical freedom fighter, I will know where to go and who to talk to in order to get the debate started. Freedom fighters are good at seeking and finding their own when visiting anyplace. They stand out like a sore thumb.
Again……if one is looking for trouble, they will find it. If they are looking for backers and radicals, they will find that also.
Why no big uproar from the freedom fighters who are so concerned about their tax dollars, when OMAR KHADR and family received thousands upon thousands of dollars from the Canadian Gov., up front, two open heart surgeries to members of their family, reattachment of a severed limb for Omar’s father and ongoing care for a family member paralyzed from the waist down.
That folks, was giving to them on a silver platter by the FED GOV while they were living most of the time in Afghanistan and returning to Canada only when medical care was needed. Is that not a TRAVESTY? Would that not give the freedom fighters cause to complain?
Like a said before, the fairness excuse and tax dollars excuse is a cover up for their real agenda which is to eliminate the French culture as so well stated in galganov original pamphlets.
@ Stella. Do you know of any more English speaking parrots in Quebec? We need to know! This outrage must stop!
HFTT
You are absolutely correct. We want a Canada that is fair and just to ALL CANADIANS, and that includes English Canadians living in quebec. We want English quebeckers to be able to send their children to English schools WITHOUT ANY RESTRICTIONS WHATSOEVER
We want English quebeckers to post commercial signs in English and have lettering as large or even larger than french or any others’ language lettering for that matter.
We want English quebeckers to be treated by pure laine french and everyone as as they ( the frecnh) would to be treated.
We want the L’Office de la screw les Anglais abolished. We want the tongue troopers abolished we want in short EQUALITY for all that is English .
Since this will never happen in quebec, because of its racist, anti-English ,anti-democratic society, then we want them out of Canada. They can go and have their own little homophobic and xenaphobic society ( sandbox ) if you will and bon chance to them
Just don’t include Canada in your societal nightmare
If you are so concerned about Anglo Quebecers why live in ONTARIO. What does it punkin matter to me? WE ARE IN ONTARIO.
Go back and live with your contractor friend. Help him out before
he becomes a lost HATEFUL soul like yourself.
Your true purpose is to promote RACISIM and propagate BIGOTRY.
CARY ON YOUR SENSLESS HATE DIALOGUE.
JUST LEAVE ME OUT OF IT. NO REPLY REQUIRED!!!!!
Your spewing HATRED………
Got to go now, my Sand box is waiting.
stellabystarlight
July 20, 2013 at 5:04 pm
“Like a said before, the fairness excuse and tax dollars excuse is a cover up for their real agenda which is to eliminate the French culture as so well stated in galganov original pamphlets.’
Stella Those radical freedom fighters as you refer to are asking for Fairness ,you chose to call that radical of course you refer to others that do not have your viewpoints as RADICAL.
Speaking of Real agenda you continue to propagandize that these “Freedom fighter’s ” are trying to separate the country yet not a word from you about a group who’s only intention is to separate the country …THE SEPARATISTS.
Stella and Richard I suggest if your really concerned about a group separating the country you direct your energy towards them the SEPARATISTS …but is this not part of your own agenda ….as clearly the viewers and posters See you do have an agenda!
Furtz
July 20, 2013 at 3:32 pm
“Unlike this generation of freedom-fighters, most of those guys grew up and realized that it was much better to get along with others.”
“If indeed your mission in life is to squawk and whine and dig up stories that reinforce why you should be miserable, carry on. But if you ever do mature enough to finally realize that getting along with others makes for a much more pleasant life, I highly recommend it.”
So fighting for equal rights means not getting along with others ?-Or is Apathy better then having to address those issues ?
Benjamin Franklin stated :
“Those who give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety,deserve neither liberty or safety”
FLQ crisis was manageable and controlled through language legislation at the cost of liberty ,and apathy is the political tool utilized to slowly erode our rights!
Furtz………actually they are thinking of sending all the English parrots to Parrot Jungle in Florida. I can’t believe this. We must stand together and fight this.
Furtz….the English parrots are upset and have been squawking non stop since Quebec deported that one parrot to Toronto.
We should have a rally at the Montreal Biodome, these English parrots are being mistreated. The majority of the parrots are English and the majority should rule.
If Quebec can’t accept the English parrots the Biodome should be closed until the issue is resolved.
Hungry for the Truth….
July 20, 2013 at 7:56 pm
“If you are so concerned about Anglo Quebecers why live in ONTARIO. What does it punkin matter to me? WE ARE IN ONTARIO.”
So much for humanity there Hungry .They are fellow Canadians being mistreated so yes it effects us .
Should we say for example what happened with the train crash and loss of all those lives “what does it punkin matter to me it happened in Quebec we live in Ontario!
What happens to Canadians in other provinces may have a direct or indirect impact on all Canadians and empathy and humanity play a factor.
Hungry you may not agree with peter and your derogatory comments can easily define the propaganda crew ,but you lack empathy for others and I am disappointed with you and your comments .
HFTT…..You got that right, this is Ontario and if they are so concerned about Quebec they should move there……..then perhaps they can make a difference. They would be with their own who claim they are being mistreated and really get the ball rolling.
highlander wrote: Should we say for example what happened with the train crash and loss of all those lives “what does it punkin matter to me it happened in Quebec we live in Ontario!
So pray tell highlander, what have you or your followers done for the train crash victim’s families being you are so concerned about other provinces? Are you going to have a rally and demand they get more help? Are you going to have a rally and demand that the Quebec Gov go after the rail company for more money? Why must you dramatize every unfortunate situation to suit your
purpose and agenda?
This line of caring for other provinces is a cover up for your real agenda……..just like the line about tax dollars and fairness.
Why are things in Saskatchewan or Manitoba never brought? Do they not have problems there or is it just Quebec? It really makes one wonder doesn’t it.