Cornwall ON – Here is your police blotter for Tuesday June 14, 2011.
OBSTRUCT POLICE, BREACH and WARRANTS
Cornwall, Ont. – Randall Beaudry, 49, of No Fixed Address was arrested on the 13th of June, 2011 for several offences. The male was bound by an Undertaking Order with conditions to Not associate with persons known to have a criminal record, to Not associate with persons know to use or deal with drugs and to Keep the Peace and be of Good Behaviour. Police allege that they located the male in the company of an acquaintance who is currently charged with drug offences. The pair were located walking on Marlborough Street when the officer stopped to investigate. Upon questioning, the male provided the officer with a false name and then fled the area on foot. The male was located a short distance away and once his identity was confirmed, he was arrested for 1 count of Personation and 3 counts of Breach of Undertaking. Police also learned that there were 2 outstanding warrants. The male appeared in court on the arrest date.
BREACH OF RECOGNIZANCE
Cornwall, Ont. – Francis Kirk Kameka, 35, of Cornwall was arrested on the 13th of June, 2011 for breaching his conditions. He was bound by a Recognizance Order with a condition to report to the Cornwall Community Police Service every Monday between specific hours. Twice prior, it is alleged that the male reported in late and was warned by the Officer in Charge to abide by his condition. On the offence date, it is alleged that the male once again reported late. He was arrested for 1 count of Breach of Recognizance and released to appear in court on the 05th of July, 2011 to answer to the charge.
DOMESTIC ASSAULT
Cornwall, Ont. – A 36 year-old Cornwall female was arrested on the 13th of June, 2011 following a domestic disturbance investigation. It is alleged that during an argument with her 37 year-old husband she punched him in the face and scratched him in the chest area. The victim did not require medical attention at the time of the incident. Police were contacted and an investigation resulted in the female facing 1 count of Assault. She was held in custody until court. Her name is not being released as it may identify the victim in this incident.
ASSAULT
Cornwall, Ont. – Kyle Alexander Seguin, 21 of Long Sault was arrested on the 13th of June, 2011 for Assault. It is alleged that he confronted a male known to him on First Street East. The male punched the victim in the left cheek which necessitated medical attention for the victim’s injury. Police were contacted and an investigation commenced. As a result, the male is facing 1 count of Assault Causing Bodily Harm. He is scheduled for court on the 05th of July, 2011 to answer to the charge.
BREACH OF UNDERTAKING
Cornwall, Ont. – Kristan Hewitt, 18, of Cornwall was arrested on the 19th of June, 2011 for breaching her conditions. She was bound by an Undertaking Order with conditions to Keep the Peace and be of Good Behaviour and to Not be outside her apartment between specific hours. Police allege that earlier the female was reminded by police to abide by her conditions and upon their return to a medical institution located the female past her curfew. She was arrested for 2 counts of Breach of Undertaking and held in custody until court.
DRUGS
Cornwall, Ont. – Manon Marie Landry, 44, of Cornwall was arrested on June 8th, 2011 by members of the Cornwall Community Police Service Street Crime Unit following an investigation. It is alleged that the female was stopped and found to be in possession of drugs, believed to be cocaine. She is facing 1 count of Possession of a Controlled Substance and she is scheduled for court on the 12th of July, 2011 to answer to the charge.
PROHIBITED WEAPONS
Cornwall, Ont. – Chris Tony Dupuis, 24, of Cornwall was arrested on the 10th of June, 2011. Members of the Criminal Investigations Bureau and Community Patrol executed a search warrant at the male’s residence following receipt of information that he was in possession of tasers. As a result of the search, the male was arrested and is facing 1 count of Trafficking in Prohibited Weapons, 7 counts of Unauthorized Possession of a Prohibited Weapon and 1 count of Possession of a Prohibited Weapon. He was held in custody until court.
FAIL TO APPEAR
Cornwall, Ont. – Kellen Michael Sunday, 26, of Cornwall was arrested on the 10th of June, 2011. On the 07th of June, 2011 it is alleged that he failed to attend for his scheduled fingerprint appointment. On the arrest date, it is alleged that the police had contact with the male on an unrelated matter and discovered that he failed to attend the appointment. He was arrested and released to appear in court on the 21st of June, 2011 to answer to the charge.
CARE AND CONTROL and OVER .80
Cornwall, Ont. – Sebastien Lebel St-Martin, 23, of Cornwall was arrested in the early hours of June 11th, 2011. Police allege that they located a male under the influence of alcohol behind the drivers’ seat of a motor vehicle in a parking lot off Montreal Road. The male was arrested for Care and Control and transported for testing which resulted in a charge of Over .80. He was released to appear in court on the 30th of June, 2011 to answer to the charges.
DRUGS
Cornwall, Ont. – Adam Kerr, 20, of Cornwall was arrested in the early hours of June 11th, 2011. A member of Community Patrol located an intoxicated male walking on Sydney Street. The male was arrested for a Liquor Licence Act offence and a search revealed that he was in possession of drugs, believed to be marijuana. The male is facing 1 count of Possession of a Controlled Substance. He was released to appear in court at a later date.
ASSAULT
Cornwall, Ont. – A 54 year-old Cornwall male was arrested on the 11th of June, 2011 following a family dispute. It is alleged that during an argument with a family member, he struck a youth in the back of the neck. The victim did not require medical attention at the time of the incident. Police were contacted and an investigation resulted in the male being charged with 1 count of Assault. He was released to appear in court at a later date. His name is not being released as it may identify the victim in this incident.
IMPAIRED OPERATION and OVER 80
Cornwall, Ont. – Scott Provencal, 43, of Cornwall was arrested in the early hours of June 11th, 2011 following a motor vehicle collision at the intersection of 9th and Sydney Street. It is alleged that the male operated a motor vehicle while under the influence of alcohol when he collided with another motor vehicle. The male drove away from the area of the accident and police were contacted. The male was located some distance away by members of Community Patrol and arrested for Impaired Operation of a Motor Vehicle. He was transported for testing which resulted in a charge of Over .80. He was released to appear in court on the 30th of June, 2011. He is further facing Highway Traffic Act charges in relation to the motor vehicle collision.
IMPAIRED OPERATION and OVER 80
Cornwall, Ont. – Tyler H. G. Martell, 21, of Cornwall was arrested in the early hours of June 11th. Police allege that they located the male driver operating a motor vehicle on a one-way street travelling in the wrong direction. Police allege that the male was under the influence of alcohol at the time. He was arrested for Impaired Operation of a Motor Vehicle. He was transported for testing which resulted in a charge of Over .80. He was released to appear in court on the 30th of June, 2011.
AIRPLANE USED IN ENFORCEMENT
(SD&G) – Over the past weekend members of the HSD (Highway Safety Division) as well as SD&G OPP officers took part in a traffic initiative involving the use of the airplane on Highway 401 throughout Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Townships.
The total number of charges stemming from the initiative was 205, ranging from speeding, follow too close, suspended driving and stunt driving.
Insp. Mike McDonell stated” a clear message was sent to driver’s that the OPP are tremendously serious about road safety”.
SD&G OPP would like to remind the motoring public to time manage and respect the rules of the road when travelling on our roadways.
TRAFFIC STOP NETS DRUGS
(North Glengarry) – On 12Jun11, at approximately 12:15am, SD&G OPP officers had occasion to conduct a traffic stop on County Road 23, North Glengarry Township.
The stop revealed that the 17yr old male driver was in possession (small amount) of suspected marihuana. The male was also found to breaching his earlier release conditions.
He was arrested and faces charges of:
- Possession Schedule II Cannabis Marihuana
- Breach of Probation Order
- Fail to Comply with Sentence or Disposition
He is scheduled to appear 03Aug11 in Alexandria court.
(South Stormont) – On 12Jun11, at approximately 4:30pm, SD&G OPP officers had occasion to conduct a traffic stop on Highway 401, South Stormont Township.
The stop resulted in the seizure of approximately 1.5 kilograms of suspected marihuana. The 29yr old male driver (Ojay Hainsley BARNAIS of Montreal, QC) and his 21yr old female passenger (Sofia ALLOUL of Montréal, QC) were arrested and face a charge of:
- Trafficking Schedule II – Cannabis Marihuana under 3 kilograms
The approximate street value of the seized drugs is $10,000.00
Both were held in custody pending an appearance in Cornwall court.
DOMESTIC INCIDENT
(South Stormont) On 10Jun11, at approximately 10:00am, SD&G OPP officers responded to report of a domestic incident on County Road 42, South Stormont Township.
The investigation revealed that a 44yr old male was breaching his earlier release conditions by contacting his ex-wife.
He was arrested and faces charges of:
- Fail to Comply – Undertaking before Officer in Charge
- Criminal Harassment – repeatedly communicate with
He was held in custody pending an appearance in Cornwall court.
CHARGES LAID
(North Dundas) On 11Jun11, at approximately 2:00am, SD&G OPP officers had occasion to conduct a traffic stop on County Road 31, North Dundas Township.
The stop revealed that the 41yr old male driver (Jeffrey SHELDRICK of Metcalfe, On) was operating a vehicle under the influence of alcohol.
He was arrested and faces charges of:
- Impaired Operation / Motor Vehicle
- Exceed 80mgs / Motor Vehicle
He is scheduled to appear 21Jun11 in Cornwall court.
TRAFFIC STOP NETS DRUGS
(South Stormont) – On 14Jun11, at approximately 2:30am, SD&G OPP officers had occasion to conduct a traffic stop on Highway 401, South Stormont Township.
The stop resulted in the seizure of approximately 176grams of suspected marihuana.
The 24yr old male driver from (Ottawa, On.) and his 25yr old male passenger from (Kanata, On.) were arrested and face a charge of:
- Trafficking Schedule II – Cannabis Marihuana under 3 Kilograms
Both men were held in custody pending an appearance in Cornwall court.
The street value of the seized drugs is approximately $2000:00.
CAUSE DISTURBANCE
(South Dundas) – On 13Jun11, at approximately 3:30pm, SD&G OPP officers responded to a report of a disturbance on Sir James Morris Drive, Morrisburg On.
The investigation revealed that an 18yr old male was under the influence of alcohol and causing a disturbance. He was also found to be breaching his earlier releases conditions.
He was arrested and faces charges of:
- Fail to Comply – Undertaking Before Officer in Charge
- Cause Disturbance
He was held in custody pending an appearance in Cornwall court.
First it would be natives, then blacks, then kids with bad hair cuts, then…
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Today 500 Police Raid First Nation Reserves Looking For Marijuana. Demonize, demonize, demonize. What the penalty going to be – Residential schools?
For Immediate Release
Tuesday, June 14, 2011
Mohawk raid condemned by International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State
The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS) says Canadian police involved in felony drug trafficking
International media release
June 14, 2011
ITCCS Condemns RCMP raids on sovereign Mohawk territory, Claims RCMP involvement in criminal drug trade across Canada
LONDON — Today’s para-military assault by 500 Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) officers on sovereign Mohawk territory around Montreal was condemned by the international body investigating crimes against humanity in Canada.
The nine-nation International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS), based in London and Brussels, called for the immediate withdrawal of “foreign occupation forces” from Mohawk territory and for “an end to the phony war on drugs that is concealing the Canadian government’s own apparent complicity in these crimes.”
At least forty Mohawk citizens have been arrested by the RCMP today on sovereign native land, without warrant or warning, merely for suspected marijuana possession.
Speaking from London, England, an ITCCS spokesman said, “In our archives are sworn eyewitness statements from aboriginal people in Canada describing the regular involvement of RCMP officers in the transport and protection of offshore shipments of cocaine and heroin at Port Renfrew and Waglisla, British Columbia, and at Cornwall, Ontario.”
“We believe that the ongoing murder of aboriginal people across Canada is connected to this involvement of an element of the RCMP in the drug trade, which operates through government-funded native chiefs on Indian reserves. Today’s assault on the sovereign Mohawks for simple marijuana possession is therefore not only questionable but highly suspect, considering the history of the Mohawks in defending their land and rights against the same forces now attacking them.”
The ITCCS is convening its investigation into Crimes against Humanity in Canada and other countries on September 15, 2011 in London, Brussels, and at least five Canadian cities.
The ITCCS has issued a Public Summons to Canadian Prime Minister Steven Harper to appear before its inquiry to answer charges of complicity in genocide and obstructing justice. Harper has not replied to the Summons nor contested the charges made against him.
For more information see: http://www.itccs.org/
Issued by ITCCS London
14 June, 2011
Read the truth of genocide in Canada and globally at:
http://www.itccs.org/
http://www.hiddennolonger.com/
http://www.hiddenfromhistory.org/
Posted by brendanorrell@gmail.com at 1:27 PM
interesting Censor…on one hand they want nothing to do with non aboriginals yet when they get their butts in a sling the utilize an act written by the very cultures that they claim stole their land……
All reserves should be closed down and the aboriginal people can live like average Canadians. No more hand-outs, no more money (millions & millions), no more freebies, no more paying less taxes, no more silver spoon in their mouths! Get a job and support themselves as we do and not rely on the state to mollycoddle them through life!
I thought a little background was needed for the “International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State”.
This organization was established on June 15, 2010 by Kevin Annett, a defrocked United Church of Canada Minister. I have copied their web address below so you can judge for yourselves how legitimate this organization is. On just one issue they want to arrest Queen Elizabeth and the Pope for crimes against humanity.
http://itccs.org/
Wow, Harry. Just wow.
Cornwall Harry is surely entitled to his racist opinion and could probably get away with spewing this bile over a beer with his red necked racist buds, who slap him on the back and agree with him, but I have to chastise you Jamie for giving voice to these blatant racist stereotypes he uses in his inane diatribe, based on what can only be called ignorant prejudice.
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You of all people Jamie, as a reporter and news editor, know that none of what Cornwall Harry said is even remotely related to the truth…..I thought this paper had thoughtful debate, but come on now reprinting racist remarks? I used to think that was below your standards of print journalism.
Shame on you!
Extraordinary claims…lets see the proof.
http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2011/06/14/harper-targeted-first-nations-for-increased-surveillance-fears-native-%E2%80%9Cunrest%E2%80%9D-newly-released-government-documents-show/
Harper targeted First Nations for increased surveillance, fears Native “unrest,” newly released government documents show
Money for housing on reserves slashed, money for surveillance of Natives increased
Indigenous Peoples Solidarity Movement Ottawa (IPSMO) – June 13, 2011
Newly exposed internal documents from Indian Affairs and the RCMP show that shortly after forming government in January of 2006, Prime Minister Stephen Harper had the federal government step up intelligence gathering on First Nations to anticipate and manage First Nations political action across Canada.
Information obtained by the First Nations Strategic Bulletin through Access to Information requests reveals that almost immediately upon Harper’s taking power in 2006, the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs Canada (INAC) was given the lead role to spy on First Nations. The goal was to identify the First Nation leaders, participants and outside supporters of First Nation occupations and protests, and to closely monitor their actions.
To accomplish this task, INAC established a “Hot Spot Reporting System.” These weekly reports highlight all those communities across the country that engage in direct action to protect their lands and communities. They include Tsartlip First Nation, the Algonquins of Barriere Lake, Six Nations, Grassy Narrows, the Likhts’amsiyu Clan of the Wet’suwet’en First Nation, Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory, and many more.
“Rather than listening to the needs of First Nations communities Harper is making plans to use force to stifle the dissent that inevitably arises from chronic poverty and dispossession in Native communities,” said Russell Diabo, Mohawk policy analyst, in response. “First Nations education and housing is chronically under-funded, but policing and surveillance of legitimate Indigenous movements is always a priority.”
The documents reveal that First Nations are a closely monitored population who are causing a panic at the highest levels of the Canadian government.
Says Gord Elliot of Tsartlip First Nation, “Obviously trust and good faith are expected when working with INAC, the RCMP and other agencies of the Government. We are outraged to discover these same Ministries are spying on us. We were identified as a ‘hotspot’ because we had a roadblock demonstration to voice our concerns about the Treaty process and non-acknowledgment of Section 35 Constitutional Rights and Title.
We felt we had no choice because the Canadian Government won’t acknowledge our Constitutionally protected Aboriginal Rights and Title.”
http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2011/06/14/harper-targeted-first-nations-for-increased-surveillance-fears-native-%E2%80%9Cunrest%E2%80%9D-newly-released-government-documents-show/
Democracy and freedom of speech have prices. I’m not defending what Cornwall Harry said, but I will defend his right to be wrong. What he stated was an opinion; not a statement of fact. There are too many people in this world trying far too hard to silence so many. When I read what you posted I thought someone would challenge what he said and combat that kind of thinking.
Surely one of you geniuses would point out that the land claims that most likely are never to be settled are at the root of the system that is in place in Canada. You see bobgeneric there was more of a reason to not allow your post than Harry’s, but as you can see yours is there too.
Our mandate. Our mission statement for CFN is to allow our soapbox to be shared by all viewpoints as long as they aren’t crossing litigious lines or are simply banal attacks. Those words shared by CH sadly are ones I’ve heard countless times. In this world it’s sometimes not who is right, but who screams the loudest and gets others to chime in.
Of course when you use a soapbox, as Cornwall Harry has you are open to rebuttal and tomatoes…..
“Money for housing on reserves slashed, money for surveillance of Natives increased.”
Gee that’s sort of like our white wash policy of opening prisons and dumbing down the students. Bridgette may see, the power of the streets but as far as I can see, power comes from the barrel of a gun. Tip from the Chairman.
Cornwall Harry, after you kick the natives of their land, maybe you could do us a favour by ending welfare and rounding up a few million pot users too. That way Sally and I could have a standing army within 60 days. July 11 would be a nice date for it. Sally and I are bored this summer and civil war might be a nice distraction.
Non natives or non aboriginals have faced sting operations and beefed up security for various crime issues and or concerns many times. Why in this case do we use race as an issue?… could the rest of Canadians call against the police hey I am an English speaking non aboriginal white hetero sexual individual and you are discriminating against me??….
Isn’t what the aboriginal people doing just as racist as what you accuse Harry of….all he is asking , somewhat crudely, is let the aboriginals live like the rest of us…you know in a system where we all pay for what we need and are taxed accordingly.
bobgeneric: You called me a number of things including “racist” but there was nothing racist in anything I said. If there were any “stereotypes” in my opinion then you have just proved it true. You are the true racist.
SS and SS: Unfortunately if there were a civil war it would be one-sided because there is no remuneration in it for the other side so they wouldn’t participate.
The Crown made a deal, Cornwall Harry. It was called the Jay Treaty of 1776 and after 1812 it was called, thank you for taking our side in the great war, which, I believe, is being reenacted shortly at Crysler’s Farm. Then we rewarded the natives with Residential Schools. I think there are about 2,000 open land claims, maybe more. Everyone should go see and hear the event at Crysler’s Farm. It might clean the wax out of the ears of those who have forgotten, those that never knew and those that never voted.
Sure Jamie and I agree, to a point, everyone is entitled to an “educated opinion” but Harry’s is based in a racial stereo type that sounds good to him and his ignorance.
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We all know that per capita there is greater poverty on the reserves than off but Harry asserts that somehow natives live a richer life style thanks due to the Canadian non-native tax payer.
Natives contribute 10s of billions in Revenue to the Canadian Fed/Prov governments, more than what the Government pays back to the reserve. Yet in his narrow view of the world we pay less taxes.
We have treaties in place to share resources, we have/had large tracts of land “held in trust” yet when non-natives enjoy wealth derived from the sharing it is economic prosperity yet when natives get “less” than their share it is called a “HANDOUT” or “FREEBIE”
The Indian Act places, by law an unfair advantage for economic development on reservations and it is the last land we can truly call our territory but Harry advocates taking this away as it is seen as our last stronghold and will solve the “Indian problem” once and for all.
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You Jamie, expect me or others to challenge Harry’s statements but why should we have to try and educate the ignorance of closed minded people like him.
I have time and again posted the links and made the arguments, why should it be up to me or others to change Harry’s opinion as it cannot be done…..
The only thing we can do is educate ourselves and base our own opinions in truth not negative racial stereotypes and not give voice to these perpetual negative prejudices.
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If you, Cornwall Harry, still don’t understand why I called your opinion racist, it is because your opinion stated stems from the racial stereotype of the “lazy non-contributing Native, that gets everything given to them on a silver platter”
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Harry I urge you to go and educate yourself on the history of my people and yours, the oppression, slavery, genocide and the Indian act, start there and then maybe you can form an honest educated opinion, one based on facts, truth and empathy.
Land claim issues aside, what hands-outs?
He also invoked the racial stereotype of the lazy Indian with his
One way that white privilege is maintained is through the construction of stereotypes of people of colour. Generally these stereotypes are different from ideas of a normal Canadian and depict negative images. Examples of this include those of Natives as alcoholics and lazy
““educated opinion”” That’s a bomb. How do you define that? My expectation is never to change a partisan. You’re right; Harry will not likely change his opinion, but by allowing his statement it allows for dialog for those viewers who are open to discussion; dialog, and learning, and maybe, just maybe, helping make the world a better place.
I know that may sound a bit overly optimistic, but it’s how I feel. The only way to effect change in the world is to work with each other and accomplish things; and banishing or censoring in my “opinion” it makes you as bad as the person you may oppose.
Bottom line is that CH’s post sprung you into action and now we’ve exchanged some thoughts and opinions that other’s are reading and maybe discussing amongst their peeps.
An “educated opinion” is one based in fact not negative racial stereo types, rumours or what your pals repeat from their neighbours.
Before I give an opinion on something I put the time in to educate myself on the issues (both sides) research the facts and then base my opinion on truth and empathy.
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But Harry’s opinion as you well know is based purely on negative stereo type of the ‘lazy unemployed native sitting on the reserve getting free hand outs from the non-native tax payers of this country”
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But the “bottom line” is not that Harry’s post made me “spring into action” but I sprung into action not to debate or educate Harry but to chastise you from allowing that kind of post in what I regarded as a moderated “soap box” for thoughtful debate.
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You know what harry said is not the truth and was only posted for one of two reasons.
The first reason for his posted opinion could have been just pure racial ignorance, which is what I assumed it was and therefore found no need to try and educate the un-educatable other than to point out his comments (not him) were racist in nature.
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If Harry’s post was not out of ignorance than he posted it purely to be inflammatory and his motivation then would be from misplaced hate or disgust against FN people at his perceived injustice/imbalance of rights and money towards non-natives.
There is no denying the racial stereo type that Harry’s post is based on if he said it out of hate (very hard to prove) then it is hate speech and that is illegal in this country. Freedom of speech we have, but you can’t just make inflammatory racial comments.
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I never asked you to remove Harry’s post nor would I want to as it perfectly show cases the racism that is alive and well in the Cornwall community as I have experienced it face to face and with others that have posted here and at the freeholder. It seems all like to deny this racism exists and then accuse me of playing the race card.
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No Jamie we shouldn’t stop debate or discussion……but on the other side neither should we tolerate blatant racist remarks nor amplify their voice.
Bobgeneric
I thought the Jay Treaty was in 1794, not 1776 which was the American Civil war?
The treaty you are speaking of was for trade and commerce only.
“The Jay Treaty is not a Treaty with Aboriginal Peoples and it is not a Treaty which gives border crossing rights to First Nations People. It is however a Treaty which confirms those rights and which adds to the constitutional protection of those rights. It also does not create the range of Aboriginal Rights that have been exercised since its signing”
It has noting to do with land claims and even has limitations to what can be carried across the borders
“No duty of entry shall ever be levied by either party on peltries brought by land or inland navigation into the said territories respectively, nor shall the Indians passing or repassing with their own proper goods and effects of whatever nature, pay for the same any impost or duty whatever.
But goods in bales, or other large packages, unusual among Indians, shall not be considered as goods belonging bona fide to Indians”
Quote your beliefs but make sure thet are fully based on facts
Smee, I am well aware to what is and is not in the Jay treaty and what year it was penned. As I said before to Admin and say to you now, my “beliefs” (opinions) as you say when quoted are firmly rooted in fact.
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Maybe you should direct your comments to Roy Berger who is the author of the post you chose to chastise me for.
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What I find curious Mr. Smee is that you choose to correct me on the date of the Jay treaty (even though the post was not mine) yet you did not post a correction to Cornwall Harry on his mistakes that Natives: don’t work, don’t pay taxes and all have silver spoons in our mouths.
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Next time you want to chastise me, go ahead and “Quote your beliefs but make sure that they are fully based on facts”.
@ bobgeneric…. Have you ever rowed a boat?
Frutz, well I rode in a boat on many occasions and have paddled lots of canoes…..does that count??
@ bobgeneric. No that doesn’t count. Have you ever seen someone row a boat, or know someone who has rowed a boat? I’m just asking because smee will argue until the Second Coming of Christ that there is no such thing as a rowboat and no one can, or ever has, rowed a boat. I have offered to supply smee with an extra oar so he can have two in the water, but so far, he has declined my offer.
Sorry Bob I stand corrected.
As for your facts can youplease show us where you obtained them
Furtz
thank you once an idiot always an idiot
bobgeneric, is my face ever blushing. The Jay Treaty was from 1794 not from 1776. I got that date wrong. Thanks for everything you said here. I don’t think it was a waste of your time.
Smee said, “As for your facts can you please show us where you obtained them”
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Smee, I have to ask, as your request is confusing me, to which of my facts are you referring?
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Are you questioning me on my statement of fact that “lazy unemployed native sitting on the reserve getting free hand outs from the non-native tax payers of this country” is a negative derogatory racial stereo type not based in any truth what so ever, or the fact by invoking this stereo type as Harry did in his above post makes his statement racist?
Roy no need to be red faced just because you got the date mixed up, the year that the treaty was signed is irreverent.
It is the purpose of the treaty that is important, which was to address the violence in the Ohio valley over land rights (Natives loyal to the crown), protect trade between the Natives of the Mississippi Valley and Montreal based fur traders and in effect prevent a War between the US and Great Britain.
Smee’s explanation that the treaty was for trade and commerce is a little simplistic as the purpose of any treaty is to avoid conflict/war.
Bob
What section of the Jay treaty mentions anything relating to addressing the violence in the Ohio valley over land rights (Natives loyal to the crown).
Smee, you could easily look that up yourself? Do your own homework and read the whole treaty not just the two sections everyone refers to and then come and question me.
You claimed “The treaty you are speaking of was for trade and commerce only,” and as I said it was a little simplistic in explanation on the reasoning to why the Jay treaty was put in place.
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From the Canadian Encyclopedia
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0004114
This primarily commercial agreement was intended to settle disputes which threatened war, such as British retention of frontier posts in American territory after the Treaty of PARIS (1783), American-Indian disputes over the Ohio Valley, and American anger over British seizure of shipping.
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http://what-when-how.com/the-american-economy/jays-treaty-1796/
Although the Treaty of 1783 had ended the American Revolution and secured the independence of the United States, serious issues remained unresolved between Britain and the new nation, particularly those regarding the status of American shipping, British presence in the old northwest forts in the Ohio Valley, and the commercial relationship between Britain and its former colony. As the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars loomed in Europe, President George Washington sent Chief Justice John Jay to London as a special envoy to negotiate a treaty with William Grenville, the British foreign secretary (1791-1801) and son of former prime minister George Grenville. The resulting agreement, Jay’s Treaty, called for the British to evacuate the forts within two years, provided for commissions made up of both American and British members to decide matters of debts resulting from confiscations and destruction during the Revolutionary War and between American and British merchants, and allowed for criminal extradition between the two nations.
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The same is also referenced in “The Enduring Vision: A History of the American People”; Diplomacy and War 1793-1796
http://books.google.ca/books?id=HECjHlfLaxAC&pg=PA156&lpg=PA156&dq=Jay+treaty+ohio+valley&source=bl&ots=VQy-wKjxp2&sig=zNifXPx3jZ0uYT3HInDGicXuzFg&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Censor, are you saying that the government is funding Reserve Chiefs who fund an element of the RCMP towards ongoing murder of aboriginal people across Canada ?
I would like to see the evidence on that…….
smee, this makes my day – “could the rest of Canadians call against the police hey I am an English speaking non aboriginal white hetero sexual individual and you are discriminating against me??….
Isn’t what the aboriginal people doing just as racist as what you accuse Harry of….all he is asking , somewhat crudely, is let the aboriginals live like the rest of us…you know in a system where we all pay for what we need and are taxed accordingly.”
It’s an extraordinary claim, Eric. They claim they will provide the extraordinary evidence in September. I won’t do the homework for you.
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As for natives living like everyone else…look what happens when middle class white people drink in Vancouver – they burn down their own city and trash it. Now they will stand there with their hand out expecting some of my tax money to foot their drunken bill of destruction. I don’t know why white people are allowed alcohol. Or should they be squeezing out bastard puppies every five years like they do cause they’re too lazy to work? Drunk, lazy, whites looking for a hand out. I saw one once, they’re all the same. The white schools brag about a 30% illiteracy rate. You ever look in the mirror?
No need for homework, I can wait for September first to read the “evidence”. I did look up the leader of the ITCCS though, who is not allowed into England, banned from a coop radio station in BC and on the discontinued service list of the United Church. He was beaten a couple of years ago for helping an ex sex trade worker retrieve items from an apartment. The “manager” was one of the 2 thugs.
Anyway, the Ontario Premier says 85% of Ontario students are graduating high school now, that is 15 % not the 30 you list.
Have you ever been to the National Arts Center in Ottawa? It gets about 10 million a year from the federal govenment, so thank you for providing some of your tax money to a good cause.
Notice how I attacked the issues instead of the person, the ITCCS should do that.
Eric said, “Isn’t what the aboriginal people doing just as racist as what you accuse Harry of….all he is asking , somewhat crudely, is let the aboriginals live like the rest of us…you know in a system where we all pay for what we need and are taxed accordingly.”
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Harry was more than crude he invoked a racial stereotype to inflame or incite.
Exactly what are aboriginal people doing that is “just as racist”?
The Federal government has put the “system” we operate under in place…..if you think it is unfair or unequal ….may I suggest you petition the government for change as my people do.