CFN – Members and supporters of the local newly re-branded Language Fairness for All – LFA group were joined by members of the Ottawa based umbrella group Canadians for Language Fairness outside of the Chesterville Legion this Wednesday evening. . The delegation was there in anticipation of an opportunity to bring their cause before James Moore, Minister of Canadian Heritage and Official Languages, who would deliver the keynote address to Conservative supporters at the $50 per plate fundraiser dinner about to take place inside and hosted by Stormont, Dundas and South Glengarry Member of Parliament Guy Lauzon. Upon his arrival, North Dundas Mayor, Eric Duncan, was approached by CLF president Chris Cameron and continued to be engaged 
while our camera was rolling. He told Cameron that: “it’s a free country and you have every right to be here.” When asked by Cameron if he feels that the percentage of bilingual service should be in accord with language demographics, Duncan agreed that is the democratic way. In spite of Cameron’s assertion that 80% of the population is being discriminated against, Duncan was adamant that he saw no issue with Cornwall Community Hospital’s interpretation and application of the provincial French Language Services Act, saying: “I’m satisfied with what we have now and how it works out.” Cameron inquired if Duncan is comfortable with the Health Unit being 100% bilingual, to which Duncan responded: “I don’t know about the Health Unit in that regard.” Some members of the local Richelieu Club arrived for the official function in order to hear the minister speak. On the way in, Jean Lecompte, president of the La Société pour la Promotion du Bilinguisme (Society for the Promotion of Bilingualism), sporting his signature bilingualism pin, asked if he could join the LFA/CLF delegation and was greeted warmly. He then attempted to turn the event into his own personal press conference and opportunity to enlighten the group, until eventually bidded “Au revoir.” 
Lecompte’s rhetoric included asking the group if they’d taken any (mandatory or otherwise) French classes in grade school and insisted that this makes them and all Ontarians officially bilingual (whether or not they can communicate effectively in French). The group wasn’t buying it and pointed out that bilingualism has one meaning when funding is being sought by special interest groups and another meaning when people are being blocked from jobs for which they are otherwise well-qualified. At various times during the interaction, Lecompte said that he agreed with the protesters that the situation is not right and not fair, yet he continues to advocate for bilingualism. CCH nurse Darlene Walsh, who’s been passed over for promotions for not being sufficiently bilingual demanded of Lecompte:
“Tell me, sir, if you fall down right now with a heart attack, do I have to speak French to save your life?” His response: “you do.”
M.P. Guy Lauzon initially circumvented the delegation by slipping in a side door just ahead of Chris Cameron, declining to respond to Cameron’s request to talk. Just prior to the minister’s arrival, members of the delegation were given access to the building to use the Legion washrooms. On the way back to the parking lot, Cameron and CFN’s Don Smith crossed paths with Lauzon just inside the building. With the camera rolling Lauzon was very hospitable, greeting both men with a smile and handshake and agreeing to speak briefly on camera. The conversation was cut short with the announcement that Minister Moore had arrived and was in the parking lot. According to reports from those in attendance and consistent with a demonstration which began earlier, when Minister Moore arrived, he was greeted by protesters dressed in black, carrying a makeshift coffin declaring the death of democracy and some two dozen protesters carrying signs declaring that forced bilingualism is divisive, discriminatory, and demanding that hiring policies should be based on merit, not on language. . One of the protesters cried out: “Canada is in distress” while carrying an upside down Canada flag as a statement of how inverted language policy has become in this nation. Reportedly as Moore exited his car, he was confronted with a demand to know why he and the Commissioner of Official Languages, Graham Fraser, had not accepted requests to meet with CLF previously. No explanation was offered.
As we returned to the protest outside, Moore was already in dialogue with members of the delegation. Moore told the assembly that:
“Everybody should have the same rights and opportunities across the board.” He went on to add that: “The issue of language policy is not meant to be a barrier to the citizens themselves.” The crowd quickly enlightened him that it is indeed a huge barrier, citing numerous examples. Later the minister acknowledged: “I understand how divisive language policy is and how frustrating it can be on all sides and in all parts of the country and that’s not what language policy should be about.”
Some members of the group called for a Canada-wide referendum on language policy. Although not at all outwardly hostile towards the crowd, it was clear that the minister was unprepared to address a delegation. In the midst of heated dialogue, Lauzon calmly advised the crowd that moments earlier he’d suggested that he and Cameron meet privately at another time to address and resolve concerns. Lauzon extended the offer to Minister Moore, who agreed to meet with representatives of both the CLF and the local LFA group in Ottawa. Business cards were exchanged with a promise to meet in the coming weeks while the House is still sitting.
so according to some, we have spent trillions for bilingualism. Ok, lets look at the truth, using their figures, it costs 2.1 billion a year. So 2.1 billion, ok, official bilingualism has started in 1982, so 2.1 billion times 30 years equals …trillions. Wow. we don’t have a language problem, we have a math problem..
Patrick Cornwall stats 20% -stats can.So tellus why the Hospital hires are at 50%,health unit 100% what justifies these numbers !!
Courts at about 60% as well ,the list goes on!
It comes down to this OPPRESSION HIRING INEQUALITY
admin, i don’t believe you. In Cornwall you can be served in english in every medical clinic. I’m trying to be respectful here but, with this all out lie, some might believe you…
REPRESENTATION BY POPULATION -THAT IS FAIR AND EQUITABLE
Patrick you’re spinning. I clearly said you’d be served in the clinic in English. The hitch is that they won’t accept you as a patient if you’re English or can’t speak French.
So, patrick, how many positions in hospitals we need in order to serve local Tamils, Mohawks, Hindu, Hungarians, Polish, and other ethnic communities “in stressful situations…served in own language while experiencing chest pains”?
Do you thinks your French chest pain is more painful? Your stupid arrogance gives a bad name to a francophone community.
REPRESENTATION BY POPULATION -NOW THAT WOULD BE A DEMOCRACYAS WELL AS EQUITABLE.
So, patrick, how many positions in hospitals we need in order to serve local Tamils, Mohawks, Hindu, Hungarians, Polish, and other ethnic communities “in stressful situations…served in own language while experiencing chest pains”?
Do you thinks your French chest pain is more painful? Your arrogance gives a bad name to a francophone community.
So the government says this area has to offer services to its minorities…lets do away with all that and just offer services that pleases the majority… the white anglo saxon… White anglo schools, white anglo hospitals, white anglo streets, maybe at the galaxy we need to have white anglo seats… …
Cornwall clinic bars anglophone patients
An English-speaking Cornwall-area woman intends to complain to the Ontario Human Rights Commission after being refused treatment at a Cornwall francophone health centre.
By The Ottawa Citizen February 24, 2006
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/city/story.html?id=a23e725e-a7e8-4f3c-939e-2d20a5463f3a
“The french …. with the ultimate idea of bastardising the english race which they hate and thus lowering its cultural and political level so that the french might dominate.”
“The French youth lies in wait for hours on end…spying on the unsuspicious english girl he plans to seduce…..he wants to contaminate her blood and remove her from the bosom of her own people. The french hates the english race and wants to lower its cultural level so that the french might dominate.”
now this is taken from what book I wonder ??
Patrick to you is this about being served in your language or social engineering. If it’s the latter perhaps you should rethink your strategy or propaganda?
THIS IS ABOUT JOB EQUITY AND FAIRNESS
MANY CULTURES IN THIS COUNTRY,WE NEED TO RESPECT ALL IN THAT THEY ALL HAVE RQUAL RIGHTS TO THOSE JOBS.
The numbers don’t lie :assimilation of Francophones is too slow
In a recent article in the Saint John Telegraph-Journal, June 09, 2012, Jean Marie Nadeau , the current President of the New Brunswick Acadian Society, made several interesting comments.
The first, “…the assimilation rate of Francophones is over 50 per cent in most Canadian provinces. The numbers don’t lie. Even in New Brunswick, the only officially bilingual province in Canada, the assimilation rate has risen two percentage points in recent years, and Montreal is becoming increasingly anglicized.”
This means that Canadian Anglos have to work harder to assimilate the French among us. We have been too lenient and this needs to stop.
The fact that in New Brunswick, the assimilation rate has risen only two percentage points in recent years is no reason to celebrate, we can do more. We must do more.
His other comment that “..Only 7.6 per cent of Anglo-Canadians outside of Quebec speak French..” is proof that Official Bilingualism has been an expensive failure and must be stopped as quickly as possible to divert that money to more urgent uses, ie health care and education.
Hopefully the protests against language discrimination that are occurring in New Brunswick and Ontario will spread across the nation in such intensity that they can not be ignored by the Government.
I made some personal inquiries with the French Clinic last week. They will only provide service to you if you can converse with the attending Doctor in French.
show anyone , any time , anywhere where it says FLSA stops any other minority group feom expressing their needs too!!! I dare ya silent majority2 or chris cameron???!!that is not the intention yoy are all afraid of other groups gaining jobs and respect.. end of story!
No, democracy is not dead in Canada ,but it still has not fully awakened from the trance it has been in since it fell under the spell of Trudeaumania in the 60’s.
Any attempt to break free has been met with that phrase..”Only my voice matters now, what it says is true and you are unable to resist. Canada is now a bilingual country and you are very happy “.
Well despite this power of illusion, Canadians are waking up to just what has been done to them and by whom. Not all at once sadly but very slowly and surely.
The big lie of equality has been exposed for the fraud that it has been. No equality, no unity , only massive waste of billions of dollars to placate an ungrateful minority.
We have seen ‘all Canadians are equal’ turn into Orwell’s ‘some Canadians are MORE equal than others.’
société professionnelle
glad to see there are a few french words in this ¨news¨ site… I guess admin will be on the phone tomorrow asking it be changed. i wonder if he had to hire a bilingual news reporter to do the translation.
democracy is not dead…its just that some have a distorted view of what democracy should be… its not please the majority at all cost. Bill Cosby ounce said, the key to success is not trying to please everyone.. I think Canada has done pretty well so far….and can only do better with rights protected under the Constitution..
Now i sympathize with some that haven’t made the effort of learning a second language. And if you dont want to learn it SO BE IT…but then don’t cry discrimination if being bilingual is one of the requirements of a job …and you can’t fulfill that requirement.
Actually Richard we had a French Columnist; David Gregoire. We could not land a single client to help support his work. There was no business support for CFN offering French content.
Sometimes my friend you have to look in the mirror instead of attacking others.
@ Patrick Boucher:
This 2.4 Billion is a very conservative estimate.
I believe Jim Allan’s figures myself.
The total cost of Canada’s Official Bilingualism under its 1969 Official Languages Act, to March 31, 2010, covering 41 years, is estimated by him to be $1,169,000,000,000.That’s Canadian dollars.
That is either $1,169 billion. Or $1.169 trillion! Which is approximately $1.2 trillion, if one can believe it! And increasing at the rate of roughly another $19 billion each year!
I wouldnt know, i never read CFN I see you have no problem taking money from Madame Cardinal or Pommier. A shame though, CFN being so biased against french speaking bilingual canadians. And to take the time by posting and promoting hateful propaganda on the site… i can look at myself in the mirror and see an honorable man….from what I read on CFN, I don’t think you can say the same…
Richard is there some reason you’re slurring CFN? You’ve been graciously given space on our soap box to voice your opinion. You have not been edited. Is just disagreeing with you mean that someone is “against” something.
Very sad; very disrespectful, and very hurtful.
Shame on you sir. If you can’t defend a position without attacking someone personally it usually means you don’t have much of a position.
Mr.Tremblay ,
It is obvious you seem not to play well with others -were you the bully in the playground?
You seem to make this a English against french thing of which it is not!!!
The issue is Job equity for all persons ,as obvious there is a requirement for french services .
The question is what required percentage of hires to provide french? Equivalent to representation within that community?
Merit should always be considered first -the best qualified individual
to do otherwise would truly not benefit the community,but only a few in interest groups .
ALL LANGUAGES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AN ASSET-the more the better !
A litte harsh Monsieur Tremblay but, I understand your passion. Mister Monkton again, these figures seem false. Even at 2.4 billion after 41 years isnt it roughly 86 billion. Which granted is alot of money but it doesn’t come close to the trillion dollar figure your alleging. And the 2.4 billion is todays figure, of which I am sure didnt cost that much in 1969.
Imagine if we could add up the benefits bilinguasm gave us. If we deal just on economics, there is roughly 400 million people throughout the world that can converse in french, or that are francophone.
(According to the O.I.F.) Imagine if they’d all decide to not purchase anything comming from Canada.
Now I’m not saying that if we deal with Japan we have to learn Japaneese. But since French is part of our history and culture, we owe it to ourselves to at least make an effort. I made an effort to learn english, and it benefited me a great deal. To limit yourself to just one language, one culture is just plain wrong. So is just trying to please the majority without respecting the rights of the minorities.
Mr Jim S. Allan,a respected financial researcher, wrote this article Nov.19,2010;
CANADA’S NIGHTMARE. ITS 1969 OFFICIAL LANGUAGES ACT
By Jim S. Allan
The total cost of Canada’s Official Bilingualism under its 1969 Official
Languages Act, to March 31, 2010, covering 41 years, is estimated by me, to be
$1,169,000,000,000. That’s Canadian dollars.
That is either $1,169 billion. Or $1,169 trillion! Which is approximately $1.2 trillion, if one can
believe it! And increasing at the rate of roughly another $19 billion each year!
Three others: Scott Reid, MP; the Canadian Taxpayer Federation; and The Fraser Institute; have
also estimated the federal costs only. To the extent their work covers federal government costs only,
their findings all exceed my estimate for those same federal government costs by about 3 times.
Assuming all other factors to be equivalent, their total costs could come out to be about 3 times higher
than my total costs (for federal, plus provincial, plus private sector, total costs)!
3 times my $1,169,000,000,000 comes to $3,507,000,000,000
or $3,507 billion, or $3,507 trillion!
Per our Canadian Census statistics in 1986, only 16.86% of Canadians were bilingual at that time
(self assessed, English and French).
In 2006, 20 years later, only 17.44% of Canadians were bilingual (self assessed, English and
French).
That is only a .58% improvement (or only just over half of one percent) for an estimated cost by me
(likely to be too low compared with other estimates, per above) of $1,169 billion Canadian, over either
20 years or 41 years, depending on how you look at it. (I do not know what the bilingual percentage
was in 1969.)
Question: What have we, the Canadian people, got for my estimated $1,169 billion (or $1,169
trillion), and this divisive, inequitable, 1969 official bilingualism policy that discriminates against the
majority unilingual speaking Canadians, whether they be English-speaking or French-speaking, a
majority of some 83%?
Or, to rephrase the question
Could not that money have been better spent on the, for many years, insufficiently funded:
Reduction to global warming?
Reduced waiting times and unsustainable Healthcare?
Declines in Pension equities?
Inadequate National Security?
Underfunded Military?
Underfunded Police?
The problem of Homelessness?
Deteriorating municipal infrastructure?
Etc.
Furthermore:
If control of Canada, under Section 20 (1) of the 1982 CANADIAN CHARTER OF
RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS (so called) lies indirectly only with the 17% officially bilinguals,
most of whom come from the province of Quebec, and the definition of DEMOCRACY
requires government by the people; and, per above, in effect, 83% of the Canadian
people are excluded in practice from participating in effective control of their own
federal government of Canada; is Canada a democracy?
Patrick Boucher our largest trading parter is the unilingual English and some Spanish USofA, 1.1 billion per day and about 300 million in population. Any idea what the economic numbers are for business with the 400 million worldwide French speakers? Is it just trade from Quebec or more lopsided with trade only going one way? Where do you get the 400 million number from? May not be overly accurate, but wikipedia does not even have French in the top 10 and well under 400 million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers
The cost is very hard to nail down. Ontario tells us 5.5 million for a Francophone Ministry, the Fraser Institute tells us the cost is over 620 million and the Ontario Finance Ministry lists 1.4 billion for French schools alone. There is alot of duplication that takes money out of the system that can help all of us.
@ERIc
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_des_francophones_dans_le_monmonde
jim allan has been disputed more then ounce, ill give you just an example. If you believe Allans figures it means that 36% of all the education budget goes for teaching a second language.
This is an article of the benefits of bilingualiism and how its worth it…
http://article.wn.com/view/2012/02/09/Linguistique_Le_bilinguisme_est_bon_pour_le_cerveau_des_enfa/
Seriously Patrick, of what is use is an article on ” the benefits of bilingualiism and how its worth it…” to the majority of Anglophones who can’t get a job?
After 40 years, bilingualism has been proven to benefit francophones over Anglophones.
Any decent and honest person will admit that it is unfair.
Quebec practises linguistic genocide and aparthied.
The french in New Brunswick want duality in everything and recognitation as a Acadian Nation.
To quote from Stephen Harper from 2001..
“In those days,the promise was that bilingualism would lead to a new country–more united,more fair, truly bilingual.
It didn’t work.
In fact,Canadians aren’t much more bilingual today than they were back then.
According to the 1996 census, for example,the proportion of Canadians who are English-French bilingual is 17%.
But,as far back as 1951,long before we had heard of Trudeau,that number was well over 12%.
Even this puny growth in official bilingualism ( at enormous long-term federal expense) is doubtless exaggerated.
Many anglophones especially have pursued immersion programs and are thus encouraged to consider themselves bilingual.
But with no deep economical, social or cultural reason to master and maintain the French language, the skill simply atrophies.
This is not a negative comment on the quality of French immersion teaching or the earnestness of the taught.
It is simply difficult –extraordinarily difficult–for someone to become bilingual in a country that is not.”
@robert
– If Québec practices genocide then i clearly have to look in the dictionary and see what it means again. Have you been to the west island of montreal, kirkland, pointe claire… If genocide means that the minority anglos get colleges, universities in their own language…then I wish Ontario would practice it here. We have no french university in Ontario. YOu could be in Shawiningan and still here some english being spoken..
If some anglos have been in immersion programs and they can’t speak fluent french I’ll agree with you its a problem. But the solution is not to cancel the programs but to improve them. If my 6 year old can learn english then my fourty year old unilingual neighbour could certainly learn french.
Pointe Claire…lets see now….hmmmmm
This Point-Claire ?
POINTE-CLAIRE — English-speaking residents at a West Island seniors’ home are angry and frustrated after a crackdown by the language police meant they could no longer post bilingual signs on a bulletin board.
May. 22 2012
Big Time FAIL Pareick
@patrick, you need to learn English, we do not need to learn French. As Stephen Harper said, there is “no deep economical, social or cultural reason to master and maintain the French language” in English Canada.
As for English universities in Quebec, at the time of Confederation Anglos comprised 64% of Quebec population. Anglos essentially built Quebec. That’s why Quebec was the only bilingual province of Canada under the BNA Act. The Act gave right to use English and French in the Parliament of Canada, the Legislature of Quebec, the courts in the province of Quebec, and the federal courts.
Even today, Anglos comprise 13% of Quebec population (first official language). In Ontario, however, francophones are under 4%. And still they have 9 French language and Bilingual universities (http://www.tcu.gov.on.ca/pepg/audiences/universities/univers.html ).
Cry me a river.
Patrick, get a map. Shawinigan is in Canada, not in France; of course “some english being spoken” over there.
Francos have no numbers to warrant a French university in Ontario. Even with most francophone students at Ottawa U being from Quebec, programs in French have 5-10 students per class, while programs in English are grossly overcrowded with 50-100 students per class.
“If my 6 year old can learn english then my 40 year old unilingual neighbour could certainly learn french”…lol…
Patrick, you have a logic of an idiot.
I agree with the policies of the language police. They can post bilingual signs its just that in french it has to be bigger and first on a sign. The anglo population in Pointe claire continue to flourish… you can even live Pointe claire Québec without even speaking french.
Pavel,
Stephen harper learned french, and if you wanted to find a job in designated areas according to the government, you need to learn french as well. Just one quick note pavel, look up regulation 17 and see how well the french have been treated in Ontario.
Laura, YOu obviously have never been to Ottawa U. There is no such thing as 100 student class unless your in Law. My classes in French, sociology, history comprised of 40 to 50 students. And, they were all in french….not all from Québec.
It is so important to keep talking about this subject. I agree there was an unfairness back before 1910 and along the way things were altered. 83 years ago Women were “granted” person status even. Now, a few policies and Acts have created a huge swing past what is needed.
Demand that your MPP have the Ontario French Language Services Act reviewed, and demand your MP review the Official Languages Act. They have become beyond fairness and needlessly expensive. French services in a resonable time format is acceptable and increasingly only providing jobs to bilingual has proven to be a failed experiment.
Patrick Boucher, is Ottawa U still providing double credit for some classes taken in French, criminolgy for example? If I was hiring someone, I would prefer a BSc degree holder that passed 30 classes not 28, as a subject expert is probably more useful in business.
If I had a Quebec and an Ontario high school graduate applying for a job, the Ontario student would have gone to grade 12, Quebec only grade 11.
We can all get along, just allow French to progress naturally and get the government and expensive Francophone associations out of it while we still have money for health care, roads etc.
perhaps havong to pass 30 courses instead of 28 courses is one of the reasons for tuition hikes and student debt? if a job candidate is better qualified at 28 despite a language difference why do yoy presume he is less meritorious of the degree? you Eric are implying that french trianed personel are not deserving of the carreers they have been educated in!.. inherent bias is not a good measuring stick of social and professionnal choices
there is that sentiment again ABOLISH….a whole equal cuture and language because some one does not like it..
Ontario students pay 32% of the actual cost of higher education and Quebec students about 17%. With Professors teaching only 40% of the time, we need 2.5 of them, how much extra does that cost towards increases in tuition?
I think it was clear, do you want a bilingual person that knows some of the subject, or a unilingual that knows more about the subject! That could be French, Spanish, Chinese or as needed in 97% of the Ontario business community, English.
Review and abolish is not the same thing. Processes were in place to allow more French people to get jobs and those processes have not been reviewed for effectiveness during the 42 years of the OFL.
If the educational system is lacking in any other aspect,why are the LFA so upset that these graduates are so successful? It evens the field of communication and development.. there are always 2 sides to a story (or more if you allow for other cultures on an even playing field)…No Eric it is not merely because they are granted a one or two”free class pass” it is because they are well trianed too! And have earned their diploma…Any deficits in schooling especially when it comes to healthcare would be obvious right from the start .So No I don`t buy your attempt to criticize a well trained group of professionals because yoiu think they got a “free pass” to some classes,,, that`s the problem with LFA they don`t see all sides of the stories..
The problem is not that francophone professionals are hired, like at CCH, for instance. The problem is that they are hired disproportionately (50%) to their local population numbers (24%), at the expense of majority of professional anglophones.
Another issue that enrage local anglos is unequal standard of language skills required to get hired at CCH – lower for francos and much higher for anglos. It’s outrageous that francos’ appraisal of English language deems sufficient at job interview, while anglos are sent to Ottawa to language school/agency to undergo a high level test in the French language.
Anglos see that their concerns and complaints are ignored or outright dismissed, that ideology of bilingualism replaced reality, common sense and practicality. Insulted and humiliated, many are calling for outright abolishing of FLSA and OLA to end insidious discrimination and assault on their dignity. I am with them.
New Brunswick Acadian Society targets Freedom of The Press
“The SANB delegates and members gathered in Campbellton gave their board of directors the mandate to get involved in a number of issues by adopting 17 resolutions.
The Times &Transcript’s editorial positions on duality in health care and on a proposed breast cancer excellence centre to be housed at the Dr. Georges-L. Dumont University Hospital Centre in Moncton were targeted by one of those resolutions. Some members argued that articles, editorials and a cartoon published in the last few weeks were full of falsehoods and subjective information. They also said they believed some editorial comments were discriminatory and “francophobe”.
The general assembly agreed to publicly denounce the perceived injustices and seek a formal apology from Brunswick News and the Times &Transcript. A complaint will be forwarded to the New Brunswick Human Rights Commission and to journalism associations.”
The Times – Transcript,Moncton, N.B., 12 June 2012:
Think of a hockey game where team X is called 28 courses, and team Y is called 30 courses and the winner gets a job.
Team X knows a tiny bit less about the game and ends the game with a score of 3 to team Y’s 4 points. Under current legislation and future bills already in the house, they win the job.
The language over merit idea needs to sit in the penalty box for a few minutes.
First off, saying that francophones are given two for one credits at a Ottawa U is a lie. Everything is expensive, car insurance is expensive, gaz is expensive, groceries are expensive, heating is expensive, and providing services in both official languages to minorities doesnt come cheap. Not as much as some might think, but it is in the millions. Saying French proficiency test are harder then english tests might be true. And if you dont make an effort to use the french language it makes it even harder. The french language is a difficult language to learn but it wasnt impossible for the queen, william and kate, Stephen Harper to learn… Heck even Preston Manning was able to say a few words during the leaders debate.
Secondly, You can’t hire on percentage alone, especially in a hospital. I still can’t get around the fact that french language courses are available for anglos from grade 3 to grade 12, why Oh why after 9 years aren’t some capable of holding a conversation in french is beyond me..
With U of O you can take french classes in several subject areas and are followed by a 90 minute French explanation class. It really is close to the workload of 2 classes, however, it counts toward your degree course total Patrick.
In the first 2 years you can also take up to 8 classes and have the grade counted as satisfactory or not satisfactory. It does not affect your grade point average, which really, could make your grades look better than they really are!
We would save billions if we were to educate the very few French only citizens to a workable level in English and maybe perhaps, help English kids learn to read a French menu or ask for directions.
This is such B.S. I did two bachelor degrees at Ottawa U. My sisters, cousins, several close friends of mine all have post secondary degrees from Ottawa U. Never heard of that eric..
What it seems like your talking about is the major class with the full time teacher and then another class with a T.A. This so called explanation class is given by T.A. who are are graduate students. So in a sense that is two classes. They have that in english as well because in english and french the first two years of University the classes are full. (in social sciences my classes varied from 40 to 50 students sometimes more)
¨Educate the few french students¨…are you promoting conformism. Should everyone speak the same language, maybe after that abolish all religions because churches dont pay taxes…. limiting the french language only feeds the flames of seperatism and in my opinion …is not the right thing to do.
Till then i’ll leave you with this
¨If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to his head. If you talk to him in his language, that goes to his heart.¨ (Nelson Mandela)
Again eric regardless of what team your playing on…if language is one of the requirements and you cant speak that language. You don’t deserve the job.
Yes, you can hire on percentage, patrick. It calls equitable participation. At CCH, there always has been someone on the shift who can speak French. Don’t be a bully. Hear me, madam Periard?
PATRICK-representation by population =DEMOCRACY
Therefore in Canada there is no democracy.
To provide french services with representation equal to
that of the community is acceptable but to go beyond that is discrimination to the majority!!!!
CCH-50%
Health unit 100%
post office 100%
courts min 60%
and the list goes on -all this for 20% of our community
4 % of ontario?
Thank god SIR that you are not a minority in Quebec -then you would first hand feel the wrath of Quebecois !!!