I understand that Ontario does not have an English Language Commissioner; perhaps this is an oversight as we have a French Language Services Commissioner only. We also do not have a Ministry of Anglophone Affairs or this item would have been noticed. At issue, is the recent French Language Services Commissioners report to the Ministry of Francophone Affairs. Link below.
The document shows Ontario government entities, agencies and various arms are being granted “designated status” under the French Language Services Act (FLSA), and on the surface appears there must be a need. In 2009, the Ministry of Francophone Affairs changed the definition of Francophone to include more people. This raised the percentage of Ontario’s Francophone community to 4.8% from 4.2% and the majority of that small percentage can also speak English, showing only a very few people who actually need service in French, but we continue to enshrine rights to meet the perception of needs being created. Most people would agree to help the people that need help of course.
Hamilton Ontario has become the 6th legal entity in Ontario to sign onto the FLSA. Ontario has 4 townships that have laws in place forcing a business to have bilingual signage. Russell Township had over 70% of the business community posting bilingual signs before the law, but that was not enough for a few people involved in pushing more French services. 5 French only clinics. However we do not have an increase in bilingual people in Ontario, so where are these workers coming from, and more importantly, where will English or French only speakers work to pay more and more taxes? Ontario lists over 97% of business operate in English and have for years.
With many dedicated government employees whose only job is to “assist” departments become more French, 25 designated zones, a dedicated French Language Commissioner going beyond the mandate of “monitoring the progress made by government departments” and more than 210 government institutions who have been actively approached and signed onto the FLSA, are getting special treatment since funding is GUARENTEED. During a time of constraint, should GUARENTEED funding be given? How fair is to all the Ontarians who are paying for this exercise? During a time when people are looking for jobs, the “bilingual” or French person will be given special treatment for employment so the institution can keep the designation. There is no such guarantee for, or are there, English only entities.
We need a discussion in this province and country on bilingualism! Some of the questions should revolve around actual need, actual numbers and costs involved with both taxpayer money and human related costs, soon! 254 admissible complaints for the Office of the French Language Services Commissioner, tells us that Francophone’s are not hard done by, but with guaranteed funding for French services, money from core services we have all come to expect could be at risk.
http://www.flsc.gov.on.ca/csf_report_en.html#complaints_received_in_2011-2012 See section 1.3.1 among others – Naturally, designation acts as a political and legal shield by providing quasi-constitutional protection against the potential reduction or discontinuation of programs and services.
Denis Hubert-Dutrisac, Sudbury
Eric Little – Ottawa Ontario
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Absolutely unacceptable!
This creeping of French along Quebec’s borders a hundred or so kilometres inside Ontario is already having negative affects!!!
As we can see, the budding of French only health clinics, the hiring of so-called bilingual candidates of social services and government offices within the Cornwall and area. (Quick checks would establish that the cars of these staff display a majority of Quebec licence plates) Unfair laws, OLA, FLSA, the unlawful display of signs in one’s language of choice………all of this presented in a fair and just court of law would result in convictions in moment’s notice of a French language Agenda!
The writing of said concerns by thousands of private citizens to their elected provincial/federal members of Parliament………all done with rarely a response from frightened, cowardly politicians.
Folks, we’re unfortunately headed towards a civil war if politicians keep ignoring the concerns of their constituencies!
Stay tuned, stay informed and stay vigilant!
This is reality t.v!!!
So democratic loving Canadians….keep your heads in the sand as you spend your evenings worrying about what’s REALLY important in your lives – like who’s going to win the latest Big Brother Challenge or if Charlie Sheen will make an appearance on Dancing with the Stars!!!!!
Keep being led to the Slaughterhouse!
Cory
Cory….civil war you say? That type of mentality is what makes people wonder about your group and your agenda.
You mention once again the french clinic. If they are not taking new patients, I guess one can say there is a need for french langauge services for the unilingual french people….which would prove to be the same for gov. jobs. If the clinic is filled to capacity that would indicate why gov. jobs would require french speaking people also…….same scenario.
Why should signage bother anyone? Does it affect you personally? You still get served in the language of your choice. If not, you can choose to go elsewhere but I can guarantee you that won’t happen. People with common sense will go where they like the service and the product. Having a problem with signage is an indication of animosity towards the french and a need to control.
Cory let me say this, most people are not too concerned about the language issue. It doesn’t keep them awake at night and it hasn’t taken over their life, they are moving on…..thinking you should all do the same. To become obsessed and stressed out over this issue is kind of ridiculous to say the least because in the end you will not gain a hell of alot. The gov. spending of our tax dollars will go where ever the gov. sees fit and there won’t be a d@mn thing you can do about it. So what, if they cut some of the funding towards french language….the bottom line is they will spend it anyhow and it won’t necessarily be to your advantage.
At 96 % majority in Ontario now that would be a colossal waste of money.
stella said:
Having a problem with signage is an indication of animosity towards the french and a need to control.
What about bill 101 in Quebec -should Ontario have its English bill 101?
Oh stella the french clinic went to court they were proven wrong to do that but continue to provide french only .
Yes stella much talk on the internet of possible civil war it depends on the political testicular fortitude ,of which there is very little .
Therefore violence may en-tale as populations feel they are discriminated against and choices are limited along with financial restrictions .
I wish not for civil war but the electronic pulse of the internet is a telling story!
But hear this, unless the political situation changes ,civil war is inevitable.
The media is neutered particularly the cbc as its just a political tool payed for by the taxpayer -they are more interested in how the rose garden is doing then dealing with actual news .
ERIC-
Another well informed letter valid point -We should have an English Commissioner and it should be funded to the tune of 624 million as the french language is in Ontario .
That french language commissioner report was very interesting digesting the 70 page report .
I liked the fact it stated that being designated “a highly significant political gesture ”
what about “allows agencies to benefit from legal and political protection”
It goes on people “A agency or program provides it supplier with legal immunity that protects it from changes in the economic and political climate ”
oh ya this to among many other statements -“Finally ,designation has the advantage of promoting budgetary stability”
One question …..If a government agency does not have designation are they truly protected by the government ?
Man it almost sounds like the Mafia doesn’t it -protecting those businesses if you join their organization.
Stella, question…If you read the bilingual sign before you entered the business would you expect then to be served in either language? Please answer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/opinion/sunday/the-benefits-of-bilingualism.html
So it’s OK for you to be concerned about language issue, but somehow it’s a bad thing if Cory does. You yourself are spending night and day in these forums, freaking out every time someone says something critical about this sick bilingualism policy.
It is indeed becoming a sick racist policy. Bilingual is not enough anymore apparently, so segregation ensued – 6 French only health clinics in Ontario today despite all clinics and hospitals are bilingual. Ontario franco zealots have an ultimate goal, though – completely separate health care on the basis of “LANGUAGE AND CULTURE”, as revealed by Ontario French language kommissar. “I recognize that major changes are required and that these changes will be GRADUAL”.
Notice how I wasn’t advocating civil war Stella but rather commenting that this issue will inevitably lead to civil war. Thought I’d correct you in one sentence this evening dear.
Nice try though in trying to peg me and LFA on something we don’t want though!
Say Stella, did you run for the PQ this election?
stellabystarlight, I doubt Cory or others have a problem with signage. The problem is being forced by government to do something that removes a freedom. A business already jumps hurdles because of the large amount of regulations in place now, and should have the right to promote it’s business in the manner that will cater to it’s customers. French and English may not always be the way to go, so they should be able to decide.
Of course many people are not stressed over language. They have not been impacted yet with the few negative aspects. People outside of Cornwall were not stressed about higher Ontario hydro bills, untill the new bill arrived!
Why are we not seeing letters to the editor by some of the French groups? Because it is more advantagous for THEIR cause to fly below the radar!
Highlander, you have seen beyond the present and into our future, unless changes are made.
Rosie…..the sign means nothing to me, I wouldn’t care if it was in Arabic. If I knew the service was good and the product was also, I would go and would get by in the language they spoke. When travelling outside the country, do people get by even though they don’t know the language ……you darn right they do. So why is signage a problem here? Some will find any excuse to find fault with anything french.
Eric…..you doubt Cory and others have a problem with signage? Perhaps you should read the article again. So tell me…..what freedom is removed? Freedom of speach? Nope…..you are still able to express yourself in the language of your choice. The signage is just that. People in the community know the business and whether the sign is in english, spanish or french……they go because of the service they get. Enough BS about the signage….it doesn’t change the business……only to your group.
Eric…..the french are a peaceful and loving culture, we don’t look for trouble, we mind our business and get by the best way we can through hard work and determination. We have nothing to prove to anyone and we certainly have no need to rebutt the letters to the editor. What purpose would it serve? You don’t have to look too far…..just read these blogs, then you will know why.
As for you Helga……what concern is it of your’s how much time I spend on the net? Let me reassure you that the language issue doesn’t concern me whatsover. It’s what you are trying to do to a once peaceful nation, the name calling and bashing of my culture that is disturbing. The hatred shown towards us is disgusting.
Thanks Eric ,it scares me so…… Through hatred from alienation, acts of desperation breeds violence and Humanity is lost !
stella, it my understanding the Russell Township sign bylaw, must have English and French only on signage. No other languages! The freedom of expression from our Charter of Rights & Freedoms is infringed and has been removed from citizens who own a business. They should be fighting back.
Within recent memory, there have been more demostrations in Quebec than all of the other provinces together, but I will agree that per capita, English and French are peaceful and loving cultures. Seems to me though, your rights stop when they interfer with mine and visa versa.
I believe there is need for Francophones to rebutt letters. Commuincation will ease fears and increase the understanding on both sides.
Thanks Eric!
You wrote:
“stellabystarlight, I doubt Cory or others have a problem with signage. The problem is being forced by government to do something that removes a freedom. A business already jumps hurdles because of the large amount of regulations in place now, and should have the right to promote it’s business in the manner that will cater to it’s customers. French and English may not always be the way to go, so they should be able to decide.”
Absolutely the way I feel Eric. Now, we’ve been accused on this site of being racist and anti-French at one time or another.
I ask of you, Stella, the following:
A) If I were anti-French, then why would I attend a bilingual university; writing some of my papers in the French language?
B) If I were anti-French, then why would I have married a Francophone woman?
C) If I were anti-French, then that would mean I would hate half of my family?
D) If I were anti-French, then why would I choose to talk 55% of the time at home in French?
E) If I were anti-French, then why would I choose to talk as much as I can (about 33% of the time in French at work with those who can speak the language)
F) If I were anti-French, then why would I support the Franco-Ontario culture at La Ronde in Timmins? (Ohhhhhh my dear Stella, bet you weren’t expecting that now, right?!)
G) If I were anti-French, then why would I advocate for private funding by companies to support the language. I am of course referring to companies like: Desjardins, Bombardier, Caisse, etc.
Seems to me like Stella, I might very well support the French language more than you do!!!!!
I like the language – but I don’t approach the issue with a religious-like love for it. I’LL TELL YOU WHAT THOUGH. AS MUCH THAT I LIKE FRENCH; I LOVE FAIRNESS AND DEMOCRACY BETTER. I THINK STELLA THAT YOU SHOULD WATCH THE VIRAL VIDEO OF THE FOUR ASIAN KIDS APPROACHED AND SEVERELY CHASTISED FOR SPEAKING ENGLISH IN MONTREAL!
IT’S DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THAT THAT TOOK PLACE IN 2012 AND NOT 1930’S GERMANY.
Enough for now, though.
All the best,
C.
Thanks Helga for your support!
Cory
Perhaps we need another creepy midnight vote…only tell those we know will vote yes!!!!!!!!!!!!
Am glad to see that more and more people are getting involved, standing up and being counted:)
My thanks to Eric Little, for such an awesome letter. He brings up several good and valid points. in my opinion. Cory Cameron, is as usual right on the money in his letters.
Helga is absolutely correct and I quote: “So it’s OK for you to be concerned about language issue, but somehow it’s a bad thing if Cory does. You yourself are spending night and day in these forums, freaking out every time someone says something critical about this sick bilingualism policy.
“To which, Stella posts and I quote: “Let me reassure you that the language issue doesn’t concern me whatsover. It’s what you are trying to do to a once peaceful nation, the name calling and bashing of my culture that is disturbing. The hatred shown towards us is disgusting.”
Stella, Stella, Stella…quite clearly the language issue does concern you, otherwise your multiply rapid postings would cease on all of these sites and forums!
Still the pot calling the kettle black, as you are rather infamous for your name calling and bashing efforts as I recall. You even take it one step further, in the disrespect department, by ridiculing and misspelling fellow posters names.
Yes…je me souviens ainsi!
*smile*
Colleen, did you go to the Montreal protest?
It is not wrong for Francophones to want to protect their language – after all it is dying all over the world!!! However, the way they want to protect it is totally wrong. By using the law to force a minority language on a reluctant population is fascistic and even the French must know that this is not acceptable. Nobody hates the French and if they do, it is for good reasons. The French in Quebec (if Pauline Marois is anything to go by) have shown that those who follow her are racists and are getting very desperate in their draconian efforts to keep the French language alive. The concept of FREEDOM doesn’t seem to register with people like Stella – I wonder why that is? The peaceful society that she yearns for can only be achieved when the law is not used to force a minority language on a majority. Why should jobs in an English majority country depend on the ability to function in a minority language, spoken in a small part of the country where draconian laws are passed against the use of the majority language? Does that make any sense to anyone?
Maybe the Gallic mind functions a little differently – maybe reason and rationale have been replaced by the famous Gallic “emotion” and to try and appeal to their sense of fair play is a waste of time?
Addressed to all. After repeated warnings about attacks we’re going to simply delete entire posts if you submit with personal attacks. Please keep our time spent on moderation to a minimum. Thank you for your consideration.
Thank you Jamie, decorum is a must.
Hi Cory,
Yes…did go and attend the protest….lolol…dare say, think we taught them a thing or two…they were much too quiet:)
Of course, they are not to be envied as they are under attack in all facets of their lives, while in Quebec.
Really feel for them, now…even more so as they await further restrictions and oppression tactics, from their so called leaders…terrible and just so very sad:(
Sad day for ALL Canadians, on the eve of their election!
So Kim….if french is dying all over the world as you say, why are you all so frightened? After all if it is a dying culture no need to worry about your rights and dominance because in the end the english will prevail……you are the majority….n’est-ce-pas? A ce moment la vous allez pouvoir dominer a votre gout. C’est ca votre objectif….n’est-ce-pas?
What is wrong with keeping french alive Kim? Is it not one of the official language of our country? So what if the french speaking people defend their culture, it doesn’t affect you personally and hasn’t affected the country. There are bigger things to be concerned about in this country and around the world. Don’t begrudge the french for standing up for their language in Quebec….you are doing the same thing here at a more severe degree.
You can not blame anyone else for your demise. Knowing that this country has two official languages, with a little common sense and clairvoyance, you would have chosen to learn both languages knowing that in the end the effort would have been well worth it.
Hello Kim,
Completely agree with your post!
Quote of the day, from Kim: …”Why should jobs in an English majority country depend on the ability to function in a minority language, spoken in a small part of the country where draconian laws are passed against the use of the majority language? Does that make any sense to anyone?” Quite right, indeed…you have captured the essence of the problem, in a nutshell.
“Maybe the Gallic mind functions a little differently – maybe reason and rationale have been replaced by the famous Gallic “emotion” and to try and appeal to their sense of fair play is a waste of time?” You might be onto to something here, after all we have seen this demonstrated time and again on these forum and sites!
Thank you for your insights…they are appreciated:)
stella :
Behaviors like this scare the public ,they feel that they cannot speak up for fear of reprisal .But they are waking up to this Oppression.
http://nodogsoranglophones.blogspot.ca/2011/05/hugo-shebbeare-is-vindicated.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/09/04/mtl-language-fight-video-goes-viral.html
Stella you said:
” Don’t begrudge the french for standing up for their language in Quebec….you are doing the same thing here at a more severe degree.
Please tell me where we oppress people by language here. Ontario services provided in french -please show us “our more severe” degree like bill 101 .
“So what if the french speaking people defend their culture, it doesn’t affect you personally and hasn’t affected the country”
How do you know it doesn’t affect me personally first of all and second it has affected the country and caused division.
Implementing rights for one should not be at the cost of another ,when that happens democracy is lost .
With the argument that we as Canadians have ‘2’ Official languages; then it should be noted that we should all have access to civil service jobs regardless if we speak English and/or French…
and the same goes with healthcare, legal, or any other government regulated or affiliated jobs.
By going with this logic, any one of us should be able to get by whether we are French or English. (according to government regulations) To me, hiring just because you speak a certain language is crazy. I don’t care if you can serve more customers; the focus should be the quality of the services you offer, that is the kicker…Now believe me here – WE NEED TO SEPARATE THE CONCEPT BETWEEN QUALITY AND QUANTITY; before someone tries to argue that concept…
As someone has said before, even hiring an equal amount of unilingual on each side is still not representation by population but it is better than the current one-sidedness practiced!
It’s why we can’t lose in this argument. This culture of entitlement exhibited by some is so so ingrained into the Canadian mindset that this argument is like shooting fish in a barrel. All of our gov’t organizations are staffed mostly by Francophones. I see a big problem with this concept. I also think newcomers to Canada see this as well.
There is nothing fair nor natural in how some see this argument. I feel as though it’s almost, like for some, a total natural state of things. Now, why would it be like this?
Well, for those under 50 years of age, perhaps they’ve never noticed or lived through anything different? When I was in Immersion School, the teachers would tell us only to speak French in the schoolyard. Now, what are a bunch of kids supposed to think about this? Well for us, it was completely natural. We were kids and these teachers were adults! What the hell did we know? Adults were always right? Right?!
For those over 50 years of age, we do know that there was a pronounced English domination – especially in the class system in Quebec where the English were owners of the means of production. Perhaps, (and I’ve read some express this sentiment), Francophones are still bitter about this raw deal they experienced. However, those living in the past are just that. Living in the past. The past has no merit on what is occuring today; however it does have bearing as you can see from the comments made here. You cannot fault the son for the father’s mistakes.
What? Did you really think we could continue along this current setting? Sitting at the back of the bus for 50+ years? The pendulum needs to shift back to the centre.
And, Howard is correct in his assertion. Not only is this language issue creating an elitist class but it has also created a sense of entitlement for those who are part of this language group.
Don’t believe me? Reread Patrick’s Costco experience. Where else in the world would you have the power to affect someone’s job by not being able to serve them in their language?
Still don’t believe me, lets look at the Airport language police.
Still don’t believe me, lets look at the Language Police in Quebec.
Still don’t believe me, lets look at the fact that we have a federal party (PQ) who’s main reason for existence is to break away from Confederation?
Still don’t believe me, lets look at French only Health Clinics.
Still don’t believe me, lets look at the fact that in the province of Ontario, in order to appease a small segment of the population, one must have a sign in 2 languages.
Still don’t believe me, lets look at the little checkboxes on federal/provincial grants that if one identifies themself as ‘Francophone’ they have a greater chance of rece
iving funding as opposed if they’re not.
Still don’t believe me, how about examining the OLA, FLSA and Bill 101 in Quebec. (all-one-sided)
Still don’t believe me, how about how someone sued Air Canada but for the fact that the steward or stewardess couldn’t get his ‘sprite’ order right in French.
If you still don’t believe me then obviously there is something wrong with your mindset.
Now do you believe me….
C.
@Kim Lian Khoo RE: September 4, 2012 at 4:07 pm POST
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Bravo Kim Absolutely well said. I couldn’t have said it any better myself.
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@Highlander Re: September 4, 2012 at 5:44 pm POST
Thanks for posting that. I was going to re-post it in this forum myself till i notice you had done it.
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And finally…
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@ stellabystarlight RE: September 4, 2012 at 8:30 am POST.
Stella wrote, “You mention once again the french clinic. If they are not taking new patients, I guess one can say there is a need for french langauge services for the unilingual french people….which would prove to be the same for gov. jobs. If the clinic is filled to capacity that would indicate why gov. jobs would require french speaking people also…….same scenario.
Why should signage bother anyone? Does it affect you personally? You still get served in the language of your choice. If not, you can choose to go elsewhere but I can guarantee you that won’t happen. People with common sense will go where they like the service and the product. Having a problem with signage is an indication of animosity towards the french and a need to control.”
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If it wasn’t so ridiculously ridicules i would have actually laughed out loud. It is now more than ever, COMPLETELY clear that you REALLY just don’t get it.
Need to control ? Oh my lord. Please tell me you… No never mind.
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We need to start opening ENGLISH ONLY health clinics in Quebec. Oh, with English only signs… Whaaddya think there Stella ? 🙂
Highlander
September 4, 2012 at 8:32 am
Thanks Eric ,it scares me so…… Through hatred from alienation, acts of desperation breeds violence and Humanity is lost !
I had not thought that someone would act in violence this quickly at the PQ election headquarters .
Trust me this act of violence is just the beginning ,it only worsens as time goes on ,I fear many acts of violence and loss of Humanity.
When a people are cornered and feel they are marginalized and rights are lost -acts of desperation occurs .
My thoughts go to that lost soul and their family and those injured .
Sadly this is just the beginning of the violence ,till the government makes a stand and brings in equality for all persons .
We told you there would be violence!
I just didn’t think that it would happen this quickly!
It’s getting absolutely crazy isn’t it?!
Wondering who is instigating this violence?
Thinking we could find the culprits in our own backyard…n’est-ce-pas? It’s not something I would be proud to say “I told you so” By even stating it with conviction is quite scarry……..it’s like “oh……see it’s happening just like we said…isn’t it wonderful!!!
Oh, come now, Highlander and Cory Cameron! That sixty-two-year-old man was alone and is mentally deranged, you know that. That’s it, that’s all. I knew that you would say what you have said.
Oh, the things you hear sometimes!
C’est vraiment n’importe quoi.
Le renard bleu…..c’est tu possible? C’est rendu quasiment pitoyable mais drole en meme temps…..lol Essayer de faire craindre le monde par leur platitudes….**s**
stella said ;
Wondering who is instigating this violence?
Thinking we could find the culprits in our own backyard…n’est-ce-pas? It’s not something I would be proud to say “I told you so”
I do believe in your above comment is PROPAGANDA.
But think of this event as a butterfly effect
Considering the internet /blogs/ articles /shares – The population is increasing AWARE of discrimination and apathy to it.
It was only a matter of time for some disenchanted Lunatic to go fanatical.
Truly a sad day,my best to those families.
Stella said Thinking we could find the culprits in our own backyard…n’est-ce-pas? It’s not something I would be proud to say “I told you so” By even stating it with conviction is quite scarry……..it’s like “oh……see it’s happening just like we said…isn’t it wonderful!!!
Actually Stella your right…It would be in your back yard because Anglophones never resort to violence …never!!! but wish that I could say the same about your back yard ***smile***
Mariah…….wakee wakee…. Don’t only be reading my post **s** take time to read others. Who is talking civil war? Certainly not the french…..not our style. We are a peace loving culture!!!!
This is not a bilingual country just go to Valleyfield Que an to Walmart or other stores you will not find English signs let along someone who will talk to you in English so get out an go to some of these towns in Quebec –or just sit there an mouth off about bilingual
crap that you know nothing about!!!I lived in Lachine Quebec!
Um, Stella, the French Revolution? 🙂
Stella, have you ever heard of the expression:
“I wish sometimes I wasn’t right”?
Well, I think that’s more what I was trying to get at but I think you, along with Renard lost it’s meaning. Anyways, Mariah is right and I would like to add along her line of thinking of things occuring in the backyard of Quebec……FLQ Crisis, that viral video of 4 asian kids and young French couple out of Quebec; this latest shooting……I’m not going on anymore about all of it.
A man has been killed today and is the first casualty of this language debate in recent times. I don’t take pride in it; I don’t take happiness in it; I’m quite bothered by it and I especially don’t appreciate both you and Renard making light of it within this context.
For you to think and point out that you believe I think its ‘wonderful’ shows how contemptuous you really are. I’m totally scared that you can make light of this person’s death and to think that I would think that way!
The real question I have about you is how you are continually permitted to make statements like this. I guess though it takes the honesty of one person to reveal the character of another? Perhaps that’s why Jamie permits you to post in the first place? Or maybe it’s just because you embroil so many nerves that fighting back with you is a stress reliever for so many so much of the time.
Anwer me this: Are you being serious with your above statement of me thinking this is all ‘wonderful’, or are you simply seeking to elicit a rise out of me for another one of your entertainment episodes that you have highlighted to us before as being the reason why you’re on here so much?
Please answer question and I will keep my answer to any you have very limited as well.
C.
I wish Stella for the love of God just this once you would be able to formulate an argument of your own without having to try and extrapolate an argument out of someone else’s point of view and to pick it apart.
This is really debating another’s argument without forming your own.
Personally, I do not take anything too lightly, Mr. Cory Cameron, but, unlike you, I do not see any reason even to hint at the prospect of a civil war. This whole matter is getting overblown a lot.
Yes, a man died last night, but, as I have said twice already, he was killed by a mentally deranged person, not by an ‘‘oppressed English speaker’’. ’Bye!
Hello Bill,
Thank you for adding your most valuable insights, into this discussion.
The lack of services and respect for the English, while in Quebec, is a side of the equation that many conveniently and frequently forget to remember.
As a former resident of Quebec, your input is most illuminating, indeed!
🙂
Le Renard bleu,
Le Renard bleu quote: “I have said twice already, he was killed by a mentally deranged person, not by an ‘‘oppressed English speaker’’. ’Bye!”
Ohh…didn’t realize you knew the shooter, personally? Why didn’t you just say so, in the first place? So wonderful that you can personally attest to the fact, that he was mentally deranged and not oppressed, or both right? Do you read minds, as a hobby or is it your full time job?
No, Colleen McIntosh. That is what the journalists said.
Once more, Colleen, you know what? Well, whatever…
This is going to sound very odd and weird coming from me but I think it will be the rednecks on both sides of this equation who will somehow find peace with one another….
There is something to be said about simple folk getting together over a meal; having a drink or socializing…
It’s when politicians or intellectuals intervene in issues that things seem to get messed up. This happens 100% of the time. I think it has to do with idealism.
So I suggest we get 100 people from Morrisburg or Monkland and 100 people from Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha! or ville d’anjou; tune up the country music; get the beer flowing and party it up!
As I am writing this I honestly have to admit that my breakfast this morning includes – would you believe it, a Joe Louis and a pepsi!
I didn’t notice it until my wife starting laughing at me.
She then called me a Quebecer!
I then said a couple of swear words to her in French.
Have a good day everyone,
C.
Meanwhile, laws have been ( and are )put in place to increase French beyond what iis truly needed, and will guarantee funding before any English programs. We get side tracked so easily about an ideal.
Eric ,
How is it that Ontario’s institutions that are under the French Services Language Act -have more protection then institutions that are not.
Is this similar to 2 tiered system ?
More legal and funding protection and is considered a highly political gesture.
When has the government become the mofia for its own institutions?
Funny people don’t see an issue with this -the 4%have more rights then those 96%.
Elitism….with varying forms of segregation …..through discrimination!
Bring on the Referendum ,
Let Canadian society decide through democracy and vote on these Language laws rather then one political party .
Did Canadians request of their politicians to enact these laws ?
NO.
It was decided by a few politicians like “Serge Joyal” and Trudeau who wanted a French state inside and outside of Quebec !
Lets have a democracy again ,it has been lost to interest groups ,
Lets have a vote on bilingualism and need for it .
If it passes then Quebec must be bilingual as well ….otherwise no more bribing with transfer payments ….sign the god D**n constitution or no money!
Why are we giving them money if they are not recognized through the constitution.
OH YA APPEASEMENT
“How is it that Ontario’s institutions that are under the French Services Language Act -have more protection then institutions that are not.”
The easy answers are, A. People do not know, B. People do not want to know or combination of both C. they complain when it affects their purse or affects them personally!
Of course then, it may be too late. People need to watch what is going on…..
Check this out Highlander I guess a provincial court has the power to mandate a federal court now. Yet again an example of the tail wagging the dog.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/09/10/long-gun-registry-data-quebec.html
the long gun registry should not have been destroyed in the first place….oh ..to please the oil companies and the west..