Supreme Court of Canada will NOT hear Galganov / Brisson Forced Bilingual Sign Appeal – Breaking
CFN – Human rights champion Howard Galganov reports that today he received the much-anticipated e-mail concerning his petition made to the Supreme Court. The court of last resort was being asked to overturn a decision made by a Superior Court judge that allows muncipalities to over-ride the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Previously an Ontario Superior Court judge ruled that Russell Township violated the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but that doing so was acceptable. By a very slim majoriy, the township passed a bylaw which demands that all new exterior commercial signage be in English and French, not one or the other and no provision for other languages. Russell was the fourth Eastern Ontario township to do so.
Today the Township of Russell posted the following Press Statement on their website:
“In light of the decision of the Supreme Court of Canada in regards to the leave of appeal from Galganov / Brisson versus Russell in the matter related to the Bilingual Sign Bylaw, we are extremely pleased that the plaintiffs were denied the hearing” said Mr. Jean Paul St-Pierre, Mayor for the Township of Russell. “It finally brings closure to the legal proceedings that were, in all instances, decided in favor of the Municipality by the court. The Court reiterates the fact that the Township was in its legal rights to adopt such bylaw and that Mr. Howard Galganov, a non-resident of the municipality, was in no position to contest the bylaw. We now can move forward for the benefit of our communities” concluded Mayor St.Pierre.”
How ironic that some Franco businesses and municipal agencies choose not to adhere to the bylaw. The municipal Fire Hall in Embrun boasts a unilingual sign which reads: “Poste de Pompiers”.
And, as we reported recently, the Francophone cultural/entertainment centre recently replaced its sign with a high tech version, but still in French only. An employee of La Maison des Arts told us that they were zoned differently (institutional/non-profit), then said that it’s because they provide French education. Apparently the centre previously had posted a small sign which explained that rationale. A member of the local community informed us that La Maison des Arts provides day care service for the French Catholic School across the street; would one not think that to be considered a business venture?
Pierre Leroux ran for and became a Russell Councillor two years ago; he told CFN that it’s widely known that one of his motivating forces in running for Council was the fact that he didn’t feel it right the way that bilingualism was forced upon local businesses. As for today’s Supreme Court announcement, as a member of Council he’s happy that the Township will not have to pay for an expensive legal battle (which he feels could have been avoided), but as a person he feels that the decision is wrong.
So, what about everyone else? People are asking ‘What’s the problem with being fair and allowing everyone a similar degree of freedom of expression?’ That’s a great question!
In our short clip, viewers can plainly see that the animated sign is unilingual and hear for themselves the explanation we received from a staff member of the arts centre.
Galganov was among the presenters at the recent annual Christmas Luncheon hosted by Canadians for Language Fairness at an Ottawa area restaurant. At the gathering, Galganov told the crowd:
“If the Supreme Court decides that they’re not going to hear the case, then it becomes the law of Canada. Any municipality can legislate, not just on issues of language and culture, but on any of the guarantees in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The Charter is essentially a Charter of Suggestions. Any time a judge or group of judges of one mindset or the other can decide what is to be protected and what is not to be protected it means we have no guarantees. Freedom of Expression is the foremost guarantee we have in any free society.”
In our highlight video clip (unedited footage provided by Danno Saunt) each of the key presenters at the CLF Luncheon (Beth Trudeau, Howard Galganov, Nick Vandergragt, Brian Lilley, Ron Barr and Jack MacLaren) shares an update on their involvement in the ongoing struggle to preserve basic human rights here in Canada.
It is anticipated that Galganov as well as Language Fairness for All and Canadians for Language Fairness will step up their efforts locally and nationally.
Don Smith reports on a variety of topics, notably good news items as well as social justice issues.
@ stella,
I believe it is very sad when one cannot order a hamburger in Hull.
Sad, because Englsih is a founding language, and Hull is in Canada . The people of quebec carry a canadian passport, but disrespect one of the founding and pre-domonent languages of the world.
I also feel when a Graham Fraesar, has to have secret shoppers go to ottawa malls to see if retailers are serving the french in their language, is a disgrace, if he does not do the same in quebec, concering English shoppers
BILINGUAL RIGHT MEANS 2 LANGUAGES not 1
Why does he not do the same in Hull
Is Hull not part of Canada
If someone refused to sreve a hamburger in Ottawa to someone who is french, there would be a federal case made of it,
I can;t make simplier than that.
Why is English viewed as such a bad thing there
What is the rationale
Are the french so insecure in their own language that they have to force it on others
PS My question mark key is not working-apologies
There you have it, Curly!
You nailed it in a nutshell!
I would add that I think in some strange way that our Francophone, French First posters named Stella, Ed and Pierre may feel wronged in that they ever learned English to begin with. (Or at least that they thought they had to learn English in order to garner services in our country which isn’t the case). Perhaps they’re thinking that we have to learn French for jobs is partial payment to them thinking that they ‘had’ to learn English is the case?
I think this is what is going on in their mindset.
If they know English = then we damn well need to make the effort to learn French now.
I think I’m onto something here.
stellabystarlight, someone putting bilingual down on the job ad is very different than needing someone with Doctor level abilities…..
Right now, more and more jobs are being listed bilingual without an actual definable & measurable need.
@ stella,
You statement,
“one must speak both official languages in this country“
This is not correct. Private business can hire as per skill, experince and education, the true criteria for any hiring.
It is only the federal governement that requires this.
it is also unfair, costly and very unecessary.
When only 26% of the population are french,( 22% coming from quebec) there is simply no need for this. its that simple.
For specifics of language unavailability ,they can use translators at a fraction of the cost. That would be a prudent and practical responsible way of spending taxpayers money.
Also, quebec is NOT BILINGUAL, so not all the country practices a bilingual policy, with the exception of maybe N.B.
Your analogy to the doctor is inappropriate and irrelevent
Stella, canda is much, much more than quebec and eastern ontario, the majority have no desire to or need to speak french, nor ,quite frankly should they
Oh Man! I had no idea that some restaurants in Quebec don’t have bilingual staff. That is totally outrageous! I know for a fact that every restaurant around where I live (near Brockville) has at least one French speaking server on staff. Well, maybe not.
You whiners are hilarious! What’s the French word for hamburger? It shouldn’t be too hard to figure out.
Fight On! Free the Hull Hamburgers!!!
But be careful out there.
@ edudyorlik. You forgot the part where the MacDonald’s cashier spat in your face after taking your money. Get with the program, man. If you’re gonna BS, do it right.
Fight On!
curly…you can take your rollers off now, it is harming your thinking **smile**
curly wrote “one must speak both official languages in this country“
I never said that!!! No one was ever forced to learn both official languages of this country…..so far, you got that? It’s a personal choice…..ca-vas?
Let me assure curly………the majority want to live a a peaceful loving country that is the envy of the world. The majority do not want the BS nor the nonsense that the english freedom fighters are trying to spread throughout this country…..that you can take to the bank.
Hey Stella you missed the gist of the story so here it is again. I added a bit more. Seems this dentist was living in Pierre’s neck of the woods.
“Quebec dentist barred from practising after failing French test
Last Updated: Thursday, September 20, 2007 | 7:01 PM ET CBC
A Quebec dentist who speaks French fluently has lost his right to practise in the province after failing a written French test four times.
“Honestly, I feel I can’t say how I feel,” Mahmoud Raisi said Thursday after learning he would be denied the permanent licence he needs to continue serving patients in Aylmer, Quebec. “I’m speechless in that department.”Raisi, who also speaks Persian, English and Spanish, moved to Aylmer from Ottawa……
@ Pierre since you brought up grammar errors. Good grief stop using you(s).
@ Ed
Ha!Ha!Ha!
Ah Ed, I feel just like you do, except that these guys are more like those “asian flying bass” that you don’t even have to reel in. You just have to start the motor on your boat and the noise excites them, so much, that, they start flying out of the water, and fall right in the fisherman’ boats. Ha! Ha! Ha!
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@ rosie
Good golly rosie, Did you just wake up, at 6:40 pm.
Your concerns have already been adressed…
Go back to bed… To your nighmares!
“Let me assure curly………the majority want to live a a peaceful loving country that is the envy of the world.”
Envy my ass! lol The world is definitely watching.
“The majority do not want the BS nor the nonsense that the english freedom fighters are trying to spread throughout this country…..that you can take to the bank.”
The entire country is good unless you want to bore us with english freedom fighters, natives, immigrants, muslims, and foriegn countries. Any of that nonsense and, well, Canadians don’t want anything to do with that right Stella? You know, I thought it was funny enough that I somehow became the voice for the natives on this site, but you representing all Canadians opinions and beliefs? Gawd, Allah, Mohammed who ever you pray to, help us all.
@ Pierre
Where did you say you got your sources from ?
RE: My questions re: CCH exact not looked up sources
RE: we Had Prime ministers in . in upper and lower canada
Again, you stated you never say anything without checking it first
So again I ask you Where you got your sources for these assertations ?
Pleaase exact quotes so we know where you got them.
@ stella,
Your post on Jan 8th 2013 at 4:26 P,M,
I quote from your post stella
” one must speak both official languages in the country french and English”
End quote, you can look it up if you want to, its there in black and white ,your words not mine
by the way, how do you know what the majority of Canada wants?
have you conducted apoll we are not aware of?
Then ,please share?
You also in your quote, failed to capitalise the word ENGLISH
Thank you stella, you are a modicom of misinformation
@Admin. I will add the question marks for curly in this great post of his. — (well said curly) — Could you frame it for all of us or shall I do it?
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ON January 8, 2013 at 4:43 pm curly wrote,
“@all French who have that oh so familiar skew — PLUS stella,
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I believe it is very sad when one cannot order a hamburger in Hull.
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Sad, because English is a founding language, and Hull is in Canada. The people of Quebec carry a Canadian passport, but disrespect one of the founding and pre-dominant languages of the world.
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I also feel when a Graham Fraser, has to have secret shoppers go to Ottawa malls to see if retailers are serving the French in their language, is a disgrace, if he does not do the same in Quebec, concerning English shoppers
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BILINGUAL RIGHT MEANS 2 LANGUAGES not 1
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Why does he not do the same in Hull?
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Is Hull not part of Canada?
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If someone refused to serve a hamburger in Ottawa to someone who is French, there would be a federal case made of it.
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I can’t make simpler than that.
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Why is English viewed as such a bad thing there?
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What is the rationale?
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You answer curly… Their SPECIAL.
PS: Are you busy on July 4th? We’re having a little shin dig on the parliament hill and these questions could be part of a great speech you could deliver to our so called “federal political leaders.”
We would just have to maybe (if you don’t mind) add this little part …
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Why has the federal government neglected the human and constitutional rights of the Anglophones living in the province of Quebec?
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And lastly. Once again addressed to our “political leaders.”
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How is it that Quebec can act like it is its own separate Nation from Canada and yet still receive Billions of tax dollars from the rest of us hard working tax paying Canadians as if they are one of the “provinces” that make up this nation — while they step on our national flag and treat the common language of Canada as a second class language ? We would like an answer (A REAL ANSWER) to this also
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isn’t it time we settled this and got REAL answer to these IMPORTANT questions so we can distinguish between those who ARE INDEED fellow Canadians and those WQHO ARE NOT?
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Again curly. Well said… and thanks for the renewed shot of inspiration.
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@ Bella_b
Please do not misquote me,
“the majority want to live in a peace loving country that is the envy of the world ”
those words you quoted were spoken to by stella, not me,
Please refer to her posts, Jan 8th. 2013, at 6:40 p.m.
@ ED,
Hi Ed,
I am still waiting to hear an answer to a question I posed to you today at 4:23 p.m.
Why are you so adversely concerned about people ‘s right to speak out about what they preceive to be discrimination ( para phrasing here)
you can read the exact question.
Also, I was intereexted to know, why you would mock people who are exercising their right to freedom of expression and assembly
I would have thought that you who value peace in canada would have been upset that your peace and tranquility was disturbed by the real bombs of the FLQ and RIN
Certainly would be interested to hear your reply from my first post today at 4:23p.m.
regards, curly
Nope, Pierre. Neither the Canadian Constitution nor The Charter “command” HEALTH in French. It guarantees only education and only where numbers warrant.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/Const/index.html
@ Curly and Eric
you ask seroius questions and I think that you deserve serious answers.
To address all of your concerns, Curly I would have to scrool back to previous comments and, when I do that, I lose my post. So let me start with your 8:43 pm one.
I’m from Gatineau, orginally from Hull so, I can tell you that if you’ve tried to order a hamburger in Hull and could’nt get served in english well, I won’t call you a liar, but I’ll tell you that it was an extremely rare happening.
My girlfriend is anglophone and we like to eat out at least a couple times a week, we also shop, and eat in all three Gatineau secters, Aylmer, Hull and Gatineau. When I order, en français and, the waiter or the cashier sees, that my girlfriend is anglophone, the conversaton usually changes to english… Nine times out of ten.
It even insults my girlfriend because she wants to learn, to speak french better. She, sometimes tells them`: Non, non, je peux parler français.
I’m not certain that the few francophone who refuse to speak english while serving anglos, in officially french Québec are being disrespectful to the anglos.
It may be the opposite that is true. I love to see anglos respect the francophone when in Québec by speaking french, just as I respect the Anglos, by speaking english, when in the ROC.
What Graham Frazer did was not a discrase or an abuse of english
rights. He just wanted to get the feel of the situation rather than have to rely on earsay… Let the “nightmare clan” on this blog rely on earsay.
It’s not about being insecure of our language Curly, but when you’re only 4% of the continent’s anglophone population, You have to takes mesures, sometimes extaordinary to protect your languge your identity.
As to your 5:03 post
Stella is wrong in saying that everybody has to be bilingual in this country. Its an asset for everybody but not a necessity…
You too so are wrong.
It’s not only the federal government who has bilingualism requirements. The Ontario government has some bilingualism requirements and so does the Québec government.
It’s a mater of respecting their official language minority.
Most businesses also have bilingualism requirements to respect their customers.
You can’t use translators, in every occasions, and the use of machines is very inaccurate and disrespectful.
Understand this, French is not a secondary language in this country. Dispite all the cr@p, you read on this blog, the french and the english languages are equal in Canada and the more you understand it, the better canadian you will be.
You’re right, in saying that anglos living on the ROC are not concerned or affected, much by bilingualism… Unless they want to become Supreme Court judges or majors in the armed forces or become the Prime Minister of Canada.
I hope this answers some of your concerns.
Eric, I’ll get back to you.
Later.
@ Edudyorlik. Yous are indeed a genius and a true hero! Please keep posting and providing us happy people with stuff to laugh about. Yous and Cory are the bestest! Keep it rolling, please and thanks.
So, are yous firming up the plans for the Parliament Hill demo? Yous got the dates set? And what time will the mattress-toss get going? Have yous contacted Randy Hillier yet? I bet he’d get in there like a dirty shirt, and he can toss a mean mattress too.
Fight On!
I have asked and questioned Ed, stella and Pierre, and so far there are no answers.
they are fearful I guess, or maybe just out of sources and answers that are crediable
I guess they might be scrambling to look up the net for some source of perverted guidance to their posts.
For the life of me, I don’t get why people are so afraid of the English language.
it is the international languge of the world, It is our founding language, it never ever, threatened the french language ever.
Why is there paranoia about English.
They ( the french) keep saying they are threatened, where is the threat?
Who is threatening them? Why?
They say they need protection, from what ? Or whom?
They cannot go to bed without the lights being left on in their room or what?
Are they that babyish?
I believe, it is not a language issue, but a power issue.
The french wish to try to control Canada, its that simple.
They ,because of political manuvering are so far succeeding.
However, now that the cat is out of the bag ,and pushback is a coming ,there is a sense of them being a tad nervous,
With more and more Canadians being acutely aware of the power struggle, they are responding to this threat.
It starts with the people, From where I am seated, they ( the people) are really fed up to here with the french fact.
Next politicans will have to begin to justify the unjustifiable.
The real coup would be if quebec separated. This is a real possibility over the next 10-15 years.
Then , how receiptive would a nine province Canada be to bilingualism, with only 4% of the new Canada french?
this is the real fear of stella, ed, and pierre. That is why they pretend to be pro Canada .
It will go that way, for there is no return to Canada for quebec, they are as good as gone now,
What’s the expression, its only a matter of time, before quebec goes
good riddance I say, and the sooner the better.
Curly, francophones comprise 21.8 % of Canada’s population.
Eric said,
January 8, 2013 at 4:49 pm
“stellabystarlight, someone putting bilingual down on the job ad is very different than needing someone with Doctor level abilities…..
Right now, more and more jobs are being listed bilingual without an actual definable & measurable need.”
You are so right Eric!
I applied for temporary RN position at EOHU administedring flu shots & was denied because I am unilingual English, but here’s the real kicker Bilingual mandatory, but CPR an asset!!!!
DISCRIMINATION,plain & simple. I am disgusted & saddened at the same time with my home town…What future do I or my kids have here, many days I wish I was born in the USA!
Tell me democracy is not dead, a young child in our country, CANADA, is denied an English education. Will Canadians stand up & fight for this child’s rights. Black, black days in Canadian history.
http://www.cjad.com/CJADLocalNews/entry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10486797
ON January 8, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Pierre wrote, “Stella is wrong in saying that everybody has to be bilingual in this country. Its an asset for everybody but not a necessity…”
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Pierre wrote, Stella is wrong in saying that everybody has to be bilingual in this country. Its an asset for everybody but not a necessity…”
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Pierre wrote, Stella is wrong in saying that everybody has to be bilingual in this country. Its an asset for everybody but not a necessity…”
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Pierre wrote, Stella is wrong in saying that everybody has to be bilingual in this country. Its an asset for everybody but not a necessity…”
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Pierre wrote, Stella is wrong in saying that everybody has to be bilingual in this country. Its an asset for everybody but not a necessity…”
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Pierre wrote, Stella is wrong in saying that everybody has to be bilingual in this country. Its an asset for everybody but not a necessity…”
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Wha ha ha ha ha
🙂
Cory Cameron
January 8, 2013 at 3:47 pm
“Seems to me, much of your time is spent typing anti-Non-Francophone rants towards many of us. Surely sir, you are not refering to doing this and taking enjoyment out of it, right”
Don’t forget his other personality on freeholder (furtz) another cantankerous personality ,but yet the same -the real Furtz/Ed .
curly
January 8, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Well said!
stellabystarlight
January 8, 2013 at 4:26 pm
“What a childish and sh#t disturbing comment…GROW UP!
Nobody has a problem….when one of the criteria for employment is to be ilingual……….one must speak both official languages of this country, French and english……otherwise, don’t apply PERIOD.”
Not childish question but certainly a childish response -so you agree that only 17% of the population should have rights to work for their own government due to deemed bilingualism?
So regardless of the education and experience -language is more important ?
So all of you well educated and experienced people -forget about furthering your education IT MEANS NOTHING -because french is MORE IMPORTANT because the determaining factor for you to work in the biggest employer and your own country you must speak french ,yet 83 % are English.
Pierre
January 8, 2013 at 2:56 pm
@ eric Jan 8, 1:17 pm
But, I have trouble getting your point.
I don’t know what you’re talking about, half the time.
That’s a comprehension problem ,of which I am to believe you have a hard time understanding anything that does not fall into YOUR VIEW POINTS.
That’s understandable your where raised to HATE ENGLISH ,not your fault ,you had been brought up that way ,much like the rest of those in Quebec ,taught to you in school and loved ones .
Ra*i*m is a funny thing right Pierre when you grow up in it you tend not to see it like “the forest for the trees”,in fact when its societal its encouraged !
Now let me ask you this :
If our healthcare is provided for ALL through the tax payers and rightfully so :
What would you think if we had an white only clinic ?
Now what would you think if we had 9 french only clinics -as we do in Eastern Ontario -when all provincial services already provide bilingual services?
Yup segregation ,we in Canada have now imported it and encouraged by the government of the people for the people -well if your french only!
Ed
January 8, 2013 at 4:41 pm
“Cory, I will admit that I might spend a bit too much time in the winter months amusing myself at the computer on sites like this. Getting you oh-so-serious freedom-fighters all in a lather is just too easy. It’s like reeling in a nice bass on a summer evening.”
Well Ed it must be understood that who you call in a derogatory way freedom fighters -are really that ,they refuse to be treated as a second class citizen in their own country,therefore they are standing not for them but our future generations.
You may enjoy taking pleasure in the suffering of others ,yes suffering that is what discrimination is PERIOD!
Now that ALL know you enjoy others suffering or being discriminated against -for that is what this is really all about !
Perhaps your could take a little time off from the keyboard and take some pleasure in TORTURING SOME LITTLE INNOCENT CREATURE ans get your shit and giggles out of that .
Maybe watch Shindlers list and laugh through the whole thing to get your pleasure.
Now Ed I take this issue like many very personally as many more because they have been discriminated against ,not for race ,color ,sex,religion but because they could not speak a second language WELL ENOUGH!
I do understand Pierre as these are his beliefs ,though misguided they remain his beliefs ,you on the other hand post on here to get satisfaction at insulting and antagonizing others who have and continue to feel the burn of discrimination.
So if you really want to get enjoyment out of the suffering of others and get a “GOOD LAUGH” watch the movie Shindlers list -I am sure you will have “Great Satisfaction” in laughing at the suffering of others in this movie!
Well folks this is the type of person Ed is ,loves the suffering of others thank god for our species there are few like him.
@ Ed and Stella,
Still waiting for my responses
curly
January 8, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Total french population is 21%,french only is around 5-10% .
stellabystarlight
January 8, 2013 at 6:40 pm
No one was ever forced to learn both official languages of this country…..so far, you got that? It’s a personal choice…..ca-vas?
But if one does not have oppotunities in their own country -is there really much of a choice ?
Well Stella is it their choice in Quebec ?NO one language is pushed -suppress English -thank you bill 101.
What about personal choice of going to school in English in Quebec ?
stellabystarlight
January 8, 2013 at 6:40 pm
“Let me assure curly………the majority want to live a a peaceful loving country that is the envy of the world. The majority do not want the BS nor the nonsense that the english freedom fighters are trying to spread throughout this country…..that you can take to the bank.”
So you have consulted with the majority have you ? What your only 2 friends on here?
How with all your time spent dishing out needless nor valid comments here and freeholder are you in contact with the majority to get there viewpoints?
Living in a bloody dreamworld are you?
Check out the many papers with regards to bilingualism and blog spheres there is VERY LITTLE good said about bilingualism, but oh no if I cover my eyes they really aren’t there are they?You choose to be blind !
@ highlander
And I suppose that you (the nightmare clan) trying to kill the french language in eastern Ontario and in Québec do not, will not cause suffering to the francophone… Get real!
You(s) are the only ones to disciminate against others on this blog.
Understand that what Ed is mocking is your bigoted refusal to understand and to accept a very fundamental canadian value and your exagerations of the negative effects that this value (bilingualism) has on anglos.
Pierre
January 8, 2013 at 8:46 pm
What Graham Frazer did was not a discrase or an abuse of english
rights. He just wanted to get the feel of the situation rather than have to rely on earsay… Let the “nightmare clan” on this blog rely on earsay.
First of all this is a newspaper not a blog site!
second Graham Fraser could go to quebec city and assess if there is the English requirements there !
As Quebec city has as much English as the ROC has French!
Yes Pierre to you we are your “Nightmare Clan” so wake up in sweats and terrors ,we are your nightmare and we are not going away only getting bigger and more organized.
@ ed and stella
Still waiting for my responses
Pierre
January 9, 2013 at 8:53 am
“@ highlander
And I suppose that you (the nightmare clan) trying to kill the french language in eastern Ontario and in Québec do not, will not cause suffering to the francophone… Get real!”
Now Mr.Separatist I am glad We are “your” nightmare ,but how are we trying to kill the french language?
Wow you are delusional ,the language is here to stay “if you teach it to your children”!
How is asking for fairness in the evaluation of providing those french services considered “killing the french language”
OMG you guys really like your propaganda ,what are you going to say next -our group will round up the french on trains ?
This has always been about Job Equity and fair hiring practices ,why would your group take insult to anything being deemed “fair” unless your fear of loosing dominance?
“Understand that what Ed is mocking is your bigoted refusal to understand and to accept a very fundamental canadian value and your exagerations of the negative effects that this value (bilingualism) has on anglos.”
That coming from a R*c*st wow lots of validity there ,You defining me a bigot that’s too funny ,look guys the pot calling the kettle black!
If you ever knew “me ” you would come to realize I am very culturally acceptable and take pride in Canada’s diversity,unlike Stella who really has difficulties with cultures outside of French much like yourself.
So Pierre the English hater you can call me a bigot ,but in reality that word has been used way too much by the French Zealots when they push for their agenda and others do not agree .
Just because another does not agree does that mean that gives you the right to call them bigots,but that is the tool that the french Zealots used “shame ” to be called a bigot .
But at last Quebec now has proven to the rest of the country by their action that they are a racist province ,and calling another a bigot has lost its value to the French ,for its like crying wolf oh so many times.
@ Curly. First, I’m under no obligation to answer to you. Second, I’ve already stated more than once that I was born and raised in the English language, and my ability to speak French is very limited. Third, (and this is what seems to really p!ss off the freedom-fighters) I lived in Quebec for twenty-odd years and loved it. I lived in Manitoba for about eight years and loved it, and I’ve lived in eastern Ontario since ’76 and I love it.
Freedom-fighters can’t stand the fact that millions of English Canadians like me aren’t all twisted out of shape like they are. In this case, misery does love company.
Pierre
January 9, 2013 at 8:53 am
Once again this is a newspaper not a blog,to say so is to insult the moderator,but I guess there is no other way for you to get your Invalid points across but to insult others .
Excuse us if we are English!
@ curly
I’m trying to address your concerns but highlander is taking all the place.
Later.
@ highlander
In your nightmare only, you are getting bigger and more organized.
Bilingualism is the fair hiring practice. If you did’nt have it, the Ontario francophone minority would be desciminated faster than April snows. The Ontario francophone need to have some french services and some french language in the workplace to servive.
It’s not hard to unserstand that teaching their children to speak french is no enough.
I have never uttered a single word or expressed a single idea that is bigoted or racist but you(s), the nightmare clan, all your ideas, all your efforts to kill bilingualism in Canada and in Québec are racist by canadian standards and must be denounced and talked about. That’s what I’m doing here.
Now, explain what you mean by Québec has proven to be a racist province because, you see, calling my province racist, is racist unless the accuser can back his acusations with proof.
I don’t call Ontario racist because you(s) live there.
Some racists can be found in all provinces.
@Ed
Gee Ed , I was only asking, because you seem to comment on everybody`s posts, I thought you may expand, as to why you are upset with people exercising their basic democratic right of freedom of assembly.
you were the one alluding to the terrorists of syria and the like.
seemd you were fearful of your taanquility being upset.
I just was curious, that you would not mention the home bred quebec groups who murdered and attacked innocent people.
The FLQ and RIN, . The FLQ murdered Pierre LaPorte and Kidnapped James Cross. Their killers were given a free pass by trudeau, 2 of these murderers went to teach at Uof M, my old alma mater.
Well that`s quebec for you
I think if the CLF group was like them you would have an argument, but ALL they are doing is what is allowed in a free society, that is their right to protest and demostrate, and you are bent out of shape over this , WOW Thin skinned or what .
very, very strange ed.
I also lived in quebec for more than 50 years, until the quebec society became xenaphobic , it was a wonderful place to live.
Today an English sick child cannot receive treatment unless he goes through a series of procuement testing of his ability to speak french by the para- medics.
Gee, Ed, I hope you can go back to your complacency and indifference, as shown by your consistent commentary on others that may disagree with you.
What is your inspirational line to us all
Fight on , WOW
What a guy
@ Helga and Highlander
many thanks for correcting me, it is appreciated.
Curly
Ed, “Canadians like me aren’t all twisted out of shape like they are. In this case, misery does love company.”
So your constant badgering of pastor tom is happiness? All your many aliases here and at the freeholder all for fun? All your warnings to no feed the preacher, shits annd giggles? Winter, summer doesn’t matter, haters gonna hate! Free yourself and come on over here and sit with me on the dark side. We have cookies.
@ curly
curly I have to wonder if you have a split personality.
You sometimes come across as really wanting some serious debate and then you write the conclusions that you’ve come to, conclusions that are, really from, out of this world before you even have that debate.
You’ve asked me where I got the info concerning my statement that bilingualism preceeded the creation of the Dominion of Canada in, 1867 and where I got the proof, that in Pre Confederaion the convention was that for one term it was a francophone Prime Minister that ruled and an Anglophone for the next.
Well, we start learning the history of Canada in the fourth grade in Québec. I also learned canadian history by reading the encyclopedia, and I surf the net.
I’m sure you can find confirmation of my info in “”Wikipedia”
You say that you don’t get, why people are affraid of the English language. I’ve answered that question many times before. Its because we are only 4% francophone on a mostly english speaking North American continent and we need to protect our language, if it is to survive. And it’s not only francophone who want it to servive. there are many bilingual anglos and francophile who what it to servive …
It’s got nothing to do with being scared.
About your post, Jan 9, 9:04 am. Try to be more serious and respecful and you’ll find me serious and respectful too.
You must have read my Jan 8, 8:46 post in which
I answered your affirmation of, not being able to buy a hamburger in Hull. I’d like to get your response to my answer..
That’s how a debate is conducted.
@ Curly. I’m not fearful of much, especially of the French language.
Fight On! And practice up on your mattress-tossing technique.
There are 1092 comments on this subject. Other then my last comment which was a MISTAKE…….if anyone can go back to the 1st post and find another post where I said bilingualism is mandatory in this country………I will gladly pay them a 3 day w/e all expenses paid to a ski resort of their choice. That is how sure I am that the post curly mentioned was a MISTAKE!!!
From day one, I ALWAYS said that learning french was a personal choice and and that no one was ever forced to learn it…….GOT THAT. Other then the mistake I currently made, if anyone can find where I said everybody has to be bilingual…..I will ask Jamie if he could take a picture of the winner and I in his studio. I will make sure I have my new bikini that I bought for the rally in Ottawa and will wear for the photo op………that is how sure I am.
So Pierre…..c’est ma faute, c’est ma faute, c’est ma tres grande faute……**sourire**
Pierre
January 9, 2013 at 10:37 am
I don’t call Ontario racist because you(s) live there.
Some racists can be found in all provinces.
And some provinces like yours has many more !
Pierre
January 9, 2013 at 11:26 am
“Its because we are only 4% francophone on a mostly english speaking North American continent and we need to protect our language, if it is to survive.”
So instead of teaching your children YOUR language ,it is forced upon the rest of the population.
Now the native languages are about to go extinct is it up to the state to force it on all ,to ensure the language survives?
Teach it to your kids take accountability in this don’t expect the state to enforce it.Take accountability for your culture and teach your children.
Ed
January 9, 2013 at 11:30 am
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@ Pierre,
Re Your post Jan 7th 2013 at 7:48 p.m.
Can you please tell me EXACTLY how you know there is an effort to hire more bilingual employees at CCH?
Where did you get this from?
Health and Education ARE COMMANDED BY THE CONSTITUTION
These are provincal powers. So again, where in the constitution did you see this?
I would be very very interested to see it myself.
Again, your own words, and , you check everything Right?
Please share with me where the above exists.
Another source you use is a 4th grade canadian history book,
How much depth is there in that source?
Have you even went deeper , as in a primary source?
have you gone to more than one source concerning the same topic, in order to form a consensus, a term used in differentiating
between fact and opinion?
have you Read: J.M. Careless : Canada a story of Challenage?
have you read the lives of of Lionel L’abbe Groulx?
maurice Duplissis?
tachereau?
have you read the history of bill 101 by charron and camille Lauren? One of its authers
as for pre-confederation, there were no PRIME MINISTERS AT ALL, P.M’s only came into effect after 1867.
This is because Canada only became a country in 1867.
As for one anglo p,m, one francophone p,m, what about the following:
1st canadian P.M. John A. McDonald
2nd. canadian P.M> Sir alex Mackenzie
3rd. canadian P.M. Sir JOhn a. Mcdoanad
These were followed by Sir John Abbott and at least three other English P.M. before Laurier
After laurier came ;
Sir Robert Borden and after Borden there was Sir Aurther Meighan and after Meighan, there was McKenzie KING
After King R.B. Bennett
What are you talking about then, when you say one anglophone P,M, and one francophone P.M.?
Where again did you get this from, please quote the source, since you always check things out Right?
I’d love to see this source in print.
Lastly, Wikipedia, nothing more than a glorified dictionary.
Gives an overview, but very little details.
So Pierre, when you check things out, i question what you use for sources
certainly a 4th. grade canadian history and Wikipedia, are not exactly conclusive when it comes to the details and factual info one needs to form an informated and accurate conclusion.
regards,
Curly
Pierre
January 9, 2013 at 11:26 am
The federal government was bilingual at start of confederation it was Gaelic and English ,perhaps Gaelic should be the second official language as it has become endangered ?
French is nowhere near extinct ,but Gaelic is?
This has nothing to do with endangered languages it has everything to do with cultural engineering,otherwise native languages would be protected at the costs of billions and enforced thought the land.
Pierre the separatist ,your interest is only for self preservation of your culture ,what of the many Scots and Irish that have lost their Gaelic but at last it wasn’t the state’s problem it was because they did not teach it to their following generations .
So should the state enforce the original second language ,no that would not be fair as well ,but it was for them to teach it to their children.
Pierre if your language dies out ,it is not the government who is at fault ,it the lack of population growth as well as YOU NOT TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN.
Do not put blame on the English my English hater ,take accountability many cultures survive within Canada that teach their young and yet are not artificially supported like the FRENCH.
Take accountability for your own culture dont expect others to do it!
@ Stella,
I only quoted what you wrote on Jan 8th. 2013 at 4:26p.m.
“one must speak both official languages in this country French and english”
You also failed to capitalize the word ENGLISH
Like I said before, where is the mistake here, it is your words not mine, for all to see.
Everyone can go to the date you posted it, please see above.
regards,
curly
@ curly Jan, 10:41 am
The FLQ waus almost a half century ago and Tudeau was not Québec. He was Canada. and in Canada you have to have proof to condemn people. The FLQ members were hunted down arrested, tried, judjed and condemned accorded to the proof held against them.
I talk about distorting the facts and that’s exactly what you keep doing even after having been invited to read my jan 8, 8:46 post, that explains the true linguistic situation in Hull, Québec, and having been invited to discuss it, if you have any problems with what i say, really goes on in my town.
Freedom of speach should not be a free pass to lie and distort facts.
OH and by the way……I re-read my psot that curly brought up about you must be bilingual. If you take the time to check it out it was pertaining to jobs that are posted as “BILINGUAL ONLY” What I said was, if the criteria for employment says you must speak both offical languages of this country which is French and english……..then you must be bilingual and should not apply.
As usual, curly and his gang just take what they want to take out of a post to make us look bad!!!!!!
So Pierre….I am not wrong, they chose to take only one part of my psot like they always do **smile** So yorlik…..eat it up bud!! **smile**
Ed this is so funny……..here you are magnifying the ridiculousness of these freedom fighters and they just don’t get…….LMAO!!!
Interpretation of history is very different in Quebec then the rest of Canada.
It gets whitewashed ,like when the federal government was planning for the anniversary of the plains of Abraham and interests groups threatened with violence if it happened.
Well it was cancelled ,why ?History was still a little sensitive to deal with.
In the United States do people threaten if there is a civil war enactment ?No they embrace their history for they would not be the nation they are ,if not!
When Quebec separates -the books will be burning and new history will be developed and taught .