We’ve all wanted to go postal (all pun intended) at some time or another. The type of day where you regret even leaving your front door to face the day. The sort of day where you know that whatever you do, you just cannot make any headway nor win your cause in the least bit. We’ve all had those kinds of days whereby, ’ The Shirelles’ invented the song, “Mama Said” to describe them.
And so it was a normal, cool, crisp and sunny Northern Ontario morning last April whenever I left the house to mail a letter at the Post Office. I had not much to do that day; and figured I would take complete advantage of the time I had to run a few errands. My first step was the Post Office.
There was no lineup when I arrived and felt blessed that my luck was so far, so good. I was wrong though. As I approached the mid-age woman working behind the desk I greeted her and wished her a good morning and requested to purchase a stamp in the language of my choice, which happens to be English. She obliged by producing the stamp and not returning the greeting in English nor French. The remainder of our exchange during the few minutes had me requesting my service in English whereby her portion of the exchange was conducted in French.
Now, normally this situation wouldn’t be a problem for me as everyone knows I’m bilingual. But on this particular day, I couldn’t get over the fact that I showed absolutely no inclination at all as to being bilingual. Why wasn’t I served in English when clearly I greeted the worker in English upon the beginning of our exchange? Further, why didn’t the Postal Worker switch to English whenever I was communicating in said language? I could have switched to French but I decided not to. My idea in this decision had to do with the fact that I felt that the worker was obligated to provide me with the service in English simply because I was the customer. This would have been different if at any time she had informed me that she couldn’t speak English and would try to accommodate me by other means. One such solution she could have sought out would be to perhaps seek out the services of another Postal Worker to serve me if she didn’t speak English herself.
In any case, I didn’t complain. That is, I didn’t file a complaint at the Post Office. As an aside, I have come across instances like this a few dozen times during the course of business transactions with civil service workers throughout the years and even some in the private industry. And, after all was said and done, I never complained. I had simply grown accustomed to situations like the one above and there is an argument to be made that I had become somewhat conditioned by these scenarios over the years.
Until now…
Perhaps it’s my newfound sense of fairness and pride that has awakened within me during these past two years. Perhaps now that I’m a little longer in the tooth, I have decided that I no longer will take things lying down as it were.
I’m tired…
It’s one thing to learn a minority language and to enjoy the privileges of being able to read, write and speak in French. But for what purpose and intent? And to who’s benefit is it that I am bilingual? Myself or to those whom I communicate with who have French as a first language? I can honestly state that being bilingual hasn’t furthered my career options nor has it had the desired effect of garnishing career advancement opportunities for me in the job that I do have. Moreover, I get the feeling that being bilingual for many of us Anglophones simply equates to making it easier for the Francophones to not have to learn English in order to communicate with us – such as in daily merchant transactions.
Enough…
It was with all of these thoughts swirling within my consciousness that April day that I made the conscientious decision to file a complaint with Canada’s, ‘Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages’. Before doing so, however, I ensured that I had a valid complaint to begin with and checked out the ‘Filing a Complaint’ section, sub-section, ‘In what situations can I file a complaint’. After reviewing the information, I determined that I did in fact have a valid complaint and filed an online complaint the day of my Post Office visit and an initial response was forthcoming from a representative within a week of filing the complaint.
The representative advised me that in order to solve the dilemma of what had occurred an investigation would take place as to the incident itself. Having said that, keep in mind that my complaint was well documented and filed only after a few hours of the incident taking place. Everything that happened was written succinctly on the initial report!
So, after e-mail and playing telephone tag to which more than a half dozen e-mails and a half dozen telephone calls were sent between myself and the representative detailing what had occurred; I emphasized and re-emphasized that I wanted only one question answered – and that was the following:
Why, was I spoken to in French whenever I clearly communicated in English?
All of this to say that as month 3 was coming around the corner subsequent to the initial incident; I was informed that the investigation was completed and that the results would soon be forthcoming. I have a few questions as to this entire affair after having gone through this experience. One being why haven’t I been provided with a response yet after 3 months? Certainly this is a cut and paste situation?
Why?
Exactly what justifies the creation of an, “Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages” to begin with. As of 2011, there were 518 complaints that the office dealt with having to do with language issues. On October 16, 2012 a Globe and Mail article reported that,
“Almost half of the 518 complaints came from the area around Ottawa and adjacent Gatineau, Que., …” (http://www.theglobeandmail.
Are Canadian taxpayers being led to believe that 518 language-related complaints warrant a full-time staff being paid civil service wages to investigate this? I cannot help but comment that more work is done during an 8 hour shift by a half dozen or less call centre employees who themselves individually handle on average a little more than 100 calls a day. It seems as though by comparing stats, we’re not exactly getting a great bang for our buck. So, I would argue that what we have here is but another example of government incompetence; a type and kind of federal government language police make-work project that our taxes are paying for.
And I’ll say this much. We already have a set of language police in this country. We don’t require the services of another; let alone the foundational Office quebecois de la langue francaise.
Ask yourselves this much: Will it take over 3 months to solve your next computer or cell phone issue by someone making minimum wage? Probably not. So why would something so trivial take so long to conclude by someone being paid so much?
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@HftT
Your convoluted sense of —
let’s argue semantics
— type of long winded arguments DO NOT really impress anyone of any significance.
Anyone but Stella that is, who remains seemingly multi orgasmic since you entered her arena.
But, seriously impressing the likes if *s* is something an 8 year old could do with the right colored crayon and 12 good words strung together.
The facts are — the facts — They are irrefutable.
We could banter all day, all week or all month long about whether statistics can be used for this, or not used for that and that will afford you your soap box of arguing semantics but, will NOT accomplish anything else. Well, except to help further enamor a person with a cold heart and little realistic humanity to speak of, to you.
I for one, care not to march down that path.
“Solution:
1) Goodbye Quebec – The French have tried two times to say good bye to Canada
2) Abolish ALL language laws in Canada – The French are the ONLY race to have language laws in Canada
3) One official language; ENGLISH – Just as the French have done in Quebec with French. (A province btw)
4) ANY second language is an asset – Something the French are too fearful of allowing
5) Provide translation services as needed – Something else the French are too fearful of allowing
Pretty darn simple!”
I have purposely quoted EVERYTHING above
so you don’t try and make the convoluted argument that I have left something out.
And please, either don’t reply at all or leave out the, “oh, look who’s long winded eh?
About this post and how it is long winded. Blah blah blah . That kind of banter is for children.”
I am not going to waste my time arguing semantics with someone who seems to wish to do so on an ongoing basis.
Black is white blah blah blah. I never said this, I said that… Blah blah blah…
There many examples of you doing this including the one where by the only difference was 4 or 5 words that I left out which REALLY DID NOT change the meaning of what was quoted one bit but yet, you seem to feel the need to argue the semantics of that one as well.
You are indeed “full of” sh* oops, I mean, full of words and obviously “full of” *** time on your hands as well but, for someone with so many words, you seem to say VERY LITTLE of substance.
Your reply was …
“WOW.. I agree it’s pretty simple if your a simpleton.
RADICAL Oppression…IS THIS WHAT LFA or FLAP or
SEPERATISTS is about? what kind of fairness is this..”
No, it is all pretty darn simple if you are dealing with a people and a province that has..
— Arbitrarily decided that they can treat the English people who live in “that province” (which btw is their own country) like dirt just because they have taken control of “that province.” (They are now trying to take control of the ROC in the same manner as well)
— Altered history to suit its own needs (and, have somehow convinced themselves that “the altered version” IS REAL.)
— Arbitrarily decided that the province of Quebec “BELONGS TO THEM” including drawing new imaginary borders wherever they see fit. (I assume this has something to do with that imaginary history they think is REAL.
— The list of other things is long and does not all need repeating as they have all been brought to the light in this forum over and over again.
“Who are you?”
Who am I you ask? I’ll tell you who I am…
I am a proud English / French Canadian citizen who is standing up for the English side of this countries historical FACT.
No amount of — preventing statues from being erected or stopping battle re-enactments from taking place.
will change historical fact that, no matter how much the French whine and TRY to alter or change history in any way shape or form in order to suit their side of this they will, non the less, never be able to “truthfully do so,” as the historical record of what transpired in Canadian history is just that,
— The historical record of WHAT TRANSPIRED — — PERIOD —
“Do you suffer from the Robin Hood syndrome?
REMOVE from the FRENCH TO GIVE TO THE ENGLISH.”
These types of backward arguments that constantly come from “your side” of this “debate” are in LARGE part the crux of the problem. The constant mantra that the French somehow either, choose to completely forget (or perhaps, are so damn brainwashed they actually don’t know any better and simply “reverse things” according to how they HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED when arguing this topic) are just plain annoying.
You know, similar to how annoying it is to hear Marois (or any of the thousands of brainwashed French) saying, “Ottawa has mistreating Quebec for years.” & “Quebec pays more into the feds than they take out.”
Poor Marois and the French…
All those billions of Canadian tax payer dollars in transfer money—
and more billions spent for bilingualism (Frenchification)
— of mistreatment. Must be tough.
GET IT STRAIGHT WILL YOU.
The crucial FACTS — you know, facts like the British defeated the French –
France ceded Canada — ALL OF CANADA — to the British. Which incidentally MEANS ( I know, another FACT) that “the people” on the land (yes, — ALL of Canada — ) which was ceded are supposed to become loyal subjects to the victor, yet again, another area where the British could have forced the issue BUT… Gave in to the incessant whining of the French and let them keep their language and culture. YES. Stella.. “LET THEM KEEP” Remember, we are talking about the 17th & 18th century. A time where people killed each other for less. Just the way it was back then so we MUST be factual and of historical mind when remembering that era.
No, you can’t go and apply what you feel now to how things were done back then. That’s one of those French things you like to try to do, WHICH IS NOT REALITY AND NOT ALLOWED.
And no, I WILL NOT put that to rest as it is panicle to refuting your lame argument that somehow (within context) the French deserve — ANYTHING AT ALL — HERE IN THIS COUNTRY.
Therefore, given the FACT that THEY ARE A DEFEATED LOT, they (contextually speaking) “deserve” ONLY what the English — allow them to have.—plain and simple.
This is where this OTHER FACT comes in. The fact that the English had feelings and empathy for those they defeated. This was (yes, Stella, it was) indeed a noble act has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH why we find ourselves in this situation today.
Imagine for a moment, a ruthless victor cared nothing about anything or anyone… Where would the few French who remained after their defeat be now had this been the case? Be honest.
Yeah, that’s right… Exactly. We wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Again, be honest, “IF” — A HUGE IF — if this were completely the “other way round” YOU, and the Stella’s would be the VERY first to be calling for the “physical annihilation” of the defeated English who “don’t know their — defeated place — under the victorious French.”
If the French choose not to be humble in defeat then that shows much more about their character than that of the English who did not wipe them out when they could have and had the chance to do so.
But, as has become obvious when dealing with the French,
Given the type of people the French have shown themselves to be with their
“we don’t care that we were defeated and could have been annihilated. We’re here now, so there” type attitude,
any new adversary would be wise to never to be as gracious and give them any hint of a second chance — O)r, for that matter try to accept their pleas for “bilingualism” which are ACTUALLY tantamount to a smoke and mirrors game where by French ends up as the ONLY language in the end.
“ARE YOU FOR REAL. THIS IS YOUR DEFINITION OF FAIR .
YOUR PASSPORTS SHOULD BE REVOKED”
Once again, the defeated speaking from the podium of the victor. How arrogant.
”FOR TERORIZING AND OBSTRUCTION OF PEACEFUL
EXISTENCE ON UNSUSPECTING CANADIANS.”
The only “terrorizing” that HAS — EVER — BEEN DONE in this country was by the French. And further more, the only “obstruction of peaceful existence” has also only ever been orchestrated by THE FRENCH.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAMseEC0vhA&hd=1
PLEASE, get the FACTS STRAIGHT. There is plenty of proof out there that I am sure someone of your abilities can find EVEN with your warped bias.
What the English are doing now is called “retaliating.” There is a clear definition of this and you will find that it is a action that takes PLACE – AFTER – someone has been aggressed upon. AND NOT something done on a whim, or for simple pleasure. As a matter of fact, I for one, take ZERO pleasure in the absolute need that has arisen to put a COMPLETE STOP to what is tantamount “a French take over” with regard to a situation that I originally thought was a wonderful idea where by this country could have “SOME” French coexistence. But, as with everything else they have shown in their character, the French can’t settle for “coexistence and equality” THEY WANT IT ALL. They want French first, French dominant and French only.”
And THAT — IS NOT ACCEPTABLE —
“AND YOU CALL YOURSELVES CANADIANS SHAME ON YOU!”
The epitome of self-aggrandizing and arrogance yet again. You must either have a large shoe size or a VERY small member.
”What kind of decent and sensible human being propagates this kind RIDICULOUS HATRED.”
Once again, PLEASE GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT. The only hatred that is being “propagated” is from the French with laws that “put the English in their place” as the French phrase it in their warped French kind of way.
“And don’t you DARE blame your VIEWS on QUEBEC. We are in CANADA. YOUR VIEWS ARE YOUR OWN CREATION AND RESPOSIBILITIES. DON’T BLAME QUEBEC. They didn’t force you to be bigots. You became.
Yeah, just like the attacker does not force the defender to defend. RIGHT !!!
Once again, pointing the finger at a people who have simply decided to finally “re-act” after years of putting up with the ACTUAL and ONLY bigotry in all of this.
In the “old days” you and your kind often used the word “bigot” to dissway any push back from the English. It may have worked to some degree back in the day but, it WON’T WORK NOW. “The proof is in the pudding” (as someone here is so fond of saying.)
The proof is also on the lips of the majority English speaking people (or will be soon) in this country AND in the news media as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79wTAFgnDjw&hd=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzS1KtTe3x0&hd=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5EYxb9K6oM&hd=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3t72RUYAls&hd=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E_BgxHZVFI&hd=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So4E9xkUqfs&hd=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVXsudl-7NY&hd=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBz6fce9Sw8&hd=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFMwCVqvM38&hd=1
And these are only but a few FACTUAL direct examples from the Canadian media.
It is NOT a case where by the English just woke up one morning and “decided” to take a stand and speak against what is happening. This is “a direct” response to the unfair attempt to domination that the French have undertaken and have been working at for many years now.
The English “took it” at first, likely out of a sense of (in my opinion over the top) guilt for having done what every country was doing “IN THAT ERA” but, the French, being of that genetic make up, took advantage of a people that actually gave them a chance and felt that guilt which, as I pointed out previously, heralds MUCH more positive connotations about the character of the English than that of the character of the French, let me tell you
Vivre le CANADA libre — of the French. Their actions have forced our hand & we have had it…
Let them keep Quebec according to the original boundaries and let Canada be free of the idea that it is somehow necessary for a majority Anglophones to learn French JUST TO PLEASE the French.
It is no longer an “agreed to” concept.
Oh, and remember, have a great French only
– in the “new nation de la vieux province du Quebec” –
type day.
PS: No reply necessary or expected. 🙂
Highlander
July 27, 2013 at 11:37 am
“Explain to me how you find this data inaccurate and misleading information? -it is the present documentation that the separatists plan on implementing in Quebec.”
Until I have an amended copy of Bill 14 at my disposal I can’t confirm on the accuracy of it’s content. I’m not questioning the data. I’m referring to the inaccurate statement that this is LAW. It’s not “new legislation” that’s inaccurate.
“Bill 14 has new legislation that violates the charters search and seizure (section 8 under legal right) without a warrant !!!” Highlander July 23, 2013 at 12:44 pm
Got to go now, my Sand box is waiting!
Holy Jumpin’, Kilroy! You’re gonna blow a gasket if you keep this up. Do you have any hobbies or anything to get your mind off this crazy treadmill?
@hftt
I’m sorry we’re my rights getting in way of your bigotry. ..
Gotta go & get back to my ghetto
******smile*******
Hey I think I found the solution to the problem;
Referendum baby.. Quebec needs to conform to our Canadian democracy or take the door!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/diane-bederman/quebec-canada_b_3646036.html
@ Edudyorlik
The best response yet to what is happening regarding the English /french issues in Canada.
You are to be applauded sir, absolutely terrific . Please forward a copy to all members of parliament and every news paper and outlet in the nation, it is that good.
@concerned citizen RE: POST on 2 July 27, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Great article CC2. Brilliant, just brilliant…
YEssssssss… The world is indeed beginning to see.
What a superb article by: Diane Weber Bederman at the Huffington Post.
“It’s time to demand that Quebec follow the laws of the rest of Canada or we should hold a referendum to decide if Canada wants Quebec to remain in the Dominion.”
Hungry for the Truth….
July 27, 2013 at 1:31 pm
“Until I have an amended copy of Bill 14 at my disposal I can’t confirm on the accuracy of it’s content. I’m not questioning the data. I’m referring to the inaccurate statement that this is LAW. It’s not “new legislation” that’s inaccurate.”
OMG you really have your head in the sand like the ostrich that does’t want to see the reality .
Now I Know why you go to your sandbox to tuck your head deeply in after stating your comments.
No matter the scenario this is what is proposed ,If we had legislation that that stated that all Jews where to be deported ..you would state oh its not passed yet and go to your sandbox and hide your head again?
The whole point is that the separatist are introducing this legislated garbage that clearly is very ethnocentric and demeans minorities! To not speak up on it this legislated oppression speaks volumes of yourself so go hide with your head in your sandbox .
Behavior and comments like yours is reminiscence of 1930’s Germany where many Germans hide in their own sand box while legislation promoted to oppress the Jews was introduced and passed .
Those same people hide in their sandbox tucking their head in the sand and wondered after where their neighbors disappeared to.
But go hide your head in your sandbox in that way you can avoid the reality as these policies get implemented ,but then you can say after sorry my head was in the sand.
“My roll as Secretary of State of Canada is first and foremost to ensure that my French compatriots in Canada feel with deep conviction, as I do, that this is their country and that it reflects their image”. “I too had some difficult years as a politician; I’m still having them, in fact, because everything we undertake and everything we are doing to make Canada a French state is part of a venture I have shared for many years with a number of people”. “You know the idea, the challenge, the ambition of making Canada a French country both inside and outside Quebec — an idea some people consider a bit crazy, is something a little beyond the ordinary imagination”. – Serge Joyal, Secretary of State – Page 2 ‘ENOUGH’ by J.V. Andrew. – Serge Joyal – Now in the Senate.
More B.S. for all those who think we cannot see the contents of this quote in action.
Amazing how my last post got a negative vote in no time.
Another thumbs down for this one?
“There is no way two ethnic groups in one country can be made equal before the law….and to say it is possible is to sow the seeds of destruction”. Pierre Trudeau,
Jurgen July 28, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Right on there Jurgen.
Did anyone notice the Serve Joyal secretary of state did not say bilingual country but a French state .
Hense Quebec unilingual French and the rest of Canada bilingual.
Bilingual today French tomorrow.
Doesn’t reality suck.
@Jurgen
RE: POST on July 28, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Great post Jurgen. I have read that before and as you know, there are other quotes that tell the same tale. My question to you and to all Anglophone Canadians is this.
When are we going to stop pretending that this whole thing is all about bilingualism and being fair and getting along in a nation as ONE.
For the last 35-40 years, i have witnessed the English trying everything possible to make it ONE and trying everything to be “accommodating” and ADD French to everyday life throughout all of Canada.
They passed laws to make French more accessible, they declared that all packaging in Canada be bilingual to help the French feel at home here and yet, despite any of this, the French not only don’t believe this is enough but, wherever they get their a leg up (a community area, or university or hospital) that entity becomes — NOT BILINGUAL — but French first or French only.
How is it that the English keep believing in the idea of “bilingualism” while it is VERY CLEAR that the French don’t and are doing everything they can (both inside and outside the province of Quebec) to do away with the English language and culture.
How is it that the English DO NOT SEE THIS as plainly as it appears that IT IS?
Dang right, Jurgen! And how about those Anglo parrots being deported from Quebec? Or the dogs using Montreal parks being required to understand French language commands? I hear that the Marois government in Quebec is spending almost $1 Billion to train pigeons and crows to attack anyone speaking English outside of their home! This craziness has to stop!
Fight on, Bro. We are all depending on you. I know you won’t let us down.
Furtz
July 28, 2013 at 5:03 pm
OMG….
That’s what this place needs a bit of good
humour. Thanks for the laugh.
LOL…. Well done……
Last time I tried this it was cut. So I’ll try again.
Did you hear about the Panda bears at the Toronto Zoo
They may be deported for not understanding English
commands. Immigration is set to look at deportation.
Let’s hope it goes well….
Yes Hungry. Humour isn’t always permitted on this site. It seems to depend on the mood of the moderator. Oops! Blocked again. Oh well.
Furtz I’ve moderated over 200 comments today. I don’t think I’ve seen you sign up as a subscriber yet. Don’t take CFN for granted or the freedom that exists on our site as per our Mission and Vision Statements please. The world owes nobody anything 🙂
@Admin
Jamie,
In fairness to you I must say that I have only had
2 comments blocked in all of the comments I posted.
You have been more than fair with your time and
moderations.
After I edited and found more appropriate softer
kinder words the 2 went through.
Thanks again.
HftT we try out best. CFN has now moderated 36,639 comments in 4.5 years. That’s a lot of man hours. We don’t use key word filters. Each comment has to be approved by humans. It’s why if people value CFN that we hope that they consider becoming Subscribers for as little as $25 per year.
Jamie,
Good point and well taken. And another good piece
of advise that will be taken under consideration…
Thank-You
Jamie…….$25.00 is very reasonable, actually very cheap.
Is there any way a person can subscribe anonymously.
I am sure I do not need to explain, the reason must be obvious by now why…..
Stella all they have to do is click our subscribe banners and pay via Paypal. If someone is that worried about their id then perhaps a have a friend or relative do it for them. We do not publish, sell, or use the names of any of our users or subscribers as that would be sleazy. We do email subscribers occasionally when we get free tickets and swag to give away or for our upcoming events.
Re Furtz:
Again you deny facts and statements made by those that set the wheels in motion…” Unilingual anglophones will be sentenced to a lifetime of job immobility”..Trudeau.
Ther is only one vision for this country and that is one where the fleur de Lis flies over our country.
There really is no other explanation when you look at the illegal actions taken by successive governments at all levels.
” Canada will be a French speaking country from coast to coast to coast and anyone opposed to this notion is oppossed to the best interests of Canada”…ambassador Cadieux in 1973 to the National Assembly.
The OLA and the charter of limited rights and subjective freedoms where created to propel this action.
@ Jurgen. That’s exactly the kind of BS that will keep people laughing at you and your cause. The impending Francophone invasion of Canada?! Yeah, sure. Quoting what one nut-bar said forty years ago isn’t gonna convince anybody of anything.
Stick to the issue of unfair hiring practices if you want to be taken seriously. Otherwise, you appear to be a bunch of attention-seeking fools who will say anything just to be noticed.
Yep….I agree Furtz.
Would you happen to know when the parliament rally is taking place and the BBQ? I’m getting the feeling they don’t want us there. How is one to support their cause if we are left in the dark? Sounds very clique to me.
Jurgen wrote: Ther is only one vision for this country and that is one where the fleur de Lis flies over our country
OMG Jurgen really……Why must the English freedom fighters go to extremes? My goodness if it wasn’t so pathetic your comment would be funny.
Furtz
July 29, 2013 at 7:36 am
“Yeah, sure. Quoting what one nut-bar said forty years ago isn’t gonna convince anybody of anything.”
Oh furtz there was more then one nut bar but a whole cabinet whose intentions were not in ALL of Canada ‘s .
Serge Joyal went on to say several dozen (nut bars) in very high positions whose intention was to make Canada a FRENCH NATION –
For all of his help in doing so SERGE Joyal was given a plum Senate posting.
“OMG Jurgen really……Why must the English freedom fighters go to extremes? My goodness if it wasn’t so pathetic your comment would be funny.”
Stella this is his viewpoint ,like its yours to dislike other cultures outside your own the difference is yours runs runs along racial and cultural lines.
There you go calling what someone says is pathetic …. what I find truly pathetic is that we have in the over 2 years still waiting for you to provide relevant information….oh that’s right you do not look up anything which you have stated on numerous occasions.
So if you look up nothing ,you provide no relevant data ,no research or information that would be relevant to the subject …..what are you really doing ******PROPAGANDA******AND *****PROPAGANDA******AND PROPAGANDA ***SMILE FOR MORE ***PROPAGANDA ****.
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Furtz, you really do not see what is going on. Take a look at the article in CFN today about the missing woman from Winchester. Are you OK with the OPP announcement in the French dominate position? How about people saying French first everywhere you shop or call even though English is very predominate? The list is increasing and the costs are rising while we see fewer fewer job possibilities for our young people. The young ones that just need one French course to get a grade 12, but are expected to be bilingual. The world has changed because of generous accommodation, I am broke, but hope your retirement is funded well.
Just get the government out of the language business and people will get along better.
@ Jurgen
What was the full context of ambassador Cadieux’s comment? Did he perhaps mean Canada as a French-speaking as well as English-speaking country? An admirable sentiment, if so, though not for the faint of heart and narrow of mind.
Why is it that so many of the anti-French posts on this endless thread remind me of the mindset behind the 1989 trampling of the Quebec flag in Brockville?
(Of course, you can just as easily find anti-English attitudes among the French, both justified and not. There are always willing recruits to bigotry and narrow-mindedness; c’est la vie. Doesn’t mean CFN posters have to join them.)
PJ Robertson
July 29, 2013 at 10:42 am
“Why is it that so many of the anti-French posts on this endless thread remind me of the mindset behind the 1989 trampling of the Quebec flag in Brockville?”
Last summer a separatist group in Montreal did the same thing with the Canadian Flag did you conveniently forgot that ?It was on numerous news agencies and LFA members posted it .
This spring the separatist in the subway decided as well to use the Queens image for a dart board to drum up support .
as you said:
“Of course, you can just as easily find anti-English attitudes among the French, both justified and not.”
Take not of the easily folks.
Eric, if your biggest concern is the order of languages used in a police statement, I’d say that you have a pretty good life. Or maybe a pretty sad life. Either way, I hope you never have to endure any serious life issues.
A practical application to language was originally proposed to all Canadians.
This “practical” notion was the pill that was swallowed.
We (who pay attention) see where this practical application has led.
PJ:
Cadieux was very clear that the French language will dominate.
The undertaking of this is “beyond the scope of ordinary Canadians”.
A bilingual (French first) Canadian complains about service and the money is literally thrown at them. A bilingual (English first) Canadian complains and NO ACTION is taken.
A drunken woman in NB gets pulled over and because the ticket is in English she pulls the woe is me, I’m a francophone, I don’t understand the ticket, and the charges are dropped.
Language complaint trumps drunk driving! In what civilized country is this allowed to happen. There is no linguistic application to drinking and driving. If you are drunk..you are drunk..go to jail..pay the fine.
I know that this ADVANTAGE is something you non-freedom fighters would never give up.
Would this happen the other way around?
I think not.
One country, one language…save billions.
BTW Stella:
You should look up the definition of a flag.
We already see the green and white fleur de lys in Eastern Ontario and more of them popping up in Ottawa. $125,000 each.
Money spent to signify your dominance.
Go ahead, Furtz…tell me it’s BS.
Furtz
July 29, 2013 at 11:27 am
“Eric, if your biggest concern is the order of languages used in a police statement”
Well what if that statement was in English in Quebec city?
Just saying ,imagine the ramifications if that happened!
Furtz, it takes 100 pennies to make a dollar. Each of these small inconsequential items are a penny.
Please send a dollar to
Get government out of the language business
PO Box 82.5% ROC Lane
HEL PME
@ Highlander
“did you conveniently forgot that?” (sic)
Good idea always to read the whole post. There’s bigotry and narrow-mindedness on both sides. No need to join in.
@ Jurgen. $125,000 per flag? Yup, my BS meter is off the scale.
My dominance? That’s hilarious! I’m an ex-Quebec Anglo with very limited ability to speak French. Carry on providing us with laughs.
@ Highlander. Cops in Quebec regularly issue bilingual statements. But don’t let facts interfere with your BS propaganda.
@ Eric. A big pat on the back for you for not making an asinine comment about the bilingual police release on that tragic story about the murdered woman.
Eric
July 29, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Great analogy .
But I have no money to give the SOCIALIST REGIME keeps taking it to fulfill their agenda’s .
pennies eh 76,000,000,000….76 billion of those pennies for french services language act -for that 4% of the population .
So 760 million for 4 % lets figure if all the population was allocated this : wow 19 billion yearly that would be enough to bankrupt Ontario …
….but its only pennies, ya right!
Please send a dollar to
Get government out of the language business
PO Box 82.5% ROC Lane
HEL PME
Love it!
PJ Robertson
July 29, 2013 at 1:46 pm
“Good idea always to read the whole post. There’s bigotry and narrow-mindedness on both sides. No need to join in.”
Yes I did read the whole post but there is a hellova lot more bigotry and narrow-mindedness in la belle province …
Did you see the recent Huffington post Article?Even Australia has had a number of different articles about that issue as well.
The world is a much smaller place thanks to multimedia and social media groups and the information on this behavior can no longer be quelled by mainstream media or government .
Vivre la internet the world is really watching Quebec (the new south Africa language apartheid).
Vivre la internet the world is really watching Quebec (the new south Africa language apartheid).
All of this condoned by our governments who fear for the vote status as apposed for their citizens.
Welcome language apartheid and our federal government encourages it ….welcome to vote buying form Quebec at the cost of English rights there.
Welcome to Canada’s reality and for the world to see!
Furtz, thanks for noticing, there is too much human suffering.
Jurgen, I remember reading how the French school board is supplying the Franco-Ontario flags for the monument on Water street near Race so it is still coming out of public funds.
The Franco Monument program is also funded big time by all taxpayers, those 60 or 80 foot poles must be 5,000 each even.
http://mondrapeaufranco.ca/
Bet the school board building tenants near St. Laurent Blvd. in Ottawa are ticked since a building went up and blocked the Franco Ontario flag view from the 417.
CLF, LFA members,
If it wasn’t really in their interests (some CFN commenters), why would they bother to make comments or to berate the group memberships of our organizations? (LFA, CLF) Our groups are simply advocating for fairness in hiring practices within the government and now increasingly in the private sector as well.
I don’t get involved in attempting to sideline the goals of government sponsored Franco organizations or even suggest that personal harm come to members and their families. There are people who have commented on CFN who have done so against LFA, CLF. I have never visited any Franco Ontarian Right’s Groups’ websites and commented negatively nor have I disrupted meetings such as some have with LFA meetings.
I find it frightening that there are those who are dead set against Representation by Population of which this is a democratic principle. Alas, the proof is in their commenting and actions.
The police have been notified due to numerous threatening actions and all of these comments and actions have been duly recorded by various authorities.
LFA has certainly shown due diligence in defending it’s own membership from anti-democratic bullying behaviours whether from individuals or representatives from Franco Language Rights Groups who have boldly interupted and caused disturbances in public meetings.
MORE. You want… MORRRRRRREE…
“The government of Canada has no right to promote English in Quebec”.
Gil Remillard
Minister for Inter-Governmental Affairs, 1988
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“Bilingualism is unthinkable for Quebec”.
Robert Bourassa, 1988
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“Quebec should have total control over immigration to make it clear to newcomers that the province is a francophone state, not a bilingual one. When you live in Quebec, you live in French”
Pauline Marois, leader of Parti Quebecois
Oh but, all you Anglo Quebecers… Be sure to pay your taxes eh… 🙂
You’re right Furtz. Why would anyone get all caught up in the petty and childish concepts of which language should be first or larger or…
Hey wait a second. That reminds me of something.
Hummm, what is that again? Oh yeah..
(3) the use of French as the language of work and as the language of internal communication;
(4) the use of French in the working documents of the enterprise, especially in manuals and catalogues;
(5) the use of French in communications with the civil administration, clients, suppliers, the public and shareholders except, in the latter case, if the enterprise is a closed company within the meaning of the Securities Act (chapter V-1.1);
(6) the use of French terminology;
(7) the use of French in public signs and posters and commercial advertising;
“The civil administration shall use only French in signs and posters, except where reasons of health or public safety require the use of another language as well.
In the case of traffic signs, the French inscription may be complemented or replaced by symbols or pictographs, and another language may be used where no symbol or pictograph exists that satisfies the requirements of health or public safety.
The Government may, however, determine by regulation the cases, conditions or circumstances in which the civil administration may use French and another language in signs and posters.
Oh but, never mind. It’s only one of those silly laws called, Charter of the French language.”
Have a nice day eh 🙂
and with that kilroy, anglos can prosper in Quebec with ease. Before printing anything kilroy, be sure and actually visit Québec. You badmouth it by going just word of mouth…go to vieux port montreal and order in english, go to Pointe-claire, Lachute, Vaudreuil, Kirkland… and on and on.
@Eric RE: POST on July 29, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Eric wrote, “Furtz, it takes 100 pennies to make a dollar. Each of these small inconsequential items are a penny.”
Please send a dollar to
Get government out of the language business
PO Box 82.5% ROC Lane
HEL PME
LoL .. hahahahahaaha… Priceless. That is too funny. ROTFL… hahahahahahaha… tee hee hee.. oh yeah… Good one Sir. I love it.
@ Cory Cameron. I sincerely hope that any threat is dealt with quickly and removed.
seems to me the issues are clear. quebec is a french nation, Canada and English nation.
2 nations, so have quebec get out of Canada.
If, as many quebecois and Ontario french nationalists feel, they are hard done by in Canada, then leave
What is the big deal here, go quebec and do your own thing.
You will not have to put up Canada and all the bad things that Canada has burdened quebec with. Have your own country and voila, problem solved.
Form the website…
“The University of Ottawa is contributing $ 100,000 to the community and provided another $ 100 000 required to allow this construction.
Oh yeah… Don’t forget the MEGA flag…
The community also collect another $ 25 000 to build a mega-flag on Lees,”
And it ACTUALLY goes on to say…
“clearly visible from the Queensway”
Put that in your BS pipe Furtz. Ought to last ya all day.
Good one Eric.
cory wrote: There are people who have commented on CFN who have done so against LFA, CLF.
There are people from LFA,CLF who have done so against the French also…..ongoing for 3 yrs now.
Is calling someone a dipshit acceptable to you, or is that alright because you belong to the LFA/CLF?
Don’t ever forget, THE ARCHIVES DON’T LIE.
cory wrote: I find it frightening that there are those who are dead set against Representation by Population of which this is a democratic principle.
Another democratic principle is free speech, something you have been fighting for the past 3 yrs.
In a democratic country and in a public forum opinions are allowed, whether they are right or wrong, it is only an opinion.
How one can assume that someone is dead set against Representation by Population when it was never said or even written is beyond belief.
Cory Cameron
July 29, 2013 at 3:57 pm
“The police have been notified due to numerous threatening actions and all of these comments and actions have been duly recorded by various authorities.”
Are you suggesting that the POLICE have been called and will RETALIATE against those that do not express support and share your views in separating a Country in the name of Language Fairness.
I have seen no evidence in the posted comments that suggest that you or your members have been threatened with any form of personal harm. I have seen no suggestion from any one that they have voiced intent or desire to inflict bodily harm to any one in this forum.
I’m a Canadian citizen and just like you, I equally have the right to express with just as much vibrancy, vividness and passion an opposing position to yours without THREAT of RETALIATION or INTIMIDATION.
How is your attempt to INTIMIDATE with POLICE INTERVENTION , any different to what so many in this community have found to be deplorable and callus attempt
from city Officials in use of their INTIMIDATION and SUPPRESSION tactics?
We have the RIGHT to voice our disagreement without wanting physical harm to someone!