We’ve all wanted to go postal (all pun intended) at some time or another. The type of day where you regret even leaving your front door to face the day. The sort of day where you know that whatever you do, you just cannot make any headway nor win your cause in the least bit. We’ve all had those kinds of days whereby, ’ The Shirelles’ invented the song, “Mama Said” to describe them.
And so it was a normal, cool, crisp and sunny Northern Ontario morning last April whenever I left the house to mail a letter at the Post Office. I had not much to do that day; and figured I would take complete advantage of the time I had to run a few errands. My first step was the Post Office.
There was no lineup when I arrived and felt blessed that my luck was so far, so good. I was wrong though. As I approached the mid-age woman working behind the desk I greeted her and wished her a good morning and requested to purchase a stamp in the language of my choice, which happens to be English. She obliged by producing the stamp and not returning the greeting in English nor French. The remainder of our exchange during the few minutes had me requesting my service in English whereby her portion of the exchange was conducted in French.
Now, normally this situation wouldn’t be a problem for me as everyone knows I’m bilingual. But on this particular day, I couldn’t get over the fact that I showed absolutely no inclination at all as to being bilingual. Why wasn’t I served in English when clearly I greeted the worker in English upon the beginning of our exchange? Further, why didn’t the Postal Worker switch to English whenever I was communicating in said language? I could have switched to French but I decided not to. My idea in this decision had to do with the fact that I felt that the worker was obligated to provide me with the service in English simply because I was the customer. This would have been different if at any time she had informed me that she couldn’t speak English and would try to accommodate me by other means. One such solution she could have sought out would be to perhaps seek out the services of another Postal Worker to serve me if she didn’t speak English herself.
In any case, I didn’t complain. That is, I didn’t file a complaint at the Post Office. As an aside, I have come across instances like this a few dozen times during the course of business transactions with civil service workers throughout the years and even some in the private industry. And, after all was said and done, I never complained. I had simply grown accustomed to situations like the one above and there is an argument to be made that I had become somewhat conditioned by these scenarios over the years.
Until now…
Perhaps it’s my newfound sense of fairness and pride that has awakened within me during these past two years. Perhaps now that I’m a little longer in the tooth, I have decided that I no longer will take things lying down as it were.
I’m tired…
It’s one thing to learn a minority language and to enjoy the privileges of being able to read, write and speak in French. But for what purpose and intent? And to who’s benefit is it that I am bilingual? Myself or to those whom I communicate with who have French as a first language? I can honestly state that being bilingual hasn’t furthered my career options nor has it had the desired effect of garnishing career advancement opportunities for me in the job that I do have. Moreover, I get the feeling that being bilingual for many of us Anglophones simply equates to making it easier for the Francophones to not have to learn English in order to communicate with us – such as in daily merchant transactions.
Enough…
It was with all of these thoughts swirling within my consciousness that April day that I made the conscientious decision to file a complaint with Canada’s, ‘Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages’. Before doing so, however, I ensured that I had a valid complaint to begin with and checked out the ‘Filing a Complaint’ section, sub-section, ‘In what situations can I file a complaint’. After reviewing the information, I determined that I did in fact have a valid complaint and filed an online complaint the day of my Post Office visit and an initial response was forthcoming from a representative within a week of filing the complaint.
The representative advised me that in order to solve the dilemma of what had occurred an investigation would take place as to the incident itself. Having said that, keep in mind that my complaint was well documented and filed only after a few hours of the incident taking place. Everything that happened was written succinctly on the initial report!
So, after e-mail and playing telephone tag to which more than a half dozen e-mails and a half dozen telephone calls were sent between myself and the representative detailing what had occurred; I emphasized and re-emphasized that I wanted only one question answered – and that was the following:
Why, was I spoken to in French whenever I clearly communicated in English?
All of this to say that as month 3 was coming around the corner subsequent to the initial incident; I was informed that the investigation was completed and that the results would soon be forthcoming. I have a few questions as to this entire affair after having gone through this experience. One being why haven’t I been provided with a response yet after 3 months? Certainly this is a cut and paste situation?
Why?
Exactly what justifies the creation of an, “Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages” to begin with. As of 2011, there were 518 complaints that the office dealt with having to do with language issues. On October 16, 2012 a Globe and Mail article reported that,
“Almost half of the 518 complaints came from the area around Ottawa and adjacent Gatineau, Que., …” (http://www.theglobeandmail.
Are Canadian taxpayers being led to believe that 518 language-related complaints warrant a full-time staff being paid civil service wages to investigate this? I cannot help but comment that more work is done during an 8 hour shift by a half dozen or less call centre employees who themselves individually handle on average a little more than 100 calls a day. It seems as though by comparing stats, we’re not exactly getting a great bang for our buck. So, I would argue that what we have here is but another example of government incompetence; a type and kind of federal government language police make-work project that our taxes are paying for.
And I’ll say this much. We already have a set of language police in this country. We don’t require the services of another; let alone the foundational Office quebecois de la langue francaise.
Ask yourselves this much: Will it take over 3 months to solve your next computer or cell phone issue by someone making minimum wage? Probably not. So why would something so trivial take so long to conclude by someone being paid so much?
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Correction:Highlander
July 10, 2013 at 9:34 am
It goes to say….because one has some form of education doesn’t mean they are smart!
You got that right highlander, you have proven that many times.
Speaking to this concept:
“Fortunately this mind set affects a small minority of the insecure and does not portray the better class within the same group.”
I would add. Under normal situation without decades past negativeness that comes to ones mind when these kinds of situations arise, YES…
These kinds of “interactions” on their own would NOT bother the better class.
But, add in those layers involving years of arrogance and negative treatment of a group of Canadian citizens (English people living in the “province” Quebec) whose only transgression was that they happened to be living in an area where the French begin their take over of this country, “brings so much more to the table,” so to speak.
This negative treatment has been accepted in some odd way throughout MANY decades (even by the very English themselves who were the ones being affected in a negative way) on some level as something that was sort of “OK” because it was “in the name of” so called, “allowing the French to rescue their language and culture from a self imagined state of being lost to assimilation.” A state incidentally that has NEVER really been proven or even shown to be based in TRUTH.
Therefore, after years and years of the French showing even “the better class” of English people dealing with this French arrogance in their — home base — area where THEY are they majority this kind of contempt, can have that added element that takes it to another level.
@ edudyorlik. You have yet to mention the gangs of Franco thugs that roam the streets of Quebec and molest Anglo children and throw them off bridges to their deaths while the Franco police look the other way. Or the fact that deceased Anglos cannot be legally buried in Quebec cemeteries, and must be shipped out of province for proper burial.
The demand for French is nothing new folks. When I was born in 51 I had two much older sisters of 20 years and 16 years my senior and in those days back in the 50’s in Cornwall French was a necessity. About Québec it has always been a Francophone province and always will be. Cornwall has always insisted on having French.
Jamie you said that people have to converse at the advanced level in French in Cornwall and elsewhere and yes that is true. Can you imagine someone having to speak to someone and cannot speak back in return in the proper language.
I will tell you all something that happened to my husband yesterday. He wanted to straighten certain things out with Rogers here in Ottawa and of course my husband was speaking English. My husband spoke to three different people on the phone and the first two could hardly speak English since they were Pakistani or Indian of India and it wasn’t until he reached a third person who could speak English. My husband has to fill out a report on how he was treated and he is going to tell them his feelings. This is to tell you that if you cannot converse properly in English and French then you cannot do the job.
My daughter’s last supervisor was Chinese and was extremely intelligent and got on everyone’s nerves and my daughter was used to that kind of behavior since her dad is like that at home. My daughter would help with the translation from English to French on the phone to Montreal including by e-mail for the supervisor.
Yes the language of business is English including the airline pilots when they speak they have to speak English regardless of their nationality or country of origin. French is also in demand and is vital especially because this is an eastern area that communicates with France and other countries who use a lot of French.
One other thing which is true is that the people of Québec should learn English just like the English should learn French. Québec has a type of French that other nations cannot understand at all and does sound humorous at times and it is a mishmash of English and God knows what else mixed in but people have to learn the good French and not that slang.
It is of utmost importance to know both languages. Yes French is difficult to learn and you have to really put your mind to it and always speak it. That is the only way to keep up including watching French TV of France – not the Canadian French TV that is all mucked up.
Furtz…..LOL
The children that have died in hospitals because they weren’t spoken to in English, that also is terrible.. So many sad sad stories. I can’t stop crying!!!
I am hoping the “freedom fighters” settle this soon. We can’t go on living in a world of discrimination whereas the majority in this country are being treated so badly.
It make me very happy to see such a phalanx of determined patriots coming together.
Here’s an example of social engineering. Where is the effort to extend the same programs to English speaking countries? And why too, is the emphasis on attracting French-speaking newcomers to Canada and not everyone else?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KQlxn7NreU
Jules wrote:
JULES wrote: This is to tell you that if you cannot converse properly in English and French then you cannot do the job. ABSOLUTELY JULES.
Many are upset when encountering that problem and it seems it’s becoming more prominent.
Soon we will have to know 3 or 4 languages. I noticed on a package from the grocery store a third language….Spanish.
The world is changing quickly, we need to adapt.
So, after now more than 3 months of not having a conclusion to my case, should I contact the Office of the Official Languages Commissioner?
Any thoughts?
@Highlander
July 10, 2013 at 9:26 am
“Well,well glad you brought that up -french services language act was passed by the Ontario government in Nov 1986 in the middle of the night and with 55 legislators out of 125 in french first ……interesting .”
Well, Well,…You are again proving your disdain for the LAW. You have the right to disagree with them and even question their existence. But, you can not just blatantly disregard their existence. And, as a result engage in a contemptuous attack on those of which the law encompasses It’s protection.
“Now all courts across Ontario must be bilingual even in say Windsor were they represent far less then 1%.
Imagine the costs of implementing this !”
Well..well.. The City of Windsor has 214.255 residents of which 3.7% (2009 Stats Can) approximation 60,000 french-speaking. The Languages Act accords this minority of French-speaking, services in their respectful language.
Now, I know how you’re disgusted with the existence of this law, and go to extremes in elaborating your suggesting that the only way to gain fairness for the Majority is to banish to use of French. It’s just a minority some say 100 others say 5,000,000 and others say 10,000,000. The one thing I do agree with, no
matter the NUMBERS are, they are a minority, and it does cost all taxpayers money.
As a matter of fact, Canada’s 10 provinces spend nearly $900 million annually providing bilingual government services. Including the $1.5 billion the federal government spends on bilingualism, Canadian taxpayers are footing an annual bill
$2.4 billion for bilingual services, a cost of $85 per Canadian. And I agree this is all for the FRENCH Minority.
But, is it because they cost all taxpayers money that they should be banished? Is it because a certain group of unhappy campers can’t get the DREAM job unless they learn French.? Because if that is the logic to your the argument than I strongly disagree and find it to be unfounded, discriminatory not to mention
self serving to a cause.
There are other minorities in Canada, that at the end of the day cost all of us monies from the communal fund. Is that to say I should deprive them of their Chartered Constitutional Rights because I as a taxpayer gain nothing in return?One such minority that comes to mind that are protected by Constitutional Right
are 4,417,870 of Canadians =14.3% that are protected by The Canadian Disability Act.
The cost associated to providing the Retro fitting of buildings, the Building Code requirements to be in compliance with The Ontario Accessibility Act Laws . Municipalities required to have Handicap Accessibility in Transit Operations/ and a separate Transportation Service for the disabled. Someone was complaining that the French had their own bus.
The Courts hiring of a “Courthouse Accessibility Coordinator.” And that are just some of the cost.
And no one is claiming Unfairness to the Majority. No, I think this is where we shine as a Country. Although, for the majority of us, we are fortunate not to require the services or the protection of this law. Nonetheless, we are rewarded Collectively on the principals of fostering inclusion for all it’s Citizens. We stand together and are Proud of building a reputation of being a FAIR, and CARING in a Democratic Country.
Now I’m sure, someone will claim disparity of my comparative assertions of minorities. Some will claim it’s not the same. Some will defend on the premise that many disable individuals are thwarted in their ability to change. Some will say French-speaking Canadians, can change and learn English. That might be a fair
statement but so is the English speaking Canadians can learn FRENCH.
Not respecting French speaking Canadian Constitutional Right and advocating that the use of French should be abolished, in my view is the application of a double standard. A callus attempt by some, at promoting EXCLUSION, FRENCH SEPARATION, and
DISRESPECT towards EQUAL RIGHTS for all Canadian minority and majorities.
If I disregarded the existence of the Ontario Accessibility Act and The Canadian Disability Act because I do not personally agree with them, or they do not benefit me individually, should I advocate that the only way we can regain fairness for the Majority is to eradicate all disable Canadian Citizens and strip them of their Right? Because after all it’s costing all of us money and we have no personal gain! And they are not the MAJORITY.
NO! My preference is to be respectful, and aware that although they are a minority they have Rights to INCLUSION and FAIRNESS as an Equal Canadian.
Until you have been successful at building a stronger alliance to your cause of French Separation, and French eradication, I’m afraid until then your going to have accept that The Languages Law is LAW. No matter what spin you put to the NUMBERS.
But there is HOPE, Democracy Week starts on the Hill on September 13,2013 you might have better chance there at getting the Language’S Act repealed.
Who knows?…..Maybe.
@jules
July 10, 2013 at 4:40 pm
“One other thing which is true is that the people of Québec should learn English just like the English should learn French. Québec has a type of French that other nations cannot understandat all and does sound humorous at times and it is a mishmash of English and God knows what else mixed in but people have to learn the good French and not that slang.”
I most definitely agree that Quebecers should learn English. But, at the same time we should be fair and not to put all Quebecers in the same basket.
Did you follow the Train derailment in Lac Megantic last night.
I watched it on CTV. Lisa Laflamme was live and interviewed
Quebecker in English. And they did not look angry for speaking
English. “Dans le fin fond des bois du Quebec a 250 km de Montreal.” “Anglais…WOW c’est engouragent”
It’s a tragic event for them. But they showed strong Solidarity and conviction to rebuild. Bonne Chance Lac Megantic.
Hello jules, you wrote:
“One other thing which is true is that the people of Québec should learn English just like the English should learn French. Québec has a type of French that other nations cannot understand at all and does sound humorous at times and it is a mishmash of English and God knows what else mixed in but people have to learn the good French and not that slang.”
Why should either the English or French people of Canada learn each other’s languages and cultures? Should individuals not be given the freedom to choose what sort(s) of languages, customs and cultures they follow?
Canadian and American language could be considered ‘slang’ as well by proper English standards but is still spoken by millions?
“It is of utmost importance to know both languages. Yes French is difficult to learn and you have to really put your mind to it and always speak it. That is the only way to keep up including watching French TV of France – not the Canadian French TV that is all mucked up.”
I don’t know about Canadian French TV being all ‘mucked up’ as you describe. I still enjoy a variety of French television shows from time to time (All Canadian content). Bye Bye series, La Petite Vie series (I have all on DVD). I still don’t understand all the rage about La Tete a Claque? I don’t think it’s all that good; but others do.
As far as the importance of knowing French – it’s only important because of our skewed laws that put the emphasis on this minority language. I do agree it’s important to know French if living in Quebec though.
@ Cory. The “social engineering” is simply a plot designed by the evil “powers that be” to keep your panties in a knot in perpetuity. It seems to be working successfully so far. Have you ever considered getting into boating or motorcycling or playing guitar, or anything that you could enjoy to get your mind off how unfair life has been to you? It really is sad to see someone so wrapped up in self-pity. You are so lucky to be born and living in our great country, but all you seem to be able to do is bitch and whine non-stop. Is life really that unbearable in north Ontario? Is it really a problem for you that there are lots of Francophones sharing your turf up there? Does it really offend your sensibilities to see a French language sign by highway 11 near Timmins? Sorry Pal, but you have some issues you need to deal with.
@David Oldham
July 10, 2013 at 7:51 am
“While everyone has to interpret for themselves, our personal bias is indeed reflected in the result. I read and interpret that Rosie was merely suggesting the lunacy of Richard’s logic.”
“While we all enjoy the concept of having certain undeniable rights when certain individuals mistake wants for rights they communicate a sense of entitlement. This results in stereotyping an entire group as arrogant and ignorant of the needs of others.”
When “Illogical lunatic Richard” invokes his Constitutional Right he’s expressing confusion over his wants and his sense of entitlement. And because he ask to be served in the Language of his choice, his action results that Richard and an entire group as being “arrogant and Ignorant of the needs of others”.
And in no way am I trying to be Bias, but in an objective perspective trying to understand. Was the LTE published above not about Cory Cameron not having been respected on his Constitutional Right when he greeted the Postal Worker in English? And he felt violated because she spoke French. So violated that he lodged an official complaint?
Now, can you help me understand on an objective level the difference? My objective analysis leads me to conclude that both individual are invoking the same protection for their onstitutional Right, based on my interpretation of the posted comments I can only conclude that some Bias was expressed.The only differences I find are the following;
The first is “Illogical lunatic Richard, arrogant, ignorant
and disrespectful to the needs of others.” That believes he has
a sense of entitlement.
The other is Mr Cory Cameron that invoked the same Constitutional Right before a Postal Worker …….
Cory Cameron
July 10, 2013 at 5:04 pm
“So, after now more than 3 months of not having a conclusion to my case, should I contact the Office of the Official Languages Commissioner?
Any thoughts?”
I’ll let you interpret and come to your own conclusions.
Through Richard under the bus and save Cory.
It’s a Right…. The entitlement is in the perceived interpretation .
Amazingly, how it’s true that it’s in the interpretation, because we obviously interpret access to a Constitutional Right differently.
IT”S the LAW for ALL, not just those that share our views or causes.
“For the better educated”
I think many “better educated” have pondered the question of health care and decided Bilingualism as a Best Practice Policy in regards to hiring nursing staff.
I will not address the condescending child like behavior of Stella and Furtz as thier only intention there is to agitate and they have never brought any relevant information or backed up their statements with FACTS.
and as furtz said “Sorry Pals, but you have some issues you need to deal with,Stella and furtz.
Hungry for the Truth….
July 10, 2013 at 5:15 pm
“Well, Well,…You are again proving your disdain for the LAW. You have the right to disagree with them and even question their existence. But, you can not just blatantly disregard their existence. And, as a result engage in a contemptuous attack on those of which the law encompasses It’s protection.”
“IF A LAW IS UNJUST ,A MAN IS NOT ONLY RIGHT TO DISOBEY IT;
HE IS OBLIGATED TO DO SO” THOMAS JEFFERSON
“go to extremes in elaborating your suggesting that the only way to gain fairness for the Majority is to banish to use of French.”
I see you are learning from Stella and providing propaganda .I follow a group that has never or will ever advocate to banish french language .
Language Fairness For All has advocated for representation by population if language laws are to exist.
Lie, twist ,turn and warp that information to suit your agenda .What little respect I had is no longer there you are as racists as your brethren Stella.
Stick to facts rather then propaganda :
“NO! My preference is to be respectful, and aware that although they are a minority they have Rights to INCLUSION and FAIRNESS as an Equal Canadian.”
Tell that to your brethren Stella and Richard who agree with segregation and your Quebec brethren who DO NOT TREAT THEIR MINORITIES FAIRLY .
Hint not so hungry for the truth -wake up to the truth and stop talking out of both sides of your mouth .
“I’m afraid until then your going to have accept that The Languages Law is LAW. No matter what spin you put to the NUMBERS”.
So stats Canada is wrong there not so hungry for the truth ?
Or is those numbers an inconvenient truth that you are not so hungry for?
My suggestion is that you change namesake as comparing to your viewpoints this has become an oxymoron.
enough said…****smile****
At Hungry. Your question to me.
So what do you mean when you say makes no sense at all. To who? The patient that need care? The staff?”
Answer: There is always someone on staff who can help the Francophone patient . If there wasn’t then I would be on your side. There isn’t a need to have 100% bilingual staff.
@Highlander
July 10, 2013 8:01pm
“Language Fairness For All has advocated for representation by population if language laws are to exist.”
Says WHO? Who are the Advocating powers? What is the groups Agenda?
“I think that the twisting and turning and warping the information to suit your agenda”
“ So stats Canada is wrong there not so hungry for the truth ?
Or is those numbers an inconvenient truth that you are not so hungry for?”
Those are the ones I’ve used as reference point and you’ve disputed them with links and pretty graphs from Google and other sources. Who can you TRUST? You dispute the accuracy of any stats that I’ve posted. You and others have disputed the accuracy of the 2006 STATS CAN VS 2011 So the only intelligent conclusion I can come to is yours have to be the only
ones that have any accuracy. As an example,
“Stick to facts rather then propaganda :|”
Your statistical Information
“Now all courts across Ontario must be bilingual even in say Windsor were they represent far less then 1%. Imagine the costs of implementing this !”
My statistical Information.
The City of Windsor has 214.255 residents of which 3.7% (2009 Stats Can) approximation 60,000 french-speaking. The Languages Act accords this minority of French-speaking services in their respectful language.
The whole truth lies in the NUMBERS? And as I mentioned, no one seem to have any accurate numbers but your OWN. It’s the only ones that appear to hold the truth. This is the an obvious area of contention.
I can have five GRAPHS put together by five different Statisticians, and have five different outcome. What I have learnt over my professional Career is Statistical Data is like ART it lies and its in the hands of the beholder to decipher. Statistics are prepared with human interpretation and used with human manipulation. And if you dispute my claim of human manipulation, at your earliest convenience do the exercise go to Stats Can, Google,Yahoo, Wikipedia, Bing and see what the
outcomes are.
And if you call standing up for a Constitutional ight, “Propaganda” then I’m guilty.
“Lie, twist ,turn and warp that information to suit your agenda .
What little respect I had is no longer there you are as racists as
your brethren Stella.”|
I do not understand where I have used lies, twisted or turned information to suit my agenda. Is the agenda you are referring to is the one to enlighten and share from a different angle? The one that start with A Constitutional CANADIAN Right. And, that though French is a minority They have just as much right to have their Rights RESPECTED, as do you’re expressions of
NUMBERS and views.
The whole point is, I have no Agenda. I call FAIR as FAIR
UNFAIRNESS as UNFAIRNESS and objectively asses the motives,
and the information I have at my disposal ta assist me in forming my own opinion as to their validity and directions. I don’t want better working conditions, I’m not running for Office nor am I seeking any ones endorsement from any one to a cause. I belong to no groups and have no desire to advocate for
any cause. Just a plain and simple opinion on fairness. That’s it. No more, but no less.
And what I’ve been reading, and the information coming at me from the other posters, compelled my sense of justice to respond against what I perceive to be a heavy SUPREME MAJORITY DOMINATION opinions. Which obviously you’ve seen in my post, I do not share. If having an agenda means a different Point of view but, just as valuable, then I can hide no more ,I’ve been unveiled and found guilty. Believe me sir or madam my goal is not to offend nor to discriminate the Rights of ANY CANADIAN.
NOR, is it to WIN anything, just to humbly and simply exercise my Democratic Right as a Proud Canadian and voice an opinion .
As for your need to descend to name calling and bullying and call me a racist. Is it because we are equally adamant on a subject and have different views , that it entitles you to disrespect me and others because we do not agree with your view point.
I hope this is not the way you treat all, that disagree with you?
As to you not having any more respect for me I’m not offended because I never expected it.
“Tell that to your brethren Stella and Richard who agree with segregation and your Quebec brethren who DO NOT TREAT THEIR MINORITIES FAIRLY .”
Again, there has to be two Quebec’s. An actual one and a theoretical one. Because I worked In the whole of the Province of Quebec for 15 years and did not see nor did I ever feel that my Employees where racist to my presence. It was never an Issue/
As a matter of fact for the first 2 years I lived Downtown Montreal, on Ste Catherine O. And most times could not get served in French. I felt like I hadn’t moved . So, if you think less of me because for having a sweet spot for Quebec and call me a racist for it I guess I can live with that. But what I’m certain I can not live with, without having to defend against, is your proposition that “They do not treat their minorities fairly.” on that I know I disagree.
As to my “brethren Stella and Richard” why would you call them into your attack?
“My suggestion is that you change namesake as comparing to your viewpoint
this has become an oxymoron.”
If you perceive somehow that there is some kind of double standard in my views and shared opinions, in my view they have remained consistent and I remain, HUNGRY FOR THE TRUTH. Your view of a reversal or oxymoron is your perception.
“IF A LAW IS UNJUST ,A MAN IS NOT ONLY RIGHT TO DISOBEY IT; HE IS OBLIGATED TO DO SO” THOMAS JEFFERSON”
Good luck with that in front of THE Language Commissionaire,
OR a Judge in a Court of Law. Bonne Chance! Most everybody but else do not believe to be above a law because they don’t agree with it. It goes to making my point of your disdain for the law.Who is claiming entitlement now? I Hope Tomas is available to defend you if your time comes?
PS… I must have it a nerve or something to bring out lashing and badgering, almost to the point of belligerence? WOW…..Don’t get so twisted and bent out of shape. It’s only my opinion.
Good Lord I have never heard such a freakin rant HFTT.
You might want to consider some meditation to calm the frig down.
If u can’t take the heat , get out of the sand box!!!
@Cory;For the record, yes report this to the language commissioner STAT!!!! Speak up & be heard, God knows the Franchophones aren’t afraid to complain, in fact they are encouraged to do so!
Keep us posted 🙂
HFT. you missed a comma or something. 60,000 of 214,255 is not even near 3.7%. (28%.)
Windsor has 285 French only speakers and 18,905 (8.8%) English and French. 3,895 who speak neither Eng. or Fr. as taken from the city data.
Stats Can for 2011 lists 10,565 French and 230,845 English plus only 1,540 as speaking English and French. So we really need to compare apples to apples, but either way, there is no justification for anything over 4.2% of the jobs being bilingual. ( the Ontario percentage).
Remind us where the people will come from to fill these jobs?
Cory, I would get my self a good lawyer until it goes to the Supreme Court of Canada. I would not wait another minute. That stamp woman needs to know she is wrong and crossed the line. Your freedom was violated.
HFTT….3rd standing ovation by many of your French fans. That is the way highlander reacts when he is feeling the heat, being challenged and proven wrong. Your post has him looking small and insecure.
NOT SO hungry for the truth:
WOW FOLKS NOW THAT WAS A RANT …RANT…RANT…..
” The whole point is, I have no Agenda. I call FAIR as FAIR
UNFAIRNESS as UNFAIRNESS and objectively”
I agree in fairness but their needs to be a measured approach to implementing a policy:
Eric has kindly provided info from stats Canada –
Stats Can for 2011 lists 10,565 French and 230,845 English plus only 1,540 as speaking English and French. So we really need to compare apples to apples, but either way, there is no justification for anything over 4.2% of the jobs being bilingual. ( the Ontario percentage).
As you see per policy at 5000 people REGIONALLY all provincial services are to provide bilingual service .
A fair equitable approach is with a limit of a certain percentage 4.2 % of the populous is certainly not justifiable to implement full bilingual service.
Representation by population remains the fair approach -in this setting 1 out of 20 would be reasonable -but we have 65% of new hires are to be bilingual to serve 4.2 % -These numbers are not indicative of providing a service but of social engineering and providing the majority of government jobs to those select few ;that 4.2 % .
You may not agree to numbers buts stats Canada has all the information and reliable at that.
How else would you implement a policy that would be reflective of the official languages ?
REPRESENTATION BY POPULATION!!!!
stellabystarlight
July 11, 2013 at 8:14 am
THERE YOU GO FOLKS YOUR PROPAGANDA SOURCE.
So how is our ENGLISH hater? ,threaten any more families ?
Sad part of you being an internet bully is that you hide behind the vale of anonymity .Like a true bully you have a low self esteem and project your frustrations at others.
Worth repeating from should democracy start at home?
stellabystarlight
July 10, 2013 at 4:11 pm
“I was never one for popularity contests and I don’t come here to make friends, I have enough good friends as it is.”
OMG ,you are entertaining how you flounder about like a fish outside of water and twist ,turn and contort information .
I can see why you were not for popularity contests ..ummmm…PERSONALITY!
No you do not come here to make friends but certainly made enough enemies.
One can never have enough friends Stella,keep telling that lie to yourself enough times you may even believe it
David Oldham
July 10, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Yes David very entertaining to watch someone with so much hate becoming self destructive and utter so many stupid statements “floundering about”.
I almost feel sorry for her (illness); she believes her own lies! She become so habitual at it that she has forgotten much of what she has written in the past and contradicts them in the future ;truly pathological …so the truth becomes more warped much like her PERSONALITY.
Stella don’t hit the self destruct button …..SEEK HELP….*****smile*****
Well HFTT and other folks, I feel compelled to reply to highlander’s constant comments and personal attacks, not that his opinion matters to me, for clarification purposes only.
This debate has been going on for almost three years now with the same rhetoric and inflated stories from the “freedom fighters”
Highlander is quick to point the finger ” I will not address the condescending child like behavior of Stella and Furtz as thier only intention there is to agitate and they have never brought any relevant information or backed up their statements with FACTS.”
There is nothing more to add that hasn’t been said a million times before, The fact that highlander can’t accept being wrong nor can he accept the true facts, doesn’t mean the facts were never brought up…..perhaps he suffers from tunnel vision.
When the language issue on this site dies down somewhat, lo and behold, another LTE appears. As trivial as the case may be, it is written to incite and refuel the debate…somewhat like an obsession disorder if you will.
No one in their RIGHT MIND would spend seven days a week, almost 24 hours a day looking for stats or making and looking for anti French you tube videos to try and prove their point. Radical as radical can be but not very convincing to the majority.
Having said that, it is time, the “freedom fighters” get on with their agenda and leave the peace loving and true Canadians patriots, who love this country alone.
No stats, just stating what the majority feel.
@ Stella. Yup.
@All re: a comment by Rosie ON July 10, 2013 at 9:58 pm
Rosie wrote. “There is always someone on staff who can help the Francophone patient . If there wasn’t then I would be on your side. There isn’t a need to have 100% bilingual staff.”
This is definitely a decent and fair appropriate Rosie but, here’s my take on it.
Canada is a country. Quebec is NOT A COUNTRY.
In the BIG picture, Canada is a country with a English as it’s common language. Similar to Russia is a country with Russian as it’s common language.
(OR even, as the French are trying to claim right now,
QUEBEC is a country with French as the common language)
However, Quebec is just a province inside the country of Canada that should technically be bound by the same constructs — (to a reasonable degree. At least when it comes to common language and common goals) — of the country within which the province resides.
After all, this is the whole concept of one — being a country — and the other — being a province — There is a hierarchy or umbrella effect. If you interviewed someone that was born in Russian and lived in Russia all his/her life you would expect they would be speaking to you in Russian.
That being said, Canadians are easy going folk and as a result of their acceptance of “the distinctness of the French language and the French culture, Canada (and Canadians) have simply applied that easy going-ness to this situation and decided to allow and accept the idea that “the province” of Quebec could maintain it’s own language and culture within it’s borders.
VERY accommodating, I would say.
Now, why does that have to translate into ALL of Canada having to know French or being bilingual?
— ANSWER — It doesn’t and SHOULDN’T —
Our willingness to accommodate SHOULD NOT automatically extend into
the proverbial “silver platter hand over control of the entire country.”
PM chosen from only 17% of the population that is bilingual? Insanity.
Why does that not simply mean that if the French wish to keep the French language and culture alive in their own “payee” then fine, go ahead and do so, but recognize the same respect when you venture outside “the province” of Quebec and know that there is a indeed a COMMON LANGUAGE and cultural difference in the rest of the country that you live in also.
When you think about what i have just written, and add to it the cold hard undeniable “FACT” that the province of Quebec has no qualms with making it VERY CLEAR and telling everyone that wishes to live in — or visit — their “payee” — they MUST know French —
http://youtu.be/6rpJbxjT564
then we can see that they understand the idea as applied to what THEY WANT.
Given this cold hard undeniable fact coupled with common sense and sheer respect how is it that the French cannot seem to understand and accept that the English language and the English culture applies (in almost the same percentages) in the ROC outside of Quebec?
Why is there this keen sense of, what is mine is mine, and what is yours is mine too without ANY damn sense of OK, maybe we are pushing the French culture on the ROC now similar to what we were accusing them of doing to us?
Beyond that, why is that the English people don’t feel that they have the right to stand up for the exclusivity of the English language and the English culture in the ROC (given the numbers that are similar to those of the province of Quebec) in the same manor that the French are standing up for the French language and the French culture inside the “province” of Quebec?
I have to tell ya’ll that my thoughts and attitudes towards this issue WERE VERY different in 1995 and before that. I used to fight for the ideal that Canada could stay together and be a country that was adaptable and whole. I believed in what i saw when i was growing up where by the French and English just found ways to make it work. There was no sense of — I MUST BE BIGGER, FIRST AND MORE PROMINENT — back then to the degree we see now.
But things have changed and the French have this attitude now that say’s, we want no part of the English language and the English culture. AND IT IS DIRECTLY BECAUSE OF THAT CHANGE AND THAT ATTITUDE that I HAVE CHANGED my attitude and my way of seeing these things and how i am re-acting to them.
The French in me (my French side) puffs out my chest and I say… HEY, YOU French folk. You CAN’T TREAT me (My English side) like that. You can’t tell me you want nothing to do with English language and the English culture and then come into my turf and demand i accommodate you to the fullest extent as if you were not doing the opposite. That’s crazy.
Why do the English seem to constantly feel like we have to accommodate in the face of what is happening? As i said, this attitude would likely be different without knowing the TRUTH about what is going on in Quebec just to name one thing.
But, that’s the thing. WE CAN ALL see what is going on here. We see that it is FRENCH ONLY in Quebec. We also see that whenever the French gain any kind of control outside of Quebec it doesn’t necessarily become a bilingual situation. It more often than not becomes French dominant or French only. As in the examples of the Montfort hospital, the University of Ottawa and many of the small French dominated small towns in the eastern section of Ottawa. Including even Vanier and Orleans (Or-leoon) which ARE EVEN NOT THAT FAR EAST.
I happen to believe that things should be the same outside of Quebec as the French have decided to do inside of Quebec. With English only in a English dominated country.
However, if there is going to be French then IT SHOULD BE in a fair and equitable way similar to what they obviously believe in for their French language in Quebec. And that, at the VERY LEAST would be English FIRST PROMINENT and on top with French underneath, to the right, or smaller. Certainly NOT French ONLY outside of Quebec. EXACTLY what the French demand. FAIR is FAIR.
Things are indeed coming to a head and this issue is beginning to affect the ability for gainful employment and upper management positions of more and more people in palpable way now.
Sorry for being long winded but contrary to some here who believe this is a joke, I believe this issue IS VERY serious, very important and beyond that,
is also
– A VERY historically significant time –
Remember, and pass it on…
Standing up for the English culture and the English language in CANADA DOES NOT MAKE ONE ANTI French.
It gives one pride.
stella you are right. Please tell your friends to demand an end to this. Write the PM and all MP’s, MPP’s and local city Council, demand a cross Canada answer to end this.Here is a cut and paste letter for you. Circulate widely.
Dear to whom it may concern
I (we) feel the 43 year experiment of having English Canada learn French has been an utter disappointment and removed money from health care and education.
Please continue to allow both languages to be used, but begin to dismantle laws put in place harming freedom of expression, and people rights to work because of merit.
Thank you / Merci
Edudyorlik,
I totally agree with your comment listed at July 11, 2013 at 11:19 am. I, like you, am of mixed ancestry.
I could tell you stories upon stories of what I use to experience having attended French Immersion School. We used to get in trouble at recess time for speaking English and would have to take 5 minutes out-of-our recess to stand against the wall with our noses touching it. This may not seem like much; but when you have a 15 minute break it can really put a damper on your free time.
What bothers me; what really irks me and gets under my skin; is that there are bottom feeders on this forum that will say that I am lying; doing anything to garner attention but for the fact that I am anti-French.
Sure thing. I am so anti-French that I married a wonderful Francophone lady who, in my opinion, is a million times a better person than I could ever hope to be and I worship the ground she walks on. My mother is of Metis ancenstry; and so I guess I hate my mom too?
And still years later – I never felt ill will towards these very folk who did this to us students (the teachers).
What really did it for me was the nationalistic flag-waving, the French only this and that and any other thing; the anti-English sediment/sentiment floating around Quebec and the insistance that everything be French first, French always and French forever.
I will not stop until I am treated fairly. Until the 83% in this country are treated the same as the remaining 17% oligarchy.
When the individual fulfilling the duties of the highest office of the land is chosen from only the 17% of the population – there is a problem. Whenever you have schools, churches, social services agencies, health centres catering solely to practicioners of one language you have a problem. When taxation transfer payments from all other provinces get shuffled into the coffers of one province there is a problem. When the minorities of a certain province have laws that are instituted against their using their own language(s) there is a problem. When similar laws are put into practice in small regions bordering this province there is a problem. Whenever the majority of Canadians cannot find work within their government structures and private industry due to inflated language requirements there is a problem.
When kids lives are put into jeopardy due to separatist emergency workers unwilling to speak the majority language of a country there is a problem. When a 17 year old girl cannot speak her own language at her workplace and on her break no less; there is a problem. When we have at least 2 agencies in this country who act like language police there is a problem. When subway/transit workers mistreat/abuse non-Francophone customers there is a problem. When there is a separatist government in power within one of the provinces of Confederation it is called ‘Treason’ and this is a problem. When the government leadership of said province removes the national flag of the country in it’s Assembly there is a problem. Whenever groups of kids are walking the streets in Montreal in the middle of the night and other kids approach them and tell them to speak French as this is Quebec there is a problem.
And finally, when the majority begin standing up and saying they’ve had enough of all of it – only to be labelled racists, bigots, Angryphones and other such names by ethnocentrists defending all of this; well you guessed it; we have a very big problem. A very big problem, indeed.
Look at yourselves in the mirror to discover whom you really are and stop killing us, the messengers.
It’s time now we start solving this problem.
Liberté, égalité, fraternité.
We could use a little bit of that in our present history right about now…
@English Lassie
July 11, 2013 at 5:46 am
“Good Lord I have never heard such a freakin rant HFTT.
You might want to consider some meditation to calm the frig down. If u can’t take the heat , get out of the sand box!!!”
As to your comments “freaking rant” You must be a new arrival? Or maybe you don’t fault a fellow supporter? Because if you consider my Post as a rant ,have a look above “THE KING OF RANT IS IN THE HOUSE”
Edudyorlik
July 11, 2013 at 11:19 am
@All re: a comment by Rosie ON July 10, 2013 at 9:58 pm
As for your comment about needing mediation,
You’ll be happy to know I reached out and called
someone, but he was out playing in his sand box!
Isn’t the “majority” technically a “statistic”? Stupidity that knows no bounds. That was really funny, TWO REALLY BIG THUMBS WAY UP !
@David Oldham
July 11, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Isn’t the “majority” technically a “statistic”? Stupidity that knows no bounds. That was really funny, TWO REALLY BIG THUMBS WAY UP !
No, it’s a RESULT. Interpretation by humans makes it a STATISTIC!
I woke up crying and have been crying since yesterday. These stories are heart wrenching. Please get in touch with the UN again, do something, we can’t take this treatment any longer **smile**
I never read edudyorlik’s post. If I want to read a book, I buy one.
For those who never read his comments either….here it is.
He wrote: ” Our “willingness to accommodate” SHOULD NOT”……blah…. blah…. blah …….whatever, whatever.
“WILLINGNESS TO ACCOMODATE” THAT IS HYSTERICAL!!!! Good sense of humor!!!!
Oh, thank you Hungry for the Truth….
That’s really nice of you to pronounce lil-ol-me
“THE KING OF RANT IS IN THE HOUSE”
All hail…
And, in my commencement speech…
i defer directly to — YOU — and those of your mind set.
I strongly suggest HftT that you pay close attention to #4.
— The one called Boycott Quebec — which features
the honorable Danny Williams.
A true Canadian who say’s it like it is.
Mr. Williams in #4 tells all Canadians about the smoking gun proof
that WILL eventually provide the necessary tools and proof
which will ultimately bring together
those who really do “seek the truth”
and the righteous Anglo legal people in this country
who, in turn, along with the majority tax paying
Anglophone citizens will finally …
————– PUT AN END TO —————
this charade and blatant theft that is going on in this country.
Oh and PS #3 Doublespeak reminds me of you hftT
and the rest of your so called clan in this country.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bM2omRfl2N4/Ud8C2nQd1fI/AAAAAAAAAqc/0VzSKgjW4DI/w841-h785-no/Perrault+-+Bilingualism+-+the+ability+to+speak+through+both+ssides+of+the+mouth.jpg
Rants 01 – Quebec – A country or a province?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx_iPTIh-WI&hd=1
Rants 02 – Boiling Frog syndrome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW33xkVB-oI&hd=1
Rants 03 – Doublespeak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FXHE6AAk1I&hd=1
Rants 04 – Boycott Quebec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhPcV0gtFR0&hd=1
Rants 05 – Ridiculousness – Best viewed in full screen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abOWJkf-Vh8&hd=1
Rants 06 – Quebec Language Cops – It’s Time To Push Back Hard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5×8-av6toDc&hd=1
Rants 07 – Kilroy – Standing UP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWcMg6pKxHg&hd=1
Rants 08 – News clips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjEbOizpWUY&hd=1
Rants 09 – In The News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dCcRoL8G1U&hd=1
@Edudyorlik
July 11, 2013 at 2:11 pm
“Oh, thank you Hungry for the Truth….
That’s really nice of you to pronounce lil-ol-me”
Tip of the hat to you dear boy.
Freedom of Speech in our DEMOCRACY is INCLUSIVE.
It helps to develop Respect, and teach us TOLARANCE even towards Radical RANTING Propagators!
Got to go, my Sand box is waiting!!!
Yes, Respect, and TOLERANCE would be nice.
if only ONE SIDE of this issue played by the same set of rules, we may very well have no problems at all but alas, there are always those who, pardon my harshness.. Believe their SH1T doesn’t smell and they are better than others.
It is now time for those in the majority who claim it is only a minority that that pass these unconstitutional laws like bill 101 and treat Canadians living in Quebec as second class citizens to stand and be heard, or else those in the ROC will just have to take their silence as agreeing with the minority and assume they are part of the problem as well then subsequently ACT to dismantle their push for total control of this land ONCE AND FOR ALL.
@Cory Cameron
July 11, 2013 at 12:29 pm
“And finally, when the majority begin standing up and saying they’ve had enough of all of it – only to be labelled racists, bigots, Angryphones and other such names by ethnocentrists defending all of this; well you guessed it; we have a very big problem. A very big problem, indeed.”
“Look at yourselves in the mirror to discover whom you really are and stop killing us, the messengers.”
On this we have a point of agreement. But, it is a two way street MAJORITY and minority? Having to revert to personal attacks in my view is unnecessary, and distasteful. But in a tantrum sometimes? After all we are all human.
Highlander
July 10, 2013 at 8:01 pm
“Lie, twist ,turn and warp that information to suit your agenda .What little respect I had is no longer there you are as racists as your brethren Stella.”
Got to go now, my Sand box is waiting!
And I’m running out to get myself a new mirror.
I hope it’s compatible !
@ Stella, HFTT, Richard, and a few others…
The cool thing about this site is that it provides a place where angry people can freely vent. If these freedom-fighters couldn’t blow off steam now and then, who knows how far they would go? It’s also a plus that these {MODERATED} are putting themselves out on the net for all to see.
stellabystarlight
July 11, 2013 at 9:36 am
Did you seek the help you need ,serious not condescending …the first thing to address is excepting you have the problem.
You have a pathological as well as a habitual problem with lying ,you forget the lie ,then lie to forget then contradict with a lie.
You are truly a mess and need serious help ….and you work for the government?
I guess the government isn’t all that picky as long as you are bilingual…..the government will pay your time off as you seek the help you need.
stellabystarlight
July 11, 2013 at 1:56 pm
OMG grow up my child behaves better then that -Really child like -But that does explain the rudimentary responses to questions asked of her ,as well as the inability to research any information.
Now folks no big words and please do not ask any difficult questions we do not want to challenge this government employee ,she is not used to having to use cognitive responses …ooops big boy words .
Not so hungry for the truth ,who is not so hungry for facts ;stats Canada remains the most reliable source of data :
Representation by population a true measurable approach to hiring and providing official language services .
Bilingual 17% -bilingual hiring 65% -You may not agree to numbers as they certainly are skewed(for Francophones) otherwise why hire near 400% above need to serve that population?
When you get your paycheck not so hungry you don’t believe in those numbers either ? pathetic excuse !!!!! We all live by numbers …some are just not willing to except the facts….. thank you stats Canada!
@Rosie
July 10, 2013 at 9:58 pm
“At Hungry. Your question to me. So what do you mean when you say makes no sense at all. To who? The patient that need care? The staff?” Answer: There is always someone on staff who can help the Francophone patient . If there wasn’t then I would be on your side. There isn’t a need to have 100% bilingual staff.”
The only reason I was asking is a situation arose last year when I was in Emergency at CCH. 6 people came in from New Brunswick, and they only spoke French. They where travelling on holiday and had stopped to get something to eat. Low and
behold they got food poisoning. When they arrived, the Doctor that was Attending could not speak French. They got a Doctor from somewhere in the Hospital after about 2 hrs. The 2 members of the nursing staff that where bilingual, one could barely hold a conversation in French. But now I’m sure this is all fixed. I take your word.
Because who knows a Bus load of French-speaking travelling tourist could have an accident right here in Cornwall. No one wishes this to happen but they do happen. Let’s hope….
“If there wasn’t then I would be on your side.”
Rosie the point of my involvement in this forum is not to get any one to change their view or adhere to my views. They are just opinions based on a life long journey in a BILINGUAL country. I have no agenda!!!
Thank-You for responding.
Edudyorlik
July 11, 2013 at 3:31 pm
“Yes, Respect, and TOLERANCE would be nice.”
I’m sorry that you perceive my DISAGREEMENT to your Radical,
Plagiaristic Antics as an attempt to show you disrespect and intolerance .
As I mentioned in my above post DEMOCRACY is INCLUSIVE.
Not agreeing with you or your Antics, does not hinder me in my ability to remain Respectful of your Right to Freedom of Speech and to remain Inclusive.
Got to go now, my Sand box is waiting!
@Highlander
July 11, 2013 at 5:08 pm
“We all live by numbers …some are just not willing to except the facts… thank you stats Canada”
“Not so hungry for the truth ,who is not so hungry for facts ;stats Canada remains the most reliable source of data :When you get your paycheck not so hungry you don’t believe in those numbers either ? pathetic excuse !!!!!”
I will state my position again to clear any doubt in your mind. STATISTICS are a product of human manipulation. I believe to have enough Professional and personal competence to stay clear of proponents that want to debate NUMBERS. I have never said I was an unbeliever of Statistics. I have said Statistical Data is like ART it lies and its in the hands of the beholder to decipher. Statistics are prepared with human interpretation and used with human manipulation. NEVER did I say that I did not find STATISTICS FACTUAL.
In this particular case, I may be question their human manipulation, deciphering and most importantly to what end?
And, may I suggest that in the future, if you feel an overwhelming desire to ATTACK in such a ridiculous child like manner that you refrain. I believe you can better utilize your Intelligence and debate like an ADULT. Possibly your time could
be utilized in a more constructive manner by answering some of my questions from my previous post. Who knows, they could enlighten me.
An attempt at belittling others is never welcomed. In the school yards they call this BULLEYING.
Got to go now, my Sand box is waiting.
@Highlander IN A MINI SKIRT
My Moniker is “Hungry for the Truth.”
I never used your derogation, of “not so hungry” and the rest of the BS, you use in your childish ATTACKS.
So please …..HUNGRY FOR THE TRUTH…..That’s the correct NAME to use. The rest is really not needed to Identify me.
Thanks for your cooperation and respect.
HFTT.
@Hungry for the Truth
I have long had a love for debate, HftT. It creates an opportunity for one to either solidify a viewpoint or gain insight into another perspective.
However if you wish to merely come gunning than let me suggest that you load your choice of weapon first, sarcasm and misquotes will not gain you any ground. In other words, which cannot be misinterpreted, start your brain before putting your mouth in gear.
I did not call Richard illogical.
I did not say that Richard was a lunatic.
Nor did I say that Richard was arrogant, ignorant or disrespectful.
I have no idea whether Richard personally has a sense of entitlement, that you would have to ask of him.
I am not attacking you personally HftT. I am however pointing out the reality of selective interpretation which you have so well demonstrated in your discourse directed at me.
You ask me specifically for an answer, therefore I will fulfill your request, on an objective level.
One scenario concerns a constitutional right. That being communication in one of the official languages when dealing with a federal entity. The choice of language lies in the hands of the individual(s) seeking service from the federal entity.
The other scenario deals with a province that has a regionalized language policy where specific regions only are required to offer bilingual services in certain instances. No businesses in Ontario are required to offer bilingual services, that remains at a businesses sole discretion and fortunately commonsense prevails. Although bilingualism is an adopted policy in approximately 25 regions of Ontario, it remains a want or need but not a specific right elsewhere in the province.
Quebec was at a time the only “bilingual” province it is now unilingual. The two officially bilingual provinces are New Brunswick and Manitoba. However only New Brunswick has equality in regards to the bilingual policy enacted, Manitoba’s policy is limited in nature.
As to bilingual requirements for medical staff, regardless of where in the province it is required by policy or not required (less than 10%) the policy adopted by police forces to be reflective of the community in which they serve is perhaps the policy which embraces commonsense the best. 100 % saturation unless reflective of the community becomes more rooted in politics than commonsense especially when the demand reaches throughout the staff to include maintenance staff who deal with management and not specifically patient care. In the final analysis I could care less what language the medical staff speak, or what colour they are, my only concern is their competency level.
In conclusion HftT you are dead right, the LTE was about Mr. Cameron, not Richard, me or anyone else. If individuals wish to consider that his feelings or actions taken, were extreme so be it.
However it is his “constitutional right” and whether or not I agree with his claim, I will defend his right as I would my own or yours. Policies may be prone to change with relative ease due to the changing winds of political will. Rights only erode over time when left abandoned and unprotected by the apathy of the very people they were designed to serve. Back to the sand box for me. No hard feelings here HftT.
ON July 11, 2013 at 7:10 pm in response to my comment
on July 11, 2013 at 3:31 pm which was
“Yes, Respect, and TOLERANCE would be nice.” etc…
hungry for the truth wrote the following…
“I’m sorry that you perceive my DISAGREEMENT to your Radical,
Plagiaristic Antics as an attempt to show you disrespect and intolerance.”
To which I reply with,
Oh my. I wouldn’t flatter myself too much there HftT.
My comment had nothing — AT ALL — to do with what you wrote whether you were agreeing OR disagreeing with me. You see, i have ZERO concern for any of your obvious antics in this forum. You are only but one slight notch up from the likes of Stella, Furtz and Tremblay. All of whom I usually completely ignore.
And, to be honest, I would certainly not be too proud of the position you find yourself in even though it is ever so slightly above them on the scale. Now, if truth be told, the only reason for you being that slight notch above them is because there is some semblance of “POSSIBLE” intelligence in your posts which unfortunately is hidden behind your seemingly incessant need to taunt which is NOT really in keeping with your “hunger for the truth” pseudonym.
Ah but, we get it. We’re used to that. It’s called DOUBLESPEAK.
No, no, do yourself a favor. In future, i would advise that you not think so highly of yourself in the sense that i was referring to YOU.
In fact… (you are familiar with FACTS are you not?)
OK, so.. The fact is…
Though i admit, i did use two words in my post that you had been bantering about in your post, that DOES NOT mean I WAS speaking / writing to you — or your comment — when i said,
“Yes, Respect, and TOLERANCE would be nice.”
You will notice in the post in question on July 11, 2013 at 3:31 pm you DO NOT see my common “@HftT” which would indicate that i was writing to you, or indeed responding to something you said. Thus, I WAS NOT.
It was actually an open comment to all readers and I was referring to the “French fact” and those who are seemingly running the province of Quebec. A position i imagine you no doubt have wet dreams about having potential to do but alas, you succumb to the reality that this is something that definitely is, shall we say,
beyond your capabilities and
WAY OUTSIDE YOUR so called,
“SANDBOX”
PS: I notice there was no mention from you or the clan on your side about the issue i raised with regard to the pie in the face surrounding the 2006 census and how the French were indoctrinated to try and skew the numbers. Sort of the kind of antics we see now, only using different tactics. never stop trying to cheat and gain the upper hand, do they?
Of course, no one on that side wants to talk about things like that. Except of course to deny and pretend it doesn’t exist and that it didn’t happen. Or, whatever “the spin du jour” is.
Come to think of it, “the clan” usually totally ignores all the facts that are presented. I guess in the face of so many facts that contradict that side, ignoring those facts can be and — IS — considered, “a survival technique :-)”
PPS: I also, for the life of me, cannot figure out how your use of the phrase
“Plagiaristic antics” applies to me.
Ah but, alas i would still like to declare
that you —
Have yourself a nice day anyways eh 🙂
—
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_____(o o)
—-ooO-(_)-Ooo——-
@hftt
So according to your logic, I guess it only matters if a bus load of French need medical services @CCH.
God help us if a bus load of Hispanics get into an accident, just sayin…
Maybe ALL the staff should learn the 200 languages spoken in Canada.Get over yourself.
Ridiculous!!!!
Question to anyone;
I am of the understanding 2 Official Languages services were to be for Federal Government Services ONLY, so just what the he** is going on in our Country? ??
HFTT, I have been on holiday to many places in the world and not once gave consideration to communication purposes for emergency and I imagine most don’t.(Maybe Jean Lecompte, because he would rather die than have an English only speaker medical help) Of course company and Blue Cross insurance was a factor only after purchasing tickets.
This contingent from New Brunswick that could only speak French ( NB does have 66,380 French only & almost 700,000 who can speak English), what would happen if travelling to Mexico, China or wherever? Would the wait not be over 2 hours?
I know you are saying this to dispute the 100% bilingual hiring, but, the jobs are posted, including even the morgue attendant “required” bilingual. Also, the hospital did sign on to overly promote French services via the French Languages Services Act to be one of the 200 plus institutions to get guaranteed funding.
The English are so gullible and ready to justify and explain away their rights. May God and the Queen help us all!
Hungry for the Truth….
July 11, 2013 at 11:59 pm
“I will state my position again to clear any doubt in your mind. STATISTICS are a product of human manipulation.”
And language legislation is a product of political manipulation,so this would explain why 65% of government hires (bilingual ) to serve 17% at near 400% above those needs.
Now hungry do you agree that the above is a fair equitable approach?
Should language have more precedence then merit for government job?
When a Government job is deemed bilingual ,the applicant that is not is discarded even though that applicant may have better Qualifications …limited by the superficial need of language!
Should Quebec with 15-17% English not provide bilingual service ?yet Ontario with 4% Francophones provide bilingual services?
Quebec Government introduced language laws to prevent”assimilation of French to English” is it not the same to assimilate all 200 cultures to French with the artificial demand by government jobs as well as language law outside Quebec?
“They are just opinions based on a life long journey in a BILINGUAL country.”
We are not a bilingual Country but a country with two official languages .
Explain to me how you would proportionately provide language services in the spirit of democracy that is representation by population?
I am not asking to eliminate French but to better provide proportional hiring and services so that 80% of the population have equal representation with those hiring and services!
Cornwall: 80% English only population
Health unit 100 % bilingual
CCH -all new hires bilingual
CCAC 80% bilingual
Courts 80% bilingual
Provincial entities 65% bilingual
Local post office 100% bilingual
and so on .
The policy needs to be fair to all citizens :
Representation by population is the only fair equitable and MEASURABLE approach to this policy.