Over the next few weeks while speaking with friends about various issues of the day, pay attention to your comments. Are you saying oh well, it has been going on a long time, what can you do, you can’t fight City Hall or something else that is similar? We have become so accustomed to not doing anything for the greater good we just explain it away, or provide some creative justification to continue doing nothing. Sometimes people feel helpless, it is more work than they have time for right now, they don’t want to get involved, or a favorite, that is somebody else’s job. Really? Caring about what you see around you, doing something about it and wanting a better life for your kids is somebody else’s job? Whose?
Henry Ford once said,” if you think you can do a thing or think you can’t do a thing, you’re right.” At first glance that may be a fence sitter position, however if you use it get yourself motivated, it is a rallying cry. You just need to pay attention and connect a couple of dots along the way to get started. Talking about it with friends, posting in Cornwall Free News and sending an email to a politician are all perfect and expected of citizens in a democratic society. So would be joining a group with similar concerns. We certainly see that with hundreds of Francophone groups, the majority of which are funded by all taxpayers including you.
Something that you may take exception to and want to get involved with is how French services are being guaranteed politically, legally and financially. The Ontario French Language Services Commissioner is on record saying “. A designated agency or program provides its supplier with legal immunity that protects it from changes in the economic and political climate”. As far as I know, Ontario does not have an English only government agency or entity, and if there were, they could be shut down in seconds, unlike these “first class” entities and agencies who signed on to the French Languages Services Act.
I am not saying shut down French services, I am saying fairness to all taxpayers has vanished but paying for it is still up to all taxpayers. Jobs are increasingly bilingual but the numbers of bilingual citizens outside of Quebec has stayed stagnant or dropped. Ontario revoked the fairness is a 2 way street act in 2006 allowing more Quebec residents to find work here, should the Ontario government not help its citizens first before other provinces? Certainly Quebec does! Go ahead, get involved or just say, “if you think you can do a thing or think you can’t do a thing, you’re right.”
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stellabystarlight
July 31, 2013 at 7:02 pm
“HFTT and Furtz went as far as saying they agreed that there was in fact discrimination. I, on the other hand felt it had never been proven locally.”
WHOA….So you are finally admitting that there is in fact language discrimination after your two companions admitted that there was !(but not locally of course).
Is this a moment of weakness where the possibility of reasoning and logic may prevail ?
Stella honestly language discrimination is occurring across the country dialogue is needed and fairness needs to be brought into the fold before many angry disillusioned people start taking action.
Cory Cameron
July 31, 2013 at 5:48 pm
“Okay. So everyone can see that this is obviously a direct attempt to make fun of my very personal issue about what happened to me at the Post Office. I think everyone can see that Stella has once again belittled a very personal issue for me that I have endured over these last few months and wrote a LTE about.”
What I can see is one more time you are using this public forum to let everyone know how we should regard you as a victim of these comments. After all, you have had to endure this “very personal issue” over the last few months.
When you decided to write your letter to the editor, you had to be conscious that what was a “very personal issue” by your action would became a public issue. You and you alone is responsible for that action. Not anyone in this CFN’S public forum.
When poster post a comment with a contrasting opinions than yours that in their view they perceive the issue as insignificant and trivial they are immediately under fire.
Their insensitivity is brought into question, they are told that such a view is a deliberate effort engineered at belittling your “very personal issue” and as a result of this lack of empathy you are victimized. It’s an opinion not a condemnation.
Well all that I can offer as a sensible solution to your “very personal issue” is before you decide to take your “very personal issues” out of your kitchen and into a public forum for debate, expect that not all will agree with your evaluation of what by choices of your decisions have caused you to endure.
THEY ARE YOUR CHOICES.
No one forced you to post a LTE on CFN’S public forum.
Nobody is deliberately trying to victimize you by not agreeing with your opinions.
“I should have known that comments generated (such as the one above from her) and others from that side were adding nothing to the issue at hand and were done for no other reason but to instigate a negative response from the likes of us social activists speaking out against unfair hiring practices”
The amazing thing about your above comments is the question it leaves me with. I asked myself the question as to some other comments posted by other poster, how they would help you social activists speaking out about unfair hiring practices advance their cause.
Highlander
July 11, 2013 at 5:08 pm
@stellabystarlight
July 11, 2013 at 9:36 am
Did you seek the help you need ,serious not condescending …the
first thing to address is excepting you have the problem.
You have a pathological as well as a habitual problem with lying ,you forget the lie ,then lie to forget then contradict with a lie.
You are truly a mess and need serious help ….and you work for the government?
concerned citizen 2 July 31, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Hungry for the Truth….said
July 31, 2013 at 2:59 pm
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“@Claire de Lune
“I had some time to kill and I knew that you had a busy AM.”
Really hftt you had time to kill, so why pray tell did you not do the research you promised Highlander regarding American Hospital language services….
STILL WAITING, THE CLOCK IS TICKING…
TICK, TOCK, TICK TOCK, TICK TOCK”
Glad to see that you appointed yourself time keeper.
Congratulation on the PROMOTION.
Keep counting. If you do a good job they may
let you become secretary for the group?
Good Luck….
Apologies;Posted the wrong video earlier
Check out this video by EDUDYORLIK, the problem with our country is due to Liberalism…Consider this fair warning if you even consider voting Liberal next Federal Election, JT is a separatist in sheep’s clothing!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDNKcLea8Cw
Hungry for the Truth…. July 30, 2013 at 10:04 am
@Eric
July 30, 2013 at 6:41 am
Eric, I do not fault anyone for believing and voicing what they stand for. What I question and have for some time now is how are all these comments and opinions about the perception that Quebec’s laws are allegedly unfair, contributing constructively in helping the objective of making Hiring practices in our community more equitable? HftT
It’s not the laws in Quebec that are hindering access to non bilingual candidates. If not for the unfair hiring practices they that CCH have implemented the non bilingual candidates would otherwise qualified nursing Staff.
Do we need to reopen the Constitution and have Quebec separate to achieve this?
Eric
July 31, 2013 at 6:34 am
“The general feeling of the Charter ( which by the way Quebec never formally approved but uses parts of it for advantage so there was no unanimous consent) is looked at differently between Quebec and ROC leading to this appeasement.”
I included my original post that I posted because judging from the answers you offered to my questions I see no relevance in your answers. Maybe you answered the wrong post?
Do I need to watch a TV show to understand the answers? I don’t know…..
The statement you made about the Charter is not factually accurate.
The fact is that here was unanimous consent from all 10 Provinces in 1982 to repatriate and reopen our Constitution.
Unanimous consent was not reached on the amendments within the Constitution. Which is why even after a failed attempt with the Meech Lake accord, Quebec never signed on. But, in 2006 the present PC government voted a resolution that recognized Quebec as a Distinct Society which included them in an official
capacity into the Confederation.
HFTT, you wrote:
“What I can see is one more time you are using this public forum to let everyone know how we should regard you as a victim of these comments. After all, you have had to endure this “very personal issue” over the last few months.
When you decided to write your letter to the editor, you had to be conscious that what was a “very personal issue” by your action would became a public issue. You and you alone is responsible for that action. Not anyone in this CFN’S public forum.
When poster post a comment with a contrasting opinions than yours that in their view they perceive the issue as insignificant and trivial they are immediately under fire.
Their insensitivity is brought into question, they are told that such a view is a deliberate effort engineered at belittling your “very personal issue” and as a result of this lack of empathy you are victimized. It’s an opinion not a condemnation.
Well all that I can offer as a sensible solution to your “very personal issue” is before you decide to take your “very personal issues” out of your kitchen and into a public forum for debate, expect that not all will agree with your evaluation of what by choices of your decisions have caused you to endure.
THEY ARE YOUR CHOICES.”
I accept full responsibility for my choices and always have. Please do not confuse my use of the term, “personal’ with the now mentioned use of the term, ‘private’. I think you may have jumped the proverbial gun in your defence of Stella…..
My experience with the Post Office is a very personal one for me; as in close to my heart; as in the issue was one of a professional and personal issue; although not a private matter – hence the sending of the LTE; right?
So again, HFTT; let’s not confuse personal with private; because although the issue is a personal one; it is indeed not a ‘private’, one.
Please re-read my post that was meant for Stella.
I send my LTE’s to CFN with the full intention that everyone will provide their opinions; hopefully without derision. However, Stella’s response was indicative of a derisive statement; plain and simple.
After all, one cannot defend a contemptuous statement, right?
So too, HFTT, please read the first dozen or so statements on the LTE for the Post Office experience; and you will discover that I am not alone in these types of experiences. Others too have experienced similar scenarios as well. As-a-matter-of-fact, our moderator has even experienced soemthing similar most recently. And I unequivocally state that that was something similar, although not identical in nature. In fact, he did get served in English; whereas I did not.
Eric, I owe you an apology for clogging up your LTE with my responses to Stella and HFTT.
I’m sorry.
Hungry for the Truth….
July 31, 2013 at 11:11 pm
“But, in 2006 the present PC government voted a resolution that recognized Quebec as a Distinct Society which included them in an official
capacity into the Confederation.”
They had already been in the capacity of confederation ,they have yet to sign the constitution.
They readily violate the charter ,refuse to sign the constitution yet have their hands out for their welfare receipts since inception of the transfer payments in 1957.
No society in Canada should have a distinct capacity as are not ALL equal ,why define one culture out of over 200 to be distinct ?
Quebec is like the youngest child unemployed in the family living in the basement after all their siblings have left .
Asking for more and more yet all their siblings watch their parents cave in to the commands the child requests or they threaten to leave all the while knowing their sibling cannot survive outside of the family home.
Sign the constitution or no more welfare money ….Canada needs a tough love approach rather then continued appeasement at the cost of the confederation.
This continued approach would surly only lead to more resentment through the rest of confederation .
While the federals are concerned of Quebec at the front door and the appeasement thereof ,the west is preparing to leave through the back .
Now would you rather the welfare recipient roommate who cant afford to pay the bills or the wealthy roommate who is able to pay the bills?
That may be Canada’s decision!
Hungry for the Truth….
July 31, 2013 at 11:11 pm
Do we need to reopen the Constitution and have Quebec separate to achieve this?
2/3 OF THE POPULATION AND 2/3 OF THE PROVINCES ARE REQUIRED TO OPEN THAT CONSTITUTION AND REQUIRED TO FORCE QUEBEC OUT OR FOR QUEBEC TO VOLUNTARILY LEAVE.
Quebec does not have the capacity to leave ,no the ability financially to do so .
Quebec has been on Canada’s welfare line since 1957 and receive half the transfer payments .
If those transfer payments are keeping them at the same financial capacity of other provinces .
The continued threat to separate is only to garnish more monitory benefit from the rest of CANADA ,Knowing they do not have the capacity to do so.
I have experienced it also and made it public because I wanted people to know……I WAS SPOKEN TO IN FRENCH. Am I insulted…..NO. Has it hurt me……NO Has it changed my life……NO Will I write to the language commissioner…..NO. Is it personal to me…..YES. Same scenario……just wanted to share……c’est tout.
@Cory Cameron re: POST on August 1, 2013 at 6:57 am
Here here Cory, great post. 🙂
and yes, there are MANY people experiencing these kinds of “situations” along with situations like in New Brunswick where the English majority of 92% (can you believe this? 92%) in that small area are being forced by these “creeping” French domination style laws to provide complete bilingual service.
While at the very same time the French in Quebec are forcing NON bilingualism on small areas there using 50% as the criteria to STOP providing service of ANY KIND AT ALL to the English people living there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rpJbxjT564&hd=1
edudyorlik
August 1, 2013 at 10:04 am
Why must Quebec outright ban institutionalized bilingualism when the federal bilingual system was implemented for them ?
Obviously minority language rights which as guaranteed by the charter is for only french minority as Quebec doesn’t respect this its English minority .
What happened to as our opposing view posters state “Its about courtesy”?
Don’t get me wrong I value all languages but If one language is pushed across the country through legislation and yet the other official language is suppressed WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ATTAIN ?
stellabystarlight
August 1, 2013 at 9:03 am
“I have experienced it also and made it public because I wanted people to know……I WAS SPOKEN TO IN FRENCH. Am I insulted…..NO.”
So let me see the Cornwall’s population is 80% English and 545 french only people :they addressed you in french first?
That courtesy that francophones often call for here ,would it not have been courtesy to address in English first as 80% of the population is English only.
This is only to say that post office worker is francophone first.
Courtesy as describe it would be to address the predominant language first whether it be French or English .
Timmins yes there is a large francophone population but French is far from the predominant language so why address French first unless that worker is predominantly french.
So is a coincidence for both I doubt so as Francophones are hired predominantly for those positions that 65%!
So where is this so called buzz word courtesy Francophones keep asking for?
Courtesy, respect and active offer are words Highlander we see often as of late. It must be OK to tell people which businesses to visit too, these guys have a whole 113 page document, paid for by all taxpayers doing just that. http://www.acfopr.com/
I think we hit the fairness level a couple of years ago, about the same time English speaking politicians gave up or gave in one or the other.
Cory Cameron August 1, 2013 at 6:57 am
“I accept full responsibility for my choices and always have. Please do not confuse my use of the term,“personal’ “with the now mentioned use of the term, ‘private”’. I think you may have jumped the proverbial gun in your defence of Stella…..”
There is no confusion in my understanding or interpretation of the use of your terms in the context that they where used. I’ve made no mistake in their intended inferences.
Can you point me to the sentence or paragraph that you are referring to when you assert that I substituted the word PERSONAL “with the now mentioned use of the term, private.” YOUR WORD NOT MINE. My response to your post was not
motivated by the need to defend anyone.
“Why is it that your My experience with the Post Office is a very personal one for me; as in close to my heart; as in the issue was one of a professional and personal issue; although not a private matter – hence the sending of the LTE; right?”
Your “very personal issue” that is close to your heart has been put up by your choice in the Pubic Domain. I never suggested any where in my post that it was PRIVATE. The content of my post addressed your reactions to a comment that was made by a
poster and your questioning it’s purpose. Your post addressed your evaluation of this comment, your perception of a deliberate attempt at belittling your “very personal issue.”
My response has nothing to do with your now suggestion that I used the word PRIVATE and confused terms and words. There is no confusion. This is your lead in to the post that I responded to.
“Okay. So everyone can see that this is obviously a direct attempt to make fun of my very personal issue about what happened to me at the Post Office. I think everyone can see that Stella has once again belittled a very personal issue for me that I have endured over these last few months and wrote a LTE about.” Cory Cameron July 31, 2013 at 5:48 pm
“So again, HFTT; let’s not confuse personal with private; because although the issue is a personal one; it is indeed not a ‘private’, one.”
Again you defend your posted comments in faulting me for the misuse of terms and words. I never used such words. I never used the WORD PRIVATE. Nonetheless you decided to take your “very personal issue” and hang it in the public domain. No mistake in my understanding that. Once you decided to air your “very personal issue” in public it became open to publics evaluation, scrutiny and even ridicule. Did you expect differently?
“After all, one cannot defend a contemptuous statement, right?”
Yes one can, I’m doing so right now.
“So too, HFTT, please read the first dozen or so statements on the LTE for the Post Office experience; and you will discover that I am not alone in these types of experiences.”
No one stated that you are unique or alone in your chosen battle.
“Others too have experienced similar scenarios as well. As-a-matter-of-fact, our moderator has even experienced something similar most recently.”
What Mr Jamie experienced is nothing similar at all. He did not as a result of a conversation he had with a representative of a Company that had difficulties speaking English, CHOOSE to lodge a complaint with the Language Commissionaire. At least not to my knowledge. I did not see him take his “very personal issue” to the public, for debate yet.
“And I unequivocally state that that was something similar, although not identical in nature. In fact, he did get served in English; whereas I did not.”
Chickens and eggs! The only similarity is Language not the chosen course of remedial actions nor the expected outcomes from an officially lodged complaint.
In closing I want to make clear that your assumption of my use of the posted comments at the end of my post from another poster, where not for the purpose that you advance in your statements. They are not posted as a defence for Stella.
In context they addressed your statement and criticism of the posted comment from Stella. They further addressed your statement in your post about Stella’s comment had nothing to do with the “likes of us social activists speaking out against unfair
hiring practices.”
To which I questioned, how comments posted by another poster of equal behaviour could in-fact help advance your cause.
NOT AS A DEFENCE. AS AN EXAPLE OF FACTS.
The majority of this monument in Hawkesbury payed for by you the taxpayer.
the ACFO describes this taxpayer funded monument:
A man’s hand and a woman’s hand with a length of 12 feet and a height of 6.5 feet represent the Franco-Ontarian and Franco-Ontarian and their warm welcome. These hand protectors act as part of the lily, symbol of the Francophonie.
All components of the Monument can be found at the foot of the mast. A mega Franco-Ontarian flag 15 feet by 30 feet is installed on a huge 90-foot pole around which is arranged a memorial and heritage area highlighting the history of the Francophone community.
Highlander August 1, 2013 at 8:27 am
Excellent Post. Very detailed.
Bravo…..and no personal attacks!
EXCELLENT|…..
Truth be said I’ve made a resolution. Me, myself and I voted
on it. And it was unanimously passed ratified and enacted.
The resolution reeds as follow.
“I will no further seek to engage in debates that will not advance
the OBJECTIVE and promote improvement in a concrete way
to the unfair Hiring Policies in my Community.”
This is a real situation happening NOW. These unfair Hiring Practices are negatively affecting and preventing good, qualified individuals that are discrimanated against and denied access to employment. They are trained Professional in this Community that due to UNFAIR HIRING PRACTICES are unfairly regarded as candidates.
If I thought for an instance that a Quebec debate would help in
advancing the issue of Language Fairness in Cornwall or Ontario
for that matter, I would willingly and competently indulge you.
I just can’t comprehend the benefit of debating if Quebec conforms or sign on or off, how it will contribute in helping to improve a situation that is affecting the lives of the people in our Community.
I know you’ve stated before that Cornwall in a symptom of what’s happening all around us. But I believe for every symptom there is a remedy. Sometimes before your can eradicate the disease you have to start with treating the symptom.
I believe that there are things that can be done locally to treat the
symptom before applying the cure to the disease.
There is no disrespect intended in my refusal to debate the problems on the National level. Language Fairness and fair Hiring Practices in my perceived reality is a fixable symptom locally. It can be used as a template.
When a workable, applicable, fair and equitable template is developed with the objective of treating the symptom locally, it’s only then in my view that one can constructively and effectively work at eradicating the disease on a larger level.
Until then, everyone is just spinning their wheels in quick sand. And innocent people in this Community are still affected.
HFTT:
“There is no disrespect intended in my refusal to debate the problems on the National level. Language Fairness and fair Hiring Practices in my perceived reality is a fixable symptom locally. It can be used as a template.
When a workable, applicable, fair and equitable template is developed with the objective of treating the symptom locally, it’s only then in my view that one can constructively and effectively work at eradicating the disease on a larger level.
Until then, everyone is just spinning their wheels in quick sand. And innocent people in this Community are still affected.”
And exactly how does one locally ‘fix’ these ‘provincial’ laws that mandate for a disproportionate amount of bilingual hires to the detriment of all others?
Joyce Wright is attempting to do this through a petition calling for more fair hiring practices. Her petition has already garnered more than 5,000 supporters and is growing fast. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2013/07/31/nb-official-language-petitions-725.html In any case, petitions are great but the politicians in turn must listen to the voice of the people.
No, I think a template can be developed through a representation by population gesture; though our government entities are both provincial and federal in nature and follow disproportionate hiring. Exactly how does one develop a ‘local’ template when such ‘local’ powers that be, support these unfair laws to begin with? The CCH Hospital Administration comes to mind, HFTT.
A National/Provincial problem is not fixed locally. We’re seeing a backlash in New Brunswick with Joyce Wright’s work; I wonder what will come of it?
Chris Cameron’s petition garnished more than 3,000 signatures and we have yet to hear what was done with that.
Hungry for the Truth….
August 1, 2013 at 1:54 pm
Hungry for the Truth….
August 1, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Lives for lies Could you not summarize what you are saying rather then this written diarrhea .
An intelligent person knows that writing more does not necessitate getting the point across ,but summarizing and getting to that point rather then a drawn out experience is only beneficial for the writer who enjoys their own written diarrhea.
With all this time spent on this diarrhea you could have done that research as I quote you “my inquisitive mind wants to know” about linguistic services provided by American Hospitals.
*****It has been over a week now that you were to research this to prove to me as well as those viewers that I was misinforming them *****.
With all these written dialogues of construed words that can only be defined as written diarrhea ,as that time could have been better spent doing that Hospital research.
By evading this you are only proving that you either did not like the results or that YOU REALLY ARE NOT THAT HUNGRY FOR THE TRUTH.
*****Go ahead prove myself and the posters wrong on this !
because we are still……………………………………..waiting*****
P.S – “I just can’t comprehend the benefit of debating if Quebec conforms or sign on or off, how it will contribute in helping to improve a situation that is affecting the lives of the people in our Community.”
Lives for lies ,this is not an isolated incidence but a systemic problem and the root to these language laws are Quebec where these language laws originated .
ALL language laws create division as this type of legislation creates inequity and disenchantment within the system for those that do not benefit from them that 87% nationwide or 96% Ontario wide.
Quebec’s laws remain the most oppressive of all language laws in Canada.
CFN is not just local but national and it provides a venue to inform those outside of the city of these unjust language laws.
Yes, we are National. We just got our monthly numbers for July. 59,062 Unique Visitors and 2,701,741 page views 🙂
Jamie…….when you say Unique Visitors, what does that mean?
Stella a Unique Visitor is internet service and like phone lines there usually is more than one user so that translates into a larger number of visitors.
Gotch’a Jamie……thank-you
Cory Cameron August 1, 2013 at 3:45 pm
“And exactly how does one locally ‘fix’ these ‘provincial’ laws that mandate for a disproportionate amount of bilingual hires to the detriment of all others?”
Cory,
It is not the Laws that mandates. As a matter of fact it does not stipulate the amount of bilingual staff required to meet the requirement. The Act requires that access to French services be instituted by Public Institutions in order to be in compliance with the Act.
The logistics, implementation, calculations of staff requirements in Cornwall are not a provincial responsibility. In order for CCH to be in compliance with the Act the have proceeded to draft HIRING POLICIES. It is these Policies that have been unrealistically interpreted and instituted. They are the source of the over evaluation of the NEED. Public Institutions (CCH) evaluates how many uni-lingual or bilingual staff that is required based on Statistics interpretation. It’s a LOCAL decision.
The disproportionate requirements of staff is not the Government’s dictation.
I’m prepared to elaborate solutions that In my opinion could result beneficial at achieving local reversal of the Local Hiring Policies. Before I do so, could I task you to research what I have advanced and If we are in agreement than I would be more
than happy to further elaborate. I do not want to waste your time nor mine at debating. Let me know.
Thank-You
Sure I will HFTT,
Thanks,
🙂
@ HFTT,
I honestly hope they take you up on your offer. You are real gentleman and respected by many.
Your knowledge, honesty and intelligence are commendable.
I hope you continue sharing your thoughts, ideas and knowledge with everyone.
From the heart……thank-you for everything!!
NOW I AM A HAPPY CAMPER!!!!!
@Stella
Thank-You for your kind words. I’m more inclined and
prefer situations that seeks a solution to it’s efforts. Rather
than educating on a subject that will not serve at improving
any ones employment situation or life in the community.
I like you, hope that all this posting and debating will result in
a better quality of life and services the much deserving citizens
of this City.
My goal is not to show anybody up. It’s the same amount
of work to run going somewhere as it is going nowhere .
I prefer running to get somwhere.
Thanks again,
PS Jamie I understand….TY.
Hungry for the Truth….
August 1, 2013 at 5:44 pm
“It is not the Laws that mandates. As a matter of fact it does not stipulate the amount of bilingual staff required to meet the requirement. The Act requires that access to French services be instituted by Public Institutions in order to be in compliance with the Act.”
Therein lies the problem hungry.
The government provides that act ,but yet its own institutions signs on to the act without a measured approach and implement them where they see fit -that now being 65% bilingual services.
This is akin to the government providing an highway speeding act ,but yet not setting the speed limit and relying on the police to define those limits !
Smart ,responsible government would have provided the act and set reasonable measures to attain this goal.
Not simply to let the fox run the henhouse.
These are government institutions and it is the governments responsibility to set standards at these government entities and not the entities themselves .
So therefore Hungry it is the governments issue and for these entities have abused that act.
I find it reprehensible that the government would have to bribe institutions with additional money and security to provide bilingual services with a safety net .
This is to imply that other government services do not have this protection and additional money because they do not sign on to the French services language act?
So is there really a choice ?
******GOVERNMENT PROTECTION OR NOT *******
I promised our moderator to play nice in the sand box ,But I am limited to the opposing views provocation and propaganda.
Its great that you offer a peace offering with Cory in the hope to find a local solution but we still have a WHOLE COUNTRY of unreasonable language laws to address.
THERE IS NO STOPPING AS THAT FIRE IS LITE!
Hungry were still waiting on that linguistic services American Hospital offer.
I Stand corrected it has not been over a week .IT HAS BEEN A WEEK ……just a friendly reminder
(from Chris Camerons LTE)
Hungry for the Truth….
July 26, 2013 at 3:22 pm
highlander
July 26, 2013 at 9:21 am
“Most if not all American Hospital’s provide translation services for numerous languages other then English and not just for one. Is that not a better service?”
I find this hard to believe but, my inquisitive nature is persuading me to investigate. At first glace it’s sketchy, because 35 of the 50 States have Legislation recognizing English as the Official Language. More later….
Hungry for the Truth, I appreciate your input and thinking on language. The larger picture is not just local but very interconnected, even though the hospital has signed onto the FLSA and made most jobs French essential (no matter the terminology, English only speakers are excluded for the most part, since language trumps merit giving the very few bilinguals an unfair advantage).
We have many taxpayer funded Francophone associations telling their members and others to ask for an active offer and live and work in French. English Canada (other than a few in Quebec) have no such taxpayer funded associations and the couple that are non profits, have no paid employees to counter with. Government( all 3 levels increasingly) is now set up to promote French without any actual needs assessment. They just react to complaints of which, the vast majority come from French speakers only.
The Language sections of government need to show some kind of matrix to show a need for their services, then proceed to advance that cause with investigations and studies at expense to hiring and tax levels for real people.
I think we all want to get along, however, we should all be treated equally, and the FLSA designation list proves there is legal protection that is not available to all.
I think we all would be interested in knowing how we can join both groups and change the hiring etc. Petitions, rallies and pickets show the frustration.
Highlander August 2, 2013 at 4:06 am
“Its great that you offer a peace offering with Cory in the hope to find a local solution but we still have a WHOLE COUNTRY of unreasonable language laws to address.”
Thank-You for responding to my response to Mr. Cameron. As I said in the last sentence of my response that I would rather not waste his time nor mine at debating this again. I have already debated this with you and and have posted many written diarrhoea, evidentiary informational texts. What I have
advanced before and again yesterday in my response to Mr. Cameron on this this subject is a FACTUAL reality.
Others before you such as Mr Galganov, has been working at this task for over 30 years. Mr Galganov’s accomplishments, success and radical approaches, to these unreasonable languages laws, are the subject of many historically documented archives.
Which, allows a glimpse in a chronological, retrospective way of how his views and confrontational approaches have served in accomplishing this objective some 30 years later. These documented facts allows readers to evaluate and form an opinion.
Your motivation and desire to participate in an effort at correcting unreasonable language laws in the WHOLE COUNTRY should never be regarded as anything less than a nobble commitment to such a monumental task.
I personally would not want to commit 30 years before a could effectuate change that could help the affected individuals in this community. We do not all have to agree on the road or techniques we choose to achieve results and solutions.
However, I do respect every ones freedom to choose, without having to agree with their choices.
In closing I have had no success at reaching Obama. I thought the best solution to avoid any further delays, is that you post the information you have and I’ll evaluate. I’ll be waiting ……….
Eric August 2, 2013 at 7:01 am
Eric,
Everything that you state in your post may very well be all factual and true. I do not disagree that languages issues in this forum by most are equated on a NATIONAL level.
My comments are in response to MR. Cameron how can on fix..?, They are not an attempt at disagreeing with all the posted belief that these NATIONAL ISSUES on languages are true or untrue,
important or not important.
My comments further addresses the FACTUAL TRUTH of what is the responsible factor that creates these unfair practises in this community. IT IS NOT THE FRENCH LANGUAGE SERVICE ACT that is the core reason for these UNFAIR HIRING POLOCIES that have been drafted and instituted by the CCH.
If I understood correctly, the Protest Rally that took place in March of 2012, had has an objective to denounce and disagree to the unfair Hiring Practices in Cornwall. WHO or WHAT CHANGED THE FOCUS?
When did the belief start that one has to FIX NATIONAL LANGUAGES UNFAIRNESS before readdressing solutions for a LOCAL problem?
Why does one have to consider having to fix Quebec in order to achieve positive results to a problem that was created locally? Unfair practises that have been instituted within this community by local authorities are not dependent upon Quebec, New Brunswick nor Alberta’s jurisdictions to fix.
FOCUS….. FOCUS….. FOCUS….It’s all in the so very importance of focusing efforts and directing them at realistic achievable results.
@ Hungry. That’s pretty much what I’ve said over and over on this forum. If these people stuck to the issue of unfair hiring practices instead of getting sidetracked into idiotic things like French language on signs, deported parrots, $125,000 fleur de lys flags, being spoken to in French in Timmins, etc, they might be taken seriously, and get somewhere with their cause. But, of course, I’m considered a fool for suggesting such a thing. It’s almost like they are deliberately sabotaging their own cause.
“When did the belief start that one has to FIX NATIONAL LANGUAGES UNFAIRNESS before readdressing solutions for a LOCAL problem?”
Very good point HFTT, people see the Charter and official languages act as a starting point, perhaps to address the issue one needs to work backwards to there.
“IT IS NOT THE FRENCH LANGUAGE SERVICE ACT that is the core reason for these UNFAIR HIRING POLICIES that have been drafted and instituted by the CCH.”
No, but the interpretation by CCH management of the Act is at least a symptom of it. The Act allowing it, once brought to the governments attention, should have been altered. It was not changed, partly because politicians avoid the language issue. I have seen some wonderful word wizardry from the Ontario ministry that tells me they are happy with the current promotions.
Sitting on committees, boards and running in elections will require some coordination and able volunteers to create a different future.
Eric wrote, “This is akin to the government providing an highway speeding act ,but yet not setting the speed limit and relying on the police to define those limits !
Smart ,responsible government would have provided the act and set reasonable measures to attain this goal.
Not simply to let the fox run the henhouse.”
I find it reprehensible that the government would have to bribe institutions with additional money and security to provide bilingual services with a safety net .
This is to imply that other government services do not have this protection and additional money because they do not sign on to the French services language act?”
Brilliant post Eric brilliant…
We must also remember that, not only do these programs and their inherent bribes APPEAR to be slanted in favor of one culture but, THEY were actually purposely implemented IN — THAT WAY, FOR THAT REASON — by a man and his minions who, while speaking in parables must have taken some great pleasure in telling us all exactly what he was doing and ultimately hoping to accomplish.
As far as i am concerned, this quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve3SFQmf5B8&hd=1
combined with his response to a this question asked of him…
” ….Given these facts, should French-speaking people concentrate their efforts on Quebec. or take the whole of Canada as their base?”
P.E. Trudeau’s
Response:
“In my opinion, they should do both; and for the purpose they could find no better instrument than federalism”, Pierre Trudeau, Page 31 “Federalism”
(1968). ”
As he was setting up the “federal instrument” and the “newly altered constitution” — and your a fore mentioned “highway speeding ac”t — example
(the instruments to aid in this endeavor)
SAY’S IT ALL…
No majority in any country would put up with his and allow it to continue.
Eric August 2, 2013 at 7:01 am
“I think we all would be interested in knowing how we can join both groups and change the hiring etc. Petitions, rallies and pickets show the frustration.”
The question you pose, in itself is part of the problem. One can choose to belong to two groups providing that members can identify the only commonalities of the groups is “language unfairness.”
The members have to further understand, that the two groups have very different distinct purposes for existence. One group has an objective to develop its agenda, policies and mission statement to encourage and foster policies that address the issue of LANGUAGES UNFAIRNESS on a LOCAL level. Concentrating it’s efforts at improving the issues that negatively impact the local demographers in it’s jurisdiction.
The other groups have all of the above obligations and reasons for existence. The only major exception is in it’s widen jurisdiction. It works at achieving the same objective. Another difference between the two groups is it’s broader inclusion of demographers that concentrates the focus of the group on a NATIONAL DEMOGRAPHIC. Which ultimately focuses it’s efforts at developing NATIONAL applicable solutions, before LOCAL solutions are sought and applied.
Has the preparation of a FACTUAL argument defence to a disagreement,gone out of style? It does not always have to be confrontational in order to garner authorities attentions. Civil Meetings in business is still regarded by many as an approachable means at making ones point known for consideration of a solution.
A groups AGENDA has to be seeking as a collective body a civil approach to resolution. If one is to busy as they say “putting the boots to them” they can loose focus of the issue that is being defended.
The civil business approach is still in my view, the most non radical and effective approach at mediating towards a remedial action, in a conflicting disagreement.
ON August 2, 2013 at 7:01 am Eric wrote, “The larger picture is not just local but very interconnected, even though the hospital has signed onto the FLSA and made most jobs French essential (no matter the terminology, English only speakers are excluded for the most part, since language trumps merit giving the very few bilinguals an unfair advantage.”
BRAVO Eric. WELL SAID… BRAVO…
Eric continued, “We have many taxpayer funded Francophone associations telling their members and others to ask for an active offer and live and work in French. English Canada (other than a few in Quebec) have no such taxpayer funded associations and the couple that are non profits, have no paid employees to counter with.
Government (all 3 levels increasingly) is now set up to promote French without any actual needs assessment. They just react to complaints of which, the vast majority come from French speakers only.”
Here here Eric, once again, extremely well articulated and well said. I praise my glass in a toast to you for having brought this important information to the attention of the people.
As for the request (naw, couldn’t call it that) the pressure placed upon you and so coyly through you onto the rest of the readers by “SOME” to narrow down what needs to really change and “focus”, on small issues which when confronted can be put on the back burner for a short period of time till the “focus” blows away, (a well known and common tactic),
i would say that ANYONE who cares about the English language, the English culture and it’s right full place in this country should NOT even begin to consider such a narrow drawn down attempt to be dissuaded from what REAL change is NECESSARY in this country.
If you ARE A CONCERNED and curious unilingual Canadian citizen who sees your rights and jobs slipping away more and more
http://youtu.be/3kNcFyBofC4?t=18s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_JpX3bcWGU&hd=1
each and every day then go here
http://cornwallfreenews.com/2013/07/cory-cameron-letter-to-the-editor-going-postal-the-canadian-way/comment-page-15/#comment-146349
search for & read this post,
edudyorlik August 2, 2013 at 1:01 pm
In response to Furtz August 2, 2013 at 2:09 pm
“these people” may get side tracked because there is so much going on and perhaps because they have never met each other or are members of any groups.
I have never provided membership fees to any language group for example, but certainly have opinions on what I read.
Some of ” these people” may provide membership fees to a group providing a clear mission statement, have some dedicated volunteers, goals and a plan to achieve them is in place.
One goal that I would like to see, is stopping Francophone groups that accept the majority of their funding from governments, from having paid staff just to further their own agenda.
Also, if that group is accepting the majority funding amounts from all taxpayers, they should have the amount reduced over several years to be able to stand on their own two feet.
17 years ago, Heritage Canada gave $100,000 to the Ottawa Franco Ontario festival earmarked to do just that. It does not take much to see they are still getting hundreds of thousands of dollars to operate. Certainly a check & balance is missing at the Auditor Generals office.
@furtz
I agree, all this energy going into diverting from the issue of the unfair Hiring Policies on a local level is anti productive. It does nothing at advancing their original concerns. Instead of running around the Country and criticizing everything that’s not relevant, much more would be gained if they concentrated on the real issue of unfair hiring practices in Cornwall.
While I’m on the subject fixing problems, did you see the article about the spider monkeys from Calgary that lost their habitat in the flood? They are being relocated to Granby Zoo. Their seem to be a problem, Marois wants the monkeys to attend French immersion before relocation. What is she thinking?
Eric August 2, 2013 at 2:21 pm
“No, but the interpretation by CCH management of the Act is at least a symptom of it.”
Do we agree that it’s the misinterpretation by local management that created the symptom of unfairness? It’s in exercising their authority in interpreting, drafting and instituting Hiring Policies locally.
“The Act allowing it, once brought to the governments attention, should have been altered.”
Local management is not required to submit their Hiring Policies to the government. The act does not have any specified requirements other than Public Institutions must provide access to French services. The implementation calculation required to be in compliance is interpreted under local authority. Not the ACT.
“It was not changed, partly because politicians avoid the language issue.”
Politicians have NO legal jurisdiction in the hiring policies. It’s locally administered.
@ Eric. It was only months ago that Howard Galganov and his followers made absolute fools of themselves trying to get a township council to pass an illegal resolution that would prevent any changes to their sign laws in perpetuity. It was total insanity! First, a council can not pass a law that ties the hands of future councils. Second, Galganov and his group were staging this circus in a township where there was no issue with the sign regulations. Sure, they made it on to newscasts across the country, but only as a humourous item tacked on to the news for fun. That silliness set your cause back big-time.
Furtz August 2, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Oh furts its not done yet
@ Hungry. I think the monkeys will be OK. They tend to get along with people better than a lot of people do.
Eric wrote: Petitions, rallies and pickets show the frustration
They certainly do, but what does it accomplish? Thinking you need to change your entire approach if you want to accomplish something.
HFTT asked: WHO or WHAT CHANGED THE FOCUS?
Let me reiterate: Seeing that the LFA (AT THE TIME) was going nowhere and nor was galganov, he jumped right in there to garner support for his own radical agenda. Instead of running around the Country and criticizing everything that’s not relevant, much more would be gained if they concentrated on the real issue of unfair hiring practices in Cornwall. LFA (AT THE TIME) was going nowhere and nor was galganov, he jumped right in there to garner support for his own radical agenda.
HFTT wrote: Instead of running around the Country and criticizing everything that’s not relevant, much more would be gained if they concentrated on the real issue of unfair hiring practices in Cornwall.
HFTT: Unfair hiring practises is not galganov’s major concern
FRENCH IS. He is their fearless leader, that is why they want the entire country involved. highlander was proud to say that some people are talking civil war……….can you imagine? Something to be proud of for sure.
highlander: Oh furts its not done yet
The head cook and bottle washer has spoken. LMAO
@ Eric Agreed, time to stop the Francho gravy train, time to fend for themselves. I would like to see a choice of where my tax dollars go. If we must have 2 official languages, then why can’t we have a choice if our tax $$ goes to English or to French. Fair is fair….
@ Furtz
For someone so concerned about global hunger, for the love of Christ I can’t fathom why you spend so much energy sputtering propaganda on this forum. Weird or what….
@ HHFT
If your so concerned about unfair hiring practices & don’t like LFA or CLF, by george, why don’t you start your own group…
@ concerned citizen 2. I’m an old retired fart with a computer and too much time on my hands. What’s your excuse?
@Eric.
I am shocked to learn that Heritage is moving it’s office to Gatineau. Of course, it shouldn’t really surprise me but…
AND, at a cost of 2.3 millon dollars. Once again footed by the “MAJORITY” Anglophone tax payers in this country.
Shesh. Where does it end? Or, does it?
Oh, i guess that means they will be able to change their web site to French first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxHI4-ZLpxs&hd=1
Just another “federal” French first web site we can add to the ever growing list.
I actually wouldn’t doubt it if that is already done and waiting.
concerned citizen 2 August 2, 2013 at 7:51 pm .
“If your so concerned about unfair hiring practices & don’t like LFA or CLF, by george, why don’t you start your own group…”
Thank-You for your kind offer. But as I’ve said in many previous post I do not now nor do I have any desire of belonging to any group.
Why would their be a need to start another group? The local chapter membership affiliation to a NATIONAL AGENDA seems to be serving the members well.
It’s not because I question the lack of a measurable results from a local chapter of a NATIONAL group that I dislike the groups. After 3 years of efforts what has the local chapter of LFA contributed at effectuating change for the members of the Cornwall Community Hospital on unfair Hiring Policies?
Why are you concerned? What motivates you to see change happen in Cornwall. Why do you post? Is it to be applauded for your witty slams? Are you concerned for the quality of life for the members of this community? Do tell…..
Thank-You for your concerns and offer…..
Disappointment can sometimes be interpreted as dislike.
stellabystarlight
August 2, 2013 at 7:21 pm
“HFTT: Unfair hiring practises is not galganov’s major concern
FRENCH IS.”
-Howards major concerns is RIGHTS -not french people -Good attempt at spinning this .
“Let me reiterate: Seeing that the LFA (AT THE TIME) was going nowhere and nor was galganov,”
-KEEP UP THE PROPAGANDA and SPIN.
“highlander was proud to say that some people are talking civil war……….can you imagine? Something to be proud of for sure.”
I was proud to say that some people are talking of civil war ?
I simply informed that more people are talking of it on line ,social media ,and other venues.
-Lies ,innuendo’s,propaganda when does it ever stop Stella ?
Which one of the many francophone groups promotes you to do this and defer from the REAL subject of Addressing inequality and unfair language laws?
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But folks there is that character building again ,I was making every attempt to remain civil in the debate but that bully is back in the sandbox and I do not put up with bullies .
Perhaps our moderator needs to address one’s on here who’s only contribution is to provoke hostility as this is counter intuitive to civility and open discussion as I am sure others would write for it were not for this.