Eric Little of Ottawa on Language Service Fairness in Ontario – LTE – July 25, 2013

Eric Little of Ottawa on Language Service Fairness in Ontario – LTE – July 25, 2013

Canada TOPOOver the next few weeks while speaking with friends about various issues of the day, pay attention to your comments. Are you saying oh well, it has been going on a long time, what can you do, you can’t fight City Hall or something else that is similar?  We have become so accustomed to not doing anything for the greater good we just explain it away, or provide some creative justification to continue doing nothing. Sometimes people feel helpless, it is more work than they have time for right now, they don’t want to get involved, or a favorite, that is somebody else’s job. Really? Caring about what you see around you, doing something about it and wanting a better life for your kids is somebody else’s job? Whose?

Henry Ford once said,” if you think you can do a thing or think you can’t do a thing, you’re right.” At first glance that may be a fence sitter position, however if you use it get yourself motivated, it is a rallying cry. You just need to pay attention and connect a couple of dots along the way to get started. Talking about it with friends, posting in Cornwall Free News and sending an email to a politician are all perfect and expected of citizens in a democratic society. So would be joining a group with similar concerns. We certainly see that with hundreds of Francophone groups, the majority of which are funded by all taxpayers including you.

Something that you may take exception to and want to get involved with is how French services are being guaranteed politically, legally and financially. The Ontario French Language Services Commissioner is on record saying “. A designated agency or program provides its supplier with legal immunity that protects it from changes in the economic and political climate”. As far as I know, Ontario does not have an English only government agency or entity, and if there were, they could be shut down in seconds, unlike these “first class” entities and agencies who signed on to the French Languages Services Act.

I am not saying shut down French services, I am saying fairness to all taxpayers has vanished but paying for it is still up to all taxpayers. Jobs are increasingly bilingual but the numbers of bilingual citizens outside of Quebec has stayed stagnant or dropped. Ontario revoked the fairness is a 2 way street act in 2006 allowing more Quebec residents to find work here, should the Ontario government not help its citizens first before other provinces? Certainly Quebec does! Go ahead, get involved or just say, “if you think you can do a thing or think you can’t do a thing, you’re right.”

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James Moak

278 Responses to "Eric Little of Ottawa on Language Service Fairness in Ontario – LTE – July 25, 2013"

  1. Cory Cameron   August 3, 2013 at 6:55 AM

    On the topic of a fair and measurable approach to the issue of hiring and bilingualism, Joyce Wright has a petition going forward that would attempt to affect positive change for this issue. The question I have is why would a group of Francophone Right’s representatives start up a counter petition to this?

  2. edudyorlik   August 3, 2013 at 8:38 AM

    @Cory… Good point Cory…

    Why would they want to give up their monopoly on secure, good paying jobs? You know, like they have without question in Quebec and also here in Ontario now too.

    Again, it’s NOT about fairness to them, it’s about French first, French dominant and then through motions passed in government in French only in the late afternoon on a day when only a certain small number of senators are available to vote they then move to the next step, which is …

    ** French ONLY **

    Wherever they gain a foothold.

    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r8OszZvdzyM/URPkKCj5caI/AAAAAAAAAa4/XvYI1o-359c/s250-no/Sign+-+Everything+in+French+only.jpg

    https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-uiXmAIFkRC4/UTYV7Pzv4cI/AAAAAAAAAco/-4y3P4DmNKY/w718-h410-no/Enbrun+-+poste+de+pompiers.png

    Have a good weekend everyone… 🙂

  3. highlander   August 3, 2013 at 8:52 AM

    Great point Cory ,

    But Joyce isn’t sponsored by government grants like those French organizations.

    So the government in effect is sponsoring groups that are pro using a counter petition to not have fairness in hiring.

    NOW THERE IS TAX PAYERS MONEY WELL SPENT!

    SEE FOLKS LANGUAGE APARTHEID IS NATIONAL ISSUE !
    AS WELL AS LOCAL.

  4. Hungry for the Truth....   August 3, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    Cory Cameron August 3, 2013 at 6:55 am
    “On the topic of a fair and measurable approach to the issue of hiring and bilingualism, Joyce Wright has a petition going forward that would attempt to affect positive change for this issue. The question I have is why would a group of Francophone Right’s representatives start up a counter petition to this?”

    The questions I have are about what has changed?

    When you organized the Protest rally in March of 2012 where you not the catalyst force behind it? Was your objective not to effectuate change in the in this community in regards to the UNFAIR HIRING PRACTICES at the CCH? Is it no longer part your of your objective?

    The purpose of a petition I believed was was to garner support for the petitioner(S). To be utilized and included as an aid in to the defence to demonstrate support to the contention being disputed.

    Why would they not have that equal Right?

    Thank-You for the information.

  5. Hungry for the Truth....   August 3, 2013 at 9:55 AM

    highlander August 3, 2013 at 8:52 am

    “But Joyce isn’t sponsored by government grants like those French organizations.”

    “So the government in effect is sponsoring groups that are pro using a counter petitionto not have fairness in hiring.”

    “NOW THERE IS TAX PAYERS MONEY WELL SPENT!”

    Well….Well….Now. Just so all readers get the FACTUAL TRUTH.

    The link that invites you to sign on to the petition is being hosted
    on a Government Sponsored Site. And the person that’s collecting
    the names for this petition is a paid employee of the a CROWN
    COPARATION of the GOVERNMENT OF CANADA.

    CBC/RADIO CANADA.

  6. stellabystarlight   August 3, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    highlander wrote: I simply informed that more people are talking of it on line ,social media ,and other venues.

    Why would you even bring it up? Is it a scare tactic or cajoling to garner more support for those who like trouble?

    Bullying you say? Nope not at all, just speaking my mind and how I perceive things. It’s called freedom of speech. Isn’t that part and parcel of what you are fighting for?

    highlander wrote: -Lies ,innuendo’s,propaganda when does it ever stop Stella ?

    Opinions are not lies, innuendo’s nor propaganda. In other countries, people get stoned to death for sharing their thoughts and expressing their feelings. This is not the Middle East.

    THIS IS CANADA, THE HOME OF THE FREE.

  7. Furtz   August 3, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    This Just In! Canada is now officially a Fascist state!….
    John Baird, our foreign affairs, has been told to stop using English-only business cards!! It’s all over folks. The French takeover of Canada is complete! Oh, the humanity!!

  8. stellabystarlight   August 3, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    OMG HFTT…..You are something else. Once again you have shown the inaccuracy of their claims.

    BRAVO!!!! You never cease to amaze!!!!

  9. Furtz   August 3, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    “minister of foreign affairs”

  10. stellabystarlight   August 3, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    What is really irritating about this is the fact they are online all day long, trying to find any damn article they could get their hands whether factual or not and post them……as gospel truth.

    The truth of the matter is when one takes the time to investigate such claims, come to find out they only post what they want.

    Example: highlander:

    But Joyce isn’t sponsored by government grants like those French organizations.

    HFTT after checking this false claim out: Well….Well….Now. Just so all readers get the FACTUAL TRUTH.

    The link that invites you to sign on to the petition is being hosted
    on a Government Sponsored Site. And the person that’s collecting
    the names for this petition is a paid employee of the a CROWN
    COPARATION of the GOVERNMENT OF CANADA.

    CBC/RADIO CANADA.

    Highlander is so quick at calling me and others liars…….yep

    Folks…..he is at it again or should I say he just never stops.

  11. stellabystarlight   August 3, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Furtz……OMG that is scary. Gee, now I will have to get my business cards changed to French. I am pi$$ed, my hard earned money wasted again because of the language laws. This has to stop.

  12. Hungry for the Truth....   August 3, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    stellabystarlight August 3, 2013 at 11:36 am

    “THIS IS CANADA, THE HOME OF THE FREE.”

    But one can only be left in amazement and bewilderment when
    comments such as the below one is expressed.

    “Perhaps our moderator needs to address one’s on here who’s only contribution is to provoke hostility as this is counter intuitive to civility and open discussion as I am sure others would write for it were not for this.” Highlander August 3, 2013 at 4:32 am

    If it was true as it is suggested, that some posters “only contribution is to provoke hostility” why would they be moderated and have their right to express their views suppressed?

    THIS IS CANADA, THE HOME OF THE FREE. The land of EQUAL RIGHT to FREEDOM OF SPEECH. TO ALL CANADAIANS.EVEN IF THEY DO NOT REFLECT OUR VIEWS OR WAYS.

    “Bullying you say?” stellabystarlight August 3, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Stella I think the bullying INNUENDO was not directed at you but someone else.

    “But folks there is that character building again ,I was making every attempt to remain civil in the debate but that bully is back in the sandbox and I do not put up with bullies .” Highlander August 3, 2013 at 4:32 am

    What I’m left with when I see questionable comments such as these is how they indicate familiar behaviours like we see with our present City Council.

    Although this group is not elected but self appointed they are nonetheless a Public group with a Public Agenda utilizing a Public Domain such as CFN. They propagate and advocate their AGENDA in PUBLIC WITH THE PUBLIC.

    But no one should ask for accountability nor have the right to question any of their motives or agenda.

    But as you say Stella, “THIS IS CANADA, THE HOME OF THE FREE.”

  13. highlander   August 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    Hungry for the Truth…. August 3, 2013 at 9:55 am

    SO ARE YOU SAYING BY THIS THAT THE CROWN CORPORATION FOOTS THE BILL FOR HE TO DO THIS?

    And the person that’s collecting the names for this petition is a paid employee of the a CROWN COPARATION of the GOVERNMENT OF CANADA.

    CBC/RADIO CANADA.

    IF NOT WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THAT STATEMENT?

  14. highlander   August 3, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    CORRECTION:
    SO ARE YOU SAYING BY THIS THAT THE CROWN CORPORATION FOOTS THE BILL FOR SHE TO DO THIS?

    “Opinions are not lies, innuendo’s nor propaganda. In other countries, people get stoned to death for sharing their thoughts and expressing their feelings.”

    DR.GREOBBELS WOULD BE PROUD OF YOU ,HE DEFINITELY COULD HAVE USED YOUR SRVICES AND YOUR MINDSET!
    BUT TO SERVE THE VICHY.

  15. Cory Cameron   August 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    Hungry for the Truth:

    “The questions I have are about what has changed?

    When you organized the Protest rally in March of 2012 where you not the catalyst force behind it? Was your objective not to effectuate change in the in this community in regards to the UNFAIR HIRING PRACTICES at the CCH? Is it no longer part your of your objective?

    The purpose of a petition I believed was was to garner support for the petitioner(S). To be utilized and included as an aid in to the defence to demonstrate support to the contention being disputed.

    Why would they not have that equal Right?

    Thank-You for the information.”

    Groups such as LFA, CLF, Howard Galganov and now Joyce Wright have begun to petition in response to government policies that favour Francophones in the job market to the detriment of all other Canadians. Take a look at the Civil Service stats provided by many on this site. Clearly, there is a disproportionate hiring of all things government for people of French ethnicity. I say that as many bilingual English people have been going to school garnering a bilingual education all throughout their schooling and yet still do not have the same access to acquiring these jobs as Francophones do. Yes, they can still apply for the jobs – but rarely do they if ever, get hired for them…..

    And now, think of all of the other non-Francophone naturalized Canadians with the many skillsets whose talents, education and experience may even surpass those of French and English Canadians. There is the real likelihood that they’re not even considered for good-paying jobs due to the inequities of bilingual policies…..

    As to the following:

    “The purpose of a petition I believed was was to garner support for the petitioner(S). To be utilized and included as an aid in to the defence to demonstrate support to the contention being disputed.

    Why would they not have that equal Right?

    Well, there are several groups advocating for very real, very impacting and a very different set of ideals in regards to hiring. Groups such as LFA, CLF, Galganov and now Joyce Wright are asking that the approach to bilingual hiring be tasked a bit differently. Some suggestions include a representation by population approach or even to have successful candidates actually be the applicants who have the most/best qualifications rather than the best bilingual or even French-speaking candidate.

    Why not institute perhaps a points-based system whereby points are awarded to potential candidates based on education, years of experience, volunteerism, etc.?

    Hey, maybe we could approach something like this (you and I) and work on a template much as you suggested and approach the CCH board for the issue of full-time nurse hires. After all, the template was a great idea and I would like to give credit where credit is due! 😉

    In any case, this is the issue how I see it. Joyce Wright, LFA and Galganov are asking that the government review bilingual hiring policies and make it more accessible for the hiring of non-Francophones. They and I would argue that the current system is unfair as it creates an elitist system that favours the hiring of Francophones.

    The counter petition to Wright’s seems to want to protect and promote the current system that propogates the disproportionate hiring and if I may paraphrase one CFN poster, continue ‘the gravy train’ for Francophones.

    Now what is so so unfair about Wright’s petition that has garnered the attention of so many Francophones?

    Numbers prove that the hiring of Francophones in Canada for all things government is disproportionate to actual needs.

  16. highlander   August 3, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    Hungry for the Truth…. August 3, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    ” THIS IS CANADA, THE HOME OF THE FREE. The land of EQUAL RIGHT to FREEDOM OF SPEECH. TO ALL CANADAIANS.EVEN IF THEY DO NOT REFLECT OUR VIEWS OR WAYS.”

    SORRY YOUR WRONG TRUE FREEDOM DOESN’T RESTRICT WHAT A BUSSINESS OWNER CHOICE OF LANGUAGE ON THEIR BUSSINESS SIGNS !
    OR TO PASS LAWS LIKE BILL 14 AS I HAVE PROVEN TO YOU ALLOWS FOR ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZURE AGAINST THE CHARTER.
    WHAT ABOUT QUEBECS BILL 101 AND NOW BILL 14 WHUCH RESTRICTS AND LIMITS LANGUAGE TO ONLY FRENCH IN A PRIVATE WORKPLACE.
    MY SUGGESTION TO YOU IS BE INFORMED READ BILL 14 ,RHEN AGAIN DO NOT IF YOUR NOT HUNGRY FOR THE TRURH.

    P.S. 8 DAYS AND WAITING ON THAT LINGUISTIC SERVICES OFFERED BY AMERICAN HOSPITALS THAT YOUR “INQUIAITIVE” MIND WANTED TO KNOW.

    YOU DIDN’T BELIEVE WHAT I SAID LOOK IT UP ,OR IS WILLING TO ADMIT YOUR WRONG THAT BAD …..ITS PART OF INTELLIGENCE TO ADMIT IT AS WELL LEARN FROM ONES ERRORS.
    FOR PRIDE LIMITS AND CLOSES ONES MIND TO REASONING AND LOGIC .

    SO ARE YOU WRONG OR TOO FULL OF PRIDE?

  17. Hungry for the Truth....   August 3, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    highlander August 3, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    “ SO ARE YOU SAYING BY THIS THAT THE CROWN CORPORATION FOOTS THE BILL FOR HE TO DO THIS?” highlander August 3, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    “But Joyce isn’t sponsored by government grants like those
    French organizations.” highlander August 3, 2013 at 8:52 am

    “So the government in effect is sponsoring groups that are pro using a counter petition to not have fairness in hiring.” highlander August 3, 2013 at 8:52 am

    I’m not saying anything except for posting accurate information and let the reader decode what they think.

  18. bella   August 3, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    stellabystarlight
    August 3, 2013 at 11:36 am
    Bullying you say? Nope not at all, just speaking my mind and how I perceive things. It’s called freedom of speech. Isn’t that part and parcel of what you are fighting for?

    highlander wrote: -Lies ,innuendo’s,propaganda when does it ever stop Stella ?

    Opinions are not lies, innuendo’s nor propaganda. In other countries, people get stoned to death for sharing their thoughts and expressing their feelings. This is not the Middle East.

    “You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”
    — Harlan Ellison

  19. Furtz   August 3, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    I spent a bit of time checking out Howard Galganov’s site last night. It’s classic. In his “About Howard” intro, he says that he isn’t a Francophobe or a racist. That’s always a clue about what the truth really is. Then I went on to read some of the rants that he writes almost daily. All I can say is Holy Jumpin! This clown is no fan of Francophones, Quebec, or the French culture. He’s even got a rant about African-Americans that would make any hard-core white supremacist proud! And of course, there’s the usual whining about the mythical leftist press. It’s pretty interesting and telling that freedom-fighters like the Cameron brothers would hitch their wagon to Howard’s horse.

  20. Hungry for the Truth....   August 3, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    highlander August 3, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    “P.S. 8 DAYS AND WAITING ON THAT LINGUISTIC SERVICES OFFERED BY AMERICAN HOSPITALS THAT YOUR “INQUIAITIVE” MIND WANTED TO KNOW.”

    I have already answered your very important question.

    PS…In closing I have had no success at reaching Obama. I thought the best solution to avoid any further delays, is that you post the information you have and I’ll evaluate. I’ll be waiting ……Hungry for the Truth August 2, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    You could have prevented yourself all that wasted typing.

  21. Cory Cameron   August 3, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    Furtz, {MODERATED}:

    “I spent a bit of time checking out Howard Galganov’s site last night. It’s classic. In his “About Howard” intro, he says that he isn’t a Francophobe or a racist. That’s always a clue about what the truth really is. Then I went on to read some of the rants that he writes almost daily. All I can say is Holy Jumpin! This clown is no fan of Francophones, Quebec, or the French culture.”

    Now Furtz, did you conveniently forget to mention that Howard spent months at a time with armed bodyguards; fearing for his very life?

    Perhaps this is why he’s no fan of Quebec or ethnocentrists?

    I wonder if your life was ever in danger for attempting to right the wrongs in the very community in which you grew up and were just trying to be considered an ‘equal’ amongst a province’s majority population?

    I wonder if you would have developed some of the same views had you experienced what Howard did in La Belle Province?

    You guys must be paid to be doing this; to drag our names through the mud like this!

    Why not sit down with me over Coffey’s Coffee one night the next time I’m in Cornwall?

    Perhaps I may even rid you of your preconceptions about me?

  22. Hungry for the Truth....   August 3, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    highlander August 3, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    “SORRY YOUR WRONG TRUE FREEDOM DOESN’T RESTRICT WHAT A BUSSINESS OWNER CHOICE OF LANGUAGE ON THEIR BUSSINESS SIGNS ! OR TO PASS LAWS LIKE BILL 14 AS I HAVE PROVEN TO YOU ALLOWS FOR ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZURE AGAINST THE CHARTER. WHAT ABOUT QUEBECS BILL 101 AND NOW BILL 14 WHUCH RESTRICTS AND LIMITS LANGUAGE TO ONLY FRENCH IN A PRIVATE WORKPLACE. MY SUGGESTION TO YOU IS BE INFORMED READ BILL 14 ,RHEN AGAIN DO NOT IF YOUR NOT HUNGRY FOR THE TRURH.”

    This may very well be all true and factual. But how does any of this information advance the objective of improving the unfair Hiring Practices in Cornwall Ontario?

  23. Cory Cameron   August 3, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    Hungry for the Truth…. August 3, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    highlander August 3, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    “SORRY YOUR WRONG TRUE FREEDOM DOESN’T RESTRICT WHAT A BUSSINESS OWNER CHOICE OF LANGUAGE ON THEIR BUSSINESS SIGNS ! OR TO PASS LAWS LIKE BILL 14 AS I HAVE PROVEN TO YOU ALLOWS FOR ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZURE AGAINST THE CHARTER. WHAT ABOUT QUEBECS BILL 101 AND NOW BILL 14 WHUCH RESTRICTS AND LIMITS LANGUAGE TO ONLY FRENCH IN A PRIVATE WORKPLACE. MY SUGGESTION TO YOU IS BE INFORMED READ BILL 14 ,RHEN AGAIN DO NOT IF YOUR NOT HUNGRY FOR THE TRURH.”

    This may very well be all true and factual. But how does any of this information advance the objective of improving the unfair Hiring Practices in Cornwall Ontario?

    That is a good point,

    Thanks.

  24. Cory Cameron   August 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    Furtz:

    May I suggest you read Howard’s new editorial, “By Any Measure – A HUGE SUCCESS

  25. highlander   August 3, 2013 at 6:19 PM

    bella August 3, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    “You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.” — Harlan Ellison

    Oh bella there could be no better a quote to define STELLA.
    THAT’ S PRICELESS ……STILL.WAITING ON HER TO PROVIDE VALID DATA AS OPPOSED TO PROPAGANDA…..WAITING OVER 2 YEARS NOW.

    REMEMBER STELLA A PROOF IS A PROOF HOW DO YOU PROVIDE PROOF WELL A PROOFS PROOF WHEN PROVEN,THEN ITS THE PROOF.

    I KEEP READING THAT QUOTE AND LAUGH IT’S STARTING TO HURT I’M NOW QUESTIONING IF HALAN ELLISON KNEW STELLA AND HE HAD HER IN MIND WHEN HE WROTE THAT QUOTE.

  26. Furtz   August 3, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    So Cory, are you saying that your hero is a Francophobe and a racist for good reason?

  27. stellabystarlight   August 4, 2013 at 7:49 AM

    Running out right now to buy galgavov’s book. I don’t want to be standing for a couple of hours in a line up.

    Furtz wrote: This clown is no fan of Francophones, Quebec, or the French culture. He’s even got a rant about African-Americans that would make any hard-core white supremacist proud! It’s pretty interesting and telling that freedom-fighters like the Cameron brothers would hitch their wagon to Howard’s horse.

    Telling for sure…..when in desperate measures for desperate needs.

    cory wrote: Now Furtz, did you conveniently forget to mention that Howard spent months at a time with armed bodyguards; fearing for his very life?

    WOW that speaks volumes about the man.

    cory wrote: Perhaps this is why he’s no fan of Quebec or ethnocentrists?

    He has very few fans in Ontario also, that was evident when he ran for elections.

    HFTT wrote: This may very well be all true and factual. But how does any of this information advance the objective of improving the unfair Hiring Practices in Cornwall Ontario?

    The answer is it doesn’t HFTT. (FURTZ) “Since they hitched their wagon to galganov’s horse” their objective changed. It’s galganov’s radical agenda that’s the main focus.

  28. stellabystarlight   August 4, 2013 at 7:52 AM

    correction: when in desperation, one resorts to desperate measures

  29. Hungry for the Truth....   August 4, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    Cory Cameron August 3, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    “Groups such as LFA, CLF, Howard Galganov and now Joyce Wright have begun to petition in response to government policies that favour Francophones in the job market to the detriment of all other Canadians.”

    Cory,

    It’s excellent that there are petitions in circulation. My disagreement does not reside in the use of a petition as an aid that can assists in the defence and lend support to a contentious disagreement.

    WHO!, the PETITIONER, needs to petition takes our views and beliefs in separate directions. I believe the cause that creates the symptom of unfairness is not created by the government directly. Indirectly yes, because it is the Act that require Public Institutions to provide services in French.

    You advocate and defend that government should be petitioned in order to correct the symptom of unfairness. You have previously stated that the French Language Services Act of Ontario is the cause that unfairly deny English-peaking candidates to access employment in Public Institutions.

    I advocate in this forum and defend that local ADMINISTRATION of the Public Institutions, is responsible. Local Administration create the the symptom of unfairness in their analysis and use of the inefficient and unrealistic Provincial Calculation Formula.

    Local Administration rely on the present Provincial Calculation Formula to determine Staff requirements to be in compliance with the Act.

    They utilize Statistics Canada Data that provides answers to two basic questions. 1) The number of French-speaking residents 2) Where they live. Based on the Cornwall Statistics 24% are french-speaking. (example, it has no importance for now)

    I have submitted in the past that the present DATA available from Statistic Canada to the Public Institutions does not provide sufficiently elaborated DATA to assist Local Administration that is required to estimate the needs of staff requirements and draft fair Hiring Policies.

    What the present Statistical Data provides is the amount of French-speaking residents in Cornwall.

    What the present DATA does not provide is the Actual USAGE of the French Services in Cornwall by the French-speaking population. Presently the estimated calculation for Staff requirement is done on the Provincial Statistical formula which is based on how many French-speaking citizens reside in Cornwall.

    What the present DATA does not answer is an estimate of how
    many of the 9,500 French-speaking residents in Cornwall will utilized the FRECH SERVICES today. Not all 9,500 French-speaking residents will utilize French Services all together today. Some may never use the service. Some may use it once a year. Some every 3 years. How do we know? The Data is presently not available.

    What the present data does not provide is how many French-speaking residents FACTUALLY UTILIZE French Services in Cornwall every day, month or yearly.

    What time of the day how many times a year what services were provided how many French-speaking how many English-peaking are admitted per week per year etc..etc… This is why the Hiring Policies are unfair. The method of evaluating the required amount of Staff is disproportionately unrealistic due to the incomplete and inadequate DATA used to evaluate the LOCAL USAGE OF The French Language Services.

    Staff LAGUAGE requirements should be measured against Local Statistical Data based on actual French Services USAGE. VS How many French-speaking residents in Cornwall.

    You get the Idea? If this kind of DATA was available when drafting Hiring Policies and establishing staff requirements it would be done in a more reflective way. It would result at making the Hiring Policies more representative by population based on ACTUAL FRENCH SERVICES USAGE VS HOW MANY DEMOGRAPHER.

    Example… 200 patients Today at CCH, 175English-speaking / 25French-speaking Staff required 75% English-peaking / 25% French-speaking or bilingual.

    Based on reflective, actual Statistical Data compiled at each individual Public Institution. Not a Provincial formula of how many French-speaking citizens in Cornwall. How many French-speaking citizens in Cornwall UTILIZED French services.

    If DATA is compiled for a period of six months we start seeing patterns in the Data. Over a year you have Factual USAGE Data that is reflective to the ACTUAL USAGE. Factual USAGE data is a strong evidentiary tool to argue a case for Fair Hiring Practises.
    French Language Services is needed. What is not measured is HOW MUCH actual USAGE? REALISTIC USAGE = REALISTIC ESTIMATE OF BILINGUAL STAFF REQUIRED.

    This is one Idea that could create a working template and could be further developed.

    This remedy is in the Public Institution’s Board of Directors power to effectuate this change immediately, not the government jurisdiction.

    At the risk of sounding redundant I would appreciate your confirmation on your agreement or disagreement to this information.

    I do not view this as a competition. The only interest I have in this issue is assisting if I can at improving a very unfair situation, that could be preventing good people from working at their Profession in this community.

    This working template could assist other communities on the Provincial and National levels.

    I am not looking to score points, just your opinion. Do you see this as a feasible achievable approach that could render an equilibrium in the Hiring Practices?

    I would like to respond too other issues. Due to the length of the your original post and the length of my response I thought it best to break it up.

  30. Richard tremblay   August 4, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    the bill 14 hasn’t even passed yet. real bill 186….and actually go to Québec. Don’t go by word of mouth, take a ride in Kirkland, Pointe-Claire, vieux port de montreal. Howard encourages people to boycott french owned stores…and he’s your hero… Go figure.

  31. bella   August 4, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Richard, ask your anglo friends to drive through Montreal on the Trans Canada highway and tell me how they make out. Throw in some construction, and lots and lots of signs all in French. Not a lick of English to be seen. Why is that? Why must I take my like in my hands to drive across the one and only province that refuses equality?

  32. Furtz   August 4, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    @ Stella. Yup. If I was involved in a cause to correct unjust laws, I sure wouldn’t want a raving racist on my team, never mind leading it.

  33. Furtz   August 4, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    @ bella. I’ve driven across Canada more times than I can remember. I don’t recall ever seeing a French language traffic sign anywhere west of the Quebec border.

  34. Hungry for the Truth....   August 4, 2013 at 7:55 PM

    bella August 4, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    “Throw in some construction, and lots and lots of signs all in French.”

    How difficult can it be to find “Boulevard Decarie” in English” on a French sign.

    “Why must I take my like in my hands to drive across the one and only province that refuses equality?”

    Richard probably wanted you to take a stroll and see first hand all your TAX $$$ paying for all of that construction. He was being thoughtful. There is EQUALLY as much construction in Toronto right now.

    “When they discover the centre of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to
    discover they are not it”

    Bernard Bailey

  35. Hungry for the Truth....   August 4, 2013 at 7:59 PM

    @Clair de Lune,

    stellabystarlight August 4, 2013 at 7:49 am
    “Running out right now to buy galgavov’s book. I don’t want to be standing for a couple of hours in a line up.”

    You watch yourself and be careful if your running. Look both sides
    before you cross the road. Hope that you find what you need. You should bring some sun block and a chair with you just in case the line up is long.

    “HFTT wrote: But how does any of this information advance the objective of improving the unfair Hiring Practices in Cornwall Ontario?”

    I understand that the Languages Laws extend outside of this
    community. But I thought this was about was bringing Languages
    Fairness in our own back yard. I did not realize that it has to
    included having the Constitution of Canada amended before it
    could bring some positive change to Cornwall.

    I feel like Major General James Peter Wolfe. The fearless leaders must of taken lessons from Harper and issued a gag order. Silence. No one talk until they have gone. No more questions. They have chosen to retreat and become silent. Maybe there’s a rally on the the Hill? Where have they gone? Just as well this way the thousands of viewers that read and don’t post will have all of our comments to PONDER.

    We’ll talk amongst ourselves. How about how great of a Country we live in?

    Why not it’s CANADA THE LAND OF THE FREE…..

  36. English Lassie   August 4, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    @hftt
    Nice idea re:actual use of French services, etc..
    BUT, the Franchophone groups will tell their members to request French services on the survey to bump up their numbers.
    The easiest solution is to have a translator available if someone needs it. Hire for merit & not language. English is the working language of the hospital, the city, the provience, the country & the world.
    WTH is it so freakin complicated!

  37. Eric   August 5, 2013 at 5:12 AM

    HFTT, sure the local group hiring is at fault for misinterpreting, however, the Ontario FLSA asks for a certain items to be done, and federal rules were in place to affect change. The FLSA is allowing discrimination by allowing groups to sign on, which in turn get guaranteed funding and certain legal implications both enshrining and ensuring that group can continue above non bilingual groups. That is not or should not be considered fairness.
    This New Brunswick article includes a woman starting a petition, but lists the NB government allowing local groups to hiring as a “team”. So someone at a more junior level involved with hiring has more say than is right, interpretation of needs should be done at a higher level. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2013/07/31/nb-official-language-petitions-725.html

    We have gone away from citizens asking for service in English or French and allowing employees to work in or be supervised in, the language of their choice, is a big cause. Return to government helping the citizens not making new government departments to prove their need in this way.

  38. Highlander   August 5, 2013 at 6:23 AM

    Richard tremblay
    August 4, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    the bill 14 hasn’t even passed yet.

    Many said the same about bill 101 ,do not worry bill 101 hasn’t passed yet.

    Bill 14 remains the most oppressive of the many language laws in Canada ,so all should sit back quietly while it get passed?

    This coming from an individual that wants SEGREGATION!

    French only schools (already happens ),french only daycare’s (already) happens ,French only health clinics (already )happens ,yet ……services outside these are bilingual ……….

    ONTARIO PEOPLE you want to see the future of Ontario LOOK AT NEW BRUNSWICK -no longer is bilingualism about inclusion it has developed into a segregation of services with parallel English and French institutions at the taxpayers expense .

    How is that beneficial for society -but these are the ideals that Richard advocates for!

  39. Highlander   August 5, 2013 at 6:29 AM

    Furtz
    August 4, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Well in that old age your memory really isn’t servicing you well.

    401 as far as Toronto I have seen bilingual construction signs .
    As of late the 416 heading towards Ottawa lots of construction there all signs are in both languages.

    So is that to say that Ontario is concerned of the safety for English and French ,while Quebec is only concerned for French safety,by the signs it would appear so.

  40. Highlander   August 5, 2013 at 7:22 AM

    English Lassie
    August 4, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    Eric
    August 5, 2013 at 5:12 am

    Hungry by his approach would create a whole new bureaucracy.
    Imagine the millions or perhaps billions to do the research thought Canada.

    We already having the measuring tool Stats Canada Data .Why create a whole new bureaucracy and the costs that go with it .

    How many years would it take to first of all get approval ,then create the bureaucracy ,then go town to town city to city.
    Lets not forget to implement suggested changes accordingly ,then panel reviews .

    Then all that data must be correlated and processed by stats Canada city by city, town by town for those numbers to be implemented .

    So by the end perhaps billions… 20 years in the making to basically follow what chances are the same percentage as already provided by stats Canada .

    Why,why why unless the liberal government want’s another bureaucracy?Its only a billion here and a billion there but pennies do add up.

    Hungry for the Truth….
    August 4, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    “HFTT wrote: But how does any of this information advance the objective of improving the unfair Hiring Practices in Cornwall Ontario?”

    Once again its like the highway traffic act .The government sets the legislation and speed limits are set by the government and not the police officers .

    The provincial and federal government by not setting standards with regards to hiring practices under legislation has in essence allowed those government entities to set the standards .

    Therefor this is akin to police services putting up posted speed limit signs and dictating what are the speed limits .

    Hungry yes its a local issue ,but as well as a national issue its the governments to be accountable for enforcement of those policies and are not those government entities that are under the umbrella of the government!

    Hey lives for lies… I am still waiting for that American Hospital information ,in your infinite wisdom have you considered calling a few hospitals to attain that data …..or you really not hungry for the truth?

    Our”inquisitive minds” want to know……oh yes its that pride thing getting in the way again.

  41. Highlander   August 5, 2013 at 7:41 AM

    Hungry for the Truth….
    August 4, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    “I feel like Major General James Peter Wolfe. The fearless leaders must of taken lessons from Harper and issued a gag order. Silence. No one talk until they have gone. No more questions. They have chosen to retreat and become silent. Maybe there’s a rally on the the Hill? Where have they gone? Just as well this way the thousands of viewers that read and don’t post will have all of our comments to PONDER.”

    Oh now you have resorted to sarcasm…..I only thought you provided proof ….ya whatever ….your agenda is coming out …better to cloak it under the impression of a fence sitter .

    Please do NOTE the viewers are not stupid as Stella has implied ,stop drinking her tainted cool-aid .

    “We’ll talk amongst ourselves. How about how great of a Country we live in?

    Why not it’s CANADA THE LAND OF THE FREE…..”

    Once gain lives for lies we remain not a free country when groups or minorities are oppressed hell even the states have rightfully eliminated segregation now we have instituted our own form…
    Called language apartheid ,

    Till ALL citizens are treated equal then we remain not a free land as freedoms are not limited to the ability of ones communication.

  42. stellabystarlight   August 5, 2013 at 7:50 AM

    HFTT wrote: I thought this was about was bringing Languages Fairness in our own back yard. I did not realize that it has to included having the Constitution of Canada amended before it could bring some positive change to Cornwall.

    Like FURTZ said “It’s pretty interesting and telling that freedom-fighters like the Cameron brothers would hitch their wagon to Howard’s horse.”

    @HFTT: Positive change to Cornwall is no longer important now, they want to change the ENTIRE COUNTRY since galganov THEIR MESSIAH came to their rescue.

    HFTT wrote: How difficult can it be to find “Boulevard Decarie” in English” on a French sign.

    For an idiot it can be difficult. **smile** but I am ahead of the game, I speak both official languages.

    @HFTT, Furtz, Richard…….WE WERE VOTED #1 AT THE G8 SUMMIT…….CHOSEN AS THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. Yet the freedom fighters are trying desperately to convince the world we are a terrible nation because of language laws…..THEY CLAIM LANGUAGE APARTHEID IN THIS COUNTRY…..CAN YOU IMAGINE. I am sure all nations are playing close attention to this.

    CANADA THE LAND OF THE FREE
    WE STAND ON GUARD FOR THEE

  43. bella   August 5, 2013 at 7:59 AM

    I call bs furtz. From NS to Ontario the only place with language exclusivity on the TransCanada highway is Quebec. I know what est is, I even know what to do about a sortie, but temporary informational signage in construction zones? wtf? Sorry I can’t whip out any of my translating devices as I am driving and it’s against the law.

    hftt, it was on the TransCanada highway, in a construction zone. I was not concerned with rue, bouls, or even sorties. They were temporary informational traffic signs. The big orange and black jobbies that get pulled out in emergencies or when temporary information is needed to navigate the highway. Unfortunately the information was unavailable to me, a citizen of Canada, driving across my own country. I’m not suing anyone, or asking for special treatment, I’m just stating a fact. (although I did ask stella to ride shotgun next trip. No response yet, but I’m hopeful.)

    So gentlemen, please refrain from amending my posts so that they fit your idea of the world and what you think I meant. Richard said “actually go to Quebec.” I was merely pointing out that he was mistaken in his assumptions yet again.

  44. Hungry for the Truth....   August 5, 2013 at 8:12 AM

    Highlander August 5, 2013 at 7:22 am

    “Hey lives for lies… I am still waiting for that American Hospital information, In your infinite wisdom have you considered calling a few hospitals to attain that data …..or you really not hungry for the truth?”

    Hungry for the Truth…. August 3, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    highlander August 3, 2013 at 2:18 pm
    “P.S. 8 DAYS AND WAITING ON THAT LINGUISTIC SERVICES OFFERED BY AMERICAN HOSPITALS THAT YOUR “INQUIAITIVE” MIND WANTED TO KNOW.”

    I have already answered your very important question.

    PS…In closing I have had no success at reaching Obama. I thought the best solution to avoid any further delays, is that you post the information you have and I’ll evaluate. I’ll be waiting ……Hungry for the Truth August 2, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    3rd time I answer the same question…It’s becoming redundant.
    You could have prevented yourself all that wasted typing.

  45. Cory Cameron   August 5, 2013 at 8:26 AM

    Good morning, everyone.

    Hungry for the Truth…. August 4, 2013 at 10:33 am:

    “What the present DATA does not answer is an estimate of how
    many of the 9,500 French-speaking residents in Cornwall will utilized the FRECH SERVICES today. Not all 9,500 French-speaking residents will utilize French Services all together today. Some may never use the service. Some may use it once a year. Some every 3 years. How do we know? The Data is presently not available.

    What the present data does not provide is how many French-speaking residents FACTUALLY UTILIZE French Services in Cornwall every day, month or yearly.

    What time of the day how many times a year what services were provided how many French-speaking how many English-peaking are admitted per week per year etc..etc… This is why the Hiring Policies are unfair. The method of evaluating the required amount of Staff is disproportionately unrealistic due to the incomplete and inadequate DATA used to evaluate the LOCAL USAGE OF The French Language Services.

    Staff LAGUAGE requirements should be measured against Local Statistical Data based on actual French Services USAGE. VS How many French-speaking residents in Cornwall.

    You get the Idea? If this kind of DATA was available when drafting Hiring Policies and establishing staff requirements it would be done in a more reflective way. It would result at making the Hiring Policies more representative by population based on ACTUAL FRENCH SERVICES USAGE VS HOW MANY DEMOGRAPHER.

    Example… 200 patients Today at CCH, 175English-speaking / 25French-speaking Staff required 75% English-peaking / 25% French-speaking or bilingual.”

    I can see your point, HFTT. But whether or not those services are being used or not by French demographics I still think that there should be representation by population and not necessarily representative by demographic usage.

    I’m thinking along the lines that say for instance all visitors for the day, week or year were English or French who got sick at CCH. Unlikely, I know, but say that’s the case. Everyone gets sick, right? Then, what we have is use based on demographics and not necessarily services available for the entire population of the community who may get sick. After all, the hospital is for the community’s use as a whole.

    THere is another problem with this as well. We have people from Quebec as well as New York state who use the hospital services as well. Being that these people are not residents of the area; should or shouldn’t they be considered as part of the demographics data? They still are using the hospital’s services, right?

    Hypothetically, I think there’s nothing wrong with hiring say 25% of CCH nursing staff as being unilingual French if that’s the make-up of the community’s demographics. As this would be reflective of a representation by population, approach. And too, Cornwall and area has a large Mohawk population as well with a couple of thousand elders who speak only Mohawk. Could a nurse be hired to service these people? Or perhaps having a translation service available for them and others of other demographics?

    THere is one flaw as I see it with this system, though. And that’s the issue that translation services could serve the issue of language servicing. Not to mention by instituting or mandating the hiring of a bilingual or uniilingual person, you may not necessarily be getting the best employee as well due to such issues as nuring performance, skillsets, etc. of the individual nurse. Some nurses can do IV’s and some can not as one example of a skillset. And some can teach this skill and some can not.

    I think a template point system considering all of this would help in the process.

    I know that currently all full-time CCH nurses are required to be bilingual. I don’t see a need for this. As this allows for bilingual nurses only to get a full time job.

  46. bella   August 5, 2013 at 8:32 AM

    “For an idiot it can be difficult. **smile** but I am ahead of the game, I speak both official languages.”

    Awwww honey, in trying to backhandedly throw out insults, you decide to call all unilingual Canadians idiots? Precious you are. Just freakin’ precious.

  47. Furtz   August 5, 2013 at 8:48 AM

    @ bella. Have you driven through downtown Toronto, or across Canada to Vancouver lately?

  48. Richard tremblay   August 5, 2013 at 9:01 AM

    ¨and the world is such an imperfect place because we didn’t get everything we cried for¨john lennon in his last interview. I agree stella, this is the best country in the world. As soon as people realize it and some people stop bitching about things they thing they deserve the even better off we will be.

  49. Highlander   August 5, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    Hungry for the Truth….
    August 5, 2013 at 8:12 am

    PS…In closing I have had no success at reaching Obama. I thought the best solution to avoid any further delays, is that you post the information you have and I’ll evaluate. I’ll be waiting ……Hungry for the Truth August 2, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    3rd time I answer the same question…It’s becoming redundant.
    You could have prevented yourself all that wasted typing.

    You consider that a valid argument …wow you really are not as smart as you think you are .
    You are only being evasive and simply defer on the fact that you were unable to speak to the president of the united states ,I had not known you had a relationship with him.

    This is not redundant! Obviously a proper researcher does not use ONLY ONE SOURCE .

    You have only proven to be evasive to the viewers and thereby not hungry for that truth .

    You seem not to have a problem with time as your written diarrhea has proven ,but simply allocate some of that time 20 min to do on line research or phone several hospitals to assess their provision for languages.

    Come on live up to your namesake and prove to the viewers this is really what your hungry for .

    This is your time to shine…then perhaps not….. but the viewers will decide that won’t they.

  50. stellabystarlight   August 5, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    highlander wrote: “P.S. 8 DAYS AND WAITING ON THAT LINGUISTIC SERVICES OFFERED BY AMERICAN HOSPITALS THAT YOUR “INQUIAITIVE” MIND WANTED TO KNOW.”

    FYI highlander because of the high amount of different ethnic groups, especially in NYC, the hospitals do offer services in different languages Spanish being one of them. Got That? . The Spanish language is written on products and billboards, in airports etc etc……SO TO ANSWERS YOUR REDUNDANT QUESTION…….THEY DO HAVE HOSPITALS WITH LINGUISTICS SERVICES.

    As for naming them, perhaps you can pull yourself away from your computer for a day or so and check it out for yourself. Then you can get back to us with the names. You are the one trying to prove us wrong…the burden of proof is on you sweetheart……go to it, we will wait.

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