LTE – Eric Little of Ottawa Asks: “Can English-speaking and French-speaking Canadians live together, and do they want to do so?”

LTE – Eric Little of Ottawa Asks: “Can English-speaking and French-speaking Canadians live together, and do they want to do so?”

Canada TOPOIf the answer to this question is still yes, then a results-based official languages policy must be implemented. This is what I said to you six years ago, and I still believe it to be true. The government must continue to make choices and take actions that will:

 

  • allow Canadians to obtain services in both official languages;

  • allow public servants to work in the official language of their choice;

  • allow official language communities to fully contribute to Canadian society;

  • allow people in every part of the country to learn Canada’s two official languages.

Graham Frasier

Commissioner of Official Languages

http://www.ocol-clo.gc.ca/html/speech_discours_20032013_e.php

 

I think the answer can be yes and yes, but not with all those conditions. We have already lost the ability of government to make choices to the Supreme Court of Canada with several recent Charter cases. We have already lost Government to this continued and hurried focus on making Canada linguistically dual. Have we lost the people with common sense to demand common sense as well?

Even though hundreds of millions of dollars are spent from these road maps alone, this one from 2008-2013 for example, the actual number of bilingual persons over the decades remains in the 17% area. How many billions of dollars will be removed from health care, education or seniors programs before people realize Canada will not be anywhere near linguistically dual?

http://actionplan.gc.ca/en/initiative/official-languages-roadmap-canadas-linguistic

 

Allowing public servants to work in the language of their choice, and by default, managers, means we have lost sight of actually providing service to the taxpayer. That is a reason for government is it not? I have no issue with allowing people to learn two or more languages, as long as it is cost effective and the individual is not forced to. An actual bricks and mortar facility, whether for a separate hospital or education, should not be the instant response like the Yukon Court decision (15 million dollar school for 41 people in 2011). Use of technology, actual need and a slight change to some hiring should be the first considerations.

 

Budget 2013 page 233

Renewing the Roadmap for Canada’s Official Languages for 2013–2018.

 

Economic Action Plan 2013 proposes continued support for the Government’s new

Roadmap for Canada’s Official Languages (2013–2018).

 

Canada’s two official languages are an integral part of our country’s history

and culture as well as our identity as a nation. The Government is committed

to supporting official languages through its new Roadmap for Canada’s

Official Languages (2013–2018). The new Roadmap represents an ongoing

commitment to enhance the vitality of Canada’s official language minority

communities and contribute to a strengthened linguistic duality. The new

Roadmap also emphasizes the importance and benefits accruing from our

two official languages to national identity and promotes that immigrants

master at least one official language to continue to contribute to Canada’s

development and prosperity.

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Highlander
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” An actual bricks and mortar facility, whether for a separate hospital or education, should not be the instant response like the Yukon Court decision (15 million dollar school for 41 people in 2011)” Wow there’s where numbers warrant -$365,853.65 per student really ? -How many disadvantaged could we have helped with that money ,how many children in this country go to bed hungry . -Many elderly living on below poverty incomes barely making it by. -Ontario last year froze welfare and numerous cutbacks on the programs -yet bilingualism budget not reduced but increased to $760 million. -Look at our… Read more »
peter
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@ eric, Before we go any further, I would like to see the following: 1) A clear and EQUAL definition of bilingualism. One that applies to both English and french . 2) That any testing that takes places, MUST EQUAL STANDARDS OF TESTS FOR BOTH FRENCH AND ENGLISH In other words if you need a B+ for the french test, then you need a B+ for the English test. 3) tests are to be given by both an English person and a french person. 4) the necessity for testing for bilingualism at all, is if there is sufficient numbers to… Read more »
Highlander
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Peter :

I agree with what you would like to see a fair approach to bilingualism.

The fraud squad will interpret this as “eliminating ” the french language .But it remains a fair equitable and practicle approach to bilingualism.

peter
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@ All

Apologies, the 17th. line down from my post at 2:57 p.m.

should read:

quebec and the french should go. quebec and the french culture have absolutely “NOTHING” in common with Canada

Simon
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“Can English-speaking and French-speaking Canadians live together, and do they want to do so?”

Well that’s not the way the priest put it, but yes it’s been 20 years with as orange a WASP, and as green a FROG as you’ll find.

So I’d say yes.

edudyorlik
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Great LTE Eric — MORE DOUBLE SPEAK * allow Canadians to obtain services in both official languages; * allow public servants to work in the official language of their choice; * allow official language communities to fully contribute to Canadian society; * allow people in every part of the country to learn Canada’s two official languages. allow = be sure to continue to force things so that Graham Frasier So here we have it… People from coast to coast in Canada BE WARNED & BEWARE… THIS IS YOUR TRUMPET CALL. You are NOW official;y on record for having been warned….… Read more »
edudyorlik
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@ Peter. I normally agree with you 100% Peter but this time … Only about 95% (still pretty good 🙂 I really don’t think we should even suggest either 1 or 2 as a possibility AT ALL. Peter wrote, ” ——————- 1) A clear and EQUAL definition of bilingualism. One that applies to both English and french . 2) That any testing that takes places, MUST EQUAL STANDARDS OF TESTS FOR BOTH FRENCH AND ENGLISH In other words if you need a B+ for the french test, then you need a B+ for the English test. 2) That any testing… Read more »
Jane Doe
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Yes English and French want to live together….. Quebec has not gone it’s own way.. There are many English folks who are trying to defend their rights and I think they may succeed.. I happen to know the family of this young man and he is brilliant but is also very tactful They have on very intelligent guy who is on board and so far have 36.000 signatures on a petition… People could take lessons from his approach to petitioning something they disapprove of. So don’t rule QC out… They are a distinct society and that is acceptable.. Pauline Marois… Read more »
edudyorlik
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@Highlander After reading your post on March 27, 2013 at 2:41 pm i was doing a bit of checking around. I found the article for this on yet another — “Support the French” but get the money from all Canadian tax payers — web site called CPF – Canadian Parents for french. A group/site sponsored of course by our government. And not just at one level but at 2 levels and also 2 departments (double dipping). http://www.cpf.bc.ca/site3/index.php/media/headline-news/76-news-articles/1535-court-orders-yukon-to-build-15m-school-for-41-francophone-students TOTAL insanity. I once gave a ride to a fella from Australia. He flat out said to me. “Why do you Anglo Canadians… Read more »
Highlander
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Jane Doe March 27, 2013 at 8:56 pm “So don’t rule QC out… They are a distinct society and that is acceptable.. Pauline Marois will not last nor will her tactics… We need QC and QC needs Canada…” Yes Quebec is just one distinct culture of many in this country .Marois tactics are wrong and so is bill 101 -The Liberals chose to keep bill 101 in its entirety even though it remains an oppressive bill. “But their approach is different than what is happening here in Eastern Ontario..” Eastern Ontario approach is to advise the population what is happening… Read more »
Highlander
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edudyorlik March 27, 2013 at 11:48 pm http://www.cpf.bc.ca/site3/index.php/media/headline-news/76-news-articles/1535-court-orders-yukon-to-build-15m-school-for-41-francophone-students Yes the majority of this groups is payed for by Herritage Canada and numerous other government agencies . So in effect they are payed to lobby government for French services of which it further costs the government to provide those French services. All of this for <4% of the population,once again is this where "Numbers Warrant" So it was not the individual citizens that payed the court costs to push for a school for 41 students but once gain the government payed the costs . I wonder if the court costs were… Read more »
edudyorlik
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On March 28, 2013 at 8:23 am Highlander (rhetorically, i assume since i know he is likely quite well aware of the answer, as most of us are) asks the question. “I wonder if the court costs were added to the bilingual operating cost?” to which i say, there just HAS TO BE so many more wasted tax payers dollars pumped into this — farce of what can only be called the largest social engineering fiasco in history — than what is spoken for “above board.” It is VERY obvious that there are MANY expenses associated with this issues that… Read more »
edudyorlik
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Court orders (in a French only ruling) Yukon to build $15M school for 41 francophone students

This was 2011 and the order was to build within 2 years.

Anyone have an update on this ?

Cory Cameron
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Edudyorlik, Highlander, Rosie, Peter: The National Post and a few others including our beloved CFN draws much attention to this issue. There are countless stories of people being mistreated all over Quebec and Eastern Ontario. So far, we haven’t seen a large backlash from non-Francophones over this issue. And I think I know why. For the most part (as we and a few thousand others already know personally), this issue has not as of yet come to affect them. Most people in the Western provinces have yet to feel the sting of what bilingualism has come to mean simply because… Read more »
Highlander
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Can English-speaking and French-speaking Canadians live together, and do they want to do so?” I believe the answer is no! Not under these circumstances ,when both are treated equal within provincial borders and out ,perhaps then it could be possible. The language issue will grow bigger. The inequity between both is strikingly real ,This so called reality of bilingualism is a farce,both are not encouraged equally and many are waking up to this. Social media is a fantastic tool as the major media outlets “control” the message ,Social media has become a powerful tool to advise people outside of the… Read more »
edudyorlik
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I believe we are being baited. An example might be… A strategic person selling a car who wishes to fetch 5 thousand for the car will put the car on the market for 7 thousand. Then when a prospective buyer comes along and figures, … Well, i can’t just give him the price he is asking thus i since he has asked for 7 thousand, i will offer 5 thousand. At this point the seller is where he wanted to be in the first place and agrees thus leaving the buyer thinking he has been fairly treated. Therefore, (no offense… Read more »
highlander
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If we lived in a proper democracy we would have a measurable,fair and equitable approach to bilingualism “representation by population.

But at last we do not have a true democracy,more elitism though language policies .
As long as the French live in the past CANADA’ devide will continue.

edudyorlik
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ON March 29, 2013 at 5:10 am highlander wrote, “If we lived in a proper democracy we would have a measurable,fair and equitable approach to bilingualism representation by population.” This is true highlander, on some level but, if we take a page from many countries or better yet, let’s look at what Quebec and the French themselves are doing. Now, i don’t agree with the laws that outlaw other languages but, i DO believe, as they have done, that it’s OK to declare a particular language to be “the common language” in a given country. Especially if that language makes… Read more »
Pierre
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@ Jane Doe & Simon The only two other fair-minded people, on this chat, at this point. You are right, Francophone and Anglophone can and do live together. The real question is : Can the two distinct societies, or ethnic groups, live together without the big one eating up the small one. Francophone risk, and do get, assimilated everywhere in North America. Be it, in the USA, or in Canada, including Québec, if Francophones do not have very stong laws to protect them they will, in time, get assimilated Louisiana, is proof of it. In Québec, we have law 101.… Read more »
edudyorlik
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@Pierre
Anyone who believes in laws like Bill 101 has a VERY warped sense of “Freedom.”

Highlander
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Pierre March 29, 2013 at 3:01 pm “But, there will always be some who, because of bigotry, ethnocentricity or intelletual laziness, who will try to weaken the already fragile French language, and culture… It seems that most of them are in Eastern Ontario, from Cornwall to Ottawa right up to North Est, Ontario.” How is asking for a measured ,fair and equitable approach weakening the french language . This is not about your so called bigotry or ethnocentricity as this truly exists in Quebec. So in Ontario with French only health clinics and segregated school buses promotes the french language.… Read more »
Pierre
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@ edudyorlik
Just because you don’t want to understand that the the ”Charte de la langue Française” protects the freedom of the majority in Québec, to speak, work in and be served in their language, does not matter because, all Franco and most Anglo Québécois do. And most politicians in the federal system and in other provinece do.

So keep on having fun making those hate videos and distorting the facts, in your posts.
It will never amount to anything.

highlander
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Pierre March 29, 2013 at 8:42 pm

Charte de la langue Française” protects the freedom of the majority in Québec, to speak, work in and be served in their language, does not matter because, all Franco and most Anglo Québécois do.”

Once again you have warped views -Freedom means free to choose,hence Free-dom ,how is oppressing anothers rights freedom.
You remained warped of thought ,freedom means everyone to freely make choices.

And with your warped views you call the video’s hate videos and it is you that is distorted.

Have a good day don’t burn any crosses.

Rosie
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Pierre “Many people (mainly Anglos) freak out, every time they ear the words language laws. That is mainly due to the medias strirring emotions to sell their stuff” No Pierre, this has nothing to do with media, but everthing to do with personal experience and yes you are absotely right when you mention where this happens.. Eastern Ontario right up through Ottawa and Northern Ontario. and your comment ” But, there will always be some who, because of bigotry, ethnocentricity or intelletual laziness, who will try to weaken the already fragile French language, and culture…” You really need to visit… Read more »
edudyorlik
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Understand? “I” don’t want to understand? Naw, that surely ain’t the situation here Pierre. It’s NOT that “I” don’t want to understand this “charter – against — other languages.” Nope, WRONG. I mean honestly, even the name “Charte de la langue Française” has an undertone of discrimination and hate to it. It’s all doublespeak. I mean seriously … JUST PLAIN and simple doublespeak. The charter of the “French language”? Most -REAL- “countries” have a charter of RIGHTS and FREEDOMS (for all). Ever heard of that concept Pierre FREEDOM FOR ALL not JUST the French and the French language ? What… Read more »
peter
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@ Cory, Re: your post march 28th. 1:06 regarding Informing people across Canada of the forced bilingualism and the the like, I suggest that we take newspaper ads all across the country. We can each raise funds, from people we all know that are our supporters. This can include friends , relatives and people who are in sync with our views. I know I ahve many relatives that would contribute monetarily to such an honorable cause. Also or, a web site , that displays what we see and post on CFN, could bet set up. I also suggested that the… Read more »
Cory Cameron
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@ Peter, This is a fantastic idea! What do you think, Highlander, Eric, Rosie, etc.? of this idea of Peter’s regarding advertising? I would like to get onto this when we can. I will also be mailing out my letters to the companies requesting financial help to fight these government policies. I have several made out and they’re ready to go. Specifically will be focusing on those companies who are directly impacted by Bill 101, 14 in Quebec. Also, am in the midst of compiling companies from out West who are interested in this fight against government mandated language policies.… Read more »
edudyorlik
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Hi all, happy hop hop day. Been a bit busy. just catching up now. I assume that since you never replied Pierre, that meant i was right eh? The only “hate” you could find in my video’s (as i pointed out) was from those on YOUR SIDE of this issue. Did you catch the pure hate on the faces of those protesting the monarchy. Those were the best ones. PURE hate. Pure hate. Yup, unmistakable. Funny to see many of those folks yelling in that video were WAYYYyyy too young to know about being repressed and held down by the… Read more »
peter
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@ Cory, I will do all I can, I do have some health issues, I am not a spring chicken any more,but regardless I will do my part. I don’t believe this will be that difficult. What I especially like, is that a while back Edudyorlik produced a video, showing how the federal government ( liberals ) in the 1970’s began to change the way hiring was set up in Ottawa. I believe, if memory serves me right it was Chretian who began to change things in government , so that french would become necessary in all federal jobs. Also… Read more »
Eric
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Our Official Languages office seem to have have an expanded mission statement as it now has written understandings with both Ontario and Quebec. It also seems to be leaving Quebec to do what it wants while demanding more French everywhere.
The federal government has also bought into this with that budget item promoting duality. Was anyone fooled with the Border Services agent saying Welcome to Canada & bonjour to the flying Wallenda Niagara Falls rope walker while fishing for his passport?

Eric
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Sorry, it should be Ontario and New Brunswick, not Quebec.

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