Water Meters to be an Election Issue here in Cornwall Ontario? January 18, 2010

Water Meters to be an Election Issue here in Cornwall Ontario?  January 18, 2010

Water meters for Cornwall Ontario.   Hmm….Nope.   I don’t want one.  I don’t know too many people that do and I certainly don’t think too many think that they will save a whole lot of money.

Ontario is going through a similar issue with these new “SMART METERS” for electricity.   A politician stated this recently.

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“..aide to interim Energy Minister Gerry Phillips, responding to a report by Sun Media’s Jonathan Jenkins that most Toronto Hydro customers are seeing their electricity bills increase following the installation of smart meters, noted: “The smart meters are more about creating awareness of energy use, rather than helping people to save money.”

And that’s the reality of the Water Meter program no matter who denies it. We taxpayers have to pay for the implementation of the system, IE the meters, and then we will continue to pay.   Is this really how we want to attract more people to Cornwall?  Do we have any water issues other than the high cost of the new sewage treatment plant?

We now export water to other areas.   Do those homes too have to have water meters?   We’re blessed with water in this area.   We have an amazing city.  We don’t need to mimic everything that bigger cities do.   Do we?

What do you think Cornwall?

Jamie Gilcig – Editor – The Cornwall Free News

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Chef Shawn
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Chef Shawn

apples and oranges, not even comparable. The smart meters are rather obvious, they charge more for peek period use. The excuse by Toronto Hydro is nothing but corporate doublespeak. It is a money grab, they were implemented by PRIVATE corporations to increase profit. The last time I checked the city of Cornwall is a public corporation, and thus is responsible to us the taxpayers. If there was a profit they would then be obliged to lower prices, or use the profit to benefit us. There is at least a potential for spending transparency in the city, as opposed to a… Read more »

Jerry
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Jerry

Good points of debate. We pay for our electricity based on usage. We pay for our heating oil, gas or propane based on usage. We pay for our food based on usage. We pay for our beer based on usage. Why should water be treated differently? Paying for water based on usage sounds OK to me. Do we really need to water our lawns all day? In one city in which I lived, there was a rationing system that allowed homeowner to water for only two hours every two days. Even nunbered homes on one day and odd numbered homes… Read more »

Stan
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Stan

Even if we do say NO to water meters, as always, the people in charge of telling us how to run our lives (the City Council) and how much we are OBLIGED to pay have come up with yet another revenue grab that I doubt can be prevented. Once these City Councillors (who seem to be pushing only their own agenda, representing themselves and not the public) make up their minds that we WILL have water meters, at least lets try and save some money on the purchase of water meters. Last year the Mayor of Montreal fired a couple… Read more »

Jerry
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Jerry

Good point admin. But, perhaps if we had meters we would end up having lower usage and thus reduce the total City costs of delivering and treating the smaller amount of water used. The City needs to look at this before deciding to proceed?

Chef Shawn
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Chef Shawn

Joe, I have been debating the same points, but it is a fruitless endeavor. First off, council has not decided whether the meters will be subsidized or not, and if so, how much. Would the counterpoint still remain the same if the meters are free? It is an asinine argument to suggest that we have enough so lets not try to conserve. That is the same feeble minded argument the petroleum industry has been using for decades “oh we have plenty, who cares”. Yet, now that we have hit peak oil and are consuming at an alarming rate we have… Read more »

Jerry
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Jerry

I believe that the more water that you use, the more you should pay. The only way to make sure that this happens is to have meters. Listen to Joe and Chef Shawn. As someone who doesn’t do much watering of my lawn, I do not want to subsidize someone who waters many hours a day. We do charge usage based fees for many other things we use and why not for water. It just makes so much sense. If you don’t want water meters, then you don’t want electricity meters, you want everyone to get as much gas for… Read more »

Stan
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Stan

Why pay for something we don’t need? Theres no water shortage in Cornwall.

Chef Shawn
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Chef Shawn

that’s the mentality that must change.

Guy
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Guy

The water bill system in Cornwall is an attempt at “pay-by-usage”. It’s a poor man’s version of that – the more water outlets you have, the higher your bill. The guy with 3 bathrooms pays more than the guy with 2 bathrooms. But – where it fails, is that it doesn’t matter if the guy with 2 bathrooms washes off his driveway every day, waters his lawn when it rains, and takes two 30 minute showers every day – the guy with 3 bathrooms pays more. And that doesn’t seem fair. We’re fortunate to have an abundance of water in… Read more »

Jerry
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Jerry

To Guy – Your arguments are well stated but you dicuss the extremes rather than the averages. Take your poor family of six. The poor family of 6 who use more water would pay more than the poor family who use less water, This sounds fair to me. A richer family of 6 who use more water would pay more than a rich family of 6 who use less water. This sounds fair to me. BUT you could end up having a poor family of 6 who use less water paying the same or more than a richer family of… Read more »

Jerry
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Jerry

To admin. You say you pay more than your fair share? Shouldn’t your fair share be based purely on how much water than you use. Use more, pay more. Use less, pay less. That would seem to be your fair share.

Jerry
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Jerry

Ok, maybe there is a more balanced approach that make us all happy. In many places, there is a water scheme that has two layers. There is a minimum fee for water access. This pays for much of the basic infrastructure related to clean water access. After a homeowner has used up a certain amount of water, any further use is based on how much additional water is used. This approach is great since it makes everybody pay a part of the delivery costs plus it helps lower usage by charging more to high users. A fairer balance. I do… Read more »

Stan
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Stan

Only new housing should have to put in a water meter. All people presently connected would stay as they are. Does that sound logical?

Chef Shawn
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Chef Shawn

lets put some perspective on it. We have to discuss the “poor”. How many “poor” people do you know that pay water taxes? Generally you have to be a property owner, and if you are poor you generally will not own your house, which bank would give credit to someone without the means to repay the debt? Further to this, water is the least of the worries for someone who has fallen on hard times and is a homeowner. They likely have to sell their property. For the most part, apartments and rental units have the water built into the… Read more »

Dude
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Dude

No argument here but I have to tell you that I’m from South Stormont and a few years ago we had the meters installed and I was not happy.Worried more than anything because of the nightmare of a bill I was going to receive.I have low flush Toilets ,no pool and no rink .I water mfront lawn but only in desperate times where there is drought. Two teens that take long showers…I have saved over 100$ a year since we have one …but the problem now is that our township is going to start raising the usage per cubic meter… Read more »

Chef Shawn
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Chef Shawn

easy, add a clause to the rental agreement. You are allowed up to X cubic meters, beyond this you pay a usage fee. I have had that in all rental agreements when I was in university. It encourages frugality, especially for those that do not have the means. As far as neighbours tapping into your water supply that would be easy to figure out if you had that suspicion. First off, “Ottawa folks” are a very “special” breed. Anyhow, keep an eye on your meter, you can tell if even a tap drip is going through the line it is… Read more »

Eric
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Eric

So where does the water amount show on your bill? Will you pay each 2 months seperatly from your tax bill? Will the annual tax amount then decrease? Probably not as they will use that money for a pet project or ?????

Chef Shawn
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Chef Shawn

So, I just received my latest water bill yesterday. It is $400.85. We are paying 5x our actual consumption. No wonder people leave their sprinklers on all day, some of us are certainly paying more than our share for it….

Shawn
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Shawn

You can still get free water meters! Contact the city. Water metering is inevitable, so why not save as much money as you can.

Chef Shawn
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Chef Shawn

they are coming either way. Do you want to pay a couple dollars in your tax bill for a meter, or do you want to pay for it outright (a couple hundred). Semantics aside, i would recommend people take advantage of the opportunity.

Barb
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Barb

We have NO RIGHTS in this country. We are TOLD to accept these things – PAY FOR THEM…and then…every time the water is running. You hear this HUGE ticking noise and I do mean it is LOUD…it sounds like a bomb ready to go off. Plus the guys that installed it – made mistakes on their paperwork and said we had lead piping come into the house. So a supervisor had to come out to PROVE they were mistaken. He said that – he had to check NUMEROUS houses for the same error. Our home is 8 years old. NO… Read more »

Roy Berger
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There was an advertised program in Cornwall last year for the installation of free smart water meters. I was told I could have one installed for free now or for $250 two years from now. I called and had one installed in fifteen minutes. It shows I have a dripping tap. I haven’t fixed the tap yet.

luckyred
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luckyred

What happens when every citzen uses less water after the meters are installed.So everyone saves big time.Oh wait a minute, the city will never let that happen.Citzens will never be allowed to lower there water bills one way or another.Future headline “City in direstraits” to many people saving money since water meters installed Usage of water going up two fold this year.