Supreme Court of Canada will NOT hear Galganov / Brisson Forced Bilingual Sign Appeal – Breaking
CFN – Human rights champion Howard Galganov reports that today he received the much-anticipated e-mail concerning his petition made to the Supreme Court. The court of last resort was being asked to overturn a decision made by a Superior Court judge that allows muncipalities to over-ride the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Previously an Ontario Superior Court judge ruled that Russell Township violated the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but that doing so was acceptable. By a very slim majoriy, the township passed a bylaw which demands that all new exterior commercial signage be in English and French, not one or the other and no provision for other languages. Russell was the fourth Eastern Ontario township to do so.
Today the Township of Russell posted the following Press Statement on their website:
“In light of the decision of the Supreme Court of Canada in regards to the leave of appeal from Galganov / Brisson versus Russell in the matter related to the Bilingual Sign Bylaw, we are extremely pleased that the plaintiffs were denied the hearing” said Mr. Jean Paul St-Pierre, Mayor for the Township of Russell. “It finally brings closure to the legal proceedings that were, in all instances, decided in favor of the Municipality by the court. The Court reiterates the fact that the Township was in its legal rights to adopt such bylaw and that Mr. Howard Galganov, a non-resident of the municipality, was in no position to contest the bylaw. We now can move forward for the benefit of our communities” concluded Mayor St.Pierre.”
How ironic that some Franco businesses and municipal agencies choose not to adhere to the bylaw. The municipal Fire Hall in Embrun boasts a unilingual sign which reads: “Poste de Pompiers”.
And, as we reported recently, the Francophone cultural/entertainment centre recently replaced its sign with a high tech version, but still in French only. An employee of La Maison des Arts told us that they were zoned differently (institutional/non-profit), then said that it’s because they provide French education. Apparently the centre previously had posted a small sign which explained that rationale. A member of the local community informed us that La Maison des Arts provides day care service for the French Catholic School across the street; would one not think that to be considered a business venture?
Pierre Leroux ran for and became a Russell Councillor two years ago; he told CFN that it’s widely known that one of his motivating forces in running for Council was the fact that he didn’t feel it right the way that bilingualism was forced upon local businesses. As for today’s Supreme Court announcement, as a member of Council he’s happy that the Township will not have to pay for an expensive legal battle (which he feels could have been avoided), but as a person he feels that the decision is wrong.
So, what about everyone else? People are asking ‘What’s the problem with being fair and allowing everyone a similar degree of freedom of expression?’ That’s a great question!
In our short clip, viewers can plainly see that the animated sign is unilingual and hear for themselves the explanation we received from a staff member of the arts centre.
Galganov was among the presenters at the recent annual Christmas Luncheon hosted by Canadians for Language Fairness at an Ottawa area restaurant. At the gathering, Galganov told the crowd:
“If the Supreme Court decides that they’re not going to hear the case, then it becomes the law of Canada. Any municipality can legislate, not just on issues of language and culture, but on any of the guarantees in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The Charter is essentially a Charter of Suggestions. Any time a judge or group of judges of one mindset or the other can decide what is to be protected and what is not to be protected it means we have no guarantees. Freedom of Expression is the foremost guarantee we have in any free society.”
In our highlight video clip (unedited footage provided by Danno Saunt) each of the key presenters at the CLF Luncheon (Beth Trudeau, Howard Galganov, Nick Vandergragt, Brian Lilley, Ron Barr and Jack MacLaren) shares an update on their involvement in the ongoing struggle to preserve basic human rights here in Canada.
It is anticipated that Galganov as well as Language Fairness for All and Canadians for Language Fairness will step up their efforts locally and nationally.
Don Smith reports on a variety of topics, notably good news items as well as social justice issues.
Pierre you bring up an interesting facet to this chat and that’s the true interpretation of Bilingualism. Is it simply being able to afford service to Canadians in either language or is it a goal of having all Canadians be able to speak both official languages proficiently?
Your simple answer please? The first or second option?
Judging by the government implimentaion of French language where not warranted ,it is clearly all must speak french for any government opportunities.
21% francophone population equals 65% of hiring .
In a true democracy taxation by representation.
80% English are not represented properly.
If bilingualism is the answer why not have bilingual services in Quebec as Ontario has?
Oh Stella you still align yourself with the separatist Pierre.
French first right Stella and Pierre french first.
To push for unilingual french in Quebec and bilingualism in the rest of Canada speaks volumes.
Why not bilingual in Quebec?
Pierre when Quebec separates will you stay in Quebec or in Canada.
Quebec will be a third world country yet will they still expect Canada to give it its welfare checks(equalization) payments of which it has received after 60 years.
Pierre you must understand that your welfare state could not afford to be on its own ,if it had all educated people would leave and that would leave the inbreeding.
Quebec financial situation is the same as Greece ,Montreal alone requires requires 1trillion to fix all its roads and bridges in a province that’s GDP of 180 million spells doom for the province.
You would think that the longest running recipient of welfare payments would finally pull its weight and support itself ..geez does Quebec have any pride?
Or is pride and self reliance not within the Quebec culture ,they are the welfare recipient that keeps thier hand out asking for more.
@admin RE : the following Question to Pierre on January 3, 2013 at 9:28 am
admin asked, “Bilingualism. Is it simply being able to afford service to Canadians in either language or is it a goal of having all Canadians be able to speak both official languages proficiently?”
Great question admin and i would add. Does that include bilingualism in — ALL OF CANADA — and by that of course I mean, including bilingualism in the “province” of Quebec as well.
@Stella,
Quote: Well Ken…..the genius, it goes like this. Something I have been saying for a year now….**smile** end quote.
Stella (or Jean, whatever your hidden gender is) I’ll take your comment as a compliment recognising someone a bit smarter than yourself.
As usual, you evade the question.
To reiterate: Tell me Stella, and be honest on this one. Is losing your job because you don’t speak the same language as your new boss a short coming. That’s why I and many other Anglophones in a Crown Corporation lost our jobs.
A new question: Why would I need, or find it necessary to learn French, particularly the dialect, in a Province where it was almost unheard of at the time I came to Canada.
To answer your question: Yes, if I went to live in China I would expect to learn Chinese, it’s by far the majority language.
As a courtesy to my employees in Quebec, I had learned French to some degree before I was pressured out of my Crown Corporation position by the new Francophone boss, simply for being Anglophone. It’s has earned the term ethnic language cleansing.
Now my dear, I have no problem communicating in French in France, or German in Germany, and a little bit of Italian I learned for a vaction in Italy.
I think I know when it is desirable or necessary to learn another language probably much more than you do. French is not essential in English speaking Canada but maybe Chinese would be useful in B.C.
As we (the CLF people) have said so many times but you won’t (can’t to be more correct) acknowledge French is the only advantage you have to leap-frog over Anglophones in the workplace, particularly in the Public Service.
@Ed
Quote: Ed
January 2, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Just a thought that’s off topic. To all those who love to b!tch and whine about the French language, spare a few minutes of your precious time to think about the tens of thousands of homeless people in Ontario who will be trying to stay warm tonight, which will be the coldest night so far this winter.
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You know Ed, you seperatists should really put the brain in gear before opening the mouth.
I spend a lot of time thinking how many poor homeless, cold, starving people could be helped if the billions spent on bilingualism went to helping them instead of mandatory bilingualism to help get you fat cats into jobs.
Can you respond intelligently to that?
@ Admin
You should not ask for a simple answer to a complcated question.
I know that I bring an interesting facet to this chat, if we can call it that. I bring the point of view of most politicians, of the government of Ontario, of the government of Canada, of all federal parties, of the High Court of Ontario and of the Supreme Court of Canada.
And what am I faced with? A handful of nay-sayers who want to bring the eastern and Northern Ontario to it’s lowest common denominator, that of those who can’t, or won’t learn/speak a second language. Nay-sayers who try to insult and intimidate the opposition of this blog. Nay-sayers who say they will not respond to our posts but plan to use it as a launching pad, to form an association, dedicated io turning Canada into a totalitarian country. Considering Canada’s make-up and history, that is racist.
Now as to your question:
The answer to the first part of it is, No!
and, the answer to the second part of is is also NO!
Details, to come, in my coming answer to Leo.
@Leo
Quote: The west will never embrace it. For that matter anywhere past eastern Ontario will never embrace it.
People that run for political office, sooner or later, probably later, will turn the corner here.
end quote.
With respect, sorry to disillusion you Leo, the West has already embraced French and it is ongoing. We have contacts out there who inform is of what is happening. Remember the Winter Olympics, Francophones were paid for and exported from Quebec to take jobs despite the protestations from B.C. residents.
Rather than inform you here of what is happening in B.C just google something like “French in B.C”, “Bilingualism in Western Canada” and you will find much more than I could present here.
Want to know more, go to the CLF website or join and receive frequent updates on this despicable mandatory bilingualism.
@Stella
Quote: BTW yorlik…the term “common language” does not exist in this country. It is something you and your gang once again fabricated. end quote.
Wrong again Stella, you people are really not very worldly.
When referring to the language of another country it is most often voiced or written for example, “the language of Canada is English”
Some people say the common language when referring to the majority language spoken, once again, as in English in Canada,
or french in quebec.
@Leo
Leo you must encourage Southern Ontario, your whole region to vote Conservative, or NDP, even Green at worst but definitely not Liberal. There is a real threat pending if the young Trudeau becomes leader of the party. He is of the blood of his father and will perpetuate mandatory bilingualism with more fervour than zeal than any of his predecessors.
Just adding to previous explainations why we respond to the Stellas. They provide us with an opportunity to highlight the injustices of bilingualism for the benefit of casual newcomers to the blog, some of who stay with it as you have. Welcome to the group and we appreciate having another intelligent person on board.
@Leo,
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This makes no economic sense. Why should the majority of canadians pay for a failed policy? Its pure stupidy
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Leo, I have to bring you up to speed. It is not a failed policy, that is the misnoma, the myth. Pierre Trudeau planned and started implementation of bilingualism in the late sixties, there is much evidence to support this. In brief, it gave overnight undeniable advantage to Francophones to take top jobs in all levels of government and Public Service. As you have pointed out, the majority workforce is Anglophone with only a very small number fluent in French. Francophones were empowered and have been for trhe past forty years. Check out the Post offices in your region,
the banks, and other public places. I for one would be very interested to learn what you discover.
P.S. I was threatened and pressured out of my Crown Corporation job by a Francophone boss parahuted in with a suspected mandate to get rid of anglophones.
@ Ken
I don’t believe you when you say that, you and others have lost their job, because you could not speak french, well enough.
Had you been in a job asking for bilingualism you would have been transfered… Everybody knows that it’s harder to loose, your job, in the public service, than it is to jump over the moon.
And, I did’nt believe you when you said that you had had a return answer from Tim Hudak’s office. Why did I and Rosie not get such an answer?
The logical answer why is they don’t answer such a question because the conservative leader would have gotten in trouble with the eletorate, by answering such a divisive question…
Now, if you can provide proof, of what you said. I’ll opologize… Promice.
You are hilarious, Ken. I’m no more a separatist than you are a Rhodes Scholar. As far as blaming homelessness and starvation on bilingualism… well, there are no words to reply to that nonsense.
Fight On!!
Ken,
When I was referring to the west, I was talking about the grass roots people.
you know Ken, if History has taught us anything, is that when the people get fed up they act, and act swiftly.
quebec is the perfect example of this.
We are a nation of immigrants and they usually embrace Canada and the English language. The future generations of Canadians will never embrace french, similar to the fact that their parents do not currently embrace french
They have french immersion, etc. but these are safe gap measures ,just in case.
However, try to pull in Toronto what they pulled in Russell and watch what will happen
They will be destroyed.
One example, is from woodbine race track, when a francophone, wanted to be served in french
His next words were from the pavement outside of the track.
His unorthidox exit was hastned by patrons, not track employees.
The west is worse. I have a friend in B.C. that absolutely hates anything bilingual. he has a sign he puts up openly, stating NO french SPOKEN HERE.
I know they are attempting to bilingualize the west, but I have a lot contacts throughout the west, and at the grass roots level, not only is it not taking, they hate the concept.
trudeau’s grand plan make take at the federal level for now, however, to go long term with only 12% success rate, these failed policies will not last.
this will especially true when quebec finally separates, as will happen eventually.
After quebec separation, there will be only 4% french in Canada, no way no how, will bilinguaism be able to survive. They can’t justify that, the people simply will not stand for it.
to me, the faster quebec leaves the better.
There are many, many Canadians that feel this way to get quebec out one way or another.
MODERATED – Tap Tap next time you post crap like that we ban your ISP number. We have politely asked people that follow our clear policy. If you don’t post non-anonymously you don’t get to attack others and even if you do post with your real name crossing the lines is not acceptable here.
This is not a debate point. End of. If you can’t play nice go to the Sun or something….
@ Admin,
|Sorry, I didn’t mean to cross the line
Again, apologies
Same for anyone. CFN is not a place to call people names. You can destroy people and their arguments without sinking to that level.
@ Ken
Great post Ken, I too believe that spending money from the forced bilingualism policy that no one wants, would do wonders for the homeless.
I think it is a great idea. Three billion a year on something positive,( feeding the homeless and underprivledged) that most people want, as opposed to spending three billion a year that no one wants ( forced bilingualism) and only 12% benefit from, if that
Very sound idea, good post Ken
Re: POST by highlander January 3, 2013 at 10:11 am
Highlander wrote, “Judging by the government implimentaion of French language where not warranted ,it is clearly all must speak french for any government opportunities.
21% francophone population equals 65% of hiring .
In a true democracy taxation by representation.
80% English are not represented properly.
If bilingualism is the answer why not have bilingual services in Quebec as Ontario has?
To push for unilingual french in Quebec and bilingualism in the rest of Canada speaks volumes.
Why not bilingual in Quebec?”
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AND THE unspoken but blatantly simple ANSWER…
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The majority English people of this country MUST READ the writing on the wall.
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ZERO acceptance for English within Quebec, while it is forced French emersion FOR ALL English speakers throughout CANADA.
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To the French it is FRENCH ONLY as we see in both Quebec, New Brunswick and even some small outlying areas of Ontario where they French have outnumbered the English and have attained a firm grip on the community. City council meetings not conducted in English, and NOT translated into English at all, local newspapers in French ONLY. In other words — NOT bilingual — but FRENCH ONLY.
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Nothing could be more obvious.
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The French want NOTHING TO DO with the English language or the English culture. They just can’t come straight out and say WE WANT IT TO BE FRENCH ONLY.
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Because that would cause an outcry but, folks THEY ARE saying the same thing when they use the term bilingualism. Because to them, Bilingualism is code for French.
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This whole thing is a slow and gradual take over of this country, OUR COUNTRY, and the English had better WAKE UP and realize this FACT. We can no longer afford to play checkers while they play chess. Tell your younger sons and daughters to pass this message around amongst their friends in whatever way they know best. And tell them to BE AWARE. Why? Because that is exactly what the French are doing with their younger generations.
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Bilingualism to the French is death… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4px3cUb5jA
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They even blatantly say it straight out, time and time again. They don’t hide this part. As a matter of fact they are VERY blatant about it. Even bill 101 itself has points in it that spell it out to a T.
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Workers in Quebec CANNOT be forced to work in ANY OTHER LANGUAGE other than French. What does that tell everyone about this particular law that has been implemented in a “province” within this great COUNTRY of ours where over a million Anglophone Canadian citizens still reside?
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There is only one TRUE word for this type of law — TREASONOUS —
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The CR@P you see on this blog being spewed by those who we are all, oh so familiar with, is pure and simple double speak. You say white, they say black. You say up , they say down. You say we want our country back, and they — the very ones who tried to break up the country on TWO previous OCCASIONS by separating — turn and say, it is us that are trying to break up the country. Simply absurd…
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They say, all we want is bilingualism so both official languages can be accepted and respected in Canada. Then when you point out the simple fact that Quebec wants nothing to do with one IMPORTANT side of that bilingualism equation (Enlgish) they either ignore you or blatantly say, “oh that’s fine. That’s just the way it HAS TO BE.”
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Well, I HAVE breaking NEWS for THEM. That IS NOT “just the way it has to be.”
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That is a load of PURE HORSE DUNG and we are fed up of not only accepting this “way” as they call it, but also fed up with being forced by our own government to pay for it. Comprends tu? Can I be — any clearer? —
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English Canada must stand up for Canada’s “common language” — English —
and put an end to this charade.
@ Ken,
The NDP, are, with Mulcair at the helm, just as bad ,if not worse than the liberals.
Their quebec members, are mostly separatist, and anti-Englsih.
This is where the western N.D,P, has disappointed,
I would have thought that they drew the line at separatism.
Where the P.C. strength lies is in the 905 area code, or the GTA ( greater Toronto area)
The inner city is totally Liberal, made up on mostly immigrants.
P.C. must regain strength in the GTA, maritimes and NFLD”
In B.C. as well. People like James Moore can be a giant in their quest for seats.
I would also, love to have MIKE HARRIS or a MIKE HARRIS like person to run for the P.C” leadership federally, after Harper.
we need a strong leader, to offset the potential gains of trudeau.
However, this is not 1968, there is no mania here.
Justin is NOT his father, and recent mistakes have proved that.
He amay get the teeny-boppers, but they are few and far between
Canada’s demographics, are more attunted to the mid-30’s crowd
They are not enamoured with him.
He messed up the calgary riding big time, when the liberals had a shot of winning . He also put his foot in his mouth, when blaming Alberta for Canada’s woes and saying don’t count.
He is not the Messiah
Three billion a year? Yeah, right.
Yous guys should just say it’s three trillion a year to make your argument even more valid. Next thing, yous guys will be blaming internet child pornography on bilingualism.
Fight On!!
Ken……..I DID ANSWER YOUR QUESTION……es tu niaiseux ou quoi?
Ed January 3, 2013 at 12:39 pm
” As far as blaming homelessness and starvation on bilingualism… well, there are no words to reply to that nonsense”
Well folks furtz here has learned propaganda from Stella -this clearly was not said ,but interpreted and propagated by furtz.
Pierre January 3, 2013 at 12:19 pm
” @ Ken I don’t believe you when you say that, you and others have lost their job, because you could not speak french, well enough.”
Well Mr.Separatist you also don’t believe Quebec is a welfare state either,wake up to reality.
“Everybody knows that it’s harder to loose, your job, in the public service, than it is to jump over the moon.”
Really what about the projected 19000 federal layoffs to happen over a year,let’s hope there from Quebec.
” And, I did’nt believe you when you said that you had had a return answer from Tim Hudak’s office. Why did I and Rosie not get such an answer?”
Pierre you also believe the welfare state pays more into federal government then it receives from the federal government,wake reality break again Pierre Quebec is the welfare state of 60 years.
So you being from Quebec are a federal government welfare recipient as well,for you reap those benefit’s.
There you go Pierre the separatist /welfare recipient.
English Canada, is finally waking up to the french trying to control Canada,
Alberta, is not onside, neither is NFLD. There are people becoming more aware every day of this fact.
Ontario, with the exception of eastern Ontario, and the feds in Ottawa, are becoming so attunted to this issue, that movements are spring up to finally fight this.
“Private businesses” across English canada are also looking very carefully at the Wal-mart-Gap-best buy court case in quebec.
Many are just waiting to get out of that market.
The hope on many business fronts is that quebec gives them the excuse to leave. Hopefully by separating.
In Ontario, private business will not comply to bilingual policies, other than what has already been passed in eastern |Ontario.
I would be defiant and not comply. and challenge each and every violation in court.
Failing that, English, communities within places like russell, can boycott.
This is not difficult to do.
Any local group can begin this in earnest.
I know for a fact that CCH volunteers are down and that funding is coming up woefully short.
If the local CLF grouops can muster support for this it can be extremely effective.
I also would do NO BUSINESS with any company organization or institution, that in any way endorses bilingualism
Lists can be published throughout the community and actions taken in a non support manner for these places.
Perhaps a meeting, off the cuff and informally may be the best way to go.
These boycotts, can be quiet and suttle , letting business and instituions know why this is happening.
The CCH would be a great starting place, let the word out that no volunteering by English people will take place.
No funding, and as a matter of fact, a consorted effort not to fund can be organized.
In regions south of the border, this has proven to be highly effective.
I believe, that leaders of CLF should be at the forefront of this boycotts.
It will take time and organization, but if their is a will there is a way.
Hit them in the pocketbook, and withold any and all business from any supporter of forced bilingualism, and damm the consequences.
Being called anti-french and racists are part of their DNA, who cares, wheather call us names or not, we’ll always be branded that way anyway.
Its a start, just as the Galganov court battle was, but if well organized and by cosistently applying pressure, NO LET UP,
this is a battle. that can be won, and won convenicely
Ed January 3, 2013 at 3:37 pm
At least Stella provides propaganda in her beliefs you do it for shots and giggles .
I bet your the type of guy that tortured inocent creatures ,that would not surprise me.
You in fact enjoy criticising people who were descriminated ,you in fact take pleasure in it don’t you?
You are the lowest common denominator when it comes to humans.
You see at least Stella believes in what she says ,you do it to incite anger and promote hatred ,I need to scrape you off the bottom of my shoes.
The cost of bilingulism is 2.4 billion per year, the source is the fraser institute. It is more in the area of 3 billion, per, when additional french provincial funding is taken into account
Good Lord, Leo. Are you seriously depending on the Frazer Institute for impartial info? Now, that is pretty sad if you do.
Yes highlander, I regularly torture my cows and horses and chickens. How did you know that? Oh yes, and I also beat my grand parents once a month, whether they need it or not.
Fight On!!
I don’t comment on Ed’s stella’s or pierre’s posts.
They have no credability, I mentioned this before
@Leo RE: POST on January 3, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Leo wrote, “Its a start, just as the Galganov court battle was, but if well organized and by cosistently applying pressure, NO LET UP,
this is a battle. that can be won, and won convenicely.”
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I agree with you Leo and gtting organized is a good reason for you to visit my YouTube page and “leave me a message.”
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And also, @ everyone. The cost of bilingualism MAY well be stated officially as 2.2 BILLION but there is no doubt in my mind that THAT IS A MODEST number which simply cannot take into account all the things that WE ALL KNOW must contribute but for whatever reason cannot be, or simply are not counted in.
@ Ken, Edudyorlik, highlander, corey et al
Just to support the claim that official bilingualism costs are please refer to the following:
National Post Jan 12, 2012
Sun News Jan 19th. 2012
Yahoo news jan 16th. . 2012
Article; returning to the correct notion of bilingualism April 19th. 2010
Ken, I googled “Bilingualism in Western Canada” as you suggested, but did not find anything supporting your assertion that the West embraced bilingualism. In fact, surveys from 2000 to present by the Association of Canadian Studies say the opposite, that support for bilingualism outside of Quebec is dwindling.
As for Vancouver Olympics, Quebec wanted 25% share of their francophones work for the Games, but got only 18%. The only “legacy” francophone pushers within federal government achieved is a bilingual sign on Richmond Olympic Oval stadium, and that’s only because it was constructed with the help of federal $$$. Local people adamantly opposed it. Oh ya, and a bilingual signage at the entrance of Whistler. That’s all. A “golden opportunity” French zealots dreamed of to kick their foot in the Western door did not materialize.
Hey, British Columbia does not even have legislation on languages.
In Alberta, English is the official language.
In Saskatchewan, English is the official language.
In Manitoba, French services are provided only in certain areas.
@ Helga
Great research, and its what I have been saying all along, there is no welcoming of french or french services, west of prescott.
The Toronto area is adamnetly against the french and bilingualism
I have excellent contacts in all parts of Canada due to the nature of my business.
The people I am in contact with, have the pulse of their communities in hand.
From coast to coast, with rare exceptions, bilingualism, forced or otherwise, is a non starter.
I would love to have some of the bloggers here go to the heart of canada and sound off like they do here.
i assure you the reaction they would receive would be schocking to them.
they would experience first hand how Canada feels about bilingualism and the so-called french in Canada.
the resistance that they would encounter would shake them to the core.
I am speaking about educated, cultured and very realistic people here, not the ignorant and fact deficient people that post here.
This is the real Canada, outside of eastern Ontario and quebec.
When people here ignore or choose not to believe , based on whims or feelings, instead of identifying facts as they are, then they only fool themselves for sake of saving face.
. When research is presented and rejected because of , well who knows what, then they cannot be taken seriously. Particularly when they have no substanication of their own to refute the facts presented.
When facts are proven, and not challenged , by the bloggers here with their set of facts, then they become desparate and respond by useless mocking and rethoric that is baseless.
Such comments as fight on, its trillion dollars for forced bilingualism, ** smile, Peace and LOVE etc.
What is this? How can they even be allowed to post based on inflamatory statements, whose only purpose to agitate.
That is why I do not respond directly their rants.
I have a wonderful group to speak and intelligenlty dialogue with;
KEN, EDUDYORLIK, HIGHLANDE,COREY, HELGA, BELLA-B, ET AL
I thank you for this
Pierre posted on January 2, 2013 at 9:03 pm
“@ nat
…Those, you call the fraud squad are the only ones who tell the truth around here, Don’t be such a fool stop, look and listen before you post… Sooner or later you’ll understand that you’re making a fool of yourself, maybe worst.”
I feel a stench from a brownshirt.
Jamie admin would never allow me to post a similarly insulting post.
@Helga RE: January 3, 2013 at 9:21 pm POST
I agree with leo, “great research Helga.”
Re: the games in Vancouver. Did you see all the whining they did. It was incessant. Article in the paper practically every day. Not enough French this, and not enough French that. No French in the songs… Blah blah blah… b`tch and whine. For a group of only 8% (at best) throughout this whole country they sure do their share of complaining.
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I would like to be the first to suggest that you be part of the group that is in charge of research and whatever else that you enjoy doing.
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Wake up Canadians ,if the government excepts a resume based on bilingualism /or not this is clearly discrimination for MERIT/EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE IS IGNORED.
Do we strictly hire on religion,race ,culture,color -there is no difference here -Merit should always be the priority:
Why should one cultural group and 4% of the population in Ontario have preference to those jobs?
Why should 20% of Canada have entitlement to those federal jobs based on language only,65% of hires is not were numbers warrant but 300% above it.
If a resume is not looked at based on the individual not being bilingual -this DISCRIMINATES against THE 80% OF THE POPULATION.
How is the best hire for the government possible when you refuse to look at 80% of the resume’s?
Under the Canadian charter of rights you CAN discriminate by language ,but under the United Nations you cannot,this is clearly not a coincidence but applied with deliberateness.
Now why would a democracy allow discrimination through language and yet embrace it through its government hiring practices?
Things that make you think…. Hmmmmm.
The west embracing bilingualism, only when forced. However people will push back against expensive unneeded rules and laws.
http://www.themoderateseparatist.com/2011/02/alberta-needs-its-own-bill-101.html
be sure to read the 1 comment as well.
@ highlander jan 3 4:33 pm
I’ve told you before. If, you must keep putting words in my mouth,
because you don’t anything substantial to write, at least, give your crystal ball a good shining.
I’ve never talked about Québec being, or not, a welfare state but, I admit that Québec got 7.6B in transfer payments in 2011 down from 8.5B the year before.
Transfer payments to Québec are going down while transfer payments to Ontario are going Up! UP! UP!
About the 1900- jobs cut in the fed. public serv. Ask your crystal ball about attrition?
Once again, I’ve did’nt voted or separation in the two referendums
and I’ve never declared myself to be a separatist on this blog or anywhere but edudyorlik, tap tap and ken have. And now you can ad leo… Why do you associate yourself to that group? Shows your inconsistance, among other things.
How take over an entire country without firing a shot ,yes,yes by the act of the mighty pen can we make the majority subversive.
How one complaint can make a vast difference when it comes to French language laws ,yet many can complain of the unfairness to the majority but it falls on deaf ears,yes the pen is mightier then the sword,but apathy is the french’s tool.
@ Admin
I’d like to elaborate on your jan, 3 9:28 am questions to me.
First of all,
I woud have said: “You bring an interesting facet to this chat and that’s the true interpretation of DEMOCRACY”.
Just a detail I wanted to clarify.
Now, to answer the first part of your question, in more detail.
Bilingualism is not just to be able offer services to canadians in either language. If it were so, a handful of bilingual anglos could provide services in either languages to all canadians. The aim of bilingualism is to insure all candians are on a even playing field (I assume that you were talking about bilingualism in the federal public service) when it comes to access to jobs in this sector and others, where warranted.
And to answer the second part of your question.
No. The aim of bilingualism is not to assure that all canadians speak both languages proficiently. the more the better, for sure but, you have a job and most of the other anglos on this chat have or have had jobs and, I suspect that you are not proficiently bilingual yet, no one is trying to force you to learn the other official language. Most of the jobs in the private sector do not require bilingualism from the english speakers, most jobs in the Ontario public service
(the same holds true for all english provinces) do not require bilingualism and many jobs in the federal public service do not require bilingualism from the english speakers.
To pretend, as does the other group in this, whatever you choose to call it, that the francophone are trying to take over Canada is pure hogwash, bigotry, fear mongering.
Pierre your answer illustrated why bilingualism is hopeless and funny enough the people that killed it are French Quebecers with their language laws in Quebec. There’s no reason for the rest of Canada to be bilingual, the vast majority of the country, when Quebec declares that it’s a unilingual Francophone province.
End of story really. Now we just need tax credits for Canadians that need assistance to move over linguistinc issues.
Thank you for illuminating it for us.
And no, I’m not anti-French. I have no problem with an Unilingual Quebec and a Unilingual rest of Canada (unless a province or territory’s people want otherwise)
leo is the only one here with credibility……OH OK.
Actually his ideas of boycott and protest are quite absurd and destructive to any community….but hey!!!….He is the MAN…….He will change this country and everyone will live happily ever after….Thank God for men like leo…
I would be willing to bet if the media put this language issue to rest most of it would blow over with out a change.
Right now it just creates conflict and nobody knows anything much of who is involved and nobody has truly stated the cost and benefit for the greater good….
@ Admin
You’re wrong I did not illustrate official bilingualism as hopeless and funny.
Québecois did not kill official bilingualism
You just don’t understand your country. And it seems that, the more I explain it, the less you(s) understand it.
Let me try again.
Only N.B. and the federal government are officially bilingual in Canada,
I AGREE WITH YOU, THERE IS NO REASON FOR THE ROC TO BE BILINGUAL, OFFICIALLY OR NOT.
And It is not.
Let me try to illuminate you, ok?
Got your thinking cap on?
Because I’ve explained it before but, you must have been taking a nap, or something.
Canada is a federation, not a republic .
A federation is a union of independant states with a division of powers.
The federal government has to be bilingual because there is, a
french state in it, and an officially bilingual state in it, too. It’s public service has to be bilingual, where need be and It’s institutions need to be bilingual, where need be for the same
reason.
English provinces do not have to be officially bilingual and they are not. They don’t have to state officially that they are english because the isue is not in question.
Ontario offers some french services that are not constitutionnally mandated.
My opinion is, It does it, out of the goodness of It’s heart and because, it sees that It’s originately important francophone minority is being assimilated faster than the April snow. A mere question of respect, that obviously bothers some of you but, surelly does not put the english language at risk in your province.
It’s not the same for Québec. Too much unrestricted english, in Québec, would eventually kill the french language and culture.
As to the cost of official bilingualism.
2B a year, you say?
When you consider that without it, you have no Canada, I’d say that we got a good deal going here.
When you and your friends get with the program, that is!
@ highlander
Apathy is the french’s tool ???
Pierre as someone that’s been right across this country from Frobisher Bay & PEI to BC I think I have a grasp of my country. We may not agree on certain things, but I find it odd that you feel you need to lecture me on my knowledge buddy 🙂
@ eric
Patric Sullivan is a libertarianas was j.s brisson
Libertarians believe in very little government and that is not representative of the canadian people.
To associate him with the thinking of anglo-canadians is, frankly speaking, stupid.
@ Admin
I’ve travelled the counry too but that’s not why I understand the country. I understand the country because I look and evaluate all sides on the question.
Open eyes and an open mind is the key to wisdom.
Try it!
Pierre, why lessen the speaker instead of the content? Do you think Sullivan is only the one thinking like that? Less government is a good thing!
Anyway, I only take issue with one section in that document. “Caron’s intentions – like many of the minority french Canadians – is to use all means possible to entrench their language, and by default their culture – into the lives of the Canadian English.”
I don’t think it is “many of the minority french Canadians” who are pushing this on everyone.
After 43 years of the Official Languages Act, 26 of the Ontario French Language Services Act, we need an unbiased appraisal for actual need, clear and appropriate definitions, and what level of service is really needed and where. Modern communication technology should be investigated to address those needs!
New Brunswick has the good sense to review their Act, but I doubt it will be unbiased.
Pierre again you’re insulting me. Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean my eyes are open. My eyes are wide open. I talked with thousands of Canadians as a writer over the years right across this country and around the world.
There is a Canadian reality of kindness and we feel an obligation to be supportive of our friends in Quebec. But this has gone from linguistic accommodation to people losing their jobs, not being able to get employment with French qualifications, and glass walls and ceilings arbitrarily administered by an uncaring bureaucratic system.
Nope my friend. My eyes are wide open. The only difference is that I’m not name calling and am very very moderate. We as a country; from Coast to Coast need an open and unbiased dialog about what we really want and the best way to achieve it.
The status quo is not that in my opinion and many many others.
Bill 101 (English) in all other provinces.
Why must the state incure the cost finacially (billions) and legislate language it is up to the people -not the state to put words in thier mouth no matter the language ,otherwise does the state control freedom of thought as well?
Russia had less control on its population the does Quebec ,hell Russia did not have language police as state controlled message.
It is inhuman as well as anti-democratico oppress one language in the protection of anothers,if this were race ,culture, religion people who be screaming RACISM.
Bin Canada you are allowed to descriminate by language,but not in the United Nations.