When the highest court of the land refuses to hear the case of Howard Galganov and Jean-Serge Brisson who wish to advertise signs in the language of their choice, then you can hedge your bets that democracy is dead in our beloved Canada.
If courts in Canada at all levels refuse to grant to private businessmen the opportunity of expressing themselves as is supposedly guaranteed under Canada’s Charter of Right’s and Freedoms under Section 2b, then there is a problem, a very BIG problem. But I digress, it will be an even bigger problem if us, as taxpayers and concerned Canadian citizens, do nothing at all about these types of subjects.
What is even more bold and more concerning, is that currently in Russel Township there are agencies who are flatly ignoring the By-Law that seeks to have businesses advertise in both English and French. As CFN has already reported on this, I feel it would be a waste of time and print as to repeat the agencies in question and their reasoning behind the concept to ignore a By-Law that ALL businesses should abide by to begin with.
What have we got here? Well, we have a two tier system that allows certain organizations to post signs in the language of their choice and apparently all others left to follow the laws of the land.
This situation folks is not a democratic ideal. Two tier systems are the brainchilds and the results of totalitarian states that supposedly were left to the dustbin of history to quote Trotsky. This sort of nonsense was supposed to have been left behind during the last century. But like some grandiose, dark Pheonix, this concept of the caste system has been reborn in, of all places, ‘Our’ freedom loving Canada.
Galganov is correct in his assertion when he states that this isn’t about a language issue but that the issue of language is but a symptom of something larger. I would add that this something larger is but the concept that governments can dictate at their discretion what is best for its’ citizens. But do we not elect our governments? Or have they become our vanguard; willy-nilly deciding what is in our best interests? This most recent decision by the Canadian Supreme Court not to hear Galganov and Brisson’s case tells us that indeed the above has become the new norm.
No worry folks; you need not think for yourselves as Big Government will do all the thinking for you.
My newest Letter to the Editor is not set out to insult nor insinuate anything to anyone nor any group but should be viewed as a wake up call to those who love the concept of democracy. I am writing this today to help people understand what is occuring and the seemingly powerless affects of our courts to do anything about a subject so innocent as the freedom for business owners to advertise in the language(s) of their choice.
If our courts cannot do the right thing in such a simplistic issue then how are they to decide on other issues such as euthanasia?
Not only has my faith in all levels of the Canadian court system been impacted by all of this but also what defines our very concept of what we believe democracy to be.
When one group of people have access to the best jobs, political offices and are permitted to break laws (such as what is occuring in Russel today) then we simply no longer have a society that lives by the democratic ideal.
And what is even worse then the idea above, is that today we have language laws in both Ontario and Quebec that permit linguistic discrimination; both the artificial restricting of one and the propping up of another certain language to the negative effects of all others concerned.
Democracy is dead in Canada.
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Great letter Cory, here is hoping that these judges were merely making a statement that they have no rights to determine laws ONLY to uphold them.Government needs to uphold our Charter of Rights & freedoms & stop kissing Keebeck,s A**
Au contraire… Mr Cameron… the Court did not deny a right. it upheld an open idea that 2 offcial languages have equal value in Russell . It did not deny anyone from putting up a sign in any language with respect to the clearly stating for all the 2 offical languages must be understood first as the most common of languages in Canada since English is a minority in Russell township it protected the English language too.. A win for democracy actually… as for the idea that one class of people is better than the other… that is the most undemocratic thing I have ever read… giving people the opportunity to discuss or do business in the language of their choice is not the reason for the decsion. that is already a given where there is no by-law .. and The charter of Rights already allows that.. tour interpretation is questionnable… but you are indeed frustrated by a lack of skills needed in some areas of employment… the democratic thing to do is realize that one shortcoming does not mean abolishing a whole culture that lives peacefully in Ontario and pays taxes too..
Mariah, as I understand the situation didn’t the judges argue that the case wasn’t valid because Mr. Galganov didn’t live in the jurisdiction? And if this is the case, would a similar By-Law if enacted in South Glengarry warrant something the likes of Mr. Galgonov/Serge Brisson attempted to fight in Russel Township?
Someone wrote:
“…as for the idea that one class of people is better than the other… that is the most undemocratic thing I have ever read…”
As I agree, that that is one of the most undemocratic things I have written too. But unfortunately, it is happening in Canada.
The same someone wrote,
“giving people the opportunity to discuss or do business in the language of their choice is not the reason for the decsion.”
So the reason for the Supreme Court not hearing the case was because one of the party’s doesn’t inhabit the area where the By-Law is concerned?
” that is already a given where there is no by-law”
In speaking of that, I guess one has to wait until unfair laws are inacted in a region before trying to fight them. But alas, one Mr. Howard Galganov and Jean Serge Brisson do actually try and fight them, a TECHNICALITY is then ushered in as one of the part’s concerned doesn’t live in the area.
Notwithstanding then, it seems to usher in the understanding that we cannot fight for or against such issues as that like Bill 101 in Quebec if this mentality is to be understood.
I guess we should have left the Nazi’s to continue to wreck havoc in Europe and abroad but should only have countered their nightmares by force if Canadian shores were attacked?
How ironic that the only Enlish I’ve spoken all weekend was by writing this letter to the editor and posting a few comments to CFN. Otherwise, I’m at my wife’s parents’ place respecting their Franco-backgrounds; engaging in French-only conversation.
Wow!
Not a mention in someone’s response as well having to do with the fact that I mentioned various agencies ignoring the Russel By-Law and posting in French only?
No worries folks – this false sense of security wil fail ethnocentrists like the one who posted to my LTE. The only question will be:
Will things get worse before they get better?
Here we go again…..LOL This guy just doesn’t get it.
The truth is the courts are sick and tired of the guy and his nonsense. Many tax payers are happy to hear that the highest courts put a stop to this nonsense that has going on for years now on the taxpayer dime. This group has more of a problem with language on signs then the MAJORITY has.
Yep they are fighting for freedom yet they are trying to force small communities to pass by laws where there is no problem to begin with. Take like SG who were smart enough not let themselves get dictated to by these guys and sent them packiing.
Why would the author of this article be so concerned when he doesn’t even live in Russell? You see in one breath he is fighting for langauge on signs saying Russell was FORCED to have bilingual signs, then complains that some are still written only in french. One must ask themselves where is the common sense? Fight if it’s bilingual and fight if the sign is only in french? So I guess one is to surmise that all signs should be in english according to the way this article was written.
We must not let the gov dictate…..just the freedom fighters should dictate on how this country should be run. Let the freedom fighters tell all nations what language should be used on signs.
Please don’t discredit the people’s intelligence, we all know what is going on with you guys and your agenda. Your letter confirms what we are all thinking….control, seperate and destroy a culture. So please no need to explain and yes….we can all think for ourselves.
To say that democracy is dead is quite absurd to say the least. So I guess we can compare ourselves to the Middle East. Democracy is dead there also.
The author of this article, cory himself asks “if the court cannot do the right thing for a such a simplistic issue” etc etc….. The majic word in that statement is SIMPLISTIC……that says it all!!!! It is too simplistic for them to be wasting their time on what languages should be on a business sign. The judges and gov aren’t the only ones that find this issue simplistic.
c`est drole December 9, 2012 at 12:16 pm
“the democratic thing to do is realize that one shortcoming does not mean abolishing a whole culture that lives peacefully in Ontario and pays taxes too..”
Once again you are spreading hate propaganda ,nobody is trying to abolish a whole culture ,but you are spreading hate propaganda!
” as for the idea that one class of people is better than the other… that is the most undemocratic thing I have ever read…”
Yes it is ,but when the rights of one are lost to protect the language of another yes that is undemocratic and yes democracy is dead .
A referendom is a true democratic process let Canadians decide if they want forced bilingualism?
Now the state can tell private business owners what language goes on their sign ,wecome to socialism the state will decide it all for you !
As this violation of the charter of rights was in the Interest of the protection of a language ,why not instead protect the many native languages that are about to go extinct c`est drole and Stella?
Stella said
“It is too simplistic for them to be wasting their time on what languages should be on a business sign”
If business signs are no big deal, so simplistic, then how do you explain this?
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/walmart-old-navy-and-others-taking-quebec-government-to-court-over-language-laws-1.1049032
@stellabystarlight,
I’m assuming Galganov and Brisson used their own privately accumulated/donated wealth, to cover legal fees. No Government subsidies are being given to anyone who challenges the mainstream politically correct. As far as the cost of the court bureaucrats during this process, well that’s irrelevant to the case being presented, and that’s an issue that should be looked at from the perspective of tax dollar efficiency. The court complex is designed to be bogged down with bureaucratic tape, and therefore most court cases present a waste of tax dollars.
As far as this language issue goes, the most rational and fair solution possible, is to allow the market to dictate what languages are communicated by fair representation. The Government has no business legislating communication between human beings, and corporate entities. However, we aren’t seeing the result of a free-market language competition. The French minority have long since infiltrated the Government, and imposed their French language laws on the English-speaking majority of Canada.
I’ll never understand why statists are so afraid of freedom from the Government? Why must private business owners pay money out of their own pocket, to pander to a consumer; who would likely buy their product/service irregardless of what language the shop sign is?
Imagine if the large Chinese population in Toronto decided that they wanna be served in Mandarin at every business, across the city?? Would you support this notion Stella? It’s silly, right? Immigrants come to Canada, knowing that they should learn English if they want to succeed. English is, the Type 1 language of the future (Dr. Michio Kaku). Yet, these immigrants like the Chinese, are perfectly successful and preserving their language and culture. I don’t see many English businesses (let alone many white people) in China town in Toronto. The Chinese didn’t need a Government law.
Alright, you must get it by now. The market should dictate communication. Example:
If an English business man in East-Ottawa, wants French customers, he’s probably smart if he puts his sign in French; but it’s not necessary. I’ve worked for Italians in Ottawa, who dealt with French people all the time. My boss never used a bilingual sign or business card lol. Business men will communicate no matter what their language is. This country was built on immigrants who couldn’t speak to each other; Germans, Italians, French, Natives, etc.
I’m half irish half french. My one side of the family is French by first language, but I’ve never ever heard anyone complain about a store or a business being “too English” for them.
If you want to advertise your store in French, do it. English? Do it. Mandarin? Yep. Kling on? Why not? Why are people afraid to make decisions for themselves? If you don’t wanna go in a store, because of the sign being too English or too French, then don’t go in.
Liam…..good post, I will certainly reply (in a nice way) when I have time to read it again.
James, a big thanks for your contributions. I say this not because I agree with your take on these Freedom of Expression issues but because you make a good point about the notion of a system of checks and balances and specifically how it applies to America’s republican democratic system.
I think you are also correct in your assertion about avoiding discussing anything with this other side. All one has to do to incur their wrath of hatred and to experience personal insults is to state things for the actual way in which they are. One even had the gall today after reading my newest LTE to insist that the …”since English is a minority in Russell township it protected the English language too..” on speaking of the unfair, forced bilingual sign laws in Russel Township.
I couldn’t believe it James. Here we have someone trying to protect the By-Law in Russel (that is unfair to begin with) and insisting that it’s a good thing to have this by-law as the English are a minority in Russel Township. As to whether or not the English are in fact a minority in Russel Township I don’t know; but the two things that come to mind when I read that comment made are:
1) How did non-Francophones ever become the minority in an area where Francophones used to be the minority if such is the case;
and
2) Why are we discussing the protection of the English language in an area of the province of Ontario (which is 96% English) in a predominantly English speaking nation of Canada.
We are at the point of saturation with this issue. People are waking up to all of this stuff and realizing it for what it is. Again James, thanks a million.
Cory
Cory you could be right about reason given,however,I’m under the impression that it was given as a reason in the court case before this one. I believe that the SCOC did not give a reason for not hearing this case of freedom of expression
Liam,
All court cases are a cost to the tax payer, however, this case has gone on way too long for nothing. It is not an issue for the majority of Canadians and that my dear is a fact. No one cares what language is on a business sign, but this group is trying to make it an issue. If one is going to use freedom as their main “logo” then they should not be attending meetings and trying to force their agenda in areas that don’t have a problem.
If one wants to waste alot of time finding videos to prove their point, to me it is pointless. Liam…..I hope you can agree that anyone can find whatever they want on the net to back up what they are saying. To be fair, that applies to both sides. I don’t give those sites any credibility because anyone can get in front of a web cam or whatever and say what they want and even go as far as creating things that are played and use them for their benefit. Not my thing and many I am sure disregard them for the same reason.
No one ever said that Mr. Galganov had Gov. help to pay the cost….everyone knows he gets donations from his group to help pay his legal costs. Donations were mentioned here many times.
Liam again, consumers don’t care about the language on signs, only this group cares and they are making a big to do about nothing. Service and prices attract consumers, not the sign.
Liam, I agree with you about that scenario” asking all businesses in Toronto to speak Mandarin”, however, I do not believe that businesses HERE are demanding that their employees must speak french to customers. That is a gross exageration….I know someone here will come up with a you tube video…..not interested in personnal home made videos.
Again you bring up signs in the last segment of your post……the consumer doesn’t care and nor should this group. Liam…..I can go on but I will leave you with this for now. For the group to get more credibility and to get taken seriously, they must change their ways plain and simple. Tackle the real issues if you have any. While I am at, let me tell you Liam, many intelligent people have left here because of the insults and french bashing from the other side. Just this week a gentleman named Pierre was told he had no business in the discussion. Know what Liam..they are losing more credibility with each passing day because of their tactics and brashness……and that you can take to the bank.
Jamie…….sorry, I didn’t mean to write a book, but I had told Liam I would respond.
stellabystarlight
December 9, 2012 at 7:41 pm
“No one cares what language is on a business sign, but this group is trying to make it an issue.”
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/walmart-old-navy-and-others-taking-quebec-government-to-court-over-language-laws-1.1049032
Please review stella you still have not commented on this,for one who’s comments can be termed as written Diarrhea why have you not commented on this?
“If one wants to waste alot of time finding videos to prove their point, to me it is pointless”.
-You see folks one still blind ,but not see they are !
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Liam again, consumers don’t care about the language on signs, only this group cares and they are making a big to do about nothing. Service and prices attract consumers, not the sign.
-http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/walmart-old-navy-and-others-taking-quebec-government-to-court-over-language-laws-1.1049032
once again Stella please view! no home made video its CTV news ,it amazes me what one chooses what not to view .
I can honesty say I view what the french zealots post ,can they ?
Do you see folks out there ? Its all propaganda ,facts would be nice for once ….Really!
PRESS RELEASE
Canadians For Language Fairness Cry FOUL Over Supreme Court’s Refusal To Hear Bilingual Sign By-law
Inalienable Rights and Freedoms have no defenders in the Supreme Court of Canada
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
EMBRUN, Ontario Canada — On Thursday, December 6, 2012, jurisprudence and the inherent, INALIENABLE Rights and Freedoms, so cherished by the majority of Canadians, were tossed out the window with the bathwater when the Supreme Court of Canada rejected the application by Howard Galganov and Jean-Serge Brisson, to have the Russell Township Bilingual Sign Bylaw ruling overturned.
Canadians for Language Fairness Spokesperson, Beth Trudeau who is also a resident of Russell Township, explains;
“First, the preliminary court judge turned out to be a KNOWN French activist in the judiciary and should have recused herself. Next the three Appeal Court Judges acknowledged that a sign bylaw DID infringe on individual rights and freedoms, but that individual rights and freedoms could be trampled for a collective cause that THEY believed in. However, perhaps the most unnerving of all, is the fact that the three UNELECTED Supreme Court justices who determined whether or not the case would be heard at the highest court in Canada, did not even have to justify or explain their shocking ruling”.
Even though the Municipal Act itself, in conjunction with section 4, section 9 of the Municipal Act, expresses that the municipalities only have the same rights, powers, privileges, and capacities of the natural person and that they also only have the same authority as a natural person and that a natural person cannot commit trespass on to private property, the Supreme Court justices decided that municipalities can now have ultra vires (or beyond their power) powers au contraire to the Municipal Act.
Any and all of these reasons should have triggered a hearing at the highest court in the land, and that is not even mentioning how Bilingual Sign By-laws are contrary to Section 2b of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and how Section 1 is a notwithstanding clause for the judiciary to use and which was wrongfully invoked by the Appeal Court judges in their decision wrong because it was never mentioned, much less debated, in court as protocol and procedure demands.
“If people believe this is a language issue, they are so wrong. Canadians MUST understand that INALIENABLE rights and freedoms mean that there are specific rights and freedoms that are given to us from GOD and that man cannot be allowed to legislate them. Once we allow man to legislate them, they are no longer inalienable and if man can give us rights, he can take them away, which is why they MUST be kept INALIENABLE”, stresses Trudeau. “A bilingual sign bylaw not only infringes on Freedom of Speech, but is an attack on PRIVATE PROPERTY rights, also an INALIENABLE right. If we allow man to tell us what language to use on our private business signs, whats to stop man from dictating what message we must put on our sign If we allow municipalities the power to dictate what to put on our private signs, whats to stop them from dictating what else we are allowed to do on our own private property”.
“It will be very interesting to see whether or not Russell Township will now rescind the sign bylaw”, adds Trudeau. “Russell Township booted out the three politicians the next municipal election, who forced this by-law on us (even though the committee that they formed told them NOT to do it) and kept the two politicians who voted against the sign by-law. The excuse that Russell Township was not able to rescind the by-law until the court hearings were complete can no longer be used. I have it on very good authority that a motion to rescind the by-law will be forthcoming very shortly and that two of the politicians from Embrun, will be voting to have it rescinded. That will leave it up to one of the two politicians (both representing town of Russell and who voted against the by-law the first time round) to support having it rescinded. The Russell candidates votes were not needed to pass the by-law in 2008 and had they opted to vote in favour of the by-law, they would have been booted out too, as they very well knew”.
She is concerned about wolf in sheeps clothing and has good reason for concern. If one goes to Russell Townships web site one will see a letter from Mayor JP St. Pierre about the decision and there is not one whisper of rescinding the sign by-law.
Meanwhile, the Municipality continues to ignore their own by-law passed in the 1980s when they declared themselves officially bilingual, which applied to all municipal buildings. Municipal buildings in Embrun which, almost thirty years later, still only have Municipal signs, like Poste du Pompier, Centre Recreatif, and Salle de Quilles.
“Not to mention the fact that Russell Township is not following through on the implementation of the sign by-law. La Maison des Arts put up a free standing sign after the sign by-law was passed. The top sign is the name. The bottom, neon sign, carries the message, and it is the message that the by-law insists must be in both French and English. The message is changed frequently and is always unilingual French. There is speculation that they have not been charged with an infraction because of the fact that they received funding for their sign because of the fact they are a French organization, along with the fact that they run the daycare in the local public school and therefore the by-law does not apply to them”, points out Trudeau.
“French language extremists like the husband and wife who were fluently bilingual and yet ended up suing Air Canada, and winning, over the insult of being spoken to in English, are of great concern. If local extremists such as FAFO (la federation des aines francophones) decide to continue the harassment that they have subjected many English businesses in Russell Township to since 2007, and go into stores that they know are English, I totally believe they will sue that company for false advertising and win”, declares Trudeau.
If Canadians do not wake up, join up and join in, there is a definite threat that the Rights and Freedoms that generations of Canadians have fought and died for, will be lost for good and that our grandchildren will not know, or enjoy, life as we have known and cherished it to be. Shame on us!
Stella said
“No one cares what language is on a business sign…”
and
“Again you bring up signs in the last segment of your post……the consumer doesn’t care and nor should this group”
If you truly believe your own words stella, how do you explain this???
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/walmart-old-navy-and-others-taking-quebec-government-to-court-over-language-laws-1.1049032
means nothing except elections let people change the rules with each new council…. but the Township still won in the supreme question .. so pay up Beth… whip out your credit card to help the G while your whipping anglophones into a frenzy of guilt..pretty bad when the only way you can gain any attention is by using lies and veiled threats..and unfounded scare tactics… trying to gain more money for the mistake… of cultural decimation under the pretense of self ri gthheousness,, not surprising in the least.. next you1ll want the flogging posts to return for anyone who dares question this small groups misguided sense that Charter Rights are just for the English.. pay up now and take it as a lesson.. of course you will get LOUDER .. that is the only way to get attention but the attention you attract is not for your cause…
I can’t believe this…….LMAO
Let’s not get excited about the language on signs the world is coming to an end Dec. 21st?
highlander…..you bring up facts alright….fabricated and exagerated to the hilt. Your facts have been proven wrong so many times, one week wouldn’t be enough time to count the times you were proven wrong. When proven wrong, you go on the attack and that is why many intelligent french people quit coming here. Now you want facts, I just gave you one.
John macdonald may not agree, but conditions are soon to mirror events that caused the Rebellion of 1837 in this country, land anyway, as we were the Province of Canada then. Instead of monetary, you can insert language. Instead of agricultural crisis you can insert global change.
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/rebellions-of-1837
Am I saying we need to march and take up arms, no. We all need to make sure our courts match the public wishes though, not favor one group.
c`est drole, you continue to say “It did not deny anyone from putting up a sign in any language with respect to the clearly stating for all the 2 offical languages must be understood first as the most common of languages in Canada since English is a minority in Russell township it protected the English language too.”
You seem to miss the Charter Right of the business owner though, who was denied.
Also, English is not the minority in Russell TWP. take a look at the census ( knowledge of official language), 94.36% speak English!
http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CSD&Code1=3502048&Geo2=PR&Code2=35&Data=Count&SearchText=&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&Custom=&TABID=1
I wonder why someone cannot answer Bella-B’s question?
It was only asked what now, around a dozen times or more?
Something interesting to ponder on this Monday morning.
I see not a single LTE written from the other side asking nor defending any pertinent information concerning these relevant questions such as Freedom of Expression.
Not a single iota nor question as to why things are the way they are.
I’m still waiting for an LTE to be sent to CFN explaining the benefits of the issues that we’re discussing such as forced biligualism.
I guess Edudyorlik will end up cuing the crickets well before an LTE is sent by them.
c`est drole
December 9, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Oh drool your are learning from Stellapropaganda
“pretty bad when the only way you can gain any attention is by using lies and veiled threats..and unfounded scare tactics… trying to gain more money for the mistake… of cultural decimation under the pretense of self ri gthheousness,,”
Lies ,threats ,scare tactics ,cultural decimation?
See people who read but do not write -This is the unfounded rants these English Haters use propaganda ,no facts ,no figures ,no reasonable debates ,just propaganda and misinformation.
stellabystarlight
December 9, 2012 at 10:13 pm
“When proven wrong, you go on the attack and that is why many intelligent french people quit coming here. Now you want facts, I just gave you one.”
Yes you did give me ONE good fact -the intelligent french people have left haven’t they?so that leaves who?
You have proven nothing as of yet ,if you think you prove anything answer bella-b question or let the nice folks in the background know you really are STELLAPROPAGANDA.
This question has been asked by Bella-b many times to Stellapropaganda we all are still waiting for an answer including those in the background.
Bella-b
If you truly believe your own words stella, how do you explain this?
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/walmart-old-navy-and-others-taking-quebec-government-to-court-over-language-laws-1.1049032
@Eric Russell township is made up of 4 different smaller villages, Embrun,Limoges,Russell and Marionville..the Language of mother tongue between french and Engish is almost 50/50 according to Stats and census reports of 2011… it is more likely that most french people endeavor to learn some english (reasonable) that some english endeavor to learn french ( does mean french is unequal) asap but the areas of Embrun and Limoge have a higher french as mother tongue.. It is branding itself as a bilingual area… No one small group has a right to interfere…
@Highlander fact…hate pamphlets were distributed to incite anti-french movement.. “How to wipeout the Franco-Ontarian language and culture” circa 2008.. fact the latest English is illegal to use in Ontario… 2012… publish both online and let the general public decide the mandate of this small group ..then we can discuss who uses recidivist facts and hyperboleto make invalid points.. quotes in opposition are easy to attack but they still don`T prove any of your ideas are valid ..if you don`t live in the area in question you have no right.. nada ..no chance to decide for the residents who do live and work there!! now whip out your credit crd and pay for this mistake…
“No one small group has a right to interfere…”
Does that work both ways?
Anyway, there are still Charter rights that allow small groups to gather and express opinions.
So stella ;
We all know your trolling out there why have you not answered the question?
If signs really mean nothing ?
Bella-b
If you truly believe your own words stella, how do you explain this?
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/walmart-old-navy-and-others-taking-quebec-government-to-court-over-language-laws-1.1049032
It’s the city/township councillors that get elected that in turn pass these By-Laws that greatly ponder to French interest groups.
Now I have to wonder really whose interests they represent? It might be worthwhile to show up at one of these council meetings and ask who it is or how it came to be that these unfair By-Laws were passed to begin with.
On another note, what’s going to happen when eventually these few hundred government sponsored French language agenda groups have to pay the Piper? Not everyone can get a free ride forever. I think the day is coming when we’ll see governments at all levels cut off funding and will tell these special interest groups to fund themselves through legitimate business ventures/private donations.
Time to Pay the Piper!
A) To be able to express/communicate in the language of my choice without government interference.
B) To have the ability to work in the language of my choice which happens to be the language of the majority of the ctizens of my country.
C) To ensure that my tax dollars aren’t used to continually eradicate my rights and to push for French only linguistic discrimination.
These 3 things are happening in Canada and they need to stop immediately.
Wonder why cory can’t mind his business **smile**
Since when does one have to answer to you cory? I have responded to why she is being ignored…if you missed it too bad. Let me assure you I am quite capable of responding to anyone I choose to.
Thinking cory will keep posting for a long time on his own article to make it look like many are interested in what he has to say…LOL
What is happening in Canada folks is this. A small group is trying to seperate this PEACE LOVING COUNTRY which is the envy of the world. Don’t let this happen!!! We certainly don’t want to become the Middle East.
When a group thinks they can control an entire nation…..that means TROUBLE.
this “small” group id confusing freedom of expression and support of an offcial language with “interfering” with local governance where they have no jurisdiction or pay taxes …whip out your credit card there all you G supporters.. pay for his and serge`s mistake..now.. no doubt it is a “french” plot !! and publish the pamphlets … online unedited,, show your true colors..
Why is it that 2 known FLQ members are now teaching at the University of Montreal?
Convicted enemies of the state and then become professors?
Why were these 2 shipped off Cuba to begin with and allowed to return?
They should have been convicted of Treason and at the very least spent the remainder of their days in a penitentiary.
Is this how Canada treats its criminals?
No wonder the Supreme Court wouldn’t hear the Galganov/Brisson case!
Oh yes,Yes!
This small group trying to seperate the country as someone says? For which not a single penny is received from a government entity. Can the same be said of others such as the PQ! I would like to know why my tax dollars are funding a political party who wishes to seperate the nation?
As for some members here who I know are card carrying members of the PQ, I have this to say?
Why try to interfere in a group’s work that seeks to have equality for all?
Actually, why are you trying to discredit a group that advocates for the freedom for you to post in French only?
You don’t believe in any sort of Non-Francophone advocacy so why would you support bilingualism to begin with?
I think you need to answer these questions.
stellabystarlight
December 10, 2012 at 9:47 am
“What is happening in Canada folks is this. A small group is trying to seperate this PEACE LOVING COUNTRY which is the envy of the world. Don’t let this happen!!!”
The only GROUP that is trying to separate the nation is the separatist group in Quebec -Our group would like the respect of equality in government hiring -17% bilingual population does not justify 65% bilingual hiring in the Federal government.
Nor 4% of Ontario justify 50% in Cornwall hospital or 100% in the health unit.
When a group thinks they can control an entire nation…..that means TROUBLE.
You are right that definitely defines Quebec!
Please Stella can you be civil and not character assassinate people or a group,is that not possible for you?
Folks out there do you not see that this person defends unjust laws and policies for her own cultural benefit?
There are only 2 in her group as they use multiple names on here!
c`est drole, Freedom of Expression and bilingualism have always been separate things from what I read here. Please, contact Howard Galganov, ask him for the brochures, for your own peace of mind.
I will make it easy for you.
http://www.galganov.com/contact-us/
Eric thanks for the inside scoop but his whole idea is to spread his message ..why not be open to the whole public with the message ..if you want general populace you just be prepared to access the full idea. the pamphlets are certainly indicative of his message and yours presumably since you have such inside information.. one person at at ime is labour intensive and I don`t plan on being charged for something to cover his mistakes..no it is best to do the right thing and share the pamphlets fully and unedited… please convey this idea to your leader..
an interesting development .. did you all know that God is on this fringe groups side? Beth is claiming that since God has given man the freedom to choose their own destiny the reason man cannot choose its own destiny is because of bilingualism …and bad government.. the fringes are unraveling…
c`est drole, have you been watching X Files dvd’s? It is pretty rare that someone implicates me with having inside information. LOL I have been following these issues though!
What would you be charged with, we could take up a collection for postage if that is the issue. Of course, if you saw them, you would not be able to create doubt.
You must know that there are laws given us by God, gravity for example, and laws made by man, French Language Services Act for example. I assumed that is what she meant, why not you?
Highlander and the gang…..like drole said……post the unedited version and prove to everyone that the original pamphlet had nothing to do with eliminating the french culture. Why don’t you show everyone the famous g pamphlet. Are you changing the language in it first to try and cover your hate message towards the french? What are you afraid of? The truth?
Cory let me assure you that the group has discredited themselves
they don’t need our help……thats for sure. Your ring leader and his pamphlets have proven to “ALL” what his intentions are. You are only fooling yourselves……and no one else.
I would appreciate it if someone would stop referring to me by name. Stick with the subject.
Tell me. Have you found your man yet? Also, I do find your sexist comments (though one needs to give a token amount of credit for the recent lack of commentary you’ve shown regarding this subject) to be rather offensive. I am of course referring to something that you have stated before about ‘real men’ doing this or that or something to this or that affect.
Tell me, what is it that your so called ‘real men’ do? Moreover, I’m beginning to wonder whether this idea of a real man is, well, REALLY REAL or just a figment of your otherwise unimpressive imagination.
I mean, you have alluded to the past quite a bit of imaginative prose; haven’t you?
C’est drole……you have to be kidding me….OMG When one can’t choose their own destiny because of bilingualism, that is serious stuff. Perhaps the english speaking people who are freedom fighters may be able to help us. After all we are the minority, and they are superior to us….just maybe they will look out for our destiny.
One has commented that we are only two responding to the comments……..folks let me say this. We were way more once
upon a time and because of the name calling and putdowns many left and never came back……yet they claim they are for fairness for all…..go figure!!!
Folks……this BS has been going on for over a year now……enough already. Freedom fighters, do what you have to do and leave the PEACE LOVING PEOPLE ALONE with this nonsense. Fight your own battles without trying to get an entire nation involved. Then if you win…….so what? OH, it will give you bragging rights…..then what? If one could safely say and know that would be the end of it, that would be great. But know what folks? The freedom fighters will never be happy until the french are wiped off the face of the earth…..and that my friends will never happen. So I guess it is safe to say there is no pleasing them **s**
Well,
Not sure about you Eric, Highlander, Edudyorlik, James, Jim, Christopher, Concerned Citizen 2, Deborah, Concerned Citizen, Heather, Treats, Mariah, Helga, Bella-B, Kim, Beth, Lolochuck, etc..
But methinks that even idiots should know that whenever you are asking something of someone you should go to the source, no?
As in contacting Howard Galganov for one of his pamphlets.
Much like a mother bird chewing and breaking down food morcels for baby birds, I guess we need to do the same in ‘guiding’ the lemmings to the source.
Seek out Howard Galganov should you want one of his pamphlets. And while you’re at it, take my advice and do something useful with your spare time and hand them out to your friends and families if they aren’t illiterate.
Maybe they didn’t learn that in French school?
Then again, they did learn how to elicit millions of dollars from salt-of-the-earth people though.
We cannot really fault the less fortunate in brain power such as what is exhibited by the French Fringe Radical elements on here.
They require individuals, groups and organizations to prop up their self-identified, intrinsic idea of supremacy over all others. This can be shown and proven by the artificial requirement of coat tailing the successful elements within society who work for what they do and earn their keep.
What does S!@$%a produce? If she is a government worker, is she worth her $25.00-$30.00 an hour? We have to start asking ourselves these types of questions. Why couldn’t her work be contracted out to a number of part-time positions? Surely, as she has admitted in the past, there are huge, high numbers of unemployed out there. What better way to ‘ease’ her overburdened workload then to cut her pay in half and hire her an assistant? It must be taxing to lug away at the keys all day at her inflated government job spewing hatred towards one group of people who simply wish to be on an equal footing with another group of people?
I mean, the average worker nowadays in Canada doesn’t earn 20 or 30 dollars an hour, do they?
Public opinion is important isn`t it Cory.? wanting to gain respect for the message..so publish the pamphlets since you believe in the message..copyright laws would stop anyone but the publisher from sharing the pamphlets online or in any media I think they should come from the source openly.. what`s to hide?. best way forpeople to know the facts are to show the message clear and uneditied.. not your word for it or anyone elkse`s just Mr G open and question period..some copies are out there.. 2 different pamphlets at least.. there is no other way to get the message across.. no need for insults, just real honest open pamphlet reading…no excuses now
Today I embarked on an experiment and was totally sickened by it. I tend not to engage in personal name calling and rants but I wanted to test the waters as is to see if the other side would turn a blind eye as to my intended stupid and silly rants…
Boy how wrong I was! Not only did they not ignore my stupidity, but they escalated the name calling and rantings and ravings that I so despise on any other given day.
I guess to elicit/solicit the other sides’ attention, we need to engage in this type of tomfoolery and not stick to the subject matter at hand?
It’s bizarre to say the least,
C.
@highlandder,
Your statistics are wrong or misused. The francophone population is 23% of Canada
There are more Francophone in the federal public service about 60% but that’s only because they’re bilingual and if you consider r the whole region of eastern Ontario and western Québec where federal hiring mostly takes placem well, surprise, there may be more francophones.
Services in french hospitals are only offered where numbers warrent it, that’s all, so the argument of only 4% of Ontario’s population does not stand up.
I’m sorry I cannot help you find your pamphlets as I do not have a copy of them. You’ll have to do your own research. May I suggest http://www.galganov.com/ to help you.
Kind regards,
C.
Cory since you spent time on a little bitty picket line with the G this past summer I`m sure you can take the initiative and get him to publish it online unedited and open… like any good leader he likes and respects his followers… doesn`t he? what is the problem he wrote them he must believe them and he must want to share them to gain more followers… no insults now…what`s to hide..?
I agree Cory, they should do their own leg work. If they want to see the pamphlet so badly they should take the time to find it. Besides even if we did find it for them, history shows they wouldn’t click the link.