CFN – We now officially know the names of the 30 member steering committee asking Cornwall & the Counties for $75K to do a feasibility study that the province requested before considering to support a university in Cornwall Ontario. I wrote about this last week and about why I thought it was nuts for this group to ask taxpayers to float their vanity project. LINK
What we seem to have is a group of politicians trying to grab some glory before the next elections. Most on this list do not have University degrees nor have many shown much support in their community for efforts that are made to help grow and evolve.
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For example, what jobs will a university grad in Cornwall attain? We have students graduating from St. Lawrence College not able to attain jobs in Cornwall for example right now. Will a more costly University degree help?
Over one third of this group live off the back of the taxpayer already, either sucking up a tax payer job or pension. There are only a few people with actual expertise and they are politically dependent on others on this list.
Where are the real people that could possibly help a project or show why it could or couldn’t work.
Last night Mr. Benson & the Kaneb’s came to council. They did not have a plan. They did not have a goal other than asking for money for a feasibility study and this after one year of meetings and back room discussions. Does this make sense to anyone?
Is it worth $1.25 per resident of Cornwall; that vast majority of would have about as much use for a university than they do for the Benson Centre? If Mr. Benson and his other group of friends are accurate and Cornwall is over taxed how does asking for money to float this boat (and Mr. Kaneb joked about coming back for more after) help the tax burden?
Councilor Thibault did his Monty Hall impression suggesting that Akwesasne should cough up some cash and that they and the counties be true partners if cash was to be spent.
And there is the shadow of Conflict of Interest.
Surely with Mayor Kilger and Councilor MacDonald on the Steering committee, the one that’s asking the City for, CASH, ie, monetary gain, they should have both recuse themselves from any possible influence on the subject and discussion? After all they are members of a committee asking money of council? A council they both sit on and get to vote on normally? Surely they should have followed Councilor David Murphy’s step of declaring himself in conflict because of his employment with the Benson Organization?
Today you can go to University online for free. That’s right free.
University of the People – Tuition Free – Want to take classes at Harvard for free? Yale?
You see most of the people in this committee are used to living from the labours of the public. If this austere group really wants to give to the community surely they can each find $2,500 to donate to the cause?
Youth retention and good jobs are critical to this community. Education is driving our youth away. But we need some of these people to get with the status quo and stop being afraid of our more modern ways.
Support local business because that will create good jobs for our young people that have potential for growth. Work with and help local initiatives grow. Government can’t solve problems, but they can support and aid the solutions from people the create them.
Sadly council embraced this not hot mess of a presentation, and seem to be racing to write a cheque. After all a provincial election may be around the corner and there are less than 720 days to the next municipal election.
This voter however is noting who is supporting this mess and who has some back bone and is actually representing the tax payer as this committee surely doesn’t seem to be.
OF course if this process ever became legitimate and there was a real plan with a real need presented to the public surely an actual public meeting with feedback from the residents of Cornwall would make more sense? Trends in education, besides online, are clearly visible with a minute amount of research.
Process is everything. Politicians are accountable only if we the public hold them accountable for the way they spend money. I personally find it ironic that this group of mostly seniors are bankrupting the future generation who have to pay off this debt by doing so in their names! Am I the only one that finds that odd?
Cornwallites do you think that the Mayor and Councilor MacDonald should impact this vote while being on the committee?
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If it were such a good idea Jerry Benson,Tom & Gail Kaneb would be using their own money for the feasibility study then come begging for taxpayer money,we cannot afford higher taxes which are already higher than Kingston. Mayor Kilger & councillor Elaine McDonald are both on the University committee & should have excused themselves from this presentation to council talks at council meeting! Only in Cornwall!!! Our children would still leave Cornwall after their degree as there is no jobs here for them,especially if they are not french enough,sad because Cornwall is not a bilingual city & never will.The mayor can call it one all he wants but that will not change the facts!
@Mariah. Right!
Schools of higher learning are fine but one must remember that there needs to be a reasoning behind it. I see this idea as doing nothing but saving some kids a few dollars by having the ability to remain in their hometowns while attending university and living with their parents.
Again, to echo others’ ideas, will there be jobs available for these grads once they graduate? Or will we see the continuation of a brain drain atmosphere with but the creation of another school.
It’s fine and okay to educate your population but what is the sense in doing so if there is nothing for them to go to afterwards.
Hey Cornwall City Council! You have the wrong idea here. Create jobs for those many out there that are educated and maybe they’ll stick around, raise families and pay taxes. And who knows? Maybe in turn those same people will be able to afford to send their children to university without having them incur huge debt loads with no job prospects afterwards.
LOL
I stand corrected Eric, typing and thinking is not a good thing at times.
Even so look around the council table and add them to the list of University graduates.
The 2% is derived from a statistic
What if the statistician thinks the amount of people in Cornwall having an education is too high or is encouraged to play with the data?
The answer is quite simple; just trim the values by 5 percent, which means that the top and bottom 5 percent of the values are simply left out in the data analysis. So the higher number and lower number are no longer in the data…
Now considering Tom works in venture capital investments He would be stellar at statistics. Not truly having to provide anything tangible, yet creatively playing with numbers to earn investments.
Willie Wise did the same thing, well close.
We can’t blame Bob as he really has no formal education therefore it is easy to pull the wool over his eyes
It’s bad enough that naive young people are steered through High School and into University without a thought for finding work or the insurmountable debt that lies at the end of a “paper chase”.
Now, taxpayers are being shaken down for $75,000 from a bunch of sad sacks that, as they approach old age (near corpses and sundried specimens some of them), they find that chasing money, tail, and sunny climes all these years, has left them empty of real and satisfying achievement.
Before we get sucked in by this little band, remember, “What is crooked cannot be straightened”
And as for their openly conceited motive of “legacy”…
“No one remembers the former generations, and even those yet to come will not be remembered by those who follow them.”
(a little Ecclesiastes there for you)
Ha! Ha! Simon your way with words is a humorous, but exact discription of who we’re dealing with!
With tidbits from the council presentation and Eric’s additional information, now everything falls into place. Secret meetings behind closed doors were to conceal a plan for French university that local majority anglophones would find unpalatable. We are too familiar with questionable French language politics and personal agendas playing out in Ontario.
As a turn-off, there are also some ugly precedents, like Moncton University, which was supposed to be a bilingual university, but after the funds were collected from local citizens and the college built, the attitude toward the city people changed. The school was no longer for persons of English-speaking origin. The school had almost overnight become a totally French-speaking institution. Persons from Moncton area were being turned down over and above the Quebecois. I am afraid the Cornwall “elite” has a similar scenario for Cornwall.
Ontario francophone organization has the same francophone consultant who they use to cook up studies to support their plans for whatever French thing they want.
Concerned I have to say that if they built a Francophone University that truly helped our economy and city I personally would have no objection. Of course this group has not made any presentation so we really have no factual idea of what the heck they are thinking…
In terms of employment, local Francophones already have it better than the general population due to bureaucratic creation of artificial demand for bilingualism. Francophones earn more and have less unemployment. It’s the local anglos that are disadvantaged. Whatever university that is ever built must be geared to improve the lot of the anglos.
Unemployment Rate (Source: Statistics Canada, Census of population, 2006)
Prescott and Russell:
Francophones 3.7%
Total population 4.2%
Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry:
Francophones 5.4%
Total population 6.1%
http://otf.ca/en/knowledgeSharingCentre/resources/Champlain_Francophone_EN.pdf
(By Ontario Trillium Foundation – Profile of the Francophone Community in Champlain)
I fully support a university in Cornwall even being complementary to the programs given out in st Lawrence college
I would not support a university in Ontario that provided courses in French however as if I wanted to take my degree in French I would have went to Quebec.
I also am wary of the “luminaries” that have ascribed their name to this.
I think economies of scale would be immense having two higher learning institutes in the one city.
Having a university however is only the start, as we would require jobs that are relevant to the learning. We currently do not have that, so there are many economic issues that have not been looked at, and while the benefits can be there, if there is no plan as Jamie alluded to, then it will be lucky if it succeeds, otherwise we will be churning out graduates that have to move to get employment, especially if they only speak the language of business (English)
There has to be a plan by the proposers that enables city hall to have the confidence to spend 55k on a feasibility study.
The rumoured site for a university is the Nav Canada Centre.
Old John Chrichton, the head of a friends and family gang running NavCanada, is holding out for $100,000,000 million for the site.
Now, that’s a bit much for a shell of a building that was once the centre of Air Traffic Control training for all of Canada. But after the failed (huge financial blunder) decentralization of training, the building is pretty much empty in spite of the silly gals running the place that fancy themselves to be executive geniuses.
But 80 odd acres of real estate that can be chopped up by developers and real estate weasels, hmmmm… there’s money in them thar hills.
So, with a study funded by the poor (Gail Kaneb’s opinion) of Cornwall, and a purchase by the poor suckers of Ontario, then the kickbacks, severances, fees, favours, and a write-off for NavCanada (8 months of negative business in 2012)… well, maybe there’s a deal in the offing after all.
Simon is it me or does this Nav thing reek of Ed Lumley?
Admin, I worked for Lumley on his campaign when he ran for mayor. Then MP, I still have his buttons and lapel pins.
It was a good thing he ran and won because he seen growth potential, the industrial park was his potential legacy. Navcan was his as well and at great risk to his career.
The reason the industrial park sits bare now is a result of his predecessors not wanting to loose their strangle hold on the people, Nav Can is the same thing.
He brought growth and the people you see before you on council and in local business are the ones that screwed it up.
He is old school and a little rough around the edges, but there was no better leader for our area prior, nor following.
People seem to have issues with him because he expected a pound of flesh. Yet they neglect to mention he paid well for it. I also believe it was he who first incorporated benefits and the OHIP paid by the company when he ran Coke.
Were you here at that time?
No Hailey. I have only had one conversation with him and was quite impressed by his political savviness. Also his positioning on the waterfront condo issue was a work of art.
-L- Savviness?? Well then you did not talk to Ed, maybe a drone.
As for his take on the waterfront, he had intentions of making that whole are a public oasis at one time and I believe it still holds true today.
Hi,
An “International University of Cornwall” would be a success,
teaching the following courses or relevant course material:
– Mandarin
– Cantonese
– Spanish
– English
– French
And in that order !!!.
Cheers.
Hi,
I had another look at the “Steering committee”.
I do not know any of them personally, but:
-Are any of them under the age of forty(40) ???
-Any of them students or potential students ???
-What qualifies them to steer- what, where and when???
Looking forward to your response.
Re: vagabundus January 31, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Philanthropy, charity, Mega business acumin, mentors, multi committee handles, networks as high up as you would welcome to go and oh yuea, money.
Of course these are only a few but I digress.
Oh, alright, I will digress, contrary to some, they have a love for and a compassion for this community…all of them. They also have motive, yes, that naughty word, motive. They actually think they can raise up this corner of Nefoundland….er, Ontario. But so far, as far a sQueens Park is concerned, we might as well be in NFD.
Thats a job now for our MPP and oh, yes, our own Bernadette Peters of Irland ya know….Ms. B. Clement who will take them on in the GTA as she slowely gets pulled in by our new Premier elect Ms. Wynne.
Unless you have lived under a rock, you should havae been aware of these fine members of o;ur community who have supported probably all our local polititians in one way or another.
I just came out. I have lived under that same rock too.
Your idea about an International Languages University Center just might catch on. Good one Vaga. Don’t forget the Indian and Arabic dialects/languages either. AND WHY NOT…….EXCEPT FOR THE UNIVERSITY ITSELF, CAN YOU SEE OTHER SPIN-OFF INDUSTRIES AS A RESULT?
PERHAPS SOME OF THE ELITE COMMITTEE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN COMMUNICATING WITH THE INTERNATIONAL EMBASSIES IN oTTAWA AND ELSWHERE IN CANADA FOR VOCAL AND PERHAPS FINANCIAL HELP.
WE COULD EASILY SET UP AN INTERNATIONAL SPY SCHOOL AS WELL…SO WE’D ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE {SORRY, I COULDN’T RESIST THAT ONE…CHEAP, I KNOW).
Keep them coming folks…you never know who’s thought or dream just may cut the mustard with the committee.
no comment from any of the steering commitee here to enlighten the readers (public/taxpayers) no facebook page from this group to promote its idea. no forum for input. would love to support this cause but every minute that goes by without any respons e confirms that community opinion has no place in this deal. i recommend that all administrators,politicians, anf future groups looking for public funds embrace transparency. if none of the above read the newspaper a facebook page called cornwall citizens demand answers may need to be created and shared until communication is achieved. any other ideas out there?
My wife and I have degrees and commensurate income in Cornwall after being away for 20 years. There is no reason to have more university grads here. There is only work for professionals, teachers, and management jobs. No demand for educated employees = no demand for university spaces. Who wants to move to “The Dirty City Under a Crooked Bridge”? Why would anyone want to come here with all the crime, methheads, 13 yr old mothers, and assorted useless citizens? Stupid idea proposed by those who should be going to Carousel.
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Here is a classic Cornwall situation: Target has acquired the former Loblaws site and is doubling the amount of employees previously required. The new development will be to fill online orders since Target is not opening many stores in Canada. Most of the people hired by Target already are disgruntled SCM employees. SCM is anticipating having to hire from outside of the area to meet the positions. Why you may ask? Because there are not enough people in Cornwall with a pulse who want to work to fill the positions. And they say we need a university? Screw that!
Re: Dave Windsor,
Hi Dave,
Just to let you in on something. The INTERNATIONAL SPY SCHOOL, you mentioned, has been here and is well established.
See, it is so secret, you do not even know about.
One more observation for the Steering committee. I did a quick feasibility study (at no charge).
Within a radius of approx. 200 km (Cornwall) , i.e Quebec, Ontario and New York State I have counted more than twenty five (25) institutes of higher learning. Post secondary as it is called, i.e.
universities, colleges and academies.
That will be Cornwall’s University competition.
What will the potential University of Cornwall offer, that these
other higher halls of learning, can not or will not provide ??
A very good point puzzled. While I know many on that group don’t use computers much, they certainly have staff and wives that do….This month we have broken our traffic record again with over 40,00 unique visitors and 1.7M page views. The more certain people disrespect the viewers of CFN they more they put their own careers and credibility on the line. They might not like that we don’t kiss butt and offer great reverence, but I have always said that what we tend to write about is a reflection of what the public is thinking and talking about.
Re: Dave Windsor – Spin-off Industries
Hi Dave,
Spin-offs could be:
MOTIVATION
INNOVATION
INVENTION
INVESTMENT
INCOME
You must admit, there is a market for it in this, the Cornwall area.
How about just restoring the provincial funding for St. Lawrence College that the Harris goons cut in the nineties? There is a serious lack of qualified trades-people and technologists all over Canada.
Look in the mirror, Ed. It was your Dalton McGuinty who cut $42 million to university research grants.
“What is the incentive to go to graduate school if you’re not going to get the proper education and research funding that it takes to get yourself into the workforce?” she asked. “The McGuinty Liberals decision to unilaterally slash the fund further undermines Ontario’s economy at the worst possible time.”
Ontario’s research universities and colleges told the Star they are stunned by the cancellation of key parts of the Ontario Research Fund grant program in the areas of social sciences, humanities and in research excellence.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/01/09/mcguinty_defends_cuts_to_university_research_grants.html
@ Tim. Mirror? My Dalton McGuinty?
OK.
This isn’t a respectable blog – that’s the problem. Most people who try doing something positive for this town don’t visit this site because nothing but lies and slandering comes from it. A university would be a boon to this town – one only needs to look at other cities who went through this debate (in the 60s) to see what they reaped.
Jen you’re quite right. CFN is not a blog. It’s the most read Newspaper in Cornwall and the area. The problem is nit wits like you that don’t get your head out of your arse, look in the mirror, look at the issues and work with others to make things better. You maam are a lemming and I feel glad that there aren’t that many of you here in Cornwall…and the 60’s which many of the steering were around and active was when a University should have been created. Times change; needs change. Sadly stupidity sticks… Welcome to CFN btw 🙂
Ouch! Good comment though admin.
vagabundus January 31, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Hi Dave,
Spin-offs could be:
MOTIVATION
INNOVATION
INVENTION
INVESTMENT
INCOME
These are all wonderful words and some, if not all happen to apply to the ground breaking University ‘committee’. No ‘I’ in ‘team’ but they really are a power packed group. If it be resolved that no Uni. for Cornwall to be, they will eek it out to the n’th degree.
Some negativists may be closer to the truth than we realize, yet HOPE springs eternal.
Yes, there are quite a few higher Ed’s within the 200 km/mile radius but somehow, someway we just may possibly find the right niche for Cornwall.
I’m not prepared to give up the ship if the steering committee even had Corey Kennedy at it’s helm. Remember Corey who wanted to be Mayor, if you can imagine that, yet he stood alone in his campaign challenge to see a UNIVERISTY HERE.
By the way, you may not ‘see’ comments here by any of the committee, but you can be sure our minds are being picked, or is that ‘mined’ with a pik-axe by some of them. So, don’t behave…spell it out as ;you wish because stupid or bright, either have a chance of giving appropriate directions. No, not up there either.
Food for thought, aka “Mental floss”.
I just came back from Hong Kong. Visiting friends and
talking. All of us are University grads from about a dozen different countries; myself, a graduate from Queen’s
University and the University of Waterloo (Canada).
University of Waterloo has been teaming up with Universities
in Hong Kong and China. Queen’s University has Executive MBA’s
in different cities.
My favourite websites are Harvard, Yale, UCLA, Khan academy etc.
all providing a range of courses FREE. And, lets not forget the
University of Athabasca here in Canada, well known around the
world. I could name more…
I stayed in a Hotel in Tsim Sha Tsui (Hong Kong). I was told by
my friends, the city block, known as the “Golden Mile” had
approx. 120,000 people living and working there.
One of the office towers was HQ. for a University from Europe.
“Brick to click” has come and is here to stay.
Cheers and Gung Hei Fat Choy.
BTW. I am not of Chinese origin. Had to learn the language
while working for years in China as an Engineer.
Thank you Vagabundus. This is why public consultation is so critical and crucial. There are an amazing amount of knowledge out there that we need to tap into to help our community. Meeting in secret for a year and having a wealthy group ask tax payers, many of whom are on fixed income or working poor pay for their folly without even a proper plan presented is just wrong.
We need to do better. While I’m being vilified for stating this opinion locally it’s odd that I’ve had a ton of communication from outsiders wondering the same things….
@Ed
As you said, there is a serious lack of qualified trades-people and technologists all over Canada. However, at St Lawrence College, “Enrolment in Skilled Trades has been declining. In spite of ample space and good resources for automotive programs, these offerings are at risk. Welding and Fabrication Technician and General Carpenter programs are currently suspended “.
Overall campus enrolments have also been in decline. Programs that have also been suspended because of a decrease in enrolment include: Business Administration – Human Resource Post-Graduate; Communicative Disorders Assistant; Educational Assistant; Motor Vehicle Mechanic; Welding and Fabrication Technician.
At Brockville campus, Skilled Trades programs have been suspended completely.
What is Cornwall “elite” thinking? Would Benson and Kaneb expand their own businesses when consumer demand shrinks? Not a sane businessman would do that. So why are they so reckless with the taxpayer’s money??
http://www.stlawrencecollege.ca/_files/Campus%20Master%20Plan%20Final%20Section2.pdf
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@ concerned, hard to understand why this is happening with such a demand for the trades. I would have favoured a study on whether Cornwall could eventually be known as the City of Trades Education as opposed to a University, but this information you have given is quite shocking. If this group is looking out for their own I am very doubtful any of the local high school graduates would want to stay home for their university experience. I too believe it is a waste of taxpayers’ money.
Rosie, I think St Lawrence teaches wrong trades that are not in demand anymore, at least in this region. I hear the demand for skill trades is for oil sands development in the West, but western provinces should take care of that themselves.
Hi Ed and Rosie.
Many moons ago, before I went to University, I attended St. Lawrence College, Cornwall (Trades program). The program, the facilities/shops and teachers were EXCELLENT. After graduation, I had four job offers. None in Cornwall. Out of the four job offers,
two were from abroad. The jobs abroad paid approx. twice as much as the ones I was offered in Great White North.
I used all the manuals, books and teaching material from my trades courses to teach new and potential mechanics and technicians in foreign lands.
So, I know exactly what you are talking about.
A new or proposed University in Cornwall will certainly not address the problems we are discussing here.
To: Tom, Rick and Gerry (aka. Steering committee), lets get real, be pragmatic, learn how to put together a sound business plan.
The concept of a proposed University has passed the dream and legacy stage; cold cash and sobering realities is what you have
to deal with now.
Ciao amigos.
I smell a conspiracy from the “elite” here working in tandem with French language zealots, hence the committee’s secret meetings. I am afraid they want to saddle Cornwall mostly anglo community with a French-only university, “which must be autonomous and managed by the Francophone community in the region”, as franco zealots insist. Anglos pay but have no say!
vagabundus wrote: BTW. I am not of Chinese origin. Had to learn the language while working for years in China as an Engineer.
INTERESTING!!
Thinking many Canadians would benefit if they learned the Chinese language also, especially if they are living in the greater metropolitan areas.
There has been many elementary school closures in Cornwall and one, perhaps two more at the end of this school year. That being said, how could Cornwall and surrounding area support a University?
I think many Chinese as well as French Canadians would benefit if they learned the English language. They are living in Canada, after all, the English-speaking country.
That being said, I am glad stella is seeing the light in that it’s unrealistic for Cornwall to have a university. Demographics do not support it, let alone economics.
Good points, good arguments.
To use a hockey analogy. We all start out in the minors.
Most of us dream to play in the majors, i.e bright lights,
fast lane, big bucks.
The difference is PERFORMANCE, based on talent, skills,
initiative , ambition and opportunity.
Some of us make it to the majors, stay for awhile or come
back to the minors, play an exhibition game (proceeds to
your charity of choice). Sign the puck and move on or
fade away into the sunset.
And so it is with Cornwall and its University ambition.
Here, in Cornwall, we play in the minors in more ways than
one. We don’t have the fan base or the big bucks to play
in the majors.
Yes, dreams have become realty for some of us.
But sooner or later we accept what life is dishing out.
So, while “revisiting” the University of Cornwall dream
is nice and feels good, lets take stock and work with what
we have.
Cornwall is a nice place with a lot of potential. But before
we move on to the majors, let us remember how they
got there: ” PERFORMANCE AND RESULTS”
Helga February 2, 2013 at 2:41 pm
How many French schools in Ontario sit at least half empty to provide French only services.
Up north a school was built for millions with only 50 students .
No if you build it ,it doesn’t mean they will come .
But I am sure francophones will get their French university even as languge in jobs numbers do not warrant.
To Helga,
I hope this does not come as a shock to you:
Millions of Chinese read, write and speak English,
but very few Non-Chinese speak, write and read
Mandarin or Cantonese.
BTW: Also, I understand Cantonese and some Mandarin,
writing in Mandarin will take me another hundred
years.
Cheers.
I think more total Chinese speak English than there are Canadians that speak English 🙂
admin February 3, 2013 at 9:39 am
Very easily so admin as the international language for business is English,many of the world are flocking to it because it has become the standard .
But if Canadians were to learn Madarin /Cantonese or Punjab there is where the future ls as both groups and their respective populations are the fastest wealth growers and potential spenders.
Hi Admin.
I e-mailed the question re: “Chinese people speaking English”
to friends in Singapore.
Here is the answer:
“You want their names, too ??. ”
“We will start with: Tam, Tang, Peng, Ping, Ip, Yip, Chan,
Chen, Deng…..”
“That’s about 20 million of them TO BEGIN with…”
To Helga: Try some DIM SUM. Good start.
Highlunder, I don’t understand why did you jump on me. Maybe you need to brush up on your English to understand my post on
February 2, 2013 at 7:41 pm. Where did I say that more French schools need to be built?!
And vagabundus, what Chinese language has to do with the topic at hand – university for Cornwall? Everybody knows that 1.2 billion Chinese in China speak Chinese and China embraced the English language as the language of business. And your silly smirk about their names??
Highlunder, I don’t understand why did you jump on me. Maybe you need to brush up on your English to understand my post on February 2, 2013 at 7:41 pm. Where did I say that more French schools need to be built?!
And vagabundus, what Chinese language has to do with the topic at hand – university for Cornwall? Everybody knows that 1.2 billion Chinese in China speak Chinese and China embraced the English language as the language of business. And your silly smirk about their names??
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Hi everyone, just a pre-emptive to remind that we stay on topic. Debate the subject; not the poster please.
Thanks!