CFN – Cornwall City Hall did the back door shuffle and have agreed to send $50K to fund the study that the committee above have asked to have commissioned.
Little has been said about their vision; but CFN has been digging and could the reason for the secrecy simply be that Cornwall wishes to establish a French University? And if so why the secrecy? Are the politicians which chiefly make up this group concerned about a back lash from the public for spending public tax dollars on such a project.
Many don’t realize that there is a major regional push to attract disgruntled Francophones from Quebec to Cornwall and it makes some sense in that with Quebec’s economic and political woes an opportunity to attract young families is there. Couple that with a desire politically to have a French University in Ontario and you have a recipe for something that could attract people and money to Cornwall.
Lapresse recently ran a piece discussing Cornwall. LINK The article discussed a drop in Francophones from 30 to 26% and the concerns of some of the locals. Councilor Maurice Dupelle was quoted, but most of the quotes came from Georgette Sauve of the SD&G ACFO)
Translated quote:
Francophone immigration is one of the keys. We need new blood to maintain an acceptable level of French in Cornwall, “said the President.
Education, employability and apparently French Education were primary concerns.
“We must put pressure on elected officials to implement policies to facilitate the immigration of French here. Employers also have a role to play. Finally, the number of allophones who turns aside default the English school system is also a big problem that we have identified, “says the president of the ACFO-SDG, Georgette Sauvé.
It was also discussed on TFO’s 360 show. CLICK to watch VIDEO REPORT.
The question many will be asking is why all the secrecy and why not have open discussion by politicians in the community rather than writing cheques and socially engineering our region? After all it’s everyone’s tax dollars and we all live here. Surely the public should have some say in some of these decisions?
We already have the stench of having two of the committee members, Mayor Kilger and Councilor Elaine MacDonald on the committee not recusing themselves from discussion or voting on the issue which violates number 2 of their Declaration of Office.
2. I have not received and will not receive any payment or reward, or promise thereof, for the
exercise of this office in a biased, corrupt or in any other improper manner.
Clearly there is a reward when you as a member of a group ask for cash from city hall? You have achieved a goal which is of course a reward.
Again, nothing against having a French University in Cornwall, or French in general, but these processes and forcing the public to pay for freight without public consultation surely isn’t Democratic, is it? And while having a University isn’t a bad thing how many of these French Uni grads would be staying in Cornwall?
What do you think CFN viewers? You can post your comments below.
So Richard because “43 pour cent de la population ayant le français comme langue maternelle a toutefois déclaré parler l’anglais le plus souvent à la maison” is why I must learn French?
Thank god we do live in Canada where minority languages are protected and preserved. Just to promote native studies for students from kindergarden to 12th grade the government invested 1.5 billion. Another 317 million to help and promote post secondary education among natives. In 2012, 175 million to build new schools.
http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/fra/1100100033601/1100100033605
This is how much was invested in the last few years for native school infrastructure.
195 millions $ en 2006-2007
244 millions $ en 2007-2008
208 millions $ en 2008-2009
277 millions $ en 2009-2010
304 millions $ en 2010-2011
195 millions $ sont prévus pour 2011-2012
http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/fra/1349147059614/1349147121978
Now some might think that helping out natives is a waste of money, I don’t. We should promote a multitude of different cultures and languages in Canada. DId I post all of the finances the government invests in natives, nope. I could probably research more and find that the federal government invests 8 billion dollars in aboriginal needs through their ministry. But, I have a job, I have other interests that i need to tend to.
oh, and by the way, thank you john baird for neglecting the french minority and printing english only ministry cards. It looks like your colleague mister fontino did the same thing. The conservative government neglects francophones, where is the article in CFN ? Why must it always promote LFA ? THe conservative government went against the law here…
Richard, Excellent!! Tu fais bien ca..**smile**
Wow….those numbers are astounding. Yep, the natives are being neglected.
Rosie, the french tests are paid by the student, one of my friends took the test three times paid out of her own pocket. That my friend is a fact.
Pierre
April 10, 2013 at 11:18 am
“Nobody, in their mind says or expects that any minority rules.
But, it may seem like it, to those who believe, that minorities should have no rights.
The latest count of Anglo Ontarians (2012) I found, is 582,690, that’s 4.8% of the Ont. ”
Once again minorities do have rights well except in a lesser part in Quebec,but SOME MINORITIES have a majority control.
I have Shown you numbers as I have above indicating french spoken at home 284,115 in Ontario ,now you say :
The latest count of Anglo Ontarians (2012) I found, is 582,690, that’s 4.8% of the Ont.
I’m to assume you meant Francophones here but the difference in numbers sends a clear statement that even the francophones do not speak french in their own home.Is the state to enforce french because they do not speak their language at home?
But if you want to state that number which is once again significantly higher then the stats I recently looked at please post the link -OR ITS JUST HOT AIR.
Richard tremblay
April 10, 2013 at 2:19 pm
“I would encourage my friend howard to re read what I wrote. I said I heard on a Québec radio station that throughout the world 800 million people can speak french, ”
You clearly stated that 800 million french people ,but coming from your state propaganda radio station ,this is to be expected !
You were only off by near 600 million ,its really not that much…lol…lol..lol Keep watching the state propaganda machine.
Richard tremblay
April 10, 2013 at 2:22 pm
“Statistics differ but your right pierre, with protectionist laws the french language can prosper.”
Protectionism is only for the benefit of the one individual at the cost of others.
Rosie
April 10, 2013 at 4:12 pm
“When a person is hired because they speak both English and French and their first language is French, should the tax payer pay for this French person to travel to Ottawa to be tested in French at the cost of $250.00.”
Yes the Cornwall Community Hospital does this and sends their employee’s to be professionally tested at new avenues for french.
Yet for English the managers are professional linguistic experts as they do the English testing.
Pierre ,Stella and Richard you still are avoiding my question:
“Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened???????”
Rosie
April 10, 2013 at 6:05 pm
So Richard because “43 pour cent de la population ayant le français comme langue maternelle a toutefois déclaré parler l’anglais le plus souvent à la maison” is why I must learn French?
Good point Rosie
Assimilation of English to learn French is required -we are borg you will be assimilated!
Richard tremblay
April 10, 2013 at 6:20 pm
Richard Once again you must have a mental deficit of a sort .
I requested how much was spent on native languages -not the full educational curriculum from grade k-12,no this is not native studies only .
“Now some might think that helping out natives is a waste of money, I don’t. We should promote a multitude of different cultures and languages in Canada. DId I post all of the finances the government invests in natives, nope. I could probably research more and find that the federal government invests 8 billion dollars in aboriginal needs through their ministry. But, I have a job, I have other interests that i need to tend to.”
Richard Quebec gets over 8 billion as welfare payments ,but is that allocated for bilingualism NO that is an additional 2.4 billion to promote one culture .
“Thank god we do live in Canada where minority languages are protected and preserved.”
That being said you still have not answered my question:
Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened???????
Merci stella,
We provide proof yet some look at it with a blind eye. Je pense qu’il y a des gens qui jouent à l’autruche. Stella you probably read Pierres comment that answers howard perfectly. Working with kids with mental disorders, I’m not going to reply to that comment that I believe should have been deleted. With all of the commercials on TV promoting awareness on mental disorders howard should have known better. Criticizing the comment rather then insulting the person. Doing otherwise shows you don’t have much of a position. Finally Me and jaime agree on something.
I have a comment to CFN journalists, where is the article that defends the francophones. Serious transgressions from Ministers Baird and MInister fontino in regards to francophone rights. I the article is in the works.
Richard if you want to submit a letter to the editor on this subject, in English or French, our email address is info@cornwallfreenews.com or jamie@cornwallfreenews.com
http://cornwallfreenews.com/mission-statement-contact-us/
And you also may not be aware but for months CFN had a French only journalist. Not a single French business in Cornwall would sponsor and support him and French articles on CFN.
Thanks,
Da management 🙂
@ Highlander, more than the Cornwall Community Hospital does this I’m afraid.
Rosie, the french tests are paid by the student, one of my friends took the test three times paid out of her own pocket. That my friend is a fact.
Stella “Rosie, the french tests are paid by the student, one of my friends took the test three times paid out of her own pocket. That my friend is a fact”.
OH yes Stella your friend wanted to work for the French School Board as a French Teacher right?
The person I heard of recently, paid out of her own pocket, BUT SHE IS BEING REIMBURSED BY HER EMPLOYER (TAX PAYER).
So Richard, Stella and Pierre what you think of this?
Richard said:
“Thank god we do live in Canada where minority languages are protected and preserved.”
What minorities other then the French language are legislated and receive 2.4 billion to promote/push that minority language.
Still waiting for Pierre ,Stella and Richard to answer this Question:
“Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened???????”
Rosie
April 11, 2013 at 5:18 am
@ Highlander, more than the Cornwall Community Hospital does this I’m afraid.
Yes thanks for reminding me and the viewers of this.
Why not provide a bilingual test of equal difficulties ?
I had not realized that ALL hospital management were linguistics experts as they do the testing of English proficiency as this was stated by Madam Periard.
Yet for French proficiency they are professionally tested at new avenues in Ottawa ….ahhh can you say double standard.
Ricard tremblay “Serious transgressions from Ministers Baird and MInister fontino” really?
Handing out cheaper one language business cards to English only speakers is serious? I think it is respectful of taxpayers. Not wanting to receive correspondence in a language you do not know is serious? It kind of makes sense to me.
So, if someone is for a French only university, does that make them anti bilingual? Anti Canadian under the new federal push for duality?
“Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened???????”
Highlander,
With kindest regards, I fear you will not receive an adequate nor fair explanation from those whom you ask the above question of.
If given the choice of using the money for official bilingualism or saving Canada’s indigenous languages; these ethnocentrists will always say save it for bilingualism. There is absolutely no logical reasoning behind this statement I might add. Why not use these billions for saving Canada’s indigenous languages rather than extending the power and influence of one minority language; a language I might add that is in no danger of disappearing? I am of course refering to French in Canada. And if not that, then at least re-allocate this funding to something more useful such as our crumbling infrastructure, health care, welfare or some other program where all Canadians will benefit and not just one ethnicity. I myself haven’t benefitted in a single way knowing French so far in my almost 34 years – other than to say that it makes it convenient for my wife when I talk with HER 55% of the time in HER mother tongue…..
In other words, this entire scenario runs the gamut of providing convenience for one and only one of Canada’s minority ethnicity’s. A non-Francophone in Canada knowing some French or even if they’re deemed bilingual has come to mean being able to serve fast food to Francophones in their mother tongue.
Being pure-laine is the only way in which to garner a full-time, bilingual-designated job nowadays in this country.
Rosie……FYI all students are reimbursed for school expenses…….through what you say is the tax payer
My friend WAS and STILL is a teacher in the french school board. All had to take the test……(paid out of their own pocket) even if they were already teaching. Like any other student, French/english all are allowed to claim expenses on their tax return.
No favors for the french……for goodness sake.
@
C cameron
You’re so full of balony.
If you don’t believe me just ask Michel Applebaum, the current anglophone mayor of Montréal, the largest city of Québec, and the second largest Francophone city, in the world…
By the way this request would answer most of your clan’s questions, would it not?
But, it would not faze you(s) one iota’ would it?
The tree blocking the view of the forest syndrome.
Pierre April 11, 2013 at 9:54 am
Michel Applebaum, ah the token Anglophone .
We are all still waiting for your answers to this Question:
Pierre the separatist,Richard the frequently wrong and Stella the Queen of propaganda,
“Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened?????
@Richard tremblay RE:April 10, 2013 at 7:24 pm
oh, and by the way, thank you john baird for neglecting the french minority and printing english only ministry cards. It looks like your colleague mister fontino did the same thing.
They learned this behavior from Pauline Marois who has all her cards in FRENCH ONLY because her and her clan don’t give a damn about ANY minorities in Quebec.
Like Rene said after he rammed that repressive bill 101 through the legislature,
(you know, the video clip which you “claim” you didn’t watch)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVaN0-vfGKU
Your buddy Rene’s own words…
“A nation,” he once said, “is judged by how it treats it’s minorities. But this, must now be forgotten.”
Yup, they forgot it alright. And my poor fellow Canadians who are trying to stick it out there in Quebec are suffering each and every day. Someone are coming close to losing their children, others are just getting egged while yet others get yelled at on the street corners.
Of course, because of the warped sense of bigotry and what you call “open mindedness”
– yeah right — treating the minorities badly is not quite as illegal over dare in Quebecistan …
@Richard tremblay
RE: April 10, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Richard wrote, “with protectionist laws the french language can prosper.”
Shameful how you brazenly admit that YOUR language and culture MUST suck 7 out of every 10 dollars (if not more) from innocent Canadians who MUST foot the bill so that your language and culture can prosper.
What’s worse is that you admit that it would die without that. Sad little language and culture you’e got there Tremblay. Too bad it cannot survive on its own merit (and cash).
But, at least you can take solace in the fact that you can gleam praise from the likes of Stella_not_so_bright. Not — that’s — an achievement..
But, remember… Have a nice day anyways eh 🙂
No éric, I’m all for Carleton university, doesn’t mean I’m anti-anglo. I attended Carleton university for 2 years. You said¨ Not wanting to receive correspondence in a language you do not know is serious? It kind of makes sense to me.¨ Then you shouldn’t be a minister if your going to neglect a sizable part of this country. The government shouldn’t always go by what is cheaper, they should go by what’s right. Surprising coming from a former minister of francophone affairs.
Kilroy, I have been to just about every part of Québec, and they treat their minorities fine. I’m not a Quebecer, I was born in Cornwall Ontario and I’m french speaking. Am I a fan of rené Lévesque, Yes. Am I a séparatiste, nope. I actually don’t go by word of mouth when it comes from Québec. I have seen signs, talk to alot of anglos in Québec. YOu can easily live in West Island of Montreal being unilingual anglo and it wouldnt be a problem. TO make up numbers like you did,
¨Shameful how you brazenly admit that YOUR language and culture MUST suck 7 out of every 10 dollars (if not more) from innocent Canadians who MUST foot the bill so that your language and culture can prosper.¨ Made up number ? Like I have said many times kilroy, 1% of the national budget for 20 % of the population, what is wrong with that.
{MODERATED}
If you REALLY were to believe in minority rights why not anglophones rights not to be oppressed by bill 101 and 14 ?
So agreeing to bill 101 and 14 you agree with oppressing minorities,be it Italian ,English or any other culture other then French .
Welcome to Quebecistan where the state controls your speech and freedom of expression,and through bill 14 has a right to search and seizure without a warrant ,welcome fascism.
Do you not believe in minority rights?
Or must it only be for the french minority rights?
Why do you keep avoiding this question?
“Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened?????
Highlander I can’t speak for Richard, Pierre, or Stella, but English and French take priority over other languages in Canada.
Richard the {MODERATED} said:
Then you shouldn’t be a minister if your going to neglect a sizable part of this country. The government shouldn’t always go by what is cheaper, they should go by what’s right.
What of a government with 20% anglophone/allophone who clearly neglects a sizable part of their province?
And yes a government should go by whats right -like oppressing their minorities right Richard the Lyingheart?
Oh can you answer the question please:
“Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened?????
admin
April 11, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Yes they are the official languages but bill 101 and 14 is discriminate on all languages other then French.
As for the “PROTECTION” of a language PERCEIVED to be endangered when it clearly is not and that being the intention why not protect those TRULY ENDANGERED native languages?
Does not those TRULY ENDANGERED native languages warrant PROTECTION?
@Richard tremblay
RE: POST on April 11, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Richard wrote, “Am I a séparatiste, nope.”
Why would you and your ilk be separatists Richard. I totally can see why YOU ARE NOT.
You are like the blond bimbo’s with the sugar daddy. Even though you “cliam” your sugar daddy (Canada) treats you like shit, you stay and do as you please because you know where the “candy/money” comes from.
Richard wrote, “Like I have said many times kilroy, 1% of the national budget for 20 % of the population, what is wrong with that.”
Like I HAVE SAID a thousand times too Richard. 1 penny is too much for something that ends up hurting me in the end.
Why don’t you save your own language and culture instead of doing it on the backs of the ROC.. .
Stellla : Having to take a French test when you are Francophone has nothing to do with expense claims on tax returns.
Give me something better than that Stella. Should someone who is Francophone be forced to take a French test to prove that she is a Francophone? Simple questions, requires simple answers. Yes or No. $250.00 times how many? Hospitals are always fundraising. And good people are donating what they can Stella. What a misuse of funds.. By the way Stella this was brought to my attention from a Francophone who thinks it’s ridiculous.
Tremblaywrote, “Kilroy, I have been to just about every part of Québec, and they treat their minorities fine.”
Yeah, i know. Isn’t it great… It’s down from 4 times a day now to about once a week (give or take) where some French dude or dudeette (they all seem the same with that chip on their shoulders) is screaming at someone for speaking English in the oh so holy land of Quebecestan.
Imagine dat. Speaking hinglish dare. My gosh…
I am pretty sure it’s also been at least a week since a metro worker has punched a customer (a customer in her own freakin country) because she made the grave error of speaking ————– -DEEP BREATH —
wait for it…
— Moudit ANGLAIS….
Oh my. I just don’t know how the French can stand all that English around their pristine little ville over dare. Hall dezzz hinglish hall walking haround and taking hup da space of hus. Why don’t day hall just leave and leave hus halone tabernac.
I tink we should give them 2 percent of da budget from now on. Don’t you agree ? I mean, how on earth are they going to get rid of all doze pesky people that are meekly asking (not demanding but meekly asking for their rights as Canadian citizens?
Or, in the infamous words of one of the oh so famous (or now, infamous) “top henchmen” Pierre Curzi. be sure to listen to the unbiased news person who say’s and i quote, “Pierre Curzi has proposed an overhaul of bill 101. And the new charter of the bill is partly aimed at — cracking down on English — in Montreal.
PC say’s “and if we don’t do nothing then, we will be in a bilingual Montreal and i don’t think that is it is a good thing for nobody in Quebec.”
NICE…
So yes, Tremblay. We have to increase la buget. Get da troops and put dem hinglish in dare place. tout de suit.
Oh and have bonne journais eh 🙂
ADMIN — forgot the link in first msg… sorry for extra work .. thanks.. .:-)
edudyorlik April 11, 2013 at 6:43 pm
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Tremblaywrote, “Kilroy, I have been to just about every part of Québec, and they treat their minorities fine.”
Yeah, i know. Isn’t it great… It’s down from 4 times a day now to about once a week (give or take) where some French dude or dudeette (they all seem the same with that chip on their shoulders) is screaming at someone for speaking English in the oh so holy land of Quebecestan.
Imagine dat. Speaking hinglish dare. My gosh…
I am pretty sure it’s also been at least a week since a metro worker has punched a customer (a customer in her own freakin country) because she made the grave error of speaking ————– -DEEP BREATH —
wait for it…
— Moudit ANGLAIS….
Oh my. I just don’t know how the French can stand all that English around their pristine little ville over dare. Hall dezzz hinglish hall walking haround and taking hup da space of hus. Why don’t day hall just leave and leave hus halone tabernac.
I tink we should give them 2 percent of da budget from now on. Don’t you agree ? I mean, how on earth are they going to get rid of all doze pesky people that are meekly asking (not demanding but meekly asking for their rights as Canadian citizens?
Or, in the infamous words of one of the oh so famous (or now, infamous) “top henchmen” Pierre Curzi. be sure to listen to the unbiased news person who say’s and i quote, “Pierre Curzi has proposed an overhaul of bill 101. And the new charter of the bill is partly aimed at — cracking down on English — in Montreal.
PC say’s “and if we don’t do nothing then, we will be in a bilingual Montreal and i don’t think that is it is a good thing for nobody in Quebec.”
NICE…
So yes, Tremblay. We have to increase la buget. Get da troops and put dem hinglish in dare place. tout de suit.
Oh and have bonne journais eh 🙂 edudyorlik April 11, 2013 at 6:43 pm
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Tremblaywrote, “Kilroy, I have been to just about every part of Québec, and they treat their minorities fine.”
Yeah, i know. Isn’t it great… It’s down from 4 times a day now to about once a week (give or take) where some French dude or dudeette (they all seem the same with that chip on their shoulders) is screaming at someone for speaking English in the oh so holy land of Quebecestan.
Imagine dat. Speaking hinglish dare. My gosh…
I am pretty sure it’s also been at least a week since a metro worker has punched a customer (a customer in her own freakin country) because she made the grave error of speaking ————– -DEEP BREATH —
wait for it…
— Moudit ANGLAIS….
Oh my. I just don’t know how the French can stand all that English around their pristine little ville over dare. Hall dezzz hinglish hall walking haround and taking hup da space of hus. Why don’t day hall just leave and leave hus halone tabernac.
I tink we should give them 2 percent of da budget from now on. Don’t you agree ? I mean, how on earth are they going to get rid of all doze pesky people that are meekly asking (not demanding but meekly asking for their rights as Canadian citizens?
Or, in the infamous words of one of the oh so famous (or now, infamous) “top henchmen” Pierre Curzi. be sure to listen to the unbiased news person who say’s and i quote, “Pierre Curzi has proposed an overhaul of bill 101. And the new charter of the bill is partly aimed at — cracking down on English — in Montreal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZBlynkVDDQ&hd=1
PC say’s “and if we don’t do nothing then, we will be in a bilingual Montreal and i don’t think that is it is a good thing for nobody in Quebec.”
NICE…
So yes, Tremblay. We have to increase la buget. Get da troops and put dem hinglish in dare place. tout de suit.
Oh and have bonne journais eh 🙂
Thanks there Jamie…..that is true and appreciated.
Now folks…..highlander is repeating his question ad nauseum when it was answered 500 times before. That’s what happens when he disagrees or doesn’t like the answer.
the piper wrote: So agreeing to bill 101 and 14 you agree with oppressing minorities,be it Italian ,English or any other culture other then French
See folks…..again, he assumes our thoughts and turns them around to suit his radical agenda, trying to make people believe that we hate anything and anybody that is not french.
It’s refreshing to know that many people know how howard works and how he plays the game. It was proven in the past…..nope he doesn’t fool anyone but a few followers…….**smile**
Rosie….you are right, at least I admit to my mistakes. I erred……PLEASE FORGIVE ME!!!!
From reading Kilroys comment I know why you get replies like that. Don’t know why he’s trying to write as though to make fun of someone with an english accent, at least the person would be making an effort. This might be why kilroy doesn’t get along with Quebecers, they make an effort to talk to him in english, what does he do, ¨ We have to increase la buget. Get da troops and put dem hinglish in dare place. tout de suit.¨ NO WONDER quebecers call you maudit anglais, if you’re going to make fun of their accent, you’re acting like a brat. Bilingualism only hurts you cause you let it. Stop being a tête dure, learn a few french words, and for god sakes be nice. Its all in how you come up to a person.
Étiqueté le Québec négativement à cause de quelques
commentaires dérogatoires est ridicule. C’est comme dire tous les Musulmans sont des terroristes. RIDICULE.
@admin
Apr 11, 4:31 pm
There may be hope for you after all.
but, why say that you can’t spreak for Stella and Richard and me when it’s what we’ve been saying it all along… English and French take precedence over all other languages in Canada.
WHY?
Because they are the only two official languages of our country.
Keep it up Jamie and you may be named honorary member of the “good guys”… The “Good Canadians Guys” team.
Hey Tremblay, i am going to do something that is VERY foreign to you. I will admit that you are right. How’s that? You’re right. I shouldn’t have used the French slang talk that way.
The intent was NOT to put anyone down it was more to make it a fun tongue in cheek kinda thing but, your right. I shouldn’t have used it that way. (i can just imagine Stella having an ‘O’ with this one 🙂 Calm down there Albright 😉
Now…
Let me take a chance here with MAYBE YOU possibly being able to admit things too.
Answer me these questions.
Do you think it’s right that SO MANY people in Quebec are being beaten up, yelled at, punched, have eggs (and tomato sandwiches) thrown at them and so on and so on? i mean, these things ARE NOT made up. They are actual news stories from reputable news agencies and these people are real people with feeling and after all, THEY ARE (if you think about it) in their own anglophone dominated country
IE: that lady with her child who were Egged because they were English. How do you feel about that? Doesn’t that kind of thing bother you? Do you understand how it makes the French people seem like they are bigots and VERY intolerant?
AND PLEASE DO NOT try to say this happens the other way around because we both know that i can produce 55 news videos or news stories showing this kind of stuff for ever 1 (if that) that you could.
It just doesn’t happen as much the other way round and i hope your man(?) enough to at least be honest enough and admit that.
Further more, do you have any inkling of understanding about the fact that the actions and laws (like 101 and 14) which the Quebec government passed in Quebec have a direct correlation and effect upon the regular people and how this can help to produce the kind of intolerant and demeaning behavior towards minorities that we see on a more or less regular basis in that province?
Can you use your so called, “open mind” to see how these two things are connected? It’s sort of like how when you see a racist father you often see the kids grow up to be racist as well.
You know, that kind of thing.
Only, when it is the government that condones treating people in these demeaning ways then IT IS MUCH MORE powerful and influential. SAD…
You’re right. in another way too Tremblay. It is too bad that the English and the French cannot seem to get along. But, i can tell you one thing. The last 30 years or so has been filled with the English doing the — giving — and the French doing the — taking — and ya know what? It’s still not enough to make them happy. (did anyone hear Lowell Green on Tuesday?)
I think it is TIME. these two cultures are INDEED different.
Being 50% French and 50 % English myself, i can feel it. I FEEL it deep inside of me. That difference IS THERE.
We are just too different to try to make it work together.
We DON:T have to hate each other. We just have to accept that the difference is there and because of this difference it would probably be best if we separated and became two.
That way we can probably grow to appreciate each other MUCH more after a little time has passed.
We (the majority English — my 50% English side) are no longer willing to accept being bullied and pushed around by the minority. After all, that is not a — natural state — and NOT something that shall continue. Water DOES NOT flow up the spout.
The tide is turning in this country so, the best outcome, as far as i can see, is if Quebec takes the province of Quebec and the ROC moves on as an English country. Like the French used to say, this marriage is NOT WORKING. We must divorce.
We have tried accommodating and it never seems to be enough. And, in their effort to save the French language and culture we see the French NOT accommodating AT ALL. AND THIS — inequity — and un-fairness causes MUCH anxiety and some anger as well. I am quite sure that you, with your super open mind can see this also.
I further propose that the government pay a bursary (buying their house and so on) to the people who wish to move in either direction (out of Canada and into Quebec or out of Quebec and into Canada) so they are not negatively affected. Well, at least not financially that is.
Whaddya say, let’s shake hands and make this happen so we can all be happy and free? Sound good?
stellabystarlight April 11, 2013 at 7:08 pm
the piper wrote: So agreeing to bill 101 and 14 you agree with oppressing minorities,be it Italian ,English or any other culture other then French
See folks…..again, he assumes our thoughts and turns them around to suit his radical agenda, trying to make people believe that we hate anything and anybody that is not french.
But you all have agreed with bill 101 and believe bill 14 is needed both of which oppresses other languages.
Since when is it right to oppress others rights in the protection of a language?
Should regulation 17 be reimplemented in Ontario?
No it was unjust !But it pales in comparison to bill 101 and 14.
Re : Richard tremblay @ April 11, 2013 at 4:15 pm
I doubt Fantino is neglecting anyone. He reads English and I believe Italian, sending him something in French will not get read anyway. Now, he has staff and the government certainly has translators so no one is being neglected.
@Rosie
I got a phone call and had to cut my last post short. Allow me to set it straight.
I don’t recall saying that the french test could be claimed on one’s income tax……nope never said that.
What I wrote was: Like any other student, French/english all are allowed to claim expenses on their tax return.
I don’t know where you got that my post included the french test. There are no cost involved for the french test such as books etc etc., therefore there is nothing to claim…..ca vas? The cost for taking the french test comes out of the student’s own pocket. If I am not mistaken, if a student has taken advanced french or went to a french university, they are not required to take the french test. I will check that out……
Stella my question to you has nothing to do with students or income tax..you twisted that one.
My question was and still is, should a tax payer (me) pay for a Francophone to take a French test to prove that she/he speaks French? Yes or No.
@ Richard “Don’t know why he’s trying to write as though to make fun of someone with an english accent, at least the person would be making an effort”.
Exactly Richard, now you know how I feel as an English person who has learned French but denied the opportunity to work in French because my French is not perfect. I made the effort Richard.
Rosie, the tax payer is not paying for the test.
That is the answer to your question.
Now a question for you Miss Rosie: Why should I have to pay school taxes when I have no children going to school?
Should we start up a group, picket and protest?
Stella, if the employee in question will be hired by the Health Care sector in Ontario, then just who pays for the test..?
Stella, if the employee in question will be hired by the Health Care sector in Ontario, then just who pays for the test..?
Taxes are collected to help provide services. You may not have children but there are other people paying taxes for things that they don’t have through which you benefit. So it all works out the same overall.
However Stella, I do feel you frustration.
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Rosie to be honest with, I can’t answer your first question because I don’t know the answer. I would imagine it would be like the school system where the teacher pays.
Rosie wrote: You may not have children but there are other people paying taxes for things that they don’t have through which you benefit. So it all works out the same overall.
Happy to hear you say “it all works out to the same overall” exactly our point. We’ve been saying that for two years now. We pay taxes but we don’t reap all the benefits.
Not you in particular……but the clan keeps repeating ad nauseum about our tax dollars going to the french, but the bottom line is a big chunk of our money goes towards many things we don’t agree with. What is ridiculous is the clan thinks they have the power to dictate and control……..only in their dreams.
Have a wonderful week and keep smiling…….life is great!! **smile**
stellabystarlight
April 14, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Stella when CCH sends their employee’s to be tested at new avenues it is the hospital and therefore the taxpayers that foot the bill .
So therefore you are wrong again -get used to it ….being wrong.
stellabystarlight
April 14, 2013 at 8:45 pm
“What is ridiculous is the clan thinks they have the power to dictate and control……..only in their dreams.”
The so called “clan ” is a group of people that want’s A measurable ,fair and equitable approach to bilingualism -representation by population .
“Power to dictate and control “- like I have said before Grebels could have made good use of you on the German propaganda machine.
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Have a good day eh!
Rosie wrote: However Stella, I do feel you frustration
Are you kidding me?
Let me say this: Frustated….nope, not one iota. The language issue does not keep me awake at night thats for sure. **smile**
The silly videos, fabricated and exagerated stories, put downs and their hatred towards the french is something to be concerned about. That type of left wing radical activism can disrupt an entire nation. The most disgusting thing is how this group want to divide this country.
If the {MODERATED} would do what they have to do and leave the peace loving people of this country alone, Canada would remain the envy of the world. Nope they don’t want that, they want to rule, divide and conquer……..as simple as that.
Rosie….no frustration here, I, like many other peace loving Canadians dislike troublemakers.