Does Democracy Begin at Home? or My Battle to be Heard at City Council Part 9 by Jamie Gilcig

Does Democracy Begin at Home? or My Battle to be Heard at City Council Part 9  by Jamie Gilcig

churchill democracyCFN – Democracy is a term that gets bandied around frequently. It’s big in the news right now.  Turkey, Egypty, the US.

It’s talked about in Canada too.

After all, what really is a Democracy?  What does it mean to you?  What is so special about Democracy that so many have died fighting for it.

During WWII it was pretty much clear.   You had Nazi style Fascism on one side and Jo Stalin’s brand of Communism on the other.

Most of the world said blech to both of those and the forces of Democracy fought and succeeded.

Democracy has spread all over the world since; but it seems to be embraced least in the countries that did their best to spread it.

  • Argentina , Australia, Brazil, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ecuador, Luxembourg, Nauru, Peru, Singapore,  and Uruguay all have compulsory voting.  IE all adults must vote.

Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens participate equally—either directly or through elected representatives—in the proposal, development, and creation of laws. It encompasses social, economic and cultural conditions that enable the free and equal practice of political self-determination.

Of course there are people that will say that how can people vote properly or clearly if they don’t know the issues.  Having worked in media now for nearly five years I’m stunned at what little I’ve seen.   How many stories have been whitewashed by media for government or corporate interests?

Independent media if successful is either bought out by one of the chains or stomped to death.

I get chastised by some armchair anarchists as I call them for not covering larger more National and International stories because I do feel that Democracy begins at home.   How many Federal or Provincial leaders here in Canada started at City Council like the late Jack Layton for example?

In today’s world it all comes down to accountability and transparency.   They simply don’t really exist any longer.   It’s scary.    Look at the punitive damage inflicted on Whistleblowers from the largest platform like the recent Edward Snowden NSA case to our own Deputy Fire Chief Whistleblowing at City Hall.   Two completely different circumstances but equally punitive and at the end of the day anything that brings the truth to light cannot be a bad thing.

Are we humans made of sugar that the truth would melt us down?    How can we vote or even have an opinion on anything if we don’t know the truth?

When I started CFN I had no desire to be a media martyr.   I had no agenda other than trying to help my community and build an alternative.   The fact that a near one man independent could draw more than four times the traffic as a National shows that there was a need; but at what price?

Our own battle is ongoing.   We have demanded to speak before our city council after they slurred our company with patently false statements knowingly put into a city policy that essentially was a punitive and petty action taken on in many people’s opinions on behalf of some of the corporate larger media.    LINK

The city refused in spite of 134 signatures

Here is our city’s bylaw.

13.3.2        Presentations – time limit
Council shall hear any presentation for information purposes only, and presentations shall be limited to a maximum of ten (10) minutes.

Here is the language where the city can refuse;

13.8        Delegation – deemed – inappropriate for Council
When it is deemed inappropriate that a delegation address Council, the Clerk shall so notify the delegation and Council with a supporting explanation.  Such written explanation shall be delivered with the Agenda and the Council, if it so wishes to hear the delegation, shall, by two-thirds vote of the Council Members in attendance, introduce a motion to suspend the rules to allow the delegation to be heard.

The funny thing is that no clear note has been given as to why the request was rejected again.

Here is City Clerk, Helen Finn’s rejection letter unedited;

Hi Jamie, 

As discussed with Norm and explained last time, your presentation does not fit the criteria from an administrative perspective. However, you have 2 options: 

You can gather signatures for a petition, submit the petition to me to present to Council, and Council will decide; 

The other option is to ask Council to suspend the rules within the procedural by-law and allow you to be heard.  This requires the support of 2/3 of Council. 

In your request, below, you state that there is nothing inappropriate about your rebuttal.  The issue is that a rebuttal does not qualify as a reason to present. I have copied and pasted your request and my previous response, with the sections of the procedural by-law below: 

(There is nothing inappropriate about CFN wishing to rebut the slur in your report. We are not asking for any remedy or apology. We simply want to rebut the information in the same forum that it was released by council. 

There are over 60 signatures on our online petition now as well. 

http://cornwallfreenews.com/2013/06/will-you-sign-our-petition-to-have-cfn-rebut-city-slur-against-us-at-council-petition/ 

Jamie) 

MY previous response: 

You requested the opportunity to appear before Council to rebut a sentence in a report. 

The City’s procedural by-law determines what is eligible for a presentation (ceremonial) or a delegation.  Unfortunately, a rebuttal does not fall within those categories. 

Thus, I regret to inform you that your request to make a presentation before Council is denied. 

13.3        Presentation defined 
A request made for a presentation may be made by the Council to an individual, group or organization or to the Council by individuals, groups or organizations for matters that fall under the Council’s mandate.  Should the request for presentation be made where it requires that action be taken by the Council, the request shall be made under Delegations.

13.3.1        Presentations – ceremonial or financial statements 
Presentations of a ceremonial nature or the annual presentation of Consolidated Financial Statements by the municipal Auditor shall be heard at the beginning of a Council meeting, immediately following the adoption of minutes.

13.3.2        Presentations – time limit 
Council shall hear any presentation for information purposes only, and presentations shall be limited to a maximum of ten (10) minutes. 

(a)        Exceptions of the ten (10) minute time frame are provided to the City’s Auditor upon its annual presentation of The Corporation’s Financial Statement. 

(b)        Spokesperson – presentation and/or delegation 
        An organized body wishing to address Council as a presentation and/or delegation, regardless of the number of spokespersons shall be limited to a maximum of ten (10) minutes.        

13.3.3        Restrictions and permission 
Presentations and/or Delegations shall not be permitted to appear before council for the sole purpose of generating publicity for an event, or to promote their business.

13.8        Delegation – deemed – inappropriate for Council 
When it is deemed inappropriate that a delegation address Council, the Clerk shall so notify the delegation and Council with a supporting explanation.  Such written explanation shall be delivered with the Agenda and the Council, if it so wishes to hear the delegation, shall, by two-thirds vote of the Council Members in attendance, introduce a motion to suspend the rules to allow the delegation to be heard. 

Regards, 

Helen Finn, LLB in Quebec, 
City Clerk / Greffière
Clerk’s Department / Département du Greffe
The Corporation of the City of Cornwall
360, rue Pitt Street, Cornwall, ON, K6J 3P9
(613) 930-2787 ext 2537 Phone
(613) 932-8145 Fax
 

hfinn@cornwall.ca

I know in the big world picture this is but a tiny speck of an example. but Democracy starts at home and this is, my home.

We all need to practice our Democracy more because when we don’t our rights get trampled.  Lives are lost and sometimes we don’t even realize what’s actually happened until it’s far too late.

Holding a politician or corporate thug responsible, even in the manner they occasionally do in China simply cannot fix that damage caused.

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47 Responses to "Does Democracy Begin at Home? or My Battle to be Heard at City Council Part 9 by Jamie Gilcig"

  1. Darcy Neal Donnelly   July 8, 2013 at 10:14 AM

    When more people start realizing that govwrnments in general from the local council to the United Nations are a problem, democratic mob rule takes over. Those middle eastern spring revolutions are a leading indicator of things to come right here in our home town, province and nation. The future is undetermined.

  2. stellabystarlight   July 8, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    Darcy as long as people continue to live in an entitlement frame of mind and want to rule, things will only get worse.

    Just look at the Middle East. The push for power, entitlements and hatred leads to war.

    In a democratic country, like Canada for example, we elect our representatives. Good, bad or indifferent we have to live with the choices we make, that is until we decide we had enough, at which time we vote them out.

    Democracy is having the choice and freedom to do just that. By trying to alter the meaning of democracy and trying to change the rules as we go along can be disastrous for any country. It only takes one small group of troublemakers, who will never be happy no matter what to do just that.

    We are a peaceful nation, voted #1 by 27,000 people from the G8 summit, something we should be proud of.

  3. Reg Coffey   July 8, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    Being elected means you are supposed to represent the will of the people. It doesn’t mean you can do whatever the hell you want until the next election. A lot of harm can be done in 4 years and there has to be a venue where politicians can be held to task for their mean spirited wrong doings and personal agendas.

    That is the role of the media. If the media is suppressed then there is no accountability and it creates an unchecked environment of self-entitlement and personal gain, either financially or of power and influence.

  4. cosmo   July 8, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    bafflegab is a powerful gun.

    13.3.2 alone should grant you the right to your 10 min.

  5. admin   July 8, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    Actually Reg in many places, especially in the US of America they have recall language for politicians that run amok…

  6. John   July 8, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    “Comment sections are often packed with profanity, and vicious personal attacks.”

    That was the reasoning used by the city to justify their refusal to purchase ad space.

    They came to their conclusions using guidelines and general consensus and a democratic vote among themselves.

    How is this a bad thing?

  7. admin   July 8, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Well John perhaps it’s because our comment section isn’t “often” filled with profanity or vicious personal attacks. It’s not about where they advertise. It’s about stating information that the author of the report and his managers knew to not be true and then the former CAO’s good friend refusing to allow the truth to be presented in the same forum that the lie was slung. Simple as that.

  8. jules   July 8, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    The people “or should I say sheeple” of the far west are much too chicken to stand up for themselves like what the Middle Eastern countries and even Europe does to stand up to their politicians and say that they had enough. The sheeple of the far west of Canada and the US just take everything lying down and ask for more abuse from their governance.

    Look at Italy where their former PM is gone to prison for hiring underage prostitution. Look at Cornwall with all the sexual abuse and they all got away. That former PM of Italy is a mafia man and mighty highly placed and he is gone away for seven years.

    In Egypt and Syria and beyond the people will not accept their governments to walk on them or do anything that they don’t want them to do, etc. Those are a people whether we agree with them or not. Those are a people who are mighty awake.

    Jamie I knew very well that all the signatures that you can muster up will not change the minds of Bare Ass and company. Cornwall stayed well behind all other towns because of the clique that ran it and it will continue to be behind as long as the “sheeple” do not change their own ways. You are the first to expose the dirty antics besides Perry Dunlop and Bare Ass and his clique do not want their dirty laundry exposed. Whether it would be you or someone else that town will never change.

  9. Christopher Cameron   July 8, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Democracy as per Websters ;

    A form of government by the people through elected representatives ;a country governed by its people; political social or legal equality.

    Yes we have elected officials -do they listen to the population?
    The population governed by its people ,elitists yes, but the average person?

    This is the kicker: political,social or legal equality -sadly Canada does not have. Not all peoples are considered equal under the law.

    “Voting is easy and marginally useful ,but it is a poor substitute for democracy ,which requires direct citizen action by concerned citizens” ….Howard Zinn.

    Yes those small group of so called “troublemakers” are integral in promoting democracy and were in developing the most powerful democracy of all the United States of America .

    Democracy is not static, but continually requires nurturing with evolution of laws and principles representing the people and therein rights of those citizens.

  10. admin   July 8, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    Jules there’s a difference between an elected official and paid staff such as the clerk. They have to answer. The public has a right to make sure that our staff are doing their job correctly. Positions like the clerk of a city should not be partisan.

    They should not be like this;

    or this;

    That’s how lines get fuzzy….or worse, crossed.

  11. Ted Harmen   July 8, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    @Jules
    What’s the case of sexual abuse in Cornwall council? I’m not aware.

  12. edmac   July 8, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Wait, since when is it bad for politicians to meet with their potential voters?

  13. cosmo   July 8, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    Given your denial, all the clauses for regs should be written as one statement:

    For a citizen or group that wishes to make the maximum allowable 10-minute presentation to council (for information purposes only), approval is entirely at council’s discretion. If you or your group is denied access, there is no recourse for appeal.

    …and that is what the bafflegab really means. Doesn’t come close to the spirit of democracy.

  14. Stan Stalk   July 8, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    An enlightening article Jamie, you tell it like it is! Helen Finn may be an LLB in the Province of Quebec but in Cornwall she is a clerk. She follows orders (if she wants to get paid) and has to play partisan politics. Look at her corrupt masters.

  15. stellabystarlight   July 8, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    Reg wrote:

    Being elected means you are supposed to represent the will of the people. It doesn’t mean you can do whatever the hell you want until the next election.

    How does one measure the will of the people? No elected official can claim that he/she has adhered to the will of the people. IMPOSSIBLE TO DO. No official can be everything to everyone nor can they please the masses. Every citizen has different expectations and needs,

    Having said that, we as Canadians living in a democratic country, have the right to vote without backlash. Whether we like the elected official or not, it is the collective voice of the people that have spoken and counts.

    Trying to alter the democratic process is dangerous……..look at the Middle East.

  16. Wow!   July 8, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    She really likes to tout her law degree in Quebec. I am an ordained minister in California but not here. Big {MODERATED} deal. I don’t think there is an LLB in Quebec cause they take non-case law. But it’s worthless here unless she takes the Ontario bar and if she’s working as a clerk in Ontario she must have been one bad lawyer in Quebec. And by bad I mean incompetent. And by incompetent I mean she went to a CEGEP for Grade 13 and took a degree in Napoleonic (Civil) Law and she is a full blown {MODERATED}retardo.

  17. Walter Cronkite   July 8, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    Stella says “Just look at the Middle East. The push for power, entitlements and hatred leads to war.”
    “Trying to alter the democratic process is dangerous……..look at the Middle East”
    What mind blowing statements of NONSENSE
    Would that be the democratically elected George Bush starting a war that killed over 100,000 Iraqi’s and left the country a mess
    “Entitlements” that sounds like that fool Mutt Romney and his 47 percent comments that cost him the election.
    “Hatred” You claiming somebody was stealing from a store so you decided to be judge jury and executioner by printing this in a daily newspaper
    Jamie is right..these leaders be they local or federal should be subject to recall. First our Mayor for allowing his son to be hired while he was in power..then Stevie Harper as he continues to claim that his office wasn’t involved in a payoff to senator mike buffy which demanded his “silence” for money.
    Stella you continue to bury your head in the sand…as this town continues to slide into Third World status..empty downtown/ low paying jobs and a bunch of clowns at city hall worry about the comment sections of local papers while “Cornwall” BURNS

  18. Walter Cronkite   July 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    Public Editor of Toronto Star on comment section policy
    Commenters must register with thestar.com but they don’t have to provide their real names to join the conversation. While some news organizations have experimented with requiring the real names of commenters, I’m not aware of any news organization in North America that does so now.

  19. StellaTheFella   July 8, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    “have the right to vote without backlash.” says Stella
    Says eye: what the heck does this mean?????
    How does this square with Mayor Killjoy pushing a “PANIC BUTTON” against a fellow citizen

  20. StellaTheFella   July 8, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    What is so very sad is that Cornwall council seems to fear free speech…it would be so easy to allow Jamie to speak but the mayor seems to feel he is King and his subjects should STAY SILENT..OR ELSE

  21. jules   July 8, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    Jamie you are absolutely correct all the way in what you said. The clerk like that Gelinas Labelle is supposed to be neutral but there is so much dirty, underhanded garbage that goes around and Cornwall is full of it.

    I left Cornwall for good reasons and the first time was back in the 70’s when things were thriving compared to today. I saw the cliques in those days but today under Bare Ass Kilger it is a great deal worse. I saw that picture on Cornwall Corruption and yes it is corrupted to the hilt.

    Jamie there are things that I long for Cornwall and other things like this are mighty disgusting to see and the people are suffering under this system. Many will not admit to it and stay in a corner and expect that others will come along and get them out of their misery. The people do not know is that they have to learn to stand up for themselves and fight the dirty clique.

    I went to school with some very good people from very good backgrounds and the journalist in Toronto Robert Fisher is Carla’s brother and a mighty good family. Carl Fisher the father worked at CJSS and used to tell the news. I have known many good families in past years and many left and others died. Cornwall should be mighty proud of all the good people that once lived there. We see too many of the worst kind these days. Cornwall has a prize with you down there and should be mighty proud to have you and that comes from my heart and mind Jamie. You tell the truth to the people and it is up to them to do something about it.

  22. jules   July 8, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    Stella the Middle East is a great deal more dangerous than what you are hearing about. My husband reads his papers every day as well as we have programs that come from there and it is a great deal more frightening and dangerous than what you read about in our Canadian news. If the people here in Canada knew what is really going on they would be literally mighty sick.

    The only real civilized country in the Middle East is Israel. Yes they have their problems and their government is kind of nuts at times but they have to be to live near such crazies.

    I don’t know if you heard about what happened in Brazil about a man being decapitated because of some soccer match. My daughter is in shock and something happened in Lebanon as well in a soccer game – I think it was someone shot according to my husband. Say thank you to the Good Lord that you live in Canada.

    We do have to fight for our rights but not to go as extreme as they do – they are really nuts to the core. There are good things there as well but they go way too far.

  23. jules   July 8, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    Ted Harmen I didn’t say about sexual abuse in council but about what went on with the Catholic church, doctors, lawyers, social workers, etc. when Perry Dunlop was in town. So many were protected and got away with it when they were guilty. What I spoke about had nothing to do with council – not that I am aware of unless something went on that I missed.

  24. David Oldham   July 9, 2013 at 6:17 AM

    To be fair with STELLABYSTARLIGHT in her July 8, 2013 10:58 am she does fairly accurately describe the separatist movement in the nation of quebec. I do generally agree with others posting here that most of the rest was rudimentary or simply uniformed opinion. ONLY ONE THUMB UP.

  25. David Oldham   July 9, 2013 at 6:31 AM

    Democracy in its simplest meaning is the right to have a voice within a collective group.

    ADMIN I agree with you, use it or lose it.

    Oh, and thank you for this forum.

  26. stellabystarlight   July 9, 2013 at 7:59 AM

    Hey Walter, sh^t or get off the pot. What does hatred have to do with someone stealing? It is a fact!!!! Got that??

    And guess what? That same person worked in the and GOT FIRED FOR THE SAME THING….STEALING!!!! What don’t you understand? Hatred….NO Thief….YES. GOT THAT?

    Stella the fella. Do you watch the news? Let me explain: Here in Canada, whether Municipally, Federally or Provincially we have the freedom to vote for whoever meets the needs of the country first and our own needs also. The elected official is selected by majority vote got it so far? That being said, whether we like the choice of the majority or not, we live with it until the next election.

    In other countries, there is backlash and fighting in the streets. They are killing each other because they are not happy with the results? Egypt ring a bell?

    Question: Is that the type of scenario most people would want here??? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!

  27. stellabystarlight   July 9, 2013 at 8:01 AM

    Correction……that same person worked in the “mall” and got fired for the same thing……stealing

  28. David Oldham   July 9, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Stellabystarlight was right on one thing that being that at the municipal level we vote for a “whoever” however the rest of her information she must have made up as she went along. At the provincial and federal level we do not vote for “whoever” we instead vote for a political party candidate in a riding system. The individual parties elect their leader not the “majority vote”. A political party can win the popular vote but lose the election simply because we vote on a riding basis and not a leadership basis. Probably best not to tackle the middle east situation best left to the informed and educated. ONLY PART OF A KNUCKLE UP.

  29. stellabystarlight   July 9, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    Oldham, no matter how you try to twist and turn it, the one with the most votes wins in any election. Not hard to understand, it’s been like that since the beginning of time, just so you know **smile**

  30. David Oldham   July 9, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    Funny thing nothing was twisted or turned STELLABYSTARLIGHT, my statement was rather straightforward and directly to the point. The fact that you failed to comprehend is not surprising. What grade are you in ? When your best response is “…….since the beginning of time” one has to conclude that History and Political Science have not yet been part of your educational experience. Alas “Smile!” ONE THUMB HALF WAY UP for entertainment value only.

  31. stellabystarlight   July 10, 2013 at 7:28 AM

    David, you won’t indulge me in playing head games nor word games with you. I usually ignore that type. Besides, I guess it is safe to say you are not a man who keeps his word.

    While you are at it, try growing up **smile**

  32. David Oldham   July 10, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    I am trying but you really should take the target off your back I find it almost impossible to resist ! I promise to make a better effort in the future. Could it be infatuation ? “ROTFLMAO”.

  33. Highlander   July 10, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    stellabystarlight
    July 9, 2013 at 7:59 am

    “Hey Walter, sh^t or get off the pot. What does hatred have to do with someone stealing? It is a fact!!!! Got that??”

    I see Stella you have another Fan….LMAOFD

    David Oldham
    July 9, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    “Funny thing nothing was twisted or turned STELLABYSTARLIGHT, my statement was rather straightforward and directly to the point. The fact that you failed to comprehend is not surprising. What grade are you in ? ”

    Touché Davide

    “When your best response is “…….since the beginning of time” one has to conclude that History and Political Science have not yet been part of your educational experience.”

    David never ever accuse Stella of being well read ,Educational experience….. LMAOFD…. from her rantings over the last near two years …..that experience seems to be minimal.

    David yet another Stella fan …..Hey folks this is how you gain friends on here as well as the freeholder ******smile******

    stellabystarlight
    July 10, 2013 at 7:28 am

    “David, you won’t indulge me in playing head games nor word games with you. I usually ignore that type.”

    OMG I near pissed myself laughing at that one… Did you expect the viewers to swallow that ?Stella ,do you honestly think these viewers to be that stupid or are you habitual at misinforming?

    Hang on got to go to bathroom ……………………..ah there back …still LMAO
    **************smile*****************

  34. stellabystarlight   July 10, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Hey highlander, I truly and honestly don’t care what people think of me especially you of all people. I am quite content with my life and quite honestly, your warped opinions, are not highly regarded by the majority in this city. That was evident when you ran for elections. **smile**

  35. David Oldham   July 10, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    @HIGHLANDER

    I know the “indulge me……..” had me laughing so hard I know I had said that I would leave her alone but it was just to big a target I couldn’t resist after I got up off the floor.

    Anyways, HIGHLANDER, nice to know someone else out there “gets it”. Beats reality t.v. all to heck !

  36. Never Blink   July 10, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    Stella so when I state your really a man…that becomes fact???
    You keep going on about how somebody was fired for stealing..my point…its not your place to publish this info

    Or if you keep insisting your not a man…I will come up with court documents…to prove you are….NOT

    The whole point of going after you on THIS subject…is you continue to feel justified…in making this claim
    You listed the store this person worked at
    If david or anybody else here…started making claims like this about a member of your family…i would go after them.

    Sorry old guy/girl..you are NOT God…and hiding behind a made up name on the internet…doesn’t give you the right to “OUT” anybody…but you are too blinded by hatred and self righteous anger…to let that sink in…
    ps your not george zimmerman…judge jury…and alleged EXECUTIONER

  37. Never Blink   July 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    Stella i might add…putting a smile and the end of your triades..even one that made a family feel threatened…do nothing but point out your a bully
    “I am quite content with my life” says stella
    Yet she feels the need to come on here and make the lives of everybody else miserable.

    The person you accused of stealing probably went and got help…maybe they could give you the phone number of their mental health helper.

    Strange how many people keep coming after you…not supporting you…Your starting to post as many retractions(corrections) as little mac of seaway news…

  38. Walter Cronkite   July 10, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    stellabystarlight July 9, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    Oldham, no matter how you try to twist and turn it, the one with the most votes wins in any election.

    Yep just like our former puppet Harm _it Karzi of Afghanistan

    Where the Country USA/Canada tried to turn into a democracy continue to kill the brave troops we sent over there

    Now we have your service members committing suicide at a record rate.
    Your elected government seems intent on holding on to power and protecting their buddies like Mike Puffy…while clawing back benefits for our Troops.

  39. Walter Cronkite   July 10, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    stellabystarlight
    July 9, 2013 at 7:59 am

    “Hey Walter, sh^t or get off the pot. What does hatred have to do with someone stealing? It is a fact!!!! Got that??”

    NEWS FLASH URGENT

    Stellabyestarlight was “caught” stealing the typewriter used by Claude McIntosh to write his infamous insider story on Andre R getting stopped by police…..

    ITS A FACT….got that…..doopy smiley face

  40. stellabystarlight   July 10, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    First of all blink……No names were ever mentioned…..EVER!!!

    Further more, many people over the years worked there. How would you know who I am referring to? Assumptions just don’t cut it in the real world.

    Hmmm actually, I never ever brought up my gender, some tried but it was never discussed.

    Blink wrote: The whole point of going after you on THIS subject…is you continue to feel justified…in making this claim.

    Please, I BROUGHT THE SUBJECT UP ONCE, the proof is in the archives of the SF. You, under different monikers have been bringing this subject up for over a year now. It gets tiring.

    ACTUALLY THIS SAME PERSON STOLE FROM ME.

    How you can claim my comment was directed at a particular person. NAMES WERE NEVER MENTIONED.

    Are you not hiding behind a made up name?

  41. stellabystarlight   July 10, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    I was never one for popularity contests and I don’t come here to make friends, I have enough good friends as it is.

    Like many others, I come here to share opinions. Whether people agree or not, it’s their prerogative. It’s called Freedom of speech.

  42. Diddlyscwatt   July 10, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    All this cr/ap about democracy………..that we have never seen as real since ever there was an election. Now every a/ole wants to demand it.

    Take Egypt for one…forever a dictators-ship, so what do they do, once a government is actually elected, based on a constitution all sworn in to uphold?

    The brothers of one dominant cult wanted to change the rules and instead of honouring and maintaining a society recognizing

    `freedom for all`,
    began forcing their new president to change the constitution to their shameful law ONLY. Beat and cloak your wife`s and marry your little 9 year olds. Your best friends, right?

    No damn wonder there is a new revolution and now perhaps civil war. The world domination of one group over all others is wrong in a free society…..I know you would agree………thus…..EGYPT. Add to the long list of such countries in turmoil today…..and some want this in North America!

    As for our own situation, in all 3 primary levels we soon morph into an oligarchy mentality with our autocratic leaders…..my way or the highway edicts to all members under them.

    NO ONE has ever or will ever be all things to all people. To even expect that would be naïve on your part.

    No-one running for office should make ANY specific `to do` promises except to be truthful and honest. Further to that, hardworking for the betterment of the entire community, to the best of his/her ability.

    Prior history of said persons is all we need to know of their ability to follow through with these credentials. Of course, public speaking and a decent education would be an asset, as well of course would be English, with compatible french(no capital on the word french as it is that way in the language/culture). We must respect the languages!

  43. Diddlyscwatt   July 10, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    Were you aware that we are now second class citizens in our own country?

    Prime example is that our `Christian~ ministers in our military are REQUIRED to marry same sex couples, yet an Iman is given a pass.

    Check it out……..much more to this story than one would think,,,and many more similar examples…….no thanks to the dully elected Democrats in the Obama administration.

  44. Highlander   July 10, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    stellabystarlight
    July 10, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    “I was never one for popularity contests and I don’t come here to make friends, I have enough good friends as it is.”

    OMG ,you are entertaining how you flounder about like a fish outside of water and twist ,turn and contort information .

    I can see why you were not for popularity contests ..ummmm…PERSONALITY!
    No you do not come here to make friends but certainly made enough enemies.
    One can never have enough friends Stella,keep telling that lie to yourself enough times you may even believe it

    David Oldham
    July 10, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Yes David very entertaining to watch someone with so much hate becoming self destructive and utter so many stupid statements “floundering about”.

    I almost feel sorry for her (illness); she believes her own lies! She become so habitual at it that she has forgotten much of what she has written in the past and contradicts them in the future ;truly pathological …so the truth becomes more warped much like her PERSONALITY.

    Stella don’t hit the self destruct button …..SEEK HELP….*****smile*****

  45. Highlander   July 10, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    Diddlyscwatt
    July 10, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    So well said but I took particular interest in these statement;

    “NO ONE has ever or will ever be all things to all people. To even expect that would be naïve on your part.”

    “No-one running for office should make ANY specific `to do` promises except to be truthful and honest. Further to that, hardworking for the betterment of the entire community, to the best of his/her ability.”

    Yes no party will be all things !I would like to see politicians not promise to what they know they cannot accomplish .
    We cant keep going on promising more perks and benefits we can no longer afford,but the intent is to bribe people to vote for their particular party .

    Honesty is an nonviable word in politics ;Please don’t try to bribe our fellow voters ,how about tackling those tougher issues most politicians avoid then you would get my respect.
    Time to get off the fence and address issues ,change be it positive always has a price to pay by sometimes offending a few get over it be decisive .

  46. jules   July 11, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    Diddlyscwatt you are right in what you said all the way including what you said about we Christians are now classified at second class citizens. I see it all around me every day here in Ottawa and we Christians are becoming a minority. Soon the world will be Islamic or you would be hunted and killed for what you believe in and I can assure you that is the truth.

    The former Robbie’s Spaghetti house on Walkley Road here in Ottawa is not a mosque of all things. When I told that to my husband he was sickened. This happened not too long ago.

    People better wake up and know what is going on. Just today I read on yahoo.ca that David Sazzouki was complaining about our Canadian immigration and in a way he is right because the kind of people that are let in is a total disgrace. The kind of people that are being let in is going to bring down our society even further. You have no idea of the mentality of the people being let in compared to our own people and if you did you would not allow what is coming. Canada is no longer a Christian-Judeo country anymore at all but you might as well call it a hokus pocus type of a country that has no more faith in God or good morals.

    Just this morning including yesterday my husband was telling me about a case back in his country about a man who beat up his wife who was only 30 years old and they have 5 kids. The parents of the woman want the doctor to perform an autopsy so as to see the cause of death so as they can lock up the husband. A lot of these people do beat their wives and abuse them and many women are only young teenagers marrying these men and are discarded so as they can divorce and marry other women. If this Sharia Law was established here in Canada a man could have many wives (those who are Islamic that is) and women would be thrown out on the streets along with the children and then you would have a problem beyond comprehension and there would be extreme misery. People better know what is going on and not to let such a thing happen at all or else people will pay a consequence beyond belief.

  47. Diddlyscwatt   July 11, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    Jules, so much of what we see and hear about is so true.

    The difficulty is that they use stealth methodology to under mine our society.

    Gradually and subliminally their ideals circumvent ours.

    A prime example are taking advantage of the Catholic church by ‘pretending’ to share similarities then BAM, before you know it they have special prayer rooms, times and can wear their garb. Now if a Christian wanted to say the Lords Prayer or wear their necklaces or a catholic wanted to use their prayer beads, all hell would break loose from them and others of our so called ‘secular’ society would be against it……basically our own people……yet WE are the ones who have to, by law show OUR tolerances. What kind of suckers are we.

    At least they have not brought in the Sharia Law as our Constitution……but they keep trying.

    If they ever do succeed, two persons now in jail for ‘honour killings’ in Kingston would be released and forgiven by our own stupid people. One of those killed was told to have been a cousin, but really was a second wife. See. they find their ways to have multiple wives even in Canada. Bigotry is really what it is.

    We have been second class citizens for a few more years than we realize now, in their view as they receive our welfare and consider it payment because they have conquered us without a bullet being fired or a sword being used. It’s called a toll or tax on their subjects. So wrong isn’t it…….yet we the suckers allow it to keep the peace….free money.

    Their is so much more.

    Target is owned by them and the head office is in France where all their North American profits are to be filtered through……to help their world domination programs. When they set up a mosque they declare that town or city as theirs……did you know that?

    I best stop their before you really get me going. Take care.

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