Border Talks between Canada/U.S Leaders Sparks Controversy Raise Questions among Opposition by Markus Noé – February 6, 2011 – 10/13

Border Talks between Canada/U.S Leaders Sparks Controversy Raise Questions among Opposition by Markus Noé – February 6, 2011 – 10/13

Ottawa ON – It took a few days, but Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s meeting with President Barack Obama has caused major concern throughout the opposition parties. The issue of promoting more trade between Canada and the U.S took a back seat once again to the Americans ongoing insecurities about our border. Republicans have been putting major pressure on Obama about what they believe is a weak border system in Canada.
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The fear is that there are thousands of illegal immigrants and refugees in Canada that can easily slip into obscurity and then enter the U.S.  To settle their own fears, the department of Homeland Security has requested access to more information about Canadians.  They would like have the authority to access all Canadian migration files, which could make it impossible for 600,000 Canadians with minor drug offences to cross the border.
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The Liberals and the NDP are arguing that this is an invasion of Canadians rights and that the Conservatives wish to erase the border. Meanwhile the Conservatives, while maintaining a degree of secrecy about this meeting, are insisting they will not allow the U.S unlimited access to these files. The Conservatives have also declared that the Americans will not have a direct input in future refugee and immigration laws.
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Throughout history, Canada has been labeled as a bit soft by submitting to too many American “requests.”  It is understandable that the opposition  parties are concerned about Harper negotiating away Canadian sovereignty. His Conservative party is the one who negotiated the heavily criticized N.A.F.T.A agreement. One only needs to mention chapter 11 of the agreement to critics to start an immediate debate.
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Another concern for Canadians in these types of meetings is that it appears that the Americans don’t have any interest in our issues. This question is being asked once with reason. For anyone that watched the CNN coverage of this meeting, every time the Prime Minster spoke they went back to commentary. Which is frustrating as a major issue for Canadian borders is its overwhelming congestion. With many Canadians living in border towns and often travelling to the U.S for work or pleasure this congestion is a daily problem.
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It is difficult to believe that this concern of ours has been acknowledged. If these demands are met the congestion at the border will be even greater. The border guards will have more information to go through which will directly impact how fast these border lines move.
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Should the Prime Minister utilize this issue to stand up for Canadian sovereignty which is always in question in various ways? Or should he take the route often travelled by Canadian leaders, and accept the Americans requests, in attempt to appease our “special friend”?

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Jerry
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Harper wants Canada to be like the US and so he will accept whatever they offer. Get rid of Harper and do it soon. .

Eric
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Anyone fly over the states in the last year or 2, say to Mexico or Jamaica? Your airline already gave a bunch of infornation about you to them!

Had a driving drunk charge? You are already not allowed into the states.
We need to wait for details, but if the opposition parties are complaining, it must be the right thing to do!

luckyred
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What a joke.The good old US of A is concerned about the USA and Canadian border.I think they should worry about the USA and Mexico border.

Eric
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The US is concerened with the Mexican border, they put up something like 3000 KM of fencing and have that patroled constantly. Sensors on the fences are on 24 / 7. Not only federally, but they even have a border county coalition to address common issues. Concern from Canada on their part is justified. You step on our soil and you get almost all rights that we take for granted. Some refugees are processed and released, some have gone missing, I only hope that they truly wanted a better life, however, immigration and refugees are costing us big time with… Read more »
Roy Berger
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Admin. We’ve talked about this but he can’t back out now. Ok. This story by Llewellyn is all over the net. It’s 41 pages of evidence. It’s already been read by every intelligence agent in the world. The story has been out for three weeks but is not discussed in polite company in Canada. Everyone else at the global party is talking about it. It’s like everyone in the world is laughing at us but we can’t know the joke. I don’t take any pride in reposting it. Part of the back beat to this story is that Mr. Llewellyn… Read more »
Stan
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WOW SCARY!!!

Roy Berger
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…this will take a few posts ————————— It was also sent to the Federal Cabinet. You can tell you’re a pariah when a Minister glares at you when you meet him on the street. This happened to me several times. Think about the implications of one disgruntled individual’s impact on a national political party. You can read about some of them on the internet, but there has been significant discussion in the political backrooms and within CSIS as well. Since much of this activity predated the 1988 federal election, one must wonder how much of a role it played recruiting… Read more »
Roy Berger
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…cont ——————— To protect the MacLean letter and envelope, I put it and a file of other evidence I wanted to safeguard in the keeping of Dougald Brown, my ‘lawyer.’. When I returned to Brown’s office to retrieve it, Brown’s aging, blonde secretary withheld it. I protested, telling her that the reason I left it there was to protect that letter. She relented and returned only with the letter, sans envelope. I demanded the return of the envelope. She refused, claiming she didn’t have it. (I always keep my letters in the envelope in which it was sent.) How could… Read more »
Roy Berger
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more… ————– I now live in Ottawa south. In the evening they would stalk me in the Independent Grocers at Alta Vista and Bank or in the Billings Bridge shopping mall, using as many as a half-dozen people at first. Their tactics were to obstruct my progress, or they might follow me in the aisle only a few inches behind as if trying to mimic me. When I turned to confront them they would scuttle off in the other direction, particularly the women. In the beginning, they didn’t bother to use a handbasket or a shopping cart. Later, they carried… Read more »
Roy Berger
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more… ————– This is life under CSIS rule. And so, for roughly eight days in the spring of 2007, the behemoths standing in the centre of the sidewalks, arms folded, challenging me to pass… vanished. Chewed-over sunflower seeds were no longer spat at me in the Glebe. This brief hiatus, as I think back to it, was due to the realization by someone in CSIS that I was not a drug addict after all. How do I know this? Because, by April, any interest in my M-Eslon prescription ceased. It was replaced by aggressive flirtation by beautiful women. One woman,… Read more »
Roy Berger
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more… —- Allow me to pause to pass on a warning: never, never volunteer information to CSIS. No tips. No information to help Canada, regardless of your motives. Nothing. If you think you are on the same side, you’re not. CSIS thinks of itself as a secret brotherhood. You are not part of it. Even if you have been approached by Islamic jihadists to help them destroy Western civilization, don’t tell CSIS. They will conclude that you are responsible for it. Really. More importantly, CSIS will abandon you in an instant and feed you to the wolves when it suits… Read more »
Roy Berger
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the last part… —- I did some research on the internet about CSIS’ disrupt campaigns and their use of gangstalking. I stumbled onto two articles in Peterborough’s local weekly, This Week, describing an ordeal-by-gangstalkers suffered by a woman using the pseudonym ‘Anne.’ (May 19 2006; reporter: Lance Anderson, now a photographer; and Lois Tuffin, the editor-in-chief, under http://www.mykawartha.com , or see evidence #23a and b) ‘Anne’ was gangstalked in the same way as myself. The same young louts wearing black baseball caps. Small, beat-up cars with missing hubcaps. Same tactics, too. Now, I have the written evidence to prove I… Read more »
Reg
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Hey Spanner, can you give us the readers digest version!

Furtz
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A link or two would have worked.

Stan
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You shoulda make them an offer they cannot refuse!

Roy Berger
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Alright Reg. ————————- Canada – Gareth Llewellyn a long term Canadian Federal employee with impeccable credentials and the highest security clearences recently leaked a forty one page detailed disclosure revealing the activities of Canadian security and the Prime Minister. In the past 36 hours Mr. Llewellyn of Ottawa has returned both email and phone calls to say. “I don’t want to talk about this anymore. I’m going to clam up.” ———————- Furtz. I don’t think you need a link. I think you need a telephone book and a conversation with complete strangers. ——————————- Mafioso. The offer on the table is… Read more »
Jerry
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Spanner – If you can’t present your agument in 400 words or less,
I won’t read it and I haven’t. I don’t need your life history.

Grimalot
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Jerry, if you would have read a little bit of it, it wasn’t at all about Spanner. I did read much of it, and went and checked the gangstalking site as well. It’s an interesting concept and if it is actually used as such, we have to question a lot of the tactics of our government.

Roderick Russell
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A UK Journalist, who is an expert on intelligence matters, first told me about Mr. Llewellyn’s story last July since he knows that I have similar problems with CSIS. My own story is on this URL: http://zerzetsen.wikispaces.com Mr. Llewellyn’s allegation that CSIS persecutes innocent citizens with a process that it calls “D and D” (Diffuse and Disrupt) is nothing new. The former East German secret police “ the Stasi” who developed this process of “no touch” torture used to call it Zersetzung, and it is sometimes also called Zersetzen or Cointelpro. According to WikiLeaks, former CSIS Chief, Mr. Judd, calls… Read more »
Roy Berger
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Roderick Russell, I must say, Mr.Llewellyn, in his own words, stated that he filled out an application to join the CIA. What kind of Canadian does something like that? He’s hardly innocent. He’s blown the names of all kinds of people, spook people. Now he has problems – major surprise. Llewellyn is another high level, rogue employee. If Canada’s security agencies and executives wanted a full tilt, crazy, right wing Stasi like regime by shooting journalists and truth seekers we’d already be there. The fact that we’re not, tells you there’s plenty of good guys. The 41 page leak also… Read more »
Roderick Russell
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Spanner McNeil – Mr. Llewellyn’s disclosures are a matter of historical fact and it was very much in the public interest that you reprinted them. But, it’s not just myself and Mr. Llewellyn who are raising the topic. The Globe and Mails’s Colin Freeze wrote about CSIS’s illegal use of “D & D” back in 2006. Indeed there are several other such accusations about CSIS as one well-known Canadian journalist admitted to me a month ago. Here is a brief summary of former CSIS Director Judd’s own disclosures to State Department official Eliot Cohen on the subject: http://mostlywater.org/former_csis_chief_admits_torture_0 The facts… Read more »
Roy Berger
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I challenge all journalism students to tear apart this Llewellyn story in their search for ethics. Well, Mr. Russell we’re not standing on the same maple leaf surfboard. Hezbollah innocent? Man that’s hard to believe. I agree that I don’t think anyone involved is riding a white horse. Llewellyn’s undeniable story raises questions regarding journalistic ethics, fear, pay-cheques and punishment. If journalistic ethics means to remain silent on national issues then I am weak. I agree our press is far too leery, but about many things. The net and photocopiers are changing that. It’s not a sly morph that CSIS… Read more »
Roderick Russell
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No Mr. McNeill, CSIS are not supposed to be a secret police; they are supposed to be an intelligence gathering service and not one that persecutes innocent individuals. In a democracy passing sentence is for Courts and Juries. I hardly see how CSIS’s victims such as my wife and I can be described as Hezbollah. Our grandfathers, or fathers, stepped on the sands of Juno Beach just so that we would live in a free, and democratic society where rule of law flourishes and not in a society where innocent citizens can be terrorized by secret police thugs.

Furtz
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Tommy Douglas, that pinko commie who gave us universal public health care, had a huge RCMP file. Rita Mac Niel, the singer from Big Pond N.S. had a file because she sang some feminist songs in the early seventies.

Roy Berger
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Look over there, no look over here…it’s The Man From Uncle. Where is the man from Uncle now? Is he at the G-20? Is he behind your mirror? Is he in your Prime Minister’s Office? Where oh where is The Man From Uncle.? An early Christmas present. Guess what? Go to google, enter Harper CSIS and see what you get today. ha ha. Maybe the reason Harper knows so much about spying and how to spy and who to ask to spy and what are the methods of spying is because he is a … duck. giggle. Can we say… Read more »
almighty johnsons
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Good way of telling, and good piece of writing to take facts about my presentation subject, which i am going to present in institution of higher education.

jules
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(MODERATED) Jules please keep your comments brief and related to the topic.

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jules
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I laughed and laughed and laughed till I almost passed out and busted a gut laughing. This sounded like something out of the Three Stooges mixed with 007 and comedy. LOL LOL. ROLF! I only got less than half way and had such a terrible headache with all the laughter I had. I haven’t laughed that much in a long time. Whoever wrote this was quite the writer and Jamie complains about me writing so much – what I write is nothing compared to what the person wrote. I didn’t get to finish it since it was hilarious. I still… Read more »
jules
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Spanner McNeil when you enter the federal government you cannot disclose what goes on anywhere and you said a lot whether true or false. I had a fit of laughter and didn’t even get halfway down what you said and I have a terrible headache over it. You are lucky to be alive typing this stuff out. I know what CSIS is and the same thing is going on in the US and world wide. I think that you said too much as is. You held responsible jobs but now if you were to look for employment elsewhere your goose… Read more »
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