LTE-A Response to “When the Money Runs Out: a wake-up call about the state of Ontario’s economy”

LTE-A Response to “When the Money Runs Out: a wake-up call about the state of Ontario’s economy”
CLF's Beth Trudeau with Hudakafter his presentation
CLF’s Beth Trudeau with Hudak
after his presentation

Dear Editor:

A delegation from Canadians for Language Fairness (CLF) and Language Fairness for All (LFA) attended Ontario Progressive Conservative Party LeaderTim Hudak’s meeting on Monday, January 21st at the Ottawa Convention Centre. Hudak spoke about the economic tragedy that Ontario has become under the nine-year stewardship of Dalton McGuinty, leaving us his legacy of a $235 billion debt and $12 billion deficit; and from being the economic engine of Canada to a shameful “have-not” status.

Hudak took a mere three questions from the floor and we did not have the opportunity to raise questions about the plight of the English speakers of Ontario. Our Beth Trudeau presented him a package afterwards (see photo.)  In light of this, we’re communicating our concerns via this Open Letter.

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From: Canadians for Language Fairness

January 21, 2013

To: Tim Hudak
Tim.Hudak@pc.ola.org
4961 King St. E Unit M1, Beamsville, ON L0R 1B0

Dear Tim Hudak, MPP:

We are very concerned that you are avoiding tackling the issue of the problems being caused by the French Language Services Act, 1986. This Act was passed under the most nefarious condition:

Ontario P.C. LeaderTim Hudak
Ontario P.C. Leader Tim Hudak

1. Also known as Bill 8, our “French Language Services Act” was passed under a cloud of secrecy, on November 18, l986.

2. With miniscule media coverage and no meaningful public discussion, no reference to a standing committee to take a look at what the implications of the legislation meant to Ontario.

3. With 70 of 125 members absent, and no recorded vote, residents of Ontario awoke to a done deal!

4. Never did the residents of Ontario give the former Liberal Premier David Peterson a mandate to proceed with this legislation. The Bill was passed almost entirely in the French language, and recorded in French in the Hansard Report (the public record), for the overwhelmingly (about 86% in l986) English-speaking residents of Ontario.

5. Only after permission was granted for an exception to the rule, was an English translation of the Bill provided, and it is hidden away under a different date!

Bob Runciman
Bob Runciman

6. An Ontario (Conservative) MPP, Bob Runciman, is on record as stating that “the wholesale extension of French language services in Ontario represents a horrendous waste of tax dollars, whose passage in l986 marked one of ‘the blackest days’ in the history of the (Ontario) Legislature”.

Our questions:
1. “There are currently 25 designated areas under the FLSA. For an area to obtain designation, technically, Francophones must make up at least 10% of its population; urban centres must have at least 5000 Francophones”. Can you please define “area” – is this synonymous with “municipality”? Would an “urban” centre refer only to “city” or does it include “town” & “village”.

2. Does the right to receive service in French also include the right to be supervised in French? Is this in the FLSA?

3. Does this Act include forced bilingual signage for private businesses? If not, should this be allowed by townships without the province’s prior approval as language is the purview of provincial governments? When townships pass by-laws enforcing bilingual commercial signs in only English & French, would this not be considered “ultra vires”?

4. If the Ontario PC were to win a majority government, will your party do anything to reduce the scope of the FLSA so that English-speaking Ontarians will no longer be at such a great disadvantage when it comes to finding jobs as bilingualism is becoming more and more of an obstacle to our citizens? You must be aware that our unilingual citizens are having to leave the province as too many jobs, especially in the hospitals, are being made bilingual even though the % of French-speakers is very low in those hospitals. This is especially so in places like Ottawa and Cornwall where bilingual French-speaking nurses from Quebec are hired in preference to our locally trained English-speaking nurses. I am sure you must have heard about Dr. Tombler & his complaint about bilingualism becoming a barrier to many Ontario nurses. If you are not, I take the liberty of enclosing a letter from him to the Standard-Freeholder in Cornwall.

Ontario truckers are not allowed to drive in Quebec with various permits. Tony Caldwell/Ottawa Sun/QMI Agency

5. You must be aware that Mike Harris’ attempt to bring the policy that “Fairness is a two-way street” to help our truck-drivers who are impeded from working in Quebec has been negated by the Liberal government since they took power. Now Quebec truckers and snow-removal contractors are given preference over Ontario truckers and snow-removal contractors in Ottawa. Is this something you are willing to do anything about? To refresh your memory, I will attach a page from the Greater Ottawa Truckers Association publication.

6. Are you also aware that many of our English names on streets, buildings etc. have been changed to French names under the Liberal regime? The Liberal regime is very supportive of the French and ran ads WHY IS FRENCH-LANGUAGE EDUCATION IN ONTARIO THE BEST CHOICE FOR YOUR CHILD’S FUTURE?” that clearly hint at the inferiority of English-speaking citizens as opposed to bilingual citizens. The Liberal regime is responsible for the amount of money spent promoting French in Ontario – will you follow the same policies if you win the next election?

7. According to the Fraser Institute Report, surely we have more urgent needs that are currently under-funded that we can spend our tax dollars on than this? We have heard that our Health-care service is so severely underfunded that our seniors are going to be denied certain essential services.

8. Many of our supporters have tried to connect with you & the other PC MPPs but your answering service is very poor. In response to the fact that you don’t bother answering queries, many of your supporters have stopped renewing their memberships and also stopped sending you donations. If you want support, you have to show that you care about your supporters.

 

Thank you in advance,

Kim McConnell, President

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mariah
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Tim Hudak had many empty chairs in the small room at the Ottawa Convention Centre despite MPP,s,staffers & a couple reporters.He spoke of the large dept left by Dalton McGuinty 41% I believe & that we must balance Ontario,s books but nothing too much on the “HOW” He covered the problem with our teachers & also commented that people should be able to decide for themselves whether or not to belong to Unions or not. He took only 3 questions from the public. #1 was Ron Barr from the Greater Ottawa Truckers’ Association #2 was a gentleman from MacEwen asking… Read more »
admin
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Yes Mariah. I like Steve Clarke too and think he did a great job along with the people of Brockville who supported him!

mariah
Guest

Correction :We did get to speak to Tim Hudak on stage…sorry!

Kim Khoo
Member
Dear Editor, thank you very much for posting my letter to Opposition Leader, Tim Hudak. In reproducing my letter, you left out an important sentence in my point #7: The Fraser Institute report had this reference, “Ontario spends $623 Million/year on providing services in both languages.” This amount of money is very relevant because we are a bankrupt province with a very high debt and annual deficit and the money spent promoting the relevance of French in a province that has only 4% French speakers is outrageous!!! The FLSA has already accomplished its task of putting French-speakers in many positions… Read more »
Eric
Guest
I think the breakdown for 623 million dollars would only show the tip of the iceburg for Ontario. Seems to me language funding alone in schools is more than that. Plus the cost of 4 French Boards and 8 French Catholic Boards/ buildings/maintenance/etc. (upwards of 1.2 B) And no stellabystarlight, I do not want to discontinue French learning, only account for actual need. The Language Grant has five allocations: ● English as a Second Language/English Literacy Development (ESL/ELD) Allocation – $234.3 million, ● French as a First Language (FFL) Allocation – $73.1 million, ● French as a Second Language (FSL)… Read more »
Kim Khoo
Member

WoW, Eric!! Your research skill is phenomenal – thanks!!! We could use more people like you because even the Fraser Institute’s researches are not complete but they are a credible body and we have no other that we can quote.

One thing that they keep ignoring is the compliance cost of the private sector which are forced to print all their commercial packaging information in both English & French. It is often noticed that the cost of the same product in the States is often lower, partly because they are not forced to comply in this way.

Ed
Member

I don’t know, but I doubt that Hudak would make this an election issue. It just doesn’t resonate with enough people. He’ll probably stick with bashing teachers and immigrants and people living in poverty. Mike Harris taught him well.
Re Brockville and area… I’ve lost count of the number of factories and jobs that have disappeared in the last ten or twenty years.

Rosie
Guest

Thank you Kim, great points in you letter. I’m glad you referred to the french-language education ad. My take on that ad is that it is very misleading..

local
Guest

Hudak’s Conservative Party is always too late to action. Before the last election, the public virtually pleaded to get rid of the Green Energy Act and to cut HST by 2%. Hudak ignored the public and lost. Now, he is promising to do that not because he finally listens to the public, but because the international court said so (about the feed-in-tariff program).

At the Monday meeting, when we spoke to him and the local MPPs about how forced bilingualism affects employment opportunities of 96% of Ontarians, we were met with a look of a deer in the headlight.

edudyorlik
Guest
Great letter to the Editor Kim. Also, great work making your presence known at the meeting. You, Beth, Chris Deb and all the others CLF & LFA who took the time and made the effort. I also like the pic of you Beth giving Tim an ear full. I can only imagine what you were saying but… I am sure you were letting him know, on behalf of all of us, “the way things are, and shouldn’t be.” – As for that absurd commercial. I COULD NOT believe my ears the other night when it aired. I literally sat there… Read more »
Eric
Guest

local, “Tim Hudak announced on May 10th that he would end the “expensive and unsustainable Feed-in Tariff (FIT) program and [McGuinty’s] sweetheart Samsung deal”.”
May 10 2011 was long before the election.

There are other factors listed as well.
http://www.clearskyadvisors.com/1027/did-hudak%E2%80%99s-green-energy-policy-cost-him-the-ontario-election/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tim-hudak-vows-to-scrap-lucrative-green-energy-deals-in-ontario/article579426/

stellabystarlight
Guest

yorlik about commercial: French language education in Ontario is the best choice for your child’s future.”

ABSOLUTELY!!!!! Thinking the english freedom fighters should have made the same choice….they wouldn’t be crying discrimination today…….especially knowing that this country has two official languages, French and english.

You snooze…..you lose!!

Cory Cameron
Guest
I wish to offer a heartfelt thanks this fine evening to our very own Stellabystarlight for the issuing of her very own brand of hatred and making it possible for the entire world to see unedited… Stella in all of her glory, writes: ” yorlik about commercial: French language education in Ontario is the best choice for your child’s future.” ABSOLUTELY!!!!! Thinking the english freedom fighters should have made the same choice….they wouldn’t be crying discrimination today…….especially knowing that this country has two official languages, French and english. You snooze…..you lose!! Notice now how the ethnocentrists make no mention of… Read more »
Rosie
Guest

Stella since you understand the French language perfectly can I ask that you watch the ad and tell me if you find it misleading. You will have to watch English TV however, if you can bring yourself to do that. Besides the obvious “French better than English message” do you really believe the English child in the ad completely understands the little French guy after having one year of French education and that being Kindergarten? How do they get away with this stuff.

highlander
Guest

Great comment Cory,now people reread Stella’s Hate message .
This is the reality of her oppinion ,she doesn’t even realize what .she wrote is ethnocentric and promotes hate.

Cory Cameron
Guest
Thanks Highlander for the backing to my comment regarding Stella’s. Now, having a couple of people coming on CFN and issuing this type of hatred and/or ethnocentrism is one thing…………. However it’s quite another to have government entities issuing this type of crap with our tax money and playing loose with our Rights and Freedoms. For why is it that our tax dollars are used by the government to promote this kind of thing. Who is it that decides what’s best for our children’s future? Re-read the final message, carefully. The commercial states, “French language education in Ontario is the… Read more »
Disappointed
Guest

I thought Hudak’s Monday meeting in Ottawa would be kind of consultation with the public, but disappointingly it was far from it. He took only 3 (three!) questions from the public. That was an insult! What’s the point of coming to their meetings if we are stonewalled? No wonder a small room was half-empty. It was their seventh meeting and the word went around they are not there for you.

edudyorlik
Guest
Stella, normally would ignore you and maybe i should continue to do so now as well but i am going to try here just this one more time. I am not expecting much so along with low expectations comes little disappointment. – My question to you is this. In a country where a VAST MAJORITY of the people could care less about the French language. As a matter of fact the ONLY people who care about the French language are the FRENCH — MINORITY — of (let’s call it 8%, just to give you the benefit of the doubt) IN… Read more »
edudyorlik
Guest

PS
wasn’t it Montcalm that was snoozin and loosin?

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I am sure that’s how it worked out… Then after that loss France ceded “ALL OF CANADA” to the British? That’s right. Sorry to break it to ya but, there are signed documents to that effect which PROVE this to be true.

Highlander
Guest
Now this is something you would never hear or read from the province of Quebec. “English language education in Quebec is the best choice for your child’s future.” It may be true as the world works and operates in English but its better for the province of Quebec to keep their population “dumb ed Down”. For the Quebec political masters will decide what’s good for their population . Its easier to control a population that’s uneducated then one that’s educated and informed. So if Quebec refuses to be bilingual ,whats the push for Ontario to be -for that 4% of… Read more »
mariah
Guest
Eric great work on the Facts,thank you very much,also love hearing about Facts from Cory,Highlander & Edudyorlik great work. I never respond to racist stella,s hate filled English bashing,she appears to have more problems other than English verses french. I too travelled to Ottawa to hear solutions from Tim Hudak on our province,s dept…but none were to be had! Will not do that again,what a waste!!! Billions spent on a minority language while turning a blind eye to the majority of Ontarians while our province sinks in debt further & further,something like 41% & can only get worse into possible… Read more »
Ken
Guest
@highlander Quote: For the Quebec political masters will decide what’s good for their population . Its easier to control a population that’s uneducated then one that’s educated and informed. end quote. That is exactly what Trudeau was taught by the Jesuits in the thirties. Control by the Church and keep the people ignorant and separate from ROC. Education, very closely controlled, only for the elite. Me thinks it’s much the same today. Speak French only and then you won’t be distracted by how the rest of the world functions. Re: Hudak. He’s not a leader, tells us about all the… Read more »
Ed
Member

News Flash! A new call centre will be starting up in Cornwall in March. Here’s a quote from its CEO. “Atelka is expanding rapidly and we are continuously looking to build on our qualified and bilingual workforce. This is why we chose Cornwall,” said CEO Georges Karam.
Oh, the outrage! Will our brave freedom-fighters try to keep this outfit out of Cornwall?

highlander
Guest

Ed January 26, 2013 at 9:39 am

Maybe they can bus them from Quebec like other call centers?

stellabystarlight
Guest

ED….RIGHT ON MAN!!!!!!

The english freedom fighters just don’t get it. This country has two official languages…..FRENCH and english. It has ALWAYS been an advantage when looking for work to know both official languages.

It is also a benefit to any city or county to be recognized as being bilingual if they want to grow and be competitive.

It’s diversity that makes places to live and work attractive.

edudyorlik
Guest

What happened to the “two official languages” concept in the province of Quebec there Stella? Oh right. We’re supposed to forget about Quebec as they don’t matter.

Oh and Ed, what about those treaties that were signed by France that ceded all of Canada to the British.

Do we forget about those too?

edudyorlik
Guest
ON January 26, 2013 at 10:23 am highlander wrote, to Ed “Maybe they can bus them from Quebec like other call centers?” – Figures. Guess we have to deal with and fix the unemployment situation in Quebec just like we are dealing with (and will end up dealing with) the enormous debt situation in Quebec as well. Isn’t it wonderful how they call themselves a “nation” separate from Canada, yet when it comes to transfer payments and sucking money from the majority Anglophone Canadian tax payers they are just a “province” within Canada. What a fraudulent game they are playing… Read more »
Ed
Member

According to this site http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/map-transferpayments/ , Ontario receives $19.4 billion and Quebec receives $16.6 billion in transfer payments.

Helga
Guest
Hudak’s Conservatives are talking “jobs”, but jobs for whom? Certainly not for anglos who are 96% of Ontario population. Look at Ontario hospitals, call centres, transportation companies, hotels, etc – most of their employees are from Quebec. Canada’s bilingualism polices (federal, Ontario’s and NB’s) have become so over the top that Anglos feel unwanted in their own country. Don’t speak French in Ontario – no job for you – seems to be the message from the Conservative Party of Ontario. They refuse to address this issue which could only mean they support the Liberals’ take on it. Okay, good luck… Read more »
Tim
Guest

Stella, babe… tell that to Quebec what you that just have told English Canada:

“It is also a benefit to any city or county to be recognized as being bilingual if they want to grow and be competitive.

It’s diversity that makes places to live and work attractive.”

LMAO…

peter
Guest

Time to staring “thinking” of a new political party, and to begin contacting various anglo groups across Canada.

Maybe trying to make contact with Dany Williams, for advice and leadership.

highlander
Guest

stellabystarlight January 26, 2013 at 11:06 am

” It’s diversity that makes places to live and work attractive.”

OMG ,YRTF,IAFDLMAO THAT coming from an ethnocentric like yourself .

Did you not mean as long as French is the priority?

Listen English hater everyone knows where you stand ,you have never ,ever been interested in other cultures.

stellabystarlight
Guest
Rosie wrote: do you really believe the English child in the ad completely understands the little French guy after having one year of French education and that being Kindergarten? Absolutely Rosie!! You would be surprised how quickly these young kids learn…..gee they learn about computers in grade one. Schooling has come a long way…..especially at the french schools **smile** @yorlik….I was hoping you would continue to ignore me as I wouldn’t have to keep repeating myself to you all the time…here goes. Read my lips hon……NO ONE WAS EVER FORCED TO LEARN FRENCH……GOT THAT? Again…it’s a personal choice…ca-vas? Ed…..you proved… Read more »
Gerry
Guest

The Anglos should organize into a country-wide strike to demand abolishing Official Bilingualism in English Canada. Quebec rejected it and so should we.

Ed
Member

@ Peter. That’s exactly what yous English-rights freedom-fighters should be doing. No mainstream party, federal or provincial, is interested in your BS. Yous could name your new party “Yogic Flyers for Language Fairness”.

spera
Guest
@ Stella, ED, (MODERATED) Yes, stella, the majority rules. That’s called democracy. As for separation, wasn’t that the french’s idea. We are only now seeing its benefits to Canada. hey stella its catching on. Revolution simply means change, and not necessarily by violence. You must be confusing us, with your FLQ Any by law, that supports free choice is pro-democracy and thereofore welcomed The problem that does exist is that the minority are trying to control the majority, similar to apartheid in south africa This we will not allow to happen. GOT THAT Since the English are in the majority,… Read more »
highlander
Guest
stellabystarlight January 26, 2013 at 3:50 pm 1) Who is trying to seperate this country… The separatists. 2) Who mentions revolutions……The FLQ. 3) Who is creating adversity by trying to get by-laws passed… THE FRENCH RIGHTS GROUP’S IN RUSSELL. 4) Who is causing problems where none exist….yep THOSE FRENCH RIGHTS GROUPS . 5) Who is trying desperately to control this nation….yep you guessed it….same as above. 6) Who is disrupting meetings, passing out pamphlets on why and how the french language should be pushed …Mr.Jean lecompte (Mr.Bilingualism)-At the LFA MEETING IN SOUTH STORMONT. 7) Who by leading comments encouraged people… Read more »
Cory Cameron
Guest

It’s high time to push one of those official languages in Quebec.

The English language – seeing is it’s one of these facts that Stella likes to emphasize so much about there being two official languages in Canada.

IF, the following is true:

“French language education in Ontario is the best choice for your child’s future.”

THEN WHY COULDN’T THIS BE THE CASE AS WELL AND HAVE THE FEDS CALL FOR THIS:

“English language education in Quebec is the best choice for your child’s future.”

Would this not be considered ‘fair’?

Eric
Guest

Ed, I think the equalization program is the issue not total transfer. You may remember that Trudeau put that in the constituion, so removal is very difficult.
2006 – Ontario none, Quebec 5.6 Billion
Since inception, Quebec gets back over 2 dollars for every one put in…….great deal unless you are the one paying!

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/17/quebec-proves-that-not-all-is-equal-in-canadas-equalization-payment-program

stellabystarlight, the “bashing” of French began when Jacques Cartier planted a Cross and told the Indians that it was a meaningless symbol……then kidnapped the Chiefs son & brought him to France.

Kim Khoo
Member
On Jan/26th, Ed posted this: According to this site http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/map-transferpayments/ , Ontario receives $19.4 billion and Quebec receives $16.6 billion in transfer payments. Problem is that Ed has misunderstood the information altogether: In 2006, Total Transfer to Ontario: $19.4B consisting of: Can. Health Transfer: $12.6B Can. Social Transfer: $ 3.1B Wait Times Transfer: $ 0.467B Equalization Transfer: $0 Deficit $2.4B ON contributes: $18.2B Total Transfer to Quebec: $16.6B Can. Health Transfer: $ 3.8B Wait Times Transfer: $ 0.282B Equalization Transfer: $ 5.6B So, if you know how to read the numbers, Ontario received $0 in Equalization Transfer and Quebec received… Read more »
Kim Khoo
Member
I made an error in the message that I sent to correct the information posted earlier on Transfer Payments to Quebec. I left out the Health Transfer figure so the corrected info. is: Total transfer to Quebec for 2006: $16.6B Health Transfer : $ 7.6B Social Transfer : $ 3.8B Wait Times Transfer : $ 0.282B Equalization Transfer : $ 5.6B Contribution : $ 0.00
Highlander
Guest
The Liberal regime is very supportive of the French and ran ads “WHY IS FRENCH-LANGUAGE EDUCATION IN ONTARIO THE BEST CHOICE FOR YOUR CHILD’S FUTURE?” that clearly hint at the inferiority of English-speaking citizens as opposed to bilingual citizens. Welcome to Canada’s and Ontario’s Cast system ,similar to India’s !!!! A friend of mine from east India was completely surprised that Canada has its own cast system and THE DEFINING DIFFERENCE IS LANGUAGE. Is bilingual education not good enough it must be a FRENCH EDUCATION . Wake up,wake up ,wake up people do you not see that as social engineering?… Read more »
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