Is it time to Turn Cornwall Ontario into a Low Tobacco Tax Hot Zone? August 13, 2010 EDITORIAL

Is it time to Turn Cornwall Ontario into a Low Tobacco Tax Hot Zone?  August 13, 2010 EDITORIAL

Cornwall ON – Is it time to turn Cornwall Ontario into a Tax Hot Spot for Cigarettes?

We’ve seen the shows on television and know the reputation of Cornwall Ontario and nearby Akwesasne for Cigarette smuggling.

The Canadian Government is spending millions of dollars trying to stem the flow of illegal cigarettes, but the results have been less than productive for the investment.

Is it time to think out of the box and re-evaluate the situation?

Other  than the legal and moral issues related to the subject  illegal cigarettes are good for the local Economy.

Instead of paying $80 + for a carton of smokes area residents pay about $20 for the equivalent.   That keeps a lot of money in the local economy and hundreds of people are paying their mortgages, buying cars, really loud electronic equipment, and lots of really ugly clothing and jewelly.

If you took illegal cigarette money out of this economy without replacing it the impact would be devastating.

The problem with the status quo is that it’s hurt the local economy.  Tourism is slower; less people cross the bridge.  Even the Highland Games saw less attendance this year; chiefly from the US.

Now it’s always easy to point out flaws and issue blame, but what about a possible solution?

One of the biggest costs of this mess is to local health care.   At $20 per bag more people are smoking more cigarettes and that balloons healthcare costs.

I have been working on a plan that would suggest to create a Reduced Tobacco Hot zone in Cornwall Ontario.     Packages of legal cigarettes would have different coloured wraps and would be issued via quota to local law abiding tax paying merchants.

More legal cigarettes would be sold and more dollars would stay with small businesses.  It would even attract travellers who would stop or venture to the area, and just perhaps would spend more money on other items and services.

Do this as a two year pilot project and review the results.

I personally think this would help the economy and actually combat the economies of the smugglers as they lose market share.

Actions always create reactions.  The bottom line should always be the impact on the health and security of the public.   It’s taken a long time to get smoking numbers down and it’s going to take generations of good work to eliminate it.

We need to think outside of the box and look at all options as the status quo simply isn’t going to work and throwing money and incarcerating people won’t help society in the long run either.

Jamie Gilcig – Editor – The Cornwall Free News

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Lets see if this comment makes it in. My last comment n the Liberals role in the F35 purchase seemed to have gotten lost. First off most Americans are staying away because of a few reasons chiefly their new passport requirements and secondly their economy is on the verge of going the way of the Soviet Union. Second smoking does not cost health care anything in fact smokers die a lot sooner and its cheaper to bury them then provide extended cpp and oas and other things like knee operations, hip replacements etc….. all the things that healthy seniors will… Read more »

Eric
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Eric

This quota idea is interesting. It would probably be against the Charter if only selling to local residents, but otherwise, instead of smuggling capital names, other names would be a risk. Would that help tourism?

If the governments wanted smoking numbers lower, they could. Farmers in southern Ontario are growing peanuts and soy now plus of course the legal product called tobaco. Farmers are adjusting, but how would the Government without this revenue?

Smoking in movies is coming back, the A Team for example.

Reg
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Reg

This is a very confusing posting.

Jamie wants to give Cornwall equal smoking rights to Akwesasne. William Jones thinks that there is a black market in assassinating smokers before they can get medical treatment and Eric claims there is a plot to increase smoking through movies.

Is this a plot for a Canadian version of Monty Python? Mounty Python perhaps?

smee
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smee

Jamie
How will this work?

Quota is a good idea,

Sorry always questions
How will you manage the 2 pack – day person to live within the quota alloted them?

Who will provide the tobacco products and how will you keep McGuinty and his band of thieves from taxing the product.

Would industry itself not try and regulate the quota scenarion, similiar to the industrial type lobbyists now keeping the LCBO and our governmental tobacco and goods co-orporation in business.

willie191
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willie191

Jamie, It sound different. However, I think it could work. Problem is, it won’t happen with the egotistical King Stephen. Lets face it, even when the Re-Cons are wrong, they will look you in the eye and say no, we are right. ie, the recession, shutting down parliament, Helena Gurgis, etc.

Eric
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Eric

I just throw out comments so Dalton McGuinty can pass another tax, distract the masses like…LOL
There may not be a plot to sell more smokes, but some people buy into what they see stars do / wear etc!

The shop owners/operators already have enough hoops to go through to sell a pack, we/they do not need to be unpaid help for the government photo op teams.

smee
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smee

Willlie
I think you would have more of a problem with McGuinty then Harper. Nah I know you would.

Eric
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Eric

More people should have a problem with the McGuinty government, did you know the OPP are investigatimg 4 ministry’s? Transportation, Economic Development, Community & Social Services and the Ontario Reality Corp. Of course, they are innocent until proven guilty, unless you are Conservative…..

As far as I can see, only the Globe & Mail reported it!

Stan
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Stan

OPP = Over Paid Police

Tammy A. Hart
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Tammy A. Hart

What ministry in the McGuinty government hasn’t been corrupt? Everyone should read the book “Animal Farm” by George Orwell, reminds me of the McGuinty government.

willie191
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willie191

Tammy, you can add Harris and Eves to that list. And lets not forget about the air bus scandal. Geesh, you are a blind sided Re-con.

Destructo
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Destructo

Tammy: Please re-read Animal Farm…you missed the point completely.

Puff Master
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Puff Master

What a bunch of spoiled brats. Now you want to toss out the Charter of Rights…? The only reason there is an illegal cigarette economy is because people are too lazy and niceified to roll their own. People, a hand rolled cardboard filter biodegrades in a week or two as opposed to 27 years for commercial filters. Bunch of Dandies using machines stuffing tubes with tobacco. Just buy a fifty gram pouch of tobacco for $18.00, sit on a park bench, roll it up with your fingers and be glad you can get it at all.

Tammy A. Hart
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Tammy A. Hart

Destructo, I did read it twice. Its all about totalitarianism, manipulation, deceit…you know the whole McGuinty thing. And Willie 191…what Harris said he did, he was five years consulting the people asking them what they wanted, and followed through, right or wrong he did what he said he was going to do.

Tammy A. Hart
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Tammy A. Hart

Jamie, Its about keeping all of government accountable right? Vote them out when they lie. I don’t care who they are.

PJA
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PJA

“‘Animal Farm’ is a dystopian allegorical novella by George Orwell. Published in England on 17 August 1945, the book reflects events leading up to and during the Stalin era before World War II. Orwell, a democratic socialist and a member of the Independent Labour Party for many years, was a critic of Joseph Stalin and was suspicious of Moscow-directed Stalinism after his experiences with the NKVD during the Spanish Civil War. In a letter to Yvonne Davet, Orwell described Animal Farm as his novel ‘contre Stalin’.” “The novel addresses not only the corruption of the revolution by its leaders but… Read more »

PJ Robertson
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PJ Robertson

What PJA says and quotes is fine, as far as it goes. Actually, Orwell described “Animal Farm” as a “Fairy Story”. Fable might be more apt. And while the story may have been inspired by “events leading up to and during the Stalin era,” it is by no means confined to the Stalin era. Rather the fable has universal application, and therein lie its power and appeal. Napoleons and Squealers are liable to surface at any moment in every human organization, whether government, political, business, educational, healthcare, NGO, you name it….and, yes, even democratic organizations such as Canada’s Parliament in… Read more »

Tammy A. Hart
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Tammy A. Hart

PJA AND PJR, I too read the introduction and the appendix and I went onto the Wikipedea and read the book twice, and still concluded that the way Dalton McGuinty is running this province parallels the story of Animal Farm. Go back and read it again boys!

willie191
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willie191

Tammy, a good Re-Con like yourself can only see in a straight line. I proceed with my decisions when I am right. A politician proceeds whether they are right or wrong. With common sense, you don’t always need a consultant.You sure are a politician.

Destructo
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Destructo

OK Tammy. If you break down Animal Farm down to it’s most basic and elemental state, yes it is about totalitarianism, manipulation, and deceit. But that is the simplest possible summary of the book, and wouldn’t (or shouldn’t) pass the mustard in a grade school book report. All the characters in the novel have direct correlations to actual people and events relating to the Russian Revoluiton, as has been previously stated in this thread. While McGuinty may well fit into some loose generalization of totalitarionaism as you percieve it, all politicians past present or future also fit that description. And… Read more »

Destructo
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Destructo

I only read part of the back cover, and looked at some of the pictures. I agree with Tammy. It is about McGuinty.

Tammy A. Hart
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Tammy A. Hart

willie 191, I have been in municipal politics finishing up on my first four years, hopefully another four. Throughout the last four years, I have seen lots and its sickening. The provincial downloading from this McGuinty government has been unprecedented. This man has mismanaged Ontario, given himself raises on a continuous bases and only now decides to freeze them, a little too late don’t you think? McGuinty’s only concern is getting the Toronto vote, he caters to the unions, public servants, immigrants, special interest groups and environmentalists. He has such a disregard for Eastern Ontario, and Northern Ontario and anything… Read more »

willie191
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willie191

I agree with everything you have said Tammy. My problem, The Conservative and Re-Cons are the same. Both parties are based on greed and corruption. It’s time we give another party an opportunity. They cannot do any worse.
Thank you for your insight.

Tammy A. Hart
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Tammy A. Hart

Your welcome. But there’s more…I am not a big fan of government of any kind, BUT the only government who remotely talks about less government, and philosophically believes in it, is the Conservative government therefore I vote for them. And I am going to work hard to hold them accountable, that’s the only way we will get some sort of change. Check out Randy Hillier’s web-site MPP for Lanark Frontenac Lennox and Addinington. He works hard, lately he took on a labour union who tried to infiltrate a small business in Ottawa. The IBEW (electrician union) tried to force six… Read more »

willie191
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willie191

It is my opinion that the provincial Liberals and the Conservatives are the same. Put whatever spin on it you wish.

left-or-right
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left-or-right

Tammy A. Hart says: I have been in municipal politics finishing up on my first four years, hopefully another four.
As a constituent of South Stormont…I sure hope not!!!!!!!!!