CFN – On Saturday, at his sprawling Maple Ponds Equestrian Centre in Williamstown, human rights activist Howard Galganov and his wife Anne hosted a bbq lunch, rally and fundraiser. About 100 invited guests from places such as Cornwall and area, Ottawa, Toronto, Timmins, Montreal, and further afield, enjoyed the burgers, sausages, salads and desserts over conversation. They also received an update on the battle for freedom of expression in Canada.
Galganov rallied the troops with his words: “This campaign has become invigorated … we’re no longer playing defence; we’re playing offence. We’re not going to wait for yet another law to come and take away our rights … We have choices in life and they’re simple. It’s fight or flight. … Don’t allow anyone to ever tell you that you’re a racist or a bigot or anti-French because you’re standing up for your rights to be a majority. … We are 96% of the population and it’s time that we behaved like 96% of the (Ontario) population.”
Galganov was quick to point out that he’s not advocating any kind of a witch hunt and that this isn’t a battle between English and French. He reiterated his previous promise never to support a discriminatory Bill 101 type of law here in Ontario. Identifying the source of the issue, Galganov pointed out that: “There is a small group of Franco activists who are going to do whatever they can to usurp our rights.” It has been noted that, in Cornwall, La Société pour la Promotion du Bilinguisme has been going door to door advising business people of their “obligations under the law.”
He addressed the topic of the recent court ruling in Ontario’s Russell Township and outlined a plan of action to counter it. A group of French language activists in Ontario’s Russell Township (a community of 15,000 near Ottawa) was unsatisfied that only 70% of local commercial establishments displayed bilingual signs (in unilingual English Ontario), so they lobbied municipal Council to force the issue. Amid great controversy, Council passed a by-law by a vote of 3-2, which requires all new exterior commercial signs to be English/French bilingual, with the size and style of lettering being identical in both languages. Seeing this as an unnecessary infringement, two area residents challenged the bylaw. The owner of a radiator repair shop, Jean-Serge Brisson is fully bilingual, but chose to erect a sign that displayed the business name in English and its services in French. Howard Galganov, a bilingual Anglophone had posted a sign only in English. In 2010 the Superior Court of Justice ruled against both men. Subsequently the Court of Appeal ruled that the bylaw does indeed violate citizens’ Charter rights to freedom of expression. Quoting the Supreme Court of Canada, the Appeal court stated that: “Freedom consists in an absence of compulsion.” Incredibly the Appeal court went on to say that the violation was reasonable and justified.
Galganov Dot Com Inc and the Ottawa based Canadians for Language Fairness have joined forces to spearhead a Supreme Court challenge to the Ontario Court of Appeal decision which permits the violation of Non-Francophone Charter rights. The challenge will be on the basis that, by forcing people to use the language of others, the ruling violates section 2b of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which was created to guarantee freedom of expression.
Other planned activities include a campaign whereby full colour glossy brochures are being delivered to businesses in small town Ontario, educating them on the extent to which minority French language rights have trampled on the rights of those functioning in another language in Ontario and possibly soon in the rest of Canada. Here’s a snapshot from the brochure which invites others to join in funding the court battle.
Guests included some members of the allied language rights groups: Canadians for Language Fairness and the local Language Fairness for All as well as some politicians and political candidates. Many “ordinary folk” came out to show their support as well.
Bryan McGillis, Mayor of South Stormont, was in attendance. He agreed to explore the legal implications closely, and may opt to seek the support of his Council to pass a resolution guaranteeing that South Stormont will never introduce a bylaw that takes away from the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Further, should South Stormont pass such a bylaw, McGillis will table a motion that the municipality propose to other municipalities that they adopt a similar stance.
The video clip below is included as part of a DVD package which is being promoted by Canadians for Language Fairness as a “how we got into this mess” brief explanation.
Being a gracious host, as part of the gathering Galganov invited guests to enjoy five miles of groomed trails including a picnic area in the pines. Some even got to view it aboard his Kubota and wagons – a ride which rivals many a midway, but cannot be purchased at any price!
yorlik……..yes you sound like someone that should run for PM, then we could do like we did to galganov…..let you fall on your biased face and give you the biggest defeat of your life. Then perhaps we won’t have to listen to your hate mongering any longer.
@ edudyorlik :
Well said many, many people are becoming increasingly upset in how Canada now has become a cast system similar to India.
Numerous friends who are immigrants have mentioned this.
One particular immigrant from India informed me that is exactly how this is playing out and was wondering why the English would except being treated as a second class citizen.
I was rather stunned to see what Chris Cameron posted:
Annual commissioner’s report to francophone minister Madam Milleur-
So a designated facility has special privileges -like legal immunity that protects it from economic and political climate .
“Is considered a highly significant political gesture”.
Status “confers recognition on two levels ,namely in the socio-political and Political spheres ”
“Designation acts as a political and legal SHIELD by providing protection against the potential reduction or discontinuation of programs or services ”
So what of the other facilities :are they second class if they are not designated?
Those other facilities are not politically protected?
Would those other institutions be first on the cutting block ?
Therefore an provincial institution is not protected through political and legal SHIELD if they are not designated?
This last statement infers that if any /all are not protected if not designated -Therefore for protection these agencies have but no choice but to be designated?
Soviet Union-During its communism era would not do this to their population -BECAUSE REVOLUTION WOULD HAVE OCCURRED !
As for Mike -One who defends superior rights for one linguistic group ,may find the other groups will let their wallets do the talking .
As you are in business operation YOUR VIEWPOINTS WILL directly effect the businesses outcome.
Lets hope the majority of your customers are bilingual ,therefore that 21% limits the amount potential customers.
Firstly
@ Highlander. Thank you for that vote of confidence. It is always very appreciated.
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@Stella: I have ZERO “hate for anyone.” I simply have a sense a fairness embedded in me from my wonderful late mother who was 100% French Canadian. A sense of fairness that compels me to speak out like the French do, and also like the ROC SHOULD BE DOING regarding this insane situation in this country.
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When i look at what is happening in this country i see certain FACTS. And, without going into ALL of those facts just to prove things to someone like you who will likely not absorb them with the sense of fairness they deserve, i WILL simply SAY THIS…
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I have ZERO USE FOR those so called “cherished draconian language laws” in the “province” of Quebec (need i remind folks yet again that this is ONLY a province) which outlaw the English language to the degree that they actually have (as i pointed out in a previous post) which includes a specific “bureau” called, “the official office of the French language” which takes complaints from Quebecers who use phrases like, “that sign is in English and it offends me.”
– Now THAT Sounds more like hate to me —.
http://youtu.be/Damdh8DB9_Q
So, get it straight will you. I love the French culture and the French language. I just don’t agree with how the political arm has “forced” domination in that “province”, which is within the country of Canada, and how they are now attempting to “force” that same type of domination within the ROC.
yorlik…I gather you live in the province of Quebec having said that why would what goes on in Ontario bother you? If you live in Ontario, what business is it of yours what they do in Quebec? Thinking both provinces have enough of their own issues without language being the predominant one.
I want you to get this straight…..Canada has two official languages and that will never change. Got that?
How anyone one could say “I love the french language and the french culture” while being affiliated with a radical activist who is advocating the abolishment of the french culture and language is beyond comprehension and if wasn’t so pathetic would be laughable.
Whether you admit or not, there is an unrepenting hatred for the french that you are trying to spread through the country.
@Stella: Repeating lies WILL NEVER make them truth’s…
Hello everyone!
I’m not going to comment on this youtube video. What I would have to say would fill a few pages worth of material!
But check this out and please tell me what appears to be wrong with it? I provided the link below.
Thanks,
Cory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KQlxn7NreU
Dearest Stella,
A little bedtime story for you to read-you can read,can’t you????
This is a TRUE story about a wonderful man named Howard Galganov for ALL to read & see the TRUTH,not the propaganda like Miss Smille likes to spew!!!!
ENJOY!!!!
ABOUT YOURS TRULY
The Power Of Demagoguery And Misleading Media have shaped my views by turning them around 180 degrees. I used to be a LIBERAL.
Demonizing your opponent is a demagoguery that is used by people who otherwise have no legitimate argument. Regrettably, it is a tactic that is far too often successful.
By making an opponent look like a clown, an extremist, obstructionist and worse of all – A RACIST, one hopes that the legitimate argument is swept away.
This is a dangerous path used by vocal minorities who want Something-For-Nothing. And want to get into your life by telling you and yours how to live. These are folks who are literally always propped-up with public funds who also depend near exclusively upon the owners of businesses for everything from jobs to welfare.
For example, to ethnocentric French-Speaking Nationalists in Quebec and Ontario, I’ve been called a linguistic racist and a Francophobe. Neither are true.
To those appeasing-Anglos who either accept laws that diminish English speakers, or who are too timid to oppose them, I’ve been called a hardliner, an extremist and an Angryphone. All of which are true.
But none of them on either side have EVER been able to debate me on the REAL issues: NOT ONE OF THEM. Instead, they run and hide behind platitudes and demagoguery.
Even in Wikipedia, which is a very IFFY Web search engine created by the so-called public at large on “GOOD FAITH”, I’m made out to be some kind of almost-ran who tilts at wind mills.
So, if you want to know the truth about who I am, and what I stand for, in spite of what the demagogues and a LEFTIST search engine like Wikipedia has to say, here it is in my own words:
Some Of My Background:
I was born in Montreal, Quebec, Canada on February 12, 1950.
My parents were financially poor and family rich.
Both of them served in uniform during WWII. My dad was a highly decorated soldier who fought throughout Europe, starting with the invasion of Sicily. He was wounded several times during the war, including being wounded at the Battle of Monte Cassino, where he fought on nonetheless. He saw action in Italy, France, the Netherlands (decorated by Queen Wilhelmina), Belgium and Germany.
My parents were both born in Montreal from Eastern European Immigrants who came to Canada in the second decade of the 1900’s.
I’ve worked full-time since I was 12 years old. I finished High School in the evening. I attended university (Sir George Williams University – Montreal) at night, until I dropped-out knowing that I would never become a professional.
I’ve been an entrepreneur most of my life, owning businesses and employing individuals since I’ve been 18 years old.
I am the founder of a North American Advertising Agency (since 1978) that has been 100% owned and operated by my beautiful wife Anne since 1996, when I decided to become fully engaged as a CONSERVATIVE RIGHTS ADVOCATE.
Anne and I have been married since 1973. We have no children other than our dog, cat and horses, all of whom we consider to be beloved family.
We live on an Equestrian Center in South Eastern Ontario, 20 minutes from the US Border, which we cross frequently for shopping, dining and specific medical care we cannot get in a timely fashion in Ontario where we live.
As a CONSERVATIVE RIGHTS ACTIVIST, I have also contributed as best I can to everything from feeding hungry school children, to housing homeless people, and defending abused animals.
In the mid 1980’s, I created a multimillion dollar campaign in defense of Battered Women within Quebec.
Highly Listened To Radio Talk-Show Host:
I was a radio talk-show host in Montreal (1997-1999) on CIQC AM600, where I took on all-comers, especially the Elitists, the Government and the Something-For-Nothing Bunch.
When I first went on-air for CIQC AM600, they were averaging about 7,000 listeners per every quarter hour tuned during my time slot. By the time I went off-air, that number was over 30,000 and growing.
The reason I am no longer on the air had everything to do with a sweetheart deal the CRTC (FCC Canadian equivalent) gave to the station owners if they changed their format from Talk, to ALL NEWS with no Talk. This was in fact a ‘gutless’ way to silence my voice in Montreal.
Canada does not have a Broadcast Fairness Doctrine. Instead, we have a very politically correct LEFTIST CRTC that controls content by renewals of Broadcast license permits.
TAKING ON ETHNOCENTRIC QUEBECOIS NATIONALISTS:
In 1996, just after the 1995 Quebec Referendum to separate Quebec from Canada, I formed the Quebec Political Action Committee (QPAC), with which to take on Quebec’s Ethnocentric Nationalists who have made the UNRESTRICTED use of the English Language ILLEGAL.
QPAC drove the Quebec government to distraction, effectively ending any opportunity for Quebec to hold another referendum to secede from Canada.
For my troubles, Anne and I lived with armed bodyguards 24/7 for months at a time between 1996 and 1998.
I‘ve been written-up in Time Magazine, The Economist and far too many other prominent news magazines and newspapers worldwide to count, including active participation on a CBS 60-Minutes feature on the language wars in Quebec.
In 1996, I was included amongst Canada’s News Makers Of The Year.
THINGS I LOVE TO WRITE ABOUT:
I am a BEST SELLING political author and an author of several books that have sold well throughout Canada and the United States.
My favorite book that I’ve written is Champion Kharma, a true love story between my wife and her first horse Kharma. I’m presently working on a series of books about our horse family. The first installment of $50 For Grenadier is available as an E-BOOK on Galganov.com along with Champion Kharma & “And The Truth Shall Set You Free.
BACK TO DEMAGOGUERY:
The problems with demonizing people like me, not only sends the wrong message and information to people who would rather know the truth, but it comes back to bite the demagogues in the ass BIG TIME.
People like me will NEVER be beaten down. We will NEVER surrender. We will NEVER be co-opted. And we will NEVER stop.
More than that . . . people like me do what we do because it is in our DNA. We couldn’t do otherwise even if we wanted to. Get rid of me – and another one just like me will take my place.
WHY I FOCUS ON THE USA:
As for my interest in the USA – As America goes . . . so goes the world.
Also, it is incredibly painful for me to watch a member of our North American Family that has been so good to Canada and the rest of the world take such a beating at the hands of the LEFTIST Something-For-Nothing Bunch, that I can’t just sit back and watch it without trying to do something.
I will not hesitate to use my voice and writings if they can make a difference, because it’s the least one Member of a Family can do for another.
Thank you for your interest in the things I write and speak about. And thank you for your comments.
Best Regards . . . Howard Galganov
Let’s make a compromise: declare English as official language in English Canada and French as official language in Quebec at the federal level. (Provinces can decide for themselves). Are you listening, Stephen Harper?
not silent …please!! Might as well declare white anglo saxon the superior race… everyone else… go live in Québec.. For the life of me I don’t know how come no one sees HOW BAD THIS IS!!
This is very good, Patrick, and only fair. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Canada will have two equally superior races: franco in Quebec and anglo in English Canada. Now, however, it is tilted: francophones are legislated into a superior caste and anglophoneas into a second class everywhere.
Patrick……don’t think for one minute people don’t see how bad it is, most don’t come here to express it because of the hatred shown towards those that do express themselves.
Of course the english find nothing wrong, there on a mission to kill the french culture and language. They want power and control and will stop at nothing. When someone can say “bring it on” and have the nerve to mention a civil war that in itself is very sick indeed.
Piper who are you trying to impress….no one except your followers would be thrilled to read about galganov the radical activist who is reeling you in, hook, line and sinker. Keep donating someday he may have his court case paid off and perhaps can throw a few cents towards the FLA **s**
@ Patrick Boucher:
Patrick Boucher wrote:
“I don’t know how come no one sees HOW BAD THIS IS!!”
Really ? OK…So let’s see now …
Thinking, thinking, thinking hummmm… Thinking, thinking, reflecting, reflecting…
Yup, I got it… You are right.
We DO “SEE how bad this is.”
FIRST, we have — Quebec — A French dominated “province” that has all but outlawed the English language. Yup, we do “see how bad that is.” That’s bad, isn’t it ?
C’mon, answer the question and be honest now. (you can answer these too Stella) Does that not sound bad to you regarding the remaining English minority Canadian citizens in that province that are being told that their own language in their own country is AGAINST THE LAW?
We DO “SEE how bad this is.”
SECOND, we have a miniscule minority French speaking group within rest of the country of Canada (outside “the province” of Quebec) that has basically forced the majority English speaking group into a “MUST know situation” as far as a requirement for the ability (and not just a cursory ability either) to function in said miniscule language in order to simply have gainful employment in their own English majority dominated country.
Yup, you’re right again… We do see “how bad this is.” That is bad isn’t it ?
C’mon, answer the question and be honest now. Doesn’t that sound bad to you?
Then, THIRD, we have people like yourself (so glad you’re here btw in order to help us all to continue to formulate our arguments against those like you : -)
Yes, those like you who basically really have no way to honestly argue the truths like the ones I have just pointed out and other tragic truths we see happening in this country.
Those on your side just seem to consistently ignore those facts and point and accuse those on our side of being bigots and hate mongers etc etc etc while simultaneously not having any legitimate arguments for your side, as there really ARE NO valid arguments for your side. PERIOD.
Let’s see now… How about we take a moment to imagine (or, just look it up on YouTube) that we are listening to the latest Pauline Marois rants, or for that matter just about any politicians in THAT “province.” All we seem to hear and see is COMPLETE and utter disdain and intolerance for anything English. More anti English laws, and stronger anti English statements, and so on, and so on.
Funny though, all I have been involved with and experienced (up to now) outside of the “province” of Quebec for the last 30 years or so in most of the ROC is accommodation for the French (ie: their ability to have French only enclaves like most of Eastern Ontario and much of New Brunswick as examples), job opportunities, and an honest attempt (up to now) at fairness from the ROC given the numbers involved. C’mon, be honest, admit it… We certainly don’t see English Canadian citizens and the English language having that same respect and fairness ANYWHERE inside the “province” of Quebec, do we?
And thus, you’re right again. We do see “how bad this is”
Shucks, it seems so darn repressive for the English citizens of this country when you continue to be right like this about “how bad this is.”
PS:
Partick Boucher wrote:
“Might as well declare white Anglo Saxon the superior race.”
Darn… Yet another instance where you are right about “how bad this is.”
I don’t believe it… Right again…
Shesh…
Wait, no… Not true.. Not right this time… YOU’RE WRONG.
I don’t know anyone on our side of this that has any claims of being “superior.”
It’s just that there is a feeling that revolves around a sense of “reasonableness” concerning how few rights the English have within the “province” of Quebec along with how much power the French seem to have outside the “province” of Quebec.
But, since you’re apt to do it anyways, you can claim your right on that one too,
“just because.”
And yes, that again, does show, “how REALLY bad it is.”
Patrick Boucher and company, with regard to the township of Russell case and legal fees, let’s give it a rest. I think we all know exactly why Howard Galganov has not paid the reduced lawyer’s fee; he is under no legal obligation to do so as long as the case is in the appeal process.
And, let’s please get the amount correct, recalling that two parties filed the suit together; Galganov is not being asked to pay the entire reduced amount since the other party has been tasked with part of that, pending the outcome of the appeal process.
More info:
http://lawtimesnews.com/201206259183/Headline-News/Appeal-court-clarifies-costs-orders-against-lawyers
and
http://lawtimesnews.com/201106138498/Headline-News/Lawyer-on-hook-for-40-of-clients-costs
Wow edudyorlik!
You are so right on this issue! Thanks for standing up to these bullies. It’s funny we’re only telling the truth.
Stella would have rock artists put in jail in Canada for more than 2 years for lyrics in a song.
Stella, does this include more than 2 years or 2 years less a day if the offensive lyrics are in French?
Patrick would think that having a sign in English or French only would be offensive to the reader not being able to read it in their respective language……….he mentions nothing of course of the half million English in Quebec who are suffering under language Apartheid….
And in comes the Bleu Renard when things get too sketchy for either or. What a mess they’re in!
Looks like Pauline Marois will be the new leader of Quebec…..what then?
Thank you Cory.
And yes, it would indeed be funny if it were not so darn tragically sad.
As for Pauline Marois. I am at the point now —
after years of being involved on side with those who have tried and tried to “make this marriage work” (to use the old common expression)
— where by, I actually now believe it would be better if she does win and they do go.
It’s time.
After all, it is they themselves that self profess that they want nothing to do with Canada or the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. Plus, they also want Quebec to be totally French ONLY while the ROC is being shafted from every conceivable angle (politicians, media etc, etc, etc) with the absurd and “totally invented concept” that ROC MUST BE an officially and completely bilingual country. Where does that fallacy come from? Really ?
(And, btw, I still find it amazing how the majority English of this wonderful country have allowed that “fallacy” to get so entrenched.)
Sure, it’s great to know other languages (and BTW, I do) but, it is TOTALLY ridiculous for such a small minority to expect — and worse — “demand” that this should be compulsory in the ROC especially given the numbers which realistically should be a MAJOR component of the actual REALITY of this whole idea outside “the province” of Quebec to begin with.
Imagine the US with a small minority of say 15% Mexican population and them demanding that the president * MUST * speak Spanish in order to have that position? Thus completely eliminating the 85% majority of the population from running to be president of their own country.
That’s’ how absurd this has become here in Canada…
PLUS, this whole thing is MOST * ESPECIALLY * disturbing
since they feel it’s totally acceptable and fine to do the exact opposite within the “province” of Quebec.
Ed while I believe that there is a real issue with the policies of Canada regarding the second official language we have there really is no “Them” and “Us”. There is about as much political tie to Francophones outside of Quebec as there is between France and Quebec.
It’s complicated. If Quebecers choose Ms Marois then it is time to talk about the “Bigger Picture” again. For example should Montreal and other areas of Quebec be able to separate from Quebec?
If it’s good for the goose it’s good for the gander. If it’s about referendums and respecting the voice of the people so be it. We need more of that in this country across the board.
It’s time Canada and Canadians grew up and capped this nonsense…
Lets compare, first off let’s just say that the english language is IN NO WAY being threatened, not even in Québec. So, there is no need for a loi 101 to protect the english majority. All of west island montreal, the english language is thriving, saying otherwise just proves that you have never been to Kirkland, Pointe-Claire or Baie Durfé. (the former mayor of baie durfé is even unilingual anglo)
Give francos the same rights as anglos in Québec get:
1) give us our universities
2) More then one college
3) Every governmental document available in french.
4) Service in french in every hospital ( Because even in Québec city, you can have service in english in a hospital)
Don Smith, are you a member of LFA ? You have promoted that organization that is promising fairness, but, to achieve that it takes away rights so hardly fought by francos. Are you close personal friends with howard and beth. Were you at the barbecue ? Howard is complaining about the sign law in Russell, AND HE DIDN’T EVEN LIVE IN RUSSELL.
– si la loi ne touche pas Howard, Où est le problème ? Il nous a couté des milliers de dollars pour une action frivole. Peut-être que M. Don est millionnaire et pour lui quelques milliers de dollars ce n’est pas beaucoup, mais pour moi, c’est une énorme somme d’argent!!
Jamie, I agree with the point you have made in a previous post. I’m paraphrasing but you said that although some of us won’t admit it, We both can’t exist without the other. (Québec-Canada) I still feel insulted when I hear Pauline Marois say …au Québec et au Canada.. as if we were two different entities. But then again, why are so many of you talking about Québec. I know there is an election coming up, but is it a diversionary tactic ? Promote ¨unilingualism¨ of which is not a sin, but in my opinion it comes at the expense of darn good people that made the effort of learning Canada’s both official languages.
– le pouvoir d’attraction de l’anglais est beaucoup plus grand… 5 fois plus grand… here is proof, in 5 years, Montreal will be predominantly english.. INQUIÉTUDE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdsOMD5ND7c&feature=related
maybe on this Pauline marois had a point on stricter language laws…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdsOMD5ND7c&feature=related
Patrick I’m going to try and encapsulate this concept. In Quebec, outside of Montreal for the most part has tiny portions of non-Francophones. I would not expect hospital, government services etc to be fully bilingual. There would have to be a sacrifice of some sort and I would expect non-Francophones that live in these parts to know some French if not be bilingual.
I think that service would not be perfect and I certainly would not expect to have unilingual Anglophones in government or front line hospital positions. But I do know with today’s technologies that there are better translation tools as well. A iPad or tablet for example at registration counters or front line sections could connect the rare difficult communications system with a bilingual staffer at some other location or a central government centre.
And I expect the same concepts and practices could occur in the rest of Canada. I do not see a need in my opinion to build schools like the did in the Arctic or force hirings as they do at CCH.
There are practical and fiscally sound alternatives. Again, I do see an advantage to being bilingual. If two candidates are essentially equal and one has a second language of course I’d give preference to that person.
The status quo in many places is unfair, unrealistic, and in the end most likely unproductive. Are we a bilingual country? No. Do we have two official languages? Absolutely. Do we have to force all government and front line service worker to be bilingual to gain employment and advancement? I think not.
Mr Boucher, for someone who gets their panties in a bunch when talking on this subject, accusing others of poor debating skills, you sure like to play the game yourself. Anyone who believes differently than you or stella are in cahoots with this galganov fella, or some women who has also offened your sensibilities, or they want to get rid of all french speaking people and provinces. A little far fetched wouldn’t you think?
It reminds me of an incident that occured a while ago. On another site, when I argued in defense of the natives in Caledonia, I was called a holocaust denier? seem a bit extreme? I certainly thought so. kind of an apples to polar bears don’t you think?
If you would like to debate this topic and come off as a sane participant instead of a hyperbolic driven player then by all means, you might want to change your approach.
And in my finest stella glory I say
*s*
Other then bragging rights, what will changing the legislation do for each of you? What is in it for you personally? What have you to gain in destroying a culture. How will it change your life?
I will answer that question for you: NOTHING WHATSOEVER!!!! It won’t change a thing except to say you won….if you do. Then what? To think the country would be a much better place because of the changes is naive and absurd. Putting the blame of your demise on french culture is hog wash. It’s unthinkable to say or admit that it’s your own personal choices that got you where you are today. One must not take responsibility because it’s may come across as a sign of weakness on their part. So….let’s blame it on the french people.
So having said that, there is no valid purpose for your madness other then hating the french and wanting to destroy them. READ MY LIPS: your life will not change. It’s a power struggle for you plain and simple.
If yorlik is thinking of presenting himself as a candidate come election time….like Cory always says, he should lift his veil of anonymity. Thinking because of his views towards the french people which may hurt him come election time (as it did for Galganov) he his hiding his true identity. Most who run are not afraid to say and show who they are.
Don Smith, to be honest with you, we don’t really care about galganov’s financial woes nor do we care one iota about him. We all heard enough of him when he ran for elections…. The reason we bring his name up is because of his radical views and his conniving ways.
@ Stella: No one is trying to destroy a culture. We are just trying to see to it that our children can aspire to both the idea of gainful employment in their own country and aspiring to be the Prime Minister and or minister of the official opposition party in this country without having to have knowledge of a language that is – at best – 8% of the population.
And, what are you talking about? I am already Prime minister. Didn’t you know? It’s a done deal… : – )
And yes admin, I certainly agree that this issue is complicated, VERY COMPLICATED.
However there are two things that the great Canadian people of this country MUST ABSOLUTELY take into account and keep in mind.
Those two things are…
ONE… English Canada is a country with a historical truth that no amount of license plate rhetoric can erase or deny no matter how much anyone tries.
AND TWO…
The French “province” of Quebec is simply just that … “A province” within this great country.
To make ANY ATTEMPTS WHATSOEVER to compare the country of Canada and the “province” of Quebec is simply ridicules and is akin to trying to comparing gasoline and water. It simply should not, and CANNOT BE DONE.
Further more…
The number one job of any government is supposed to be to protect the rights and well being of “ALL” of its citizens from both domestic and foreign threat.
Yet, our government (and I add, our media) has turned a blind eye to the idea of protecting the constitutional rights of the English people inside the “province” of Quebec while at the same time seeming to be onside with the promotion and advancement of the very same group outside the province of Quebec thus creating a situation where by our sons and daughters cannot even aspire to holding public office (or for that matter seeking gainful employment) in their own country unless they can speak a language that is -at best- represented by a mere 8% of the population outside of the “province” of Quebec.
Sheer common sense would tell ANYONE that this is more than just complicated; it amounts to a downright intellectual take over of this country without the use weapons.
I take this opportunity to remind citizens of this great country that the take over of a country can be accomplished (and seemingly IS being accomplished) without a single shot being fired if one side is calculated and cunning enough to use laws and strategic placement of key figures throughout the entire system.
IE: The federal government system and the necessity for anyone aspiring to be Prime minister or official minister of the opposition party having to be completely bilingual in order to aspire to, or even contemplating the idea of applying for those positions. Inequitable…
The French leaning Liberal and NDP parties. Inequitable…
The saturation of the legal system (most lawyers and judges flow through “la university d’Ottawa. Imagine a university in the province of Ontario that actually discriminates against its own English citizens (I have newspaper articles to prove this).
Not to mention the general educational system with its concept of forced so called French immersion. Inequitable …
And, of course, once those initial positions are filled with those that are sympathetic to “that cause” they can then determine who does and does not get hired, which laws get passed or don’t get passed, and who benefits from those laws and who doesn’t.
This is similar to a tactic that was used by the Nazi’s when “attempting” to create a “pure master race.” The concept was based on the idea of control of the government, then subsequent brainwashing of the children in the schools, and then, as a result of all these sly but yet effective tactics, slowly and surely gaining total and complete CONTROL.
I quote a conversation between a a patron (Mr. Abott) and a server in a restaurant or hotel overlooking the Plains of Abraham…… to Mr. Abott “You won the battle, Mr. Abbott, but you lost the war. Your mistake was to allow us to keep our language, our culture and our religion. I can assure you that once we have power we will not make that same mistake.”
Just simply … Food for thought… And perhaps a wake up call to the English MAJORITY of this country.
Stella I hear your views and agree with you I just think there is too much attention paid to these kinds of threads.. i for one except for this one am not posting to any language elated ones anymore.. The Anglos here are nuts.. Have fun with these threads it was nice discussing with you. .i am a former Quebecer and I truly like QC still today and I go here periodically for many reasons.. Most of my friends are there as well as businesses.. I lived in a city the same size as Cornwall and what an amazing difference in city politics.. In Cornwall there are about 10 or 12 Tim’s where I lived we had three but many lovely family owned restaurants .. Here it is hard to get a really good restaurant.. and the Chinese ones should be closed.. I am off topic I realize just saying will still
read your posts Sella and Mr Boucher and a few of the other ones…
Jane Doe…seems to me I’ve heard this refrain before…and I quote: “Stella I hear your views and agree with you I just think there is too much attention paid to these kinds of threads.. i for one except for this one am not posting to any language elated ones anymore.. The Anglos here are nuts.”
Yep…little Jane Doe…save yourself….we Anglos here are nuts.
*smiling right at ya*
@ Miss McIntosh: I read it over and over every day.. Anglos here do not like Francophones or Quebecers.. Quebec politics have nothing to do with Ontario Politics or language laws.. If the Anglos in QC don’t like what is happening they will move.. There was a large mass exodus several years ago but most folks there are quite happy as long as we speak the French and I do..
Anglos here are narrow minded also.. i could go on………………..
Cory,
You do realize that all of the businesses are from the private sector in your youtube video link?
To me this shows that there are a lack of fully bilingual or french speaking candidates to fill jobs in quebec.
Are surprised that most of those people that claim to speak french are not as fluent as they lead people to beleive?
Heck, I have had some people in interviews claim to be french and answer “Oui, je parle francais tres bien!” but really they didn’t know more than a few memorized sentences nor could they write sentences a grade 4 student could write!
We all know this is a hard truth and many on this very site fall into this category!
Stop the Propaganda! This personal crusade still is without a cause!
Thank You,
Mike Bedard
Ontario is an English province and anglos, naturally, do not like francos turn it into another Quebec. If you, JaneDoe, want to live in French, move back to your home province of Quebec.
The francos are really nuts with their unreasonable demands.
@ Jane ,
Glad to hear you will no longer be posting -That’s all right it was with very little facts and more propaganda similar to stalla and Patricks.
Anglos here are nuts? Well aren’t you generalizing and categorizing?
Jane you said “folks there are quite happy as long as we speak French and I do ” well what if you dont?
Yes absolutely Quebec politics are at play here -are you that simple minded or blind to your Faith (french) not to see it constantly at play?
In Ontario we implement a policy that discriminates against the majority that 96% and alienate these people in that opportunities are lost in thier own province .
Many bilingual Ontario jobs go to Quebecers -one just need to look at the Government parking lots .
Can Ontarian’s go to work for the Government of Quebec ?
No !
If you like Quebec so much -you are welcome to return -its about to be a new country -enjoy the 3rd world status!
Let me tell you this in closing its not that anglos do not like the french people -but the Quebec politics this constant pandering. Pandering to the point of discrimination such as what happened to Chris Cameron and to the untold others like him .
I ask you this does it make sense Ontario and the rest of Canada to implement and enforce bilingualism for 4%?
In Ontario french is the 10th most spoken language -yet spend countless billions because french wont teach it to their offspring and maintain their own language?
Jane it has everything to do with politics and Quebec -to think otherwise well ……perhaps fanaticism is keeping you blind to the reality!
Oh ya stella KEEP UP THE HATE MONGERING and continue providing propaganda -we are not destroying a culture ,but asking for GOV to treat people other then french on the same level as the french.
Stella said:
What have you to gain in destroying a culture?
So….let’s blame it on the french people?
So having said that, there is no valid purpose for your madness other then hating the french and wanting to destroy them
To think the country would be a much better place because of the changes is naive and absurd.
All this is is propaganda -the Germans did a great job at it prior to WW2-a lesson learned right stella and franco rights groups?
stell-I say change is never easy especially when one is fighting a systemic oppression .but let me tell you : IT IS CHANGING!
Maybe others on here will see you and others like you for what you stand for: perhaps you should start donning white robes and burning crosses at English advocates homes.
You are no different then those deep south crackers!
@ Mike:
You may not believe in the cause,but you are the few that don’t!
“This personal crusade is still without a cause ” You said.
You obviously are not paying attention! Doyou think Chris Cameron is the only one this has happened too ?You would be quite naive to think that .
Every person in our group has been discriminated against -that is a powerful underwriting for us to make a stand and bring about positive change .
The government policies has alienated a large group of people with its unjust laws and implementation of those laws .
So mike saying “stop the propaganda “does not benefit your argument in fact it makes you look ANTI-ENGLISH and as a business manager you really do not want to alienate yourself with your English customers-or is business that good that they are not needed?
We see the side of the fence you are on -But do you believe in equality of rights?
How about representation by population?
What about merit before language ?
You disagree with the groups mandate! -For this is what they stand for !
Mike wrote:
“Cory,
You do realize that all of the businesses are from the private sector in your youtube video link?”
Sure I’ll respond though I really don’t feel like it this morning. No, Mike you’re wrong. If you had watched all of the video you would have realized that the Calgary Board of Education was included in the video as well. (Not so sure that is a private business)
You go on to say that perhaps there are not enough bilingual people to fill jobs in Quebec. As evidenced,
“To me this shows that there are a lack of fully bilingual or french speaking candidates to fill jobs in Quebec.
Well, Mike I’m not so sure I understand what you’re saying. Are you saying that there aren’t enough qualified, fully bilingual people in the province of Quebec to fill the jobs or are you saying there aren’t enough bilingual people in the ROC to fill the jobs in Quebec?
To this I can offer a variety of reasons. Let’s say there aren’t enough bilingual or French speaking candidates in Quebec itself. Well, we know that Quebec is not considered a bilingual province and focuses so much of it’s resources on the one language that perhaps it’s students are not ready for the work world when they graduate?
If French is a problem in Quebec, then what in the hell are they doing in their education system? All of this focus on one language should bring about a mastery of French by the majority of the population. (You know,I’m glad you brought up this issue. I think I’ll send another LTE to CFN today on this very subject of people who claim to be bilingual and are not! There are many people who practice this third unofficial language in Canada – one that I like to call, ‘Bilingualism’!)
If the problem is that there aren’t enough people in the ROC, than I would argue that to learn the language is not that important as evidenced by the lack of practice of the French language where there are low numbers of French speaking people in a given area. In the video, I see at one point the idea of settling many of these French nationals to areas where there aren’t many Francophones. What is the purpose of that other than to practice social engineering?
In any case, you also brought up in your blog the concept that many English people have told you in interviews that they spoke French but not very much in reality. Well, I’ve been told that they do this in desperation to get a job, and have claimed to be bilingual in order to have a fighting chance at the job. But this is not the issue at hand here. Let’s get to the core of the problem. Mike, if you have grown up in a Francophone household, you will always speak, read and write French better than myself who attended French immersion schooling. No amount of courses, tests, practice will ever make my French as good as yours, never!
Now, having said that, with our Canadian laws being the way they are, ethnic born Francophones who grow up in a Francophone household will always have the advantage (by birthright) over any Anglophone applicant when applying for a civil service job and now increasingly in the private sector as well such as what the video portrays, right? This is called a caste system Mike, and is not exactly representative of a healthy democracy!
I have spoken French as well and tried to carry on a conversation with some of these people who you claimed to have interviewed. (Oui, cet gens fais pitier) You are absolutely right Mike. Let’s be frank, some can’t function well in French at all. But it shouldn’t be the deal breaker in an interview.
@ Highlander & Mike
I agree 100%! Mike Bedard is a fool to think this is a personal crusade of only 1!!!! I think that he needs to talk to Chris Cameron on the protest lines and see the 40, 50, or 100 or so people that have the guts to stand on the line for their rights that have been and still are being discriminated against!!! The LFA group advocates for all as government discrimination runs wild nowadays. Change for fairness and equality is coming……no more than 20% bilingual in any of these jobs….representation by population!!!!!!!!!!!
This is BS Cory: I can name you about 50 people I know and that is only me who have Anglophone friends working in civil servant jobs in government in Ottawa…
Go apply there I am sure you can get in… The folks I know do not speak French at all…There are English Separatists as well as French Separatists and you are one English one for sure
Wow…..you guys are really crying in your beer this morning LOL It is terrible how the english are treated….not fair at all. I would suggest you all do what the piper suggested and start a civil war. This discrimination against the english is terrible.
So once again…….how do you figure your life and job opportunities will change and be better when this is all said and done? Other then having bragging rights, what do you have to gain personally. Do you honestly think “for example” that all employers will be busting down Chris’s door to hire him…….**s**
It is very obvious that this issue has more to do with hatred for the french culture and language then it has to do with job discrimination. By trying to get the entire country involved there is more to this then you all claim. Pathetic and disgusting!!!
Hi Jane Doe…imagine my surprise to see you are still here and posting…? How could that possibly be? Thought you had sworn off, such posting activities with the Anglos here!
Jane Doe quotes of the day: “Anglos here are narrow minded also.. i could go on………………..” and let’s not forget…”The Anglos here are nuts”.
Yep…you should save yourself…you never know, if you stay here you might be corrupted by the English here!
Afterall, we wouldn’t want the English majority to be ENGLISH right??? Am sure you and your ilk, would prefer that we become the “mini me” version of Quebec or the French minority!
You, stated and I quote: “If the Anglos in QC don’t like what is happening they will move.. There was a large mass exodus several years ago but most folks there are quite happy as long as we speak the French and I do..”.
Perhaps, you should follow your own advice! Seems to me, that Highway #401 does run in both directions does it not?
*smiling at YOU*
well Miss McIntosh I got one more point to make I know many French folks who have lived here for generation and have lost their culture and language..the present generation from those families do not speak French.. . did they bitch no they just let it all go.. with the new language laws at least it will not happen to other Francophones… They have rights to services in French and to have a French culture and joie de vie.. In case you have not mixed much with them they are easier going than many Anglos.. Now I am through with language..
This is why QC and NB did enforce radical laws I agree to protect their language and culture.. You rally do not understand..
I heard a person refer once to Eastern Ontario people as WASPS.. LOL
Mike Bedard, try to hire those imperfectly bilingual anglos and you will see how quickly their French progress, provided they would really have lots of opportunities to speak French on the job. That what the federal government does by hiring francos who could barely converse in English, let alone write a memo. Some old timers lazy “bilingual” francos cannot write intelligibly in English, perhaps neither in French. That is the hard truth.
You should be ashamed, Mike, by demonizing anglos who are angry at the double standard of hiring practices, particularly in your corrupted to the core town of Cornwall.
“This personal crusade is still without cause” absolutely Mike! The majic word to your statement is “personal” This has nothing to do with what they call “discrimination” against the CCH anymore. It has become a language battle where most who are involved have their own personal agenda. Of course the LFA couldn’t make it on their own so they desperately clung to whomever to help their cause not realizing that in the end they will be hung out to dry as they won’t be guaranteed employment in their hometown. So what is the purpose of this crusade? Stop french funding….oh ok? Then what?
It’s unbelievable what we have to do here to get people on the other side of the fence to admit to various things…
For instance, look at JaneDoe’s comment to Colleen:
“This is why QC and NB did enforce radical laws I agree to protect their language and culture..”
There you have it. Finally the admittance that what has been transpiring with these laws is considered ‘radical’.
The other side doesn’t seem to understand that whenever a group carries out its unfair will its bound to upset other groups by doing so. To have 4% of the population have a distinct advantage because of the language they speak is abhorrent to say the least.
Like I said before, some of these people believe that a good offense is the best defense….
All were asking for is fair hiring practices for all segments of the population. If someone from Africa has experience working in a gold or diamond mine and moves to Canada and his/her English or even French is not that great I believe they should get the job over a new graduate of a local community college here in Timmins. Just because of the fact that they have more experience. I think this is fair.
Mr Cameron
MORE RADICAL IN qc THAN NB.. But the French folks spoke up due the large population of Acadiains in NB and they had to fight trust me..
Stella, please stop your own PERSONAL agenda and hateful crusade against anglos. You sound like a bigot.
Well, Colleen McIntosh and Cory Cameron, look at the way that you treat Jane Doe, an English speaker like you. Just because she actually understands the situation of Quebecois and Acadians as well as that of Franco-Ontarians, you have been quite mean to her, have you not?
Indeed, Jane Doe, I wish to thank you for your steadfast support and your sensitivity. Somehow, you remind me of a young woman whom I have met a few times at the pub where I usually go. As she told me the first time, she is indeed originally from Ontario and she had studied at Concordia University. She was so happy that I had played a few French songs on the jukebox, including one by Quebec artist Jean Leloup, for, as she said, it would bring back nice memories to her from her years in Montréal. Oh yeah! She said that to me in pretty good French too.
Encore une fois, madame, vous avez toute ma reconnaissance.
@ Stella:
Once again PROPAGANDA ! That or you really do not understand English well -then perhaps you should not have your Government Job.
I said Ive talked to a number of people and they stated that they believe a civil war is coming,of which once again said I do not believe this!
stella you said:
I would suggest you all do what the piper suggested and start a civil war. This discrimination against the english is terrible.
POPAGANDA simple as that.
It is very obvious that this issue has more to do with hatred for the french culture and language then it has to do with job discrimination.
Propaganda -we want representation by population -it would be fair and equitable.
So what is the purpose of this crusade? Stop french funding….oh ok? Then what?
Job equality for all with fair representation by population-IT BEEN SAID 1000 times now -do you not understand English?
Jane said-
In case you have not mixed much with them they are easier going than many Anglos.. -how Ethnocentric of you!
This is why QC and NB did enforce radical laws I agree to protect their language and culture.
Really you believe in Bill 101 and restriction of the minority language in Quebec yet -Demand rights of french in Ontario?
Paul – you are right on -get the white gowns and start burning the crosses -persecution happens right here in Cornwall -because someone speaks up on equality and fair representation!
Blue your comment was dribble -please some facts rather then personal support for your local francophone fascist group!
@ Colleen -keep it up the fight -Eventually through providing facts and materials -people will decide for themselves and maybe perhaps we can help bring about equality for society-REPRESENTATION BY POPULATION-(MOST) just societies would not have a problem with this!
Hello Le Renard bleu…if your going to dish it…you better be able to take it!
As to Jane Doe being an English speaker…doesn’t make her English…like you, she is French.
A quote from your last post: “Just because she actually understands the situation of Quebecois and Acadians as well as that of Franco-Ontarians, you have been quite mean to her, have you not?” Wow…coming from you that’s pretty rich.
Nope…this is where we agree to disagree, again! Thanks for coming out:)
*smiling*
again, I’ll repeat myself, 0.008% of the budget. The government spends 0.008% of the budget on bilingualism… are we just complaining here on 0.008% ?
– added up yourself..2.4 billion out of a budget of roughly 300 billion.
Jane Doe, why is up to the majority to help protect a minority culture and language? Should it not be the father and mother who carries on traditions??
We have French schools, we have duplicity in government and on and on, why do we need to do more? Where is the indivdual responsibility???
Perfect Eric!
I’ll take this one step further too. The minority Francophone community could approach private businesses and wealthy individuals for funding for cultural activities.
Caisse Populaire, Desjardins, Bombardier could be approached to pay for the maintaining of cultural activities and traditions. You’re right, why is it the majority’s responsibility through taxes?
Patrick said:
again, I’ll repeat myself, 0.008% of the budget. The government spends 0.008% of the budget on bilingualism… are we just complaining here on 0.008% ?
Rights! That is what this is all about -all people’s should be treated the same !
No elite class -as what is really happening here -do we start a cast system as in India?
No one culture should have dominance over another.
Remember language only plays as small part of culture yet it is a tool used very effectively by Provincial and Federal government
to implement a discriminatory policy and hire disproportional for one culture!
Since it seems the only way some folks actually “get it”
I have decided to simply offer – an appreciative pat on back – to those who ARE speaking the truth…
I will simply” drive home” their words yet again, in an attempt to “hammer home” those “truths” that some of you “on the other side” just seem to consistently “TRY” to ignore.
@Cory Cameron
August 22, 2012 at 3:52 pm
You caught it Cory, and subsequently exposed it. Yes, “good catch.” And, you’re right. Jane Doe admitted to “the radical laws” in her statement.
Jane Doe wrote… “This is why QC and NB did enforce
“radical laws” I agree to protect their language and culture.”
And you’re right…It is “Finally the admittance that what has been transpiring with these laws is definitely ‘radical’” on “that side” of things.
AND, I was impressed with the statement you made which somewhat echo’s something I posted not too long ago, “
Cory said, “The other side doesn’t seem to understand that whenever a group carries out its unfair will it’s bound to upset other groups by doing so. To have 4% of the population have a distinct advantage because of the language they speak is abhorrent to say the least.”
Well written Cory. Pat on the back :- )
@Paul – August 22, 2012 at 1:46 pm
I enjoyed how you rightfully challenged Mike Bedard writing,
Paul wrote: “This is what the federal government does by hiring francos who could barely converse in English, let alone write a memo. Some old timers lazy “bilingual” francos cannot write intelligibly in English, perhaps neither in French. That is the hard truth. You should be ashamed, Mike, by demonizing Anglos who are angry at the double standard of hiring practices, particularly in your corrupted to the core town of Cornwall.”
— Pat on the back Paul. I must say, I deal with the genre of “francos who can barely speak English” which you mentioned on a daily basis in a huge corporation that “SHOULD BE” more English Canadian as it deals directly with the 98% of the English population of this country on a regular basis but, it has slowly been taken over by the French (head office in Montreal, Quebec). So, subsequently MANY of the front line employee’s deal with the majority English population in such a broken French dialect that I get many complaints about this all the time.
AND. Here we go… I realize this may seem odd but, I sort of have to give credit to The Blue Bird for something he wrote which touched me and gave me a slight sense of hope that there may be a possibility that there may be a chance of some possible understanding from “the Bird” at some stage.
Blue Bird wrote: “Somehow, you remind me of a young woman whom I have met a few times at the pub where I usually go. As she told me the first time, she is indeed originally from Ontario and she had studied at Concordia University. She was so happy that I had played a few French songs on the jukebox, including one by Quebec artist Jean Leloup, for, as she said, it would bring back nice memories to her from her years in Montréal.”
I say to you Blue Bird… I also have “nice memories” of the French side of my family as I was growing up in the “province” of Quebec. But, you know what? as soon as Rene and those ilk started their FRENCH ONLY crap that marked the beginning of “the change” that we now see. I now cannot even go to “that province” without feeling a sense of foreboding as to how the English are being treated there compared to how things were when I was growing up. A time (if you can remember) where, it didn’t matter if you spoke English or French (or both at the same time) when ordering your McDonalds Big Mac. But now, I can barely find a front line worker ANYWHERE in that “province” that can actually understand me or speak to me in English when I try to order ANYTHING in that “province” in English. There is a sense there that people SHOULD ONLY BE French and that’s it… If that’s the kind of division you like then, you got it… AND believe me,
(I DO understand the concept of trying to save ones culture, but using “radical laws” to crush another culture is no way to accomplish that goal and it is a VERY negative thing to do.
Oh and, for the record, I definitely used to switch to French now and then back in the day. But now, even though I could if I wanted to switch from English to French, I simply don’t NOW because, as opposed to it being a friendly choice, it is now “a forced” issue.
@Highlander. Appreciate your posts and glad you are part of this effort. Cheers…
@All other supporters, whom I may have left out, please know that it’s good that you counter with TRUTH at every opportunity in this blog because those reading absolutely NEED to KNOW the those TRUTHS.” Tell everyone you know to drop in and read.
And to all… Pls take a moment visit my YouTube page.
http://www.youtube.com/user/edudyorlik/videos
Oh and PS
@Patrick Boucher. Despite your numbers, 2.4 billion is still WAY TOO MUCH for such a small number of French that it is accommodating outside the “province” of Quebec. Those wasted dollars can attain a lot of quality health care in the ROC … Bzzzt…
And, since no one is forcing me right at this very moment,
I wish you all, une bonne journée. :- )