CFN – Is it time to boycott all things Quebec? A boycott is a severe thing; but with Bill 14 looming and the strange occurrences since the last election there that never seem to be resolved could it be best if people give La Belle Province a wide berth for awhile?
Don’t get me wrong; as a former Montrealer there are many things I still love about the once great city.
But I could go a summer without Schwartz’s and steamies if it makes a statement.
Frankly I visit “back home” less and less. It’s not just the crazed roads and constant construction. It’s not just the all too more frequent customer service issues if I dare speak “Anglais”.
It’s this darn Bill 14. It’s the fact that things became so bad in Quebec that the people of Quebec decided to grant Ms Marois a government.
In Canada we still have free choice; and frankly my choice is leaning towards making my little statement. My one little token of boycotting Quebec until after Labour Day. I think I can do it.
Yes, I’ll still visit my family; but I won’t be dining or spending any money there. Do I expect my little boycott to change anything? Not really; but imagine if millions of people did?
Politicians rely on people never doing anything no matter how badly they behave. They’re used to manipulating small groups of people to grab power. When I wrote during the student tuition protests that it simply was PQ agitation I think the election results showed how right myself and many others of the same belief were.
Quebec made its choice. In some ways I think it was a good one because people can focus on the brutally ugly culture of linguistic facism that exists. Francophones in Quebec will have to realize that the only people that can save French in Quebec are Francophones. Anglophones, and Allophones are not to blame and not the issue. It’s time to stop punishing the English language and culture hoping that Quebec will become some Francophone Mecca.
Until Quebec changes its ways the results will essentially be the same.
Now the big question is why the Federal government remains so silent on what’s happening to Canadians living in Quebec that don’t subscribe to the provincially mandated madness, and why they are abdicating those citizens rights…
Jamie Gilcig – Editor – CFN
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Facts are provided and some chose to look for loopholes. I was listening to a Quebec Radio station this morning and they said that throughout the world 800 million people can speak french, while 220 million can write in french. So this statistic makes bilingualism a good economic investment. And, if you look at it purely in canada, an investment of less then 1 % of the national budget for 20 % of the population is not such a bad thing.
@ highlander,
great, great videos,
I would like to make a suggestion regarding these videos, that both you and edudyorlik, put together. I will email edudyorlik, and run this by him.
BTW I have already emailed these videos, as I do all of them, to people from across canada and te U.S. The world will know how quebec treats it English citizens, and that Canada, turns away from assuming any responsibility for their protection and safety.
The word is getting out
Thanks, again
@ stella,
FYI: I am a highly educated , very well traveled businessman that needs very little effort to refute anything you or your allies, pierre and richard, say, given that it is never backed up, with anything other than rants and suppostion.
@ PIERRE
You seem fixated on insinuating that I am someone other than I have stated. I have been completely honest with you, but to no avail. I looked back to previous posts to find this Stephens’ and found no real similarity in style ( I noted that he never capitalized the first person reference but rather always used “i” lower case, I never have or would for that matter.
I have obviously given you to much credit and it bothers me that I missed judged you, shame on me. This will be my last exchange
directed to you, Pierre.
Elected members of all political parties receive compensation for their contribution to the public that they serve. Monies that they receive come from the taxpayers pockets. If they qualify they receive pension payments, which yes Pierre come from the same taxpayer. Separatist taxpayers do not alone support these members of Federal or Provincial jurisdictions unless it could be said that all Canadians that pay taxes are separatists. This is just one of those simple facts that paint all Canadians in the eyes of onlookers as being somewhat dim.
I stated, Pierre, that language was a divisive force in Canada and that on a world level we were alone in having taxpayers support a political body whose main agenda was to separate from the existing governance. Either you failed to understand what you read or as the others have maintained all along, you like to twist words rather than properly debate a point that you take issue with.
Your statement beginning “Some Eastern European…..” warrants only this little gem Pierre, some people still believe that the earth is flat. Say no more.
As far as the sarcasm Pierre it was completely unwarranted in our interchange, disappointing to say the least. Offense intended and as a result offense taken. Low tactic.
Caring to a fault Pierre I take my country and ALL our rights very seriously and with great emotion. French Catholic Schools and the separate school system maintain the rights given so long ago in our short history as a nation. To support another distinct system is fine as long as it is done with private NOT public funds. Public funding simply would not be fair in a MULTICULTURAL COUNTRY where a level playing field is the word of FAIRNESS.
This concludes our discussions Pierre. Thank you and best of luck with your future endeavors. Viva la Canada.
@ David,
Thank God, you have seen the light brother.
@ richard,
So, “if” your world wide french stats are accurte,( 800 million speak french and 200 million write french ) where’s the threat from the English, coming from ? According to these stats, your language is alive and well.
So why again , are the English of quebec being persecuated because of language ? How again are they a threat?
One more time richard , how ???
A lot B. S. right richard ??
well north america is a different story, statistically speaking, the french language keeps going down. (even in Québec and even with la loi 101) Peter, you’re not in any danger of being assimilated by the majority. The real freedom fighters here are Pierre, Stella and myself. 66 % of Ontario approve of bilingualism….
– Some here say it should be a question of choice, and to a point it is. Pierre, Stella and myself are providing proof that you are wrong yet you chose not to see it. Il faut arrêter de jouer à l’autruche….
@PETER
AMEN !
@ richard
Please PROVE to me, how, because a population goes down, that that endangers that population if extinction as it applies to the french in quebec ?
The Englsih population goes up and down as most langugae based societies do. There are wars, diseases, plagues et al .
You, and your ilk, have NEVER, EVER, provided one iota of PROOF that the french language WAS EVER IN DANGER OF EITHER DISAPPEARING OR NOT FLOURISHING
If there was a danger, it would have been PRIOR to 1960, and quiet revolution. This never happened , the french flourished and did extremely well, BEFORE BILL 101 and subsequent anti- English laws.
So, as usual richard, your arguments hold no water.
AS for the English not being endangered of assimilation, we are not talking about the English.
As for french population going down, , well is that the fault of the English too. You have all of the laws on your side, bill 101, bill 14 the L;office de la screw Les Anglais, and yet, according to you, you are still whinning that the french population is decreasing.
Again is this the fault of the English, that as linguistic entity you cannot mailntain your numerical levels ?
Also,Their, is a MAJOR DIFFERENCE of approving bilingulism and applying it in manner of it being french ONLY
The current application of bilingualism in Ontario, MEANS “FRECNH only”.
PUT IN THIS HONEST CONTEXT HOW MANY IN ONTARIO AND THE REST OF CANADA WOULD APPROVE OF IT THEN ?
You know very well that the stat you quoted was both misleading and inaccurate.
@ David Oldham
I’m not fixated on anything. You answered me NO, and that was good enough for me.
What happened was that either I deleted the first part of that post or Asmin did. I don’t know but you’ll notice that the post starts with a lone S and then nothing. I don’t know what happened??
Anyways , the reaon I said that, you reminded me of Stephen, is that, I’ve had I respectable exchanges him, as I believed,I did, with you, which was never the case with any of the others.
See, that’s another similarity, you share with Stephen. You say that you looked back at Stephen’s post. Well, you may have noticed that he quit debating, with me, in the same manner, that you are using now.
Your comment, as to elected members of all political parties recieving compensation for their contribution to the public that they serve… And bla,bla,bla is completely irrelevant as an explanation, to your earlier statement that the PQ was using public funds to sponsor separation.
Go back and read your posts again, David and you’ll see that it is, you, in fact, who is twisting things around because you cannot debate. What you are doing right now is COOPING OUT.
And without class, may I say? Put the blame on me. Accuse me of thinking the world is flat. LOL!
A little bit of sarcasm, is very much appropriate, espeacially considering, what I’m dealing with here.
You do not support the elected members of the Québec legislature.
The Québec electorate pays them. Ministers are paid more than simple MP’s and they all get pension. What’s your point? Oh, yeah, sorry David, I forgot, you are incapable of debate.
You would rather preach to me.
I will comment your posts, if and when I want to… If Admin does not delete me, that is.
And I will demonstrate that, the Canada, that you say, you care about, is not the democracy that open-minded Canadians have built.
You may not get it, but open-minded readers, will.
David Oldham
March 21, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Well said !
We have been debating with these closet separatists for a while now ,their only interest is of the french language no mater the impact on other cultures.
I believe all people are to be treated equal and when one is supported by the government language legislation , well all those others pay for it ,so therefore in Canada not all peoples are deemed equal.
David I have always advocated for representation by population as I and many others feel its measurable ,far and equitable.
For this I have been demonized and character assassinations have frequently occurred.
Now we see why People have not spoken up before ,a letter bomb here ,another bomb there (Quebec FLQ)-hundreds of Bombs by Rose and his gang of terrorists.
But what is truly repressive and oppressive is the statements from Pierre and Group , their approach to character assassinations.
If this is a response to a request to a fair approach any wonder people do not speak up on inequality for fear of being “labeled”.
David Oldham
March 21, 2013 at 3:34 pm
“Either you failed to understand what you read or as the others have maintained all along, you like to twist words rather than properly debate a point that you take issue with.”
Well said here and the reality is that when they debate and an issue may prove their bias ,they prefer to twist those words ,well I guess its better then the other approach of character assassination,but still the subject remains avoided.
Pierre
March 21, 2013 at 10:22 pm
“And I will demonstrate that, the Canada, that you say, you care about, is not the democracy that open-minded Canadians have built.
You may not get it, but open-minded readers, will.”
Now that he has insulted you numerous times David ,you see tha e the last act of a lost debate with Peter and his ilk.
But lastly notice how he says” You care about ” as apposed to we ,This separatist speaks out of both sides of his mouth ,Canada is not his country but believes Quebec to be his.
Well my Canada still includes Quebec and he does not like nor agree with this FACT.
@HIGHLANDER
Thank you
I was hoping that a civil debate could have continued. When lines of communication remain open extreme measures have a chance of being avoided in favour of a mutually beneficial agreement. This of course can include simply agreeing to disagree but understanding the reasoning behind the position maintained by each party.
Not liking the rules and wanting to change them mid game does not in this particular situation allow the objector the right to pick up the ball and stomp off the field.
The French separatists seem to fail to realize who was the vanquished and that they were not sent packing back to France.
They are free to leave to other places that will accept them, however taking part of Canada which belongs to ALL Canadians, well that might result in a situation that in reality none of us may want but many would be willing to fight for. Fighting may suggest extreme measures i.e. civil war however battles can be won with nary a shot fired. Canada is worth fighting for, two world wars have already established this to be undeniable true.
Thank you again.
Pierre, can you show me where the 800 million French speakers is from? It sounds high.
French speakers http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/lan_fre_spe-language-french-speakers
English speakers http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/lan_eng_spe-language-english-speakers
Thanks Eric,
Wow good links ,Richard proven wrong yet again,but then that’s common occurrence.
Stick to your propaganda ,numbers do not work in your favour.
***smile****
Have a nice day
@ Eric
You must have me confused with someone else. I’ve never wrote about the number of French speakers, in the world…
But, what’s your point?
Don’t quote me, but I believe that it’s about 1/2B.
@ highlander
You and your clan {MODERTATED} are the ones who have been defending long held Canadian values… As we say en Français: ” C’est pas fort”.
Again, you are the one who does’nt believe in representation by population because that’s what we have, in Canada.
Most everyone understands that . But, As we know, all is not perfect, in this imperfect world.
So, we have fair representation by population when we have the qualified manpower to provide that representation.
Give, our readers, a concrete example of us, (the good guys) twisting the words, in a debate, because the facts prove our bias.
If you can, which I doubt, because, you are just fabulating again.
I will debate this point with you, because, it’s easy to show, that providing facts, that disprove your opinions, is what, you call ”twisting”.
You say that I do not agree with the fact that Canada still includes Québec.
Scroll back, and find a single word that would support that allucination, of yours.
The fact is, you are the separatist here because, if your effort was ever to materialize, Canada would break up.
{MODERATED}
@ David Oldham
What, I believieve is that you wanted me to do is, buy your sugar coated affirmations which are the same as the rest of the nightmare clan.
I was civil with you because I treat people as they treat me.
But the truth of the matter is, facts do not support your opinions and when I exposed it, you caved in.
You are the one who picked up the ball and stumped of the field.
It’s all right there, in your posts,
You coped out. But instead of showing a little bit of class, you pretend that I insulted… LOL.
And you talk about war.
{MODERATED}
I apologize Pierre, it was Richard tremblay who was talking of 800 million French speakers and 200 million French that write it. So speaking is easier is than writing perhaps, that is great news for people taking language testing…..
My point was his numbers were wrong or misguided, but business people want to make a buck, if changing the packaging will get it they will. Except in Canada where they are forced to take the hit. I have been seeing Quebec going uni-lingual a bit as of late with products coming to Ontario by the way.
Anyway Bill 14 has to go http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/03/22/barbara-kay-quebecs-bill-14-is-a-pathological-attack-on-the-sin-of-speaking-english/
Pierre March 22, 2013 at 12:11 pm
“Again, you are the one who does’nt believe in representation by population because that’s what we have, in Canada.”
So how is 65% of the federal government being bilingual-equal representation by population?
Francophone-23% ,so 300% more hires to serve that population?
That is simply social engineering,no question of it.
Think of this Anglophones represent approx 15-17% of the population of Quebec yet .002% work for the Quebec government.
Yet francophones in Ontario which encompases 4% of the population has 65% of the provincial hires.
Wake up people if your English you are a second class citizen,
Welcome to Canada’s DIRTY LITTLE SECRET.
Great Article Eric.
A snippet from there say’s the following…
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“To this end Bill 14 would co-opt all public institutions, municipalities, school boards, unions, private enterprises and even ordinary Quebecers as participants and – not to put too fine a point on it – occasional spies in the great common project of suppressing English. That the project would radically diminish the freedoms and quality of life of non-francophones seems irrelevant, perhaps even a matter of satisfaction, to this government.”
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Now, i know there is some supposed etiquette about not comparing things to the Nazi’s and how they persecuted the Jews and how they kept them (or tried to) in check but, man-o-man does this not have the same taste and feel to it.
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Seriously, these words and concept can be taken directly from that era.
Let’s face it…
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What began as a simple, and i might add somewhat reasonable request that Canada provides service in French within the federal government to it’s Francophone population has now been twisted, warped and turned into an all out mantra which is attempting to brainwash all Canadians into believing that this country — is AND MUST BE — fully bilingual. (which we know to them means French first or French only).
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Through sheer force of strong-arm will, along with heaps of doublespeak and deception, they are further selling this concept on the world stage as well.
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Edudyorlik, you are right about selling a concept……
Page 233 of the 2013 Budget
Renewing the Roadmap for Canadas
Official Languages for 2013 – 2018
Economic Action Plan 2013 proposes continued support for the Government s new Roadmap for Canada s Official Languages
(2013 – 2018).
Canada’s two official languages are an integral part of our country’s history and culture as well as our identity as a nation. The Government is committed to supporting official languages through its new Roadmap for Canada’s Official Languages
(2013 – 2018).
The new Roadmap represents an ongoing commitment to enhance the vitality of Canadas official language minority communities and contribute to a strengthened linguistic duality. The new Roadmap also emphasizes the importance and benefits accruing from our two official languages to national identity and promotes that immigrants master at least one official language to continue to contribute to Canadas development and prosperity
Oh, and you remember that MP Mauril Belange is on the Road map committee and his chief of staff is an executive on a Francophone association.
@ pierre,
What is your definition of representation by population ?
How come , if everyone understands representation by population, that you are the “only” one who has it wrong ?
All is not perfect in an imperfect world. Boy, that is deep pierre.
because the facts prove your bias? Oh. so you are bias ??If I can ,which I doubt, because you are “fabulating again”
pierre, how come you never responded to my posts of march 4th. at 1:27 and 8:18 p.m. ?
David, captured the very essence of your rants and prejudices, as others did here. I am glad you post pierre, because you are the poster boy, when i forward your comments across Canada and the U.S., for all this is quebec . When logical , educated and people of common sense everywhere, read what you write, after, they have stopped laughing, they are sad for you.
pierre, you are more to be “pitied” than than consoled
BTW: I thought members of the “fraud squad” were ordered , by the french lobby groups to boycott this site. You guys may be in “real trouble” after having been exposed to the ENGLISH .
After all logic and reason might have rubbed off.
Here is one article that says 220 million speaks french. Tried to find the proof of what I heard on the radio station. I did say I head it, but it doesn’t sound too much out of the realm of possibility. If he said, 800 can speak in french, maybe they aren’t very fluent but they understand it. Granted, the stat I heard did sound exaggerated.
http://etudiant.lefigaro.fr/les-news/actu/detail/article/220-millions-de-personnes-parlent-francais-hors-de-france-1468/
– We are back to representation by population and that in an sense sounds fair on paper. What if representation by population neglects a minority ? We should’nt conform to the will of the majority just because they have more individuals. What if the will of the majority made no sense ? Took away individuals rights ?
– Some anglophones in Quebec perpetuate the fear that they are being discriminated against. They are not. You can live very well in Quebec without speaking a word of french. The CEO of la caisse de dépot for example. The former mayor of baie durfé was unilingual anglo. Language laws are simply trying to protect a language and granted they are not working…they should be strengthen …
@ richard
“What if representation by population neglects a minority?
OH, like quebec neglects the English .
“What if the will of the majority made no sense?
OH, like quebec
“Took away individual rights “?
Oh like quebec
quebec’s treatment of the anglophones in quebec:
1) they are forbidden “by law” not to post signage “IN ENGLISH
2) They are the targets of a government that openly encourages francophones to “rat out “(squeal) on anglophones if they find signage in ENGLISH. Real gutsy aren’t they, but very typical of quebec. They do it behind’s one’s back.
3) The education of the English is SEVERELY RESTRICTED in quebec. Since 1970 over 75% of English schools have closed because of language legislation.
4) The official language in business is french, making it illegal to use not only one of Canada’s Official languages , but the world’s “international language.” Classy eh richard.
5) murders, violence and intimidation has been consistently used against anyone who promotes English in quebec. Violence is a way of life to keep les Anglais in line. James Cross, Pierre LaPorte, Howard Galganov, and most recently Mayor Gendron Of Huntington quebec and his wife.
I think you get my point. I can go into minute detail concerning these and other incidents in quebec’s glorious history, like a sick child’s father being told that by the para medic on the scene,that he would not speak English to the father even though it may have saved her life. The word “pasta” being a threat to the french language.
The fact that no jurisdiction in the western hemisphere has a quasi police force going around measuring English letter size to conform with a racist and discriminatory law.
How well are the English treated in quebec richard,? Say again.
Tell us again, how wonderful this xenaphobic, racist society is to the English ?
Tell us again richard, people all over the world will now see how quebec treats citizens it does not consider quebecois.
As previously stated real classy richard , real classy
Eric March 22, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Well isn’t that convenient?
I would think because of chief of staff has a vested interest he would remain biased .
Could it be a conflict of interest ?
Hi folks did you know that over 750 French language advocate groups are sponsored by various forms of government?
How about it be fair and sponsor 750 English language advocates groups in Quebec?
That’s right a wopping 50 million spent in Quebec for bilingualism(15-17% Anglos).
Ontario spends this year 760 million for bilingualism (4% francophones).
Why does Ontario spend 1300% more on bilingualism then Quebec? That’s because Quebec does not believe in bilingualism ,so why must the rest of the country?
Richard tremblay March 22, 2013 at 6:14 pm
“What if representation by population neglects a minority ? We should’nt conform to the will of the majority just because they have more individuals. What if the will of the majority made no sense ?”
What like what happens to the English in Quebec?
So the English should not co.form to the francophone majority in Quebec?
Yes the will.of the majority in Quebec does not make sense
Your statement Richard speaks so true of Quebec.
“Some anglophones in Quebec perpetuate the fear that they are being discriminated against. They are not.”
Richard Do you converse with Anglo’s that live in Quebec?
Well our group does regularily ,several times a week ,you really have no concept how big this really is .
Think of all the stuff we post and its just the tip of the iceberg.
Our group like others are in the many thousands that communicate weekly and growing with the likes of marois and you yes you Richard your behavior has as well as others on here encouraged more people to make a stand .
Honestly thank you.
Highlander
@ Eric
Richard’s numbers were wrong.
It happens to everybody, once and a while.
But, I don’t see the importance the number of French speakers or writers, has to do with our discussion.
And, if Québec is going unilingual, as you say, they sure are going at it, in a stupid way.
Up to the last budget there was more English teaching, to the francophone students, than there was French teaching, to the Anglos.
The government had to put an end to the English only half year program, in sixth grade of the French school system because of a lack of qualified teachers. That evened out the teaching of their second language, to all the kids
I don’t mean to be put you down Eric because you’ve been respecful lately but, you and, it seems, all other Anglo posters need to stop getting your information, about Québec, from Anglophone media commentators especially from the National Post, because just like some radio broadcasters, those people are paid to excite you because it sells newspapers.
I believe that it causes a lot more trouble than it solves.
I can understand that freedom of the press is an important value nevertheless, I’m an advocate for meaningfull standards to be imposed on Canadian media before they drive half the canadians crazy… They already have in some cases.
I don’t think that the nonsesse we read, in newspapers, nowadays, is what the Fathers of Confederaton, wanted to enshrine, in the Declaration of Rights.
Did you know, that there is much more control on opinion, in Québec newspapers?
You are not allowed to put down other provinces, in Québec newspapers, as you are allowed, to put down Québec, in English papers. Check it out.
I wonder why, and I must say, that it sometimes smells like a rat, to me.
I’m not big on surfing the net in an attempt to prove my opinions but,
it’s been brought up, so many times, that statistic show that the francophone unjustly control the FPS and it just seemed so ridicullous to me, that I had to check it out.
Remember that I told you a while back that the numbers of Francophone was higher in the FPS, because there was more bilingual francophone than Anglos, but that it was only a matter of time, before the anglos catch up.
I said that because it made good sense knowing, that Anglos were learning French at a ROAD RUNNER’s pace.
Well, the stats prove me right.
The Anglos had always dominated the the FPS until the late seventies. The Francophone took over, not in numbers, but in proportion to the population, the ratio.
In 1983, 27.3% of the FPS was Franco.
That number kept on climbing
In 2003, it was 29.5%
But it has been declining since then
In 2008 it was down to 29.4%
In 2011 it was down to 29.2%
And It will always be going down as more and more Anglos are qualitie to work in the Bilingual Federal Public Service.
@ pierre,
I was in education in quebec for 21 years.
The number of English schools in quebec “declined ” by 75% since 1970, as a direct result of bill 101. case closed.
Canada, has no such thing as a DECLARATION OF RIGHTS. the fathers of confederation NEVER ascribed to that document.
Glad to see you are “really doing your homework ” pierre, , where do you get this stuff from ? it is pure nonsense.
quebeckers would know “rats” if they see them, since the government designated all francophones as squealers ( or Ratting out ) English citizens for going about making an honest living, by advertising in English
” I am not big on surfing the net to prove my point”, are you kidding me pierre? You admitted to me that is where you get all of your information, especially from “Wikepedia” Please see previous post when I ask you to reply to my posts of March 4th.
pierre, you have got to be kidding right ? you are joking posting your last post. tell the truth, you can’t be serious and expect ANYONE , even your “squad fraud allies” to believe this.
@ David,
See what I mean ?
And so the show must go on…..
What were to happen if we squealed and ratted out Stella, Pierre and others to the Office québécois de la langue française for debating with us in English?
It seems to me their using way, way too much of the English language anyways nowadays. I think it’s time I lodge a formal complaint as a concerned citizen married to a Franco-Ontarian!
Perhaps they’re ‘closet’ LFA supporters?
I just don’t know…..
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151498051259486&set=a.10150549109714486.391373.42120959485&type=1&theater#!/FrenchfortheFuture
French for the Future? As the above webpage dictates?
French language education is the best choice for your child’s future. http://www.elfontario.ca/en/campaign.html
Propaganda; pure and simple!
This is clearly a one language agenda. And the federal government is supposed to be promoting bilingualism. Why has the federal government sponsored this one official language when both English and French are supposed to be equal in standing?
Hence, does the government not believe in promoting both official languages equally? Therefore, this is not about the promotion of bilingualism but about the promotion of one language. Does the government sponsor the equivalent of an, ‘English for the Future’ in Quebec?
Okay, so let’s examine this. We now have the exporting of French only this and that being applied to two of the most important facets in determining one’s future. That being, education and employment. This folks, is social engineering 101 that is being pushed by French language activists.
Maslow’s hierarchy of needs doesn’t include the need to learn, French, English or any other language for that matter.
So the government of Ontario would rather cut social benefits and increase funding for the FLSA. (French Languages Services Act). Does this Liberal Government deem language services more important than housing, feeding and clothing those unfortunate people on social assistance? Tell the mother of a baby who’s going to bed hungry every night that they cannot eat due to the fact that the exporting of a French social engineering project is more important than putting food in one’s mouth. Sorry little Sally but you’ll take pride and happiness knowing that although you’re hungry tonight, you’ll be able to someday soon describe that you’re hungry in French. And then maybe, just maybe, you’ll get something to eat.
On basis of their actions then, and according to very irresponsible decisions by governments at both of our provincial and federal levels, support of a language then is deemed paramount to more important needs such as food. Why would social services be cut however bilingual funding be increased year after year?
In Timmins alone, the infrastructure requires approximately 100 million to upgrade to normal conditions. The mayor has approached Queen’s Park for help most recently.
My wife thought it was a good idea a couple of months ago to bring her girl guide group to the Timmins Food Bank to educate them on what this social service does. According to officials, the tally is that 8,000 people use the Timmins Food Bank at least once a month. This is for a city with a population of 43,165 as of(2011). This means that approximately 1 in 5 people in the City of Timmins requires help from an external source in sustaining themselves! And this fact comes along at a time when Timmins is apparently one of the cities in Ontario experiencing growth and much potential.
It’s time for our governments to start getting their priorities straight. It’s time for responsible government.
Take care everyone this weekend,
Cory
oh but I do howard. I have anglo friends in Quebec and they are all fully bilingual. Ever since you moved from Hudson, have you ever been Back to Quebec ?. I have been to hudson, kirkland, pointe-claire, baie-durfé (et j’en passe) and not once have I seen language being a problem. You see I actually go in Québec. I don’t go by word of mouth.
No rights have been taken away from anglos in Quebec. YOu can still post signs and express yourself in english. (as evident in bill 86) Your perpetuating a myth howard… Anglos are fine in Québec, and with racist comments such as ¨teach it to your own¨ Well, its not helping my cause or yours.
@ Richard Tremblay
Bonjour.
You’re right in saying, 22, 13, 6:14 pm, that the rights of minorities cannot be allowed to be subjected to the whims of the majority.
That truth was first expressed by the great philisopher and democrat, Alexis de Toqueville, in the first half of the nineteenth century.
Having said that, I believe that too many ‘Québecers’ can live in Québec without having to ever speak a word of French, because a minority imposing it’s language, on an unwilling majority, is not a right, in Québec, or in the Anglophone provinces, of Canada… I know, I know, that statement, is probably, going to need more explaining to those who denie.
The unilingual anglophone of Québec, is not only doing himself a disservice, he is doing the French language a disservice because it needs to be strengthened and not fragilized.
@peter
Education must have been very poor, in Québec, for 21 years.
Everybody knows that many Anglos left Québec in the seventies.
Many Francos left too.
That’s old news
Some of them left to work in oil rick Alberta, others in the financial center that Toronto had become.
Some left because they could not handle the Francophone standing up and claim the rights that always belong to a majority.
Some stayed because they could… Alleluia, Allelujiah.
I’m looling at framed copy of :
”DECLARATION CANADIENNE DES DROITS”
It is right there, on my wall. It was given, to my father, for services rendered, by :
Le très honorable John G. Diefenbaker,
Premier ministre du Canada,
Débats de la Chambre des Communes, le premier juillet, 1960.
It’s a law, well :
”LOI AYANT POUR OBJET LA RECONNAISSANCE ET LA PROTECTION DES DROITS DE L’HOMME ET DES LIBERTÉS FONDAMENTALES. STATUTS DU CANADA 1960, 8-9, CHAPITRE 44
SANCTIONNÉE LE 10 AOÛT, 1960.
You should really give it up, peter. Your fight makes no sense.
Pierre please explain your comment.
“The government had to put an end to the English only half year program, in sixth grade of the French school system because of a lack of qualified teachers. That evened out the teaching of their second language, to all the kids”.
Pierre March 23, 2013 at 9:41 am
” I believe that too many ‘Québecers’ can live in Québec without having to ever speak a word of French, because a minority imposing it’s language, on an unwilling majority, is not a right, in Québec, or in the Anglophone provinces.”
You say a minority imposing a language on an unwilling majority ,is not right but yet that is what is happening in the rest of Canada with the French language ,but yet you agree with this.
You speak with forked tounge there Pierre.
You cannot have it both ways unless your intent is still to prioritize the French language.
@ pierre,
This is just too easy. Yours was a direct reference to the “fathers of Confederation” not John Diefenbaker.
quebec education has indeed suffered since I left, and when many other great anglo educators left as well. I believe, education is now at the bottom of the heap, similar to the quebec economy.
@ pierre post on March 22 at 9:12
” I am not big on surfuring the net to prove my opinions”
@ pierre post on March 17th.
How can I answer you when you ( Peter) “deny any proof on the internet or wikapedia”
So on one blog, you say you don`t like surfing the net, and on another, you use for information. Which is it pierre you do or you don`t
“@pierre,
the oil industry in Alberta had its boom in the 80`s pierre, and it was in the late 70`s AFTER the bill 101 became law that there was an anglo mass exit. There was also many, many businesses that left as well. Sun Life, Marsh McClennon, Redpath sugar, Belding Corticell, the NHL. and the three M`s ( NOT THE THREE M COMPANY pierre), TD trading center, davy ship yard head office, steel wheel and whole host of other companies, that NEVER came back ( head officies) and cost the quebec economy, billions in lost revenue, that they never recovered from
This allowed Toronto, to become Canada`s wall street and not Montreal as it was previously. It also costs the french thousands of jobs as well. Funny, no where in P.Q. literature is this fact ever mentioned.
Why is that pierre, richard, stella
@ richard,
you still, surprise, surprise“, have not answers my questions from my previous post march 22nd. 8:05 p.m. How come ? since you were the one that brought up these issues.
@ cory, Edudyorlik, Highlander, david, Eric, Rosie,, et al.
I would lik your suggestions as to how we can organize our issues, so that all the feddral M.P.’S see what we see here on these videos, tha tare very well produced. As well, I would like them to be very aware of what the stats are here regarding forced bilingualism and quebec’s treatment of the anglos.
I would like to ask them, why they shy away from legitimate issues concerning over 1 million of its citizens. What is their take on how they can justify “forced bilingualsim” . Why is it, they are not speaking out on issues like te french para medic in quebec, refusing to speak English to a father of a very sick child ?
What say you, Mul Cair, What say you Mr. Harper ?What say you Trudeau ? What about PASTAGATE ? What about a freely elected mayor of Huntington quebwc, that has stood up to the language cops? Why did the feds not even comment on the fact he and his wife”s home and car were vandalized , and thier very lives put in jepodary?
What about that,? Where were our federal politicinas ?
if the reverse happened, you bet your bottom dollar, that the french and the feds would be all over this.
Where are our federal poiticians, that we pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to in order to be proteted. Where was the protection for the people I referred to above ??
Where Mr. Harper ? Where Mr. Mclcair ? Where Mr. trudeau ? where are any of them ????????
Canada’s DIRTY LITTLE SECRET, IS A SECRET NO MORE.
@ pierre
Why don ‘t you answer my posts from march 4th. at 1:27 and 8:18 p. m. pierre ?
How come you DUCK these issues pierre ?
Why do you not recognize the fact it was your own premiers that SOLD OUT TO THE ENGLISH pierre?
Why are thousands of francophones “leaving” quebec to find much greener pastures elsewhere , specifically to get their children educated in ENGLISH . Well pierre ?
Maybe, just maybe, this is one of the reasons that the french language, is declining . The very law that was set up to protect it, is in actuality the same law that is causing francophones to leave pierre.
You know pierre, although you and your “fraud squad” think this is protection for the french language, it is not. In fact it is harmful to the francophones most of all. You see piree they have no where to go, but we do
cory wrote: Hence, does the government not believe in promoting both official languages equally?
No need to promote the english language…..you are the majority….remember? What is there to promote?
Richard wrote: Anglos are fine in Québec…….absolutely right. My friends who live in Montreal can’t speak a word of english and are doing just fine…..pas de probleme. Leurs histoires sont tellement exagerees…..c’est ridicule!!
opps…..can’t speak a word of french that is.
I have two words…
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Double speak
AND
Ridiculousness
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Hey, speaking of ridiculousness, check this out…
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abOWJkf-Vh8&hd=1
Yup there is that imaginary friend ,yet hundreds our groups talk to say otherwise .
Why not promote English is is the other forgotten yet forbidden in Quebec official language.
stellabystarlight March 23, 2013 at 7:10 pm
” No need to promote the english language…..you are the majority….remember?What is there to promote?”
See folks that statement says it all ,its not about bilingualism as that is not was is promoted,but one language ,but being we have 2 official languages why not promote both equally as there are many immigrants and Quebecers that do not speak English.
@ Peter,
My suggestion is to unify our 20+ groups with a protest with as much people as possible on Parliament Hill sometime this summer.
I think we should have representatives from all over Canada show up who have been personally been impacted by these laws.
I also think that we should have more meetings with elected representatives over this issue affecting us all.
My brother and a delegation met with James Moore a year ago and even James Moore admitted that bilingual policies aren’t working. And this admission from him should at the very least give pause for Canadians from Coast-to-Coast-to-Coast to consider having an open, honest discussion about this program.
Personally, I think all language laws should be scrapped altogether in Canada or anywhere else for that matter. Because as we’ve seen, as soon as you legislate a language, you are automatically propping up that language to the social and economical detriment of all others.
As I’ve stated earlier, we have more pressing matters affecting our citizenry than legislating language. I think as Canadians we have to look to our Southern neighbours a bit more to consider real world solutions to some of the problems affecting our country.
In any case Peter, I think a mass demonstration is in order. But we will need outside help from other countries as elected officials in our country are for the most part sellouts to Pro-French fascists hellbent on a totally French Canada. I have realized that our majority hasn’t speaken up against this and I cannot blame them. For years I was also asleep to all of this. I was way too busy thinking that by becoming bilingual I was doing myself both a professional and personal favour. Little did I know that in reality; this entire program (bilingualism) was an agenda to ensure French language dominance within our country. And I have to admit, that’s not even my main problem with all of this. My main issue with it is that not content with total dominance, French fascists are attempting to eradicate the English language entirely from our country.
As a student of history, I’m sure you’ll recall this mantra spoken by several million in Germany during the 30’s and 40’s:
“Today Germany, tomorrow the world!”
I think it is save to assume that with the politics of today, I can hear Marois shouting:
“Today Quebec, tomorrow all of Canada!”
If eradicating the English language from Quebec and Canada were not the PQ’s and some federal politician’s prerogative, then why would Marois and her separatist followers be instituting language laws outlawing the use of the English language in all facets of society?
Further, why would Ontario and Federal Government programs support French only this or that? Or the pushing of French only this or that.
“French for the Future?”
“French language education is the best choice for your child’s future.”
French only health clinics (Centre de Sante Communautaire)
French only school buses (Alexandria Ontario)
Bilingual (French hiring prerogatives for government civil service positions) (Job postings from Coast to Coast to Coast)
The importing of citizenry from French countries into Canada for all things jobs in Canada (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KQlxn7NreU) This last one was/is for you, Peter. I’m not sure if you’ve viewed this before.
Only idiots would ignore such blatant anti-English stances and think that everything is peachy in Canada – ignoring that storm clouds have already arrived over the horizon and that the rain has already begun to shower us.
Mark my words, if nothing is done now and our politicians ignore what we’re advising them, civil war will ensue.
But they can’t say we didn’t warn them, though.
Cory
Stella, c’est vrai. All the ones that bitch and complain about language rights in Quebec don’t live in that province. Not sure who it was but, think it was pete that asked me a question about anglos being persecuted in Quebec. Sorry if I didn’t answer, although I love CFN, don’t get a chance to read all the posts. I’ll answer like you:
1) To compare francophones to murderers is an exaggeration to say the least. And to put pierre laporte and james cross with the name of howard G is a complete farce. They both are victims of terrorists howard G is not a victim. ANd on top of everything else he left the province of Quebec because of fiscal problems. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Galganov
2) Have you ever been in Quebec ?Its frustrating because I believe you just go by word of mouth or by the biased media.
3) As I have said in the past, you can achieve great success in Quebec without speaking french. (I have given 2 very good examples of individuals in my previous) Can you name a unilingual francophone from Ontario or any province for that matter that has achieved the same success of the two individuals I posted.
@ “fraud squad”
Why do you people never address the concerns raised by you , when you are proven wrong, time, and time, and time again ??
pierre where are your response to my questions?
richard, where are you, again where are the responses to my questions ??
stella, you I can excuse from answering , because that would require research on your part, and you don’t do research right?? You just “wing it” Right stella ????
Right.
@PETER
Saw this on CTV..
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/drop-the-english-dictionary-quebec-comedians-parody-language-police-1.1208033
@ Rosie
See, if you would read the French papers, you would not have to ask me to repeat, what was all over the news, in Québec and in the last budget.
The language policy, in Québec, for education, is that all students, (Francos & Anglos), be fully bilingual at the end of high school.
So, all kids start learning their second language, in the first or second grade. They do so because, some believe, that kids brains, being like spongers, the younger they start to learn the faster and better, they will be bilingual.
As if that was not enough, the Charest government, I believe it was in 2011, ordered that for half the year (5 months) of the sixth grade French school system, all the courses (history, geography, mathematics, etc.) had to be given in English.
Of course that turned out to be a disaster because, in most regions of Québec except Montréal and Gatineau, they just did’nt have the
teachers qualified to teach all the courses in English.
So, the PQ cancelled that requirement, last November…
Charest never had required, that for half the year (any year), in the English school system, all the cources had be held in French.
With that requirement gone, all kids, in Québec, start to learn their second language in the first or second grade.
That why, I said, that, that evened things out.
@ peter
Ah peter, peter, peter
You’re splitting hairs. What’s wrong with you? don’t answer that, I know what’s wrong with you.
The point was that the English media is abusing the Canadian Declaration of Rights that the Government of Canada, led by Diefenbaker, passed in 1960…
The Fathers of Confederation passed on the British system of Rights thus inshrining it… Meaning that is the system that we have been living under, since Confederation.
You like to call us the fraud squad.
That’s the kind of tactics usually used by people who are deprived of reasonable, logical and supported arguments.
Provide us with one example where we have been dishonest or deceptive or said anything that is not supported by most of the country.
You(s) cannot. You can only fabulate.
Quebec mayor blasts language legislation to international audience
http://www.lfpress.com/2013/03/23/quebec-mayor-blasts-language-legislation-to-international-audience#.UU7cPLF8588.facebook
Huntingdon Mayor Stephane Gendron
Was this not the same Mayor that had his house and car vandalized ?
What freedom of speech encourages the radicals to violate his rights ?
edudyorlik
March 23, 2013 at 9:39 pm
Once again a great video ,very informative
David Oldham
March 24, 2013 at 8:09 am
Yes the groups received this video a while back -it’s hilarious but does send a message.Thanks for posting it.
Richard tremblay
March 23, 2013 at 11:54 pm
“Have you ever been in Quebec ?Its frustrating because I believe you just go by word of mouth or by the biased media.”
“All the ones that bitch and complain about language rights in Quebec don’t live in that province.”
Richard are you not paying attention!!! Most of what we post comes from Quebecers REALITY CHECK ,Deny,Deny,Deny.
Whether they live in Quebec or not is not the issue, they are speaking up and making others aware of the human rights violations within Canadian borders (Quebec).
” To compare francophones to murderers is an exaggeration to say the least. And to put pierre laporte and james cross with the name of howard G is a complete farce. They both are victims of terrorists howard G is not a victim. ANd on top of everything else he left the province of Quebec because of fiscal problems. ”
Nobody compared all Francophones to murderers just that the extremist for the french language have used terrorism to enforce their beliefs .
Hundreds of bombings and threats terrorized the whole community not just English.
Yet the perpetrators were considered as hero’s by French language activists,but to many others they remain terrorists.
Howard G had been threatened (terrorized) on many occasions and for 1 1/2 years he had to have armed security for his protection.
One can only live in an environment as such without having numerous negative impacts on their lives.
“terrorism”- the use of terror and violence to intimidate
“terrorize”-to terrify;to control by terror
Webster’s English Dictionary – OOP’S now the language police will issue me 2 years French Language Education.
So yes by definition Richard, Howard G was a victim of terrorism!
Really not that bright Richard but you are in good company with Stella and Pierre.
@ richard,
I am glad you directed your comments to stella, she, and pierre, would be the only ones that would buy into your nonsense.
Again, you blatently did not answer the questions that you your self posed:
“What if representation by population neglects a minority” ?
It does , in quebec, English is not only neglected, IT IS OUTLAWED
“What if the will of the majority makes no sense”?
It doesn’t make sense in quebec. Trying to take one of Canada’s “official” languages ( English ) and outlawing it makes no sense. The details are too lenghthy to list here.
“Took away rights” ?
quebec has tken away a communityy’s right to “freely ” communication in their language of choice ENGLISH.
Notice the word FREELY . I am not talking about causal conversation, but the right to earn a living, the right to UNRESTRICTED EDUCATION, AS HAPPENS IN THE REST OF CANADA. The right of francophones to educate their children in ENGLISH
These are the issues that you asked me about , and I responded in kind about quebec, and their treatment of minorities.
AS for Cross, LaPorte, they were murdered IN THE NAME OF LANGUAGE . Mr. Galganov, was threatened, in Montreal, he had to hire body guards for himself and his family. This is “common knowledge” The link here, is NOT a COMPARSION .
Th eink between LaPorte, Cross, and Galganov, is one of violence,and the constant THREAT OF VIOLENCE when one stands up for the RIGHTS OF THE ENGLISH. Laporte and Cross, athough in past, the tactics of violence and threats are still in use today.
That is what I was trying to show. And its TRUE
It is goes on to this day : Mayor Gendron of Huntington quebec, was threatened , his home vandalized , and his wife’s car trashed. This was because he stood up for the 45% of anglos that voted him in office to allow communiction IN THE eNGLSIH LANGUAGE, REGARDLESS OF THE RACIST AND OBSENSE LAWS THAT EXIST IN QUEBEC.
I lived in quebec for 40 years, I forgot more than you know richard. I can quote you quebec histary their “fore fathers” the treaties that have made up and dominated both Canada and quebec. I have half my family residing in Montreal. I know more about quebec, its culture and people that you can ever imagine, including the very first separatist, Honore Mercier, you know richard, the bridge. I can take you to more eateries and restauants, sporting venues, golf cources etc. than you know.
So please, I need no lessons from you or anyone else about my home “province”.
As for succeedding in quebec, without knowing youe friends, that is NOT what this is about. Its about TOTAL AND COMPLETE RESPECT for the language and culture. It is about FREE CHOICE, not dictorical rule by language cops, bill 101 and the like.
it is about being able to be TREATED AS THE FRANCOPHINES ARE, not to be made to feel like second and third class citizens in their own province , richard.
You refer to, 2 success stories, big deal, I can also say there were 400,000 anglos that have left quebec since bill 101.
There are additional francophones that are leaving quebec, very, quietly , to have the “choice” of educating their children in English, elsewhere. This is not made public, is it? I also have francophone friends that are appalled at what they see is goin gon in quebec, and have left.
Bottom, line, no jusisdiction anywhere in the western world, has ever FORCED ITS LANGUAGE BY LAW, on a segment of its poulation. No democratic entity, anywhere in the western world, has to have quasi-police running around looking for ‘ILLEGAL lettering ” and English signs.
No democratic jurisdiction anywhere, “except nazi germany”, has told its citizens to squeal ( RAT OUT) fellow citizens for the use of a common language( ENGLISH ) to a nation ( canada)
That’s your quebec, richard, and despite what you may believe ,from the feds here, despite what you think, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN IN ONTARIO, OR THE REST OF CANADA
We the people wil NO ALLOW it. Like I hAVE said, we are oly in the pre-game warmup phase of OUR FIGHT.
@
eVERYONE,
Please forgive my spelling errors, As I stated previously I have very, very, bad eyesight.
Apologies to all
Peter.
Thank you for the response Pierre. I hadn’t read the French papers; I do not live in Quebec. But I find this very interesting that you mention ” that in most regions of Québec except Montréal and Gatineau, they just did’nt have the teachers qualified to teach all the courses in English so it was cancelled”. Do you have any idea how it is here currently in Ontario when it comes to the supply of French teachers? Nobody is cancelling anything here. The push is still on and so when English teachers graduate, they end up on the supply list and they get a few days here and there but when a French teacher graduates they are immediately hired. I don’t understand why the Universities accept students in the teaching program if they do not speak French, it would save them from all that debt, and from all that humiliation, when their French friend finds employment right away and they wait for years to be hired.
Pierre
March 24, 2013 at 10:46 am
Explain how you have come to that conclusion:
“The point was that the English media is abusing the Canadian Declaration of Rights that the Government of Canada, led by Diefenbaker, passed in 1960…”
“So, all kids start learning their second language, in the first or second grade. They do so because, some believe, that kids brains, being like spongers, the younger they start to learn the faster and better, they will be bilingual.”
So you are saying all students are in English immersion?
“Provide us with one example where we have been dishonest or deceptive or said anything that is not supported by most of the country.”
OMG you are too funny now you speak for the entire country from your little Francophone enclave of Gatrineau,actually the entire country does not support it !
“You like to call us the fraud squad.
That’s the kind of tactics usually used by people who are deprived of reasonable, logical and supported arguments.”
I think and are supported by many that Fraud Squad is appropriate as you and your ilk have been proven many times to be wrong -800 million french speakers lol,lol,lol….you expect us to hold credibility of your responses when you have many times been proven wrong?
We are not English freedom fighters but rights fighters ,but we have been called many other things such as bigots when we question the human rights treatment of fellow Canadians in Quebec.
Under God we are Equal under Canadian Language laws we are not!