CFN – Cornwall City Hall did the back door shuffle and have agreed to send $50K to fund the study that the committee above have asked to have commissioned.
Little has been said about their vision; but CFN has been digging and could the reason for the secrecy simply be that Cornwall wishes to establish a French University? And if so why the secrecy? Are the politicians which chiefly make up this group concerned about a back lash from the public for spending public tax dollars on such a project.
Many don’t realize that there is a major regional push to attract disgruntled Francophones from Quebec to Cornwall and it makes some sense in that with Quebec’s economic and political woes an opportunity to attract young families is there. Couple that with a desire politically to have a French University in Ontario and you have a recipe for something that could attract people and money to Cornwall.
Lapresse recently ran a piece discussing Cornwall. LINK The article discussed a drop in Francophones from 30 to 26% and the concerns of some of the locals. Councilor Maurice Dupelle was quoted, but most of the quotes came from Georgette Sauve of the SD&G ACFO)
Translated quote:
Francophone immigration is one of the keys. We need new blood to maintain an acceptable level of French in Cornwall, “said the President.
Education, employability and apparently French Education were primary concerns.
“We must put pressure on elected officials to implement policies to facilitate the immigration of French here. Employers also have a role to play. Finally, the number of allophones who turns aside default the English school system is also a big problem that we have identified, “says the president of the ACFO-SDG, Georgette Sauvé.
It was also discussed on TFO’s 360 show. CLICK to watch VIDEO REPORT.
The question many will be asking is why all the secrecy and why not have open discussion by politicians in the community rather than writing cheques and socially engineering our region? After all it’s everyone’s tax dollars and we all live here. Surely the public should have some say in some of these decisions?
We already have the stench of having two of the committee members, Mayor Kilger and Councilor Elaine MacDonald on the committee not recusing themselves from discussion or voting on the issue which violates number 2 of their Declaration of Office.
2. I have not received and will not receive any payment or reward, or promise thereof, for the
exercise of this office in a biased, corrupt or in any other improper manner.
Clearly there is a reward when you as a member of a group ask for cash from city hall? You have achieved a goal which is of course a reward.
Again, nothing against having a French University in Cornwall, or French in general, but these processes and forcing the public to pay for freight without public consultation surely isn’t Democratic, is it? And while having a University isn’t a bad thing how many of these French Uni grads would be staying in Cornwall?
What do you think CFN viewers? You can post your comments below.
Rants 6: Quebec: Theater of the absurd:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5×8-av6toDc&hd=1
Enjoy…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqKJ7uhm_BQ
Here’s a young guy who is rather upset with the way things have developed as of late.
Highlander, CC2, Rosie, Edudyorlik, Peter and others tell me this man is peachy in regards to what bilingualism entails.
C.
Folks…….once again the cory is misquoting what people say…..nothing new there, the cory does this all the time. In response to Highlander who asked, is French more important then the native language.
My reply was a resounding NO!!! It can be found on Jamie’s “boycotting Quebec” article.
The archives don’t lie.
stellabystarlight April 6, 2013 at 10:35 am
1995 referendom had the normally sleepy fort drum NY have a massive influx of troops and equipment to practice “maneuvers”
and they left shorty after the referendom.
Military friends advised me of the Americans concerns of violence and of Quebec nationalization of American companies.
So fort drum “maneuvers ” was not a coincident ,it was a well.measured approach.
So if you think our neighbors to the south are not paying attention to what is going on here you are clearly wrong.
Cory Cameron I worked for a number of federal government departments and I can tell you that the francophone population is quite numerous that even foreigners who speak French get hired very quickly and the government depends on them to come in and replace a lot of Canadians who are not bilingual. The very vast majority of jobs today require one to be bilingual. The more languages that they know the easier to get hired. You would be shocked to see that our Canadians are being replaced by strangers.
There are very few jobs in the federal government that are unilingual English or unilingual French – that is passé a very long time ago.
As for this young man he is narrow minded and does not want to learn French and this just doesn’t come from him but from his upbringing.
I will tell you something else people have to know both languages because now we are in a global economy and not the same economy as before. Now you have to speak both languages to communicate with the world’s people. People throughout the world speak French and English. There are countries in the world that are francophone and not just Québec and France. Vietnam speaks French, Cambodia, Africa, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, all of North Africa and the European countries. English is the business language but French is utilized as well.
Cory we are all Canadian and should be proud of that and stop bickering and putting each other down.
Pierre and Highlander and everyone here:
You would be mighty surprised at how important French is and not just for the Québecois. We are now living in a multicultural society and it is no longer just English or French or what have you. If any of you have ever travelled to Europe lately you would see people from Africa, the Middle East, Asia, etc. The same thing here in Canada – we are no longer just English and French so get over that racist way. The same is going to happen to Québec and they cannot live on their own nor can any of us here in Canada. What is being done is done by design. Look at all the Mexicans invading the US and Canada and there is a reason – une raison d’être for that.
When my husband came over to Canada he could not speak English only Lebanese and French and he had to learn English and is still learning and driving me up the wall. LOL LOL. Many people come to Canada with either language or only their own and many are going to school to learn English and we have one down the ways from where I live. The Chinese go to the building where my doctor has his office and right on his floor.
I sympathize with everyone when they say that they are left out because of language and I agree but it is being done everywhere. If you get the chance ask the Europeans about it whether on the net or in person and you will see what is going on over there. Europe is looking more like the Middle East every day and the mosques going up and they all want to leave to Canada, the US and Australia and New Zealand.
Don’t fight with each other over this language business. It is all done by the UN (United Nations) and Cory they would laugh because they are the big part of the problem. Trudeau was a Bilderberg attendee and so are the world leaders and there are many secret societies and are all in on this. You have to learn the language and go along with the flow. At our adult ages it is very hard to learn but it can be done. Have your children enter a French school and insist that the child attends to learn the language it is vitally important nowadays. You are lucky so far that they haven’t been demanding the Chinese dialects to learn because China and all of Asia are going to surpass the west in economy and power of politics and military. I guarantee you that Cory and everyone.
As per the article by Jamie, “Why I am boycotting Quebec” PAGE: 4 under community archives, the proof is there.
Check out what highlander wrote on April 5th @ 4:07 am
My reply on April 5th @ 9:06 AM and again @ 5:07 PM
Fiction and fabricating at it’s best……he does this all the time. Twist and turns the posts around to suit himself and his radical agenda.
If I am wrong, I can accept that….no problem. But this type of behavior speaks volumes of the guy’s credibility.
I will say something else if Québec ever did another FLQ again I can assure you that Harpo would have the army at their doorstep and so would young Justin Trudeau. For all of you who were not born or babies when Pierre Trudeau sent in the army in Québec go on youtube.com and listen to Pierre say “just watch me” telling that to a reporter on Parliament Hill. I will never forget those days and there was military stationed in Cornwall as well protecting Jake Lamoureux the speaker of the house on McConnell Ave. including a lawyer by the name of Rouleau (surname).
Yes it can happen again and those radicals who are still alive are causing the disturbance but they will find out that they would be locked away somewhere or even killed.
We are no longer living in the same Canada as before that is gone folks. The Canada that we once knew is gone.
My daughter just received a call from a woman who is from India that she worked with and was surprised to hear that my daughter was no longer working at the company and that all the people in her area are laid off and only the call centre remains. That lady hates the call centre along with so many others and will not go there at all. My daughter gets along well with the world’s people as long as they are polite and courteous.
@ Jules
Please Jules, do not lump me together in with highlander or c cameron or peter…
I do not deserve that.
I am open-minded and I uphold Canadian values even though I am Québécois first.
I have no, as you say, racist views… If I’ve explained myself poorly, I’m sorry and I will try do it better.
Defending the French language is not racist in Québec or in Canada.
I take your point as to the French language not being treatened because, it is spoken all over the world. It is, in fact, spoken in 150 countries and on 5 continents.
In Canada, it is spoken by close to 10 million people and yet the need to defend and protect it, is real. Most experts agree with that fact.
And it is defended and protected but bilingualism menaces it, in the ROC and, even in Québec. I know you don’t understand it, but that is the reason and the necessity of Bill 14.
And, I think you may be wrong as to the necessity of learning more that the two official languages, in the federal or provincial governments or public services.
Certainly knowing more languages is great.
I spent three months, in Mexico, when I was younger and, learned more spanish, in that short time, than some Anglophones living in Québec or in Eastern Ontario, have learned, French, in their lifetime.
But I was interested and I studied it.
Québec did not make the FLQ. First century Canada 1867 to 1970 made the FLQ, aided by the popularity of the Cubanrevolution.
Bombs do not discriminate between Englisn and French speakers.
All Québécois, Quebecers were victimized by the FLQ…
But now, it’s suppertime
Au revoir.
@jules RE: POST ON April 6, 2013 at 2:59 pm
You are RIGHT that our government is replacing Anglophones with “bilingual” Canadians (or what most people agree are called — the French people — ) but that is as a result of a socially engineered plan that puts the minority French in this country in charge of the majority Anglophones and it THIS MUST BE STOPPED.
To say that French is even remotely close to being “worldly important” or imperative is simply NOT TRUE.
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(IMPORTANT PART) — >>> Sure, French is a nice language and i encourage EVERYONE to know it (and any other languages they wish to learn) BUT… as a voluntary thing NOT because they MUST in order to get a job in their own majority ANGLOPHONE country and government. Forcing the majority to people to learn the of the language of the minority is WRONG no matter how you slice it
PLUS, YOU MUST NOT FORGET. These are the same people who are treating the Anglophones that reside in the “province” of Quebec. Which btw is ONLY a province inside the majority anglophone Anglophone country of Canada as if they are second class citizens in THEIR OWN COUNTRY.
WRONG WRONG WRONG on so many levels this is wrong and also MUST BE STOPPED.
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THEY are the first to tell you that the common language in Quebec is French ONLY French.
SUCH A DOUBLE STANDARD.
Say a French group of say several thousand people move to Russia. They end up being 4% of the total population… Would you think they could then demand to be served in French everywhere in Russia? ? NO, Russia is predominantly Russian and the “common language” of that country is Russian. PERIOD. The numbers say it all. 80 percent non French VS’s maybe 17% French (of which 90% of that 17% can also speak English) so why should all of Canada learn French. If the The minuscule 2, 3 5 or even if we are generous and call it 9% French don’t want to learn the universal language — ENGLISH — then they should just simply stay in Quebec and that’s that. And if they wish to go to Russia they either learn Russian or the universal language – English. And if they wish to go to CANADA they learn the universal language English.
NOTE: In order to be an air traffic controller or telephone operator in practically ANY country in THE ENTIRE WORLD one MUST know ENGLISH. it is THAT SIMPLE. The world has decided long ago that English is the easiest and most convenient language to use as a universal language.
What is so damn difficult to accept about that ?
Further more, what’s so wrong with having one common language in Canada along with pockets of people like the French the Italians etc etc etc who know their own language and culture BUT
ALSO KNOW the freaken common language of the country?
Oh how little we are told.
Remember when poor little Brigette DePape was castigated across the news media, for hoisting a “STOP HARPER” sign in the Senate?
Well, what never made the news was the case of the House of Parliament page (2 years earlier) that was paid to stay home (not fired or released) during his term of employment because he openly declared himself to be an FLQ sympathiser.
@ jules
I have lived in montreal for 43 years, I was there for the October crisis. Driving to work passing tanks, all because of the french. They are still at it today. The radicals NEVER EVER went away. this is WHY the feds have allowed the anglophones to be sacrificed. The fear is social peace will be disrupted.
I say, the loss of basic and inalienable rights IS WORTH FIGHTING FOR. Let the bastards come.
OR
GET quebec OUT OF CANADA and FORCED BILINGUALISM WITH IT.
I am sick and tired of quebec, the french bellyaching, whinning and moaning all the time. This is and always has been a FAILED MARRIAGE. The sooner quebec goes the better
THE NEED FOR ANY BILINGUALISM WILL BE GONE FOREVER, AND GOOD RIDDANCE.
Peter I wasn’t going to allow your comment. Dude I was in Montreal during the crisis. It wasn’t because of the “French”. It was because of a small group of extremists. The problem with people like you is that you cause a wedge between the English and French in Canada and Quebec.
This issue has never been between the English and French. It’s been between hardliners on both sides of the fence.
Instead of clubbing each other it’s better to find common ground, hash it out, and move forward.
This county needs an open and transparent dialog to deal with the real truths and not polispin. It needs to make some decisions. What it doesn’t need is angry hardliners flinging monkey poo at each other.
Pierre here’s your acid test. Bill 101 yes or no? If you say yes to Bill 101 then you are persecuting a language and culture and are a fascist. It’s that simple. If English is to survive in Quebec it has to do it on its own merits in spite of a government spending tax dollars, Federal and Provincial to hurt it’s growth.
If French is to survive outside of Quebec all it has to do is survive. French outside of Quebec is getting no abuse. It’s heavily and well funded across the board.
If you believe in one thing for one group you have to believe in it for everyone.
@ Admin
Oh quit that nonsense. You can’t believe what you just wrote and be a open-minded person, let alone journalist.
There are over a million English speaking citizens in Québec. My spouce is Anglophone half my family is Anglophone. The mayor of Montreal is Anglophone most federal politicians back law 101.The Courts back it too.
Nobody’s complaining except you and the “nightmare clan”
I think you’ve been to close to the LFA, for too long…
I had better leave it at that because, otherwise, I believe that I will be one to be deleted for my opinions or my truths.
In other words, I don’t think you can handle the truth!
@ admin
Like I said previously, I lived most of my life in Montreal. I too witnessed the FLQ crisis of 1970.I drove by tanks in the streets in Montresl to get to work.
Former federal canbinet Minister Bryce Mackassy was the last person to talk to Pierre LaPorte alive.
Bryce and I were personal friends. I had a unique insight into this crisis, told to me many yearslalter at blue bonnets racetrack, I was with bryce at the time.
The small group of extremists you allude to, {MODERATED}
Pierre you have never been deleted for your opinions. Nobody has on CFN. It’s not how we roll.
Peter CFN is not a home for SCREED. You are quite passionate about your beliefs but we are not a hatchet ground. I don’t tolerate racism of any sort including linguistic.
French people are not our enemy. Quebec is not our enemy nor do the majority of Quebecers wish to separate; but people like you sir push mainstream Francophones in the same direction that Pauline Marois and her cronies push many Anglophones.
I have repeatedly moderated you, deleted comments. At this point I don’t think you can control yourself and I can’t spend time hyper moderating you so you’re on vacation mode. Changing your user id won’t help either. And please don’t start emailing CFN and whining. It’s just not dignified.
We are not home for extremists and people that can’t debate cleanly.
@ Admin
I may not have been deleted for my opinions but, I have been deleted and my ideas were too, so I don’t know for sure.
What I also know for sure, that you are playing me when you ask me question that I answer but it’s the same as if I had’nt. You don’t change your opinion and you don’t respond either…
Just wasting my time.
I guess that may be your game as devil’s advocate, but it’s extremely frustrating as I’m not here to play games but to stop the racism… And try to get people to accept the obvious. That is : The French language needs all the protection it is gettiing and more, maybe.
I can’t get the job done because the nightmare clan has nothing to lose. If they had it would be a different matter.
Remember, I had written that I had stopped cfra broadcasters from spewing their hate of bilingualism and separatists… Well, I stopped them because they had something to lose.
jules
April 6, 2013 at 2:59 pm
“Cory Cameron I worked for a number of federal government departments and I can tell you that the francophone population is quite numerous that even foreigners who speak French get hired very quickly and the government depends on them to come in and replace a lot of Canadians who are not bilingual. The very vast majority of jobs today require one to be bilingual.”
Jules no disrespect here but the requirement of Vast majority being required bilingual is completely disproportionate of Canada’s population.
17.2 % of the population is bilingual,significantly even less when considered if they were government tested.
The issue of providing service for francophones in their native language “where numbers warrant “has morphed to managed in their language of choice to now using bilingual as an exclusionary measure in hiring .
When bilingual requirement for a job posting is noted most Canadians can NOT EVEN APPLY yet have the qualifications ,education and experience -therefore language is deemed more important then MERIT.
“I will tell you something else people have to know both languages because now we are in a global economy and not the same economy as before. Now you have to speak both languages to communicate with the world’s people.”
French is not required in the global economy ,but Spanish and Mandarin /Cantonese is certainly more beneficial and thus those languages should be encouraged.
There remains a difference here -FRENCH IS MANDATED AND LEGISLATED and has very little impact on the global scene .
I would be to a benefit to scrape this official bilingualism and use the money to promote those languages that would benefit Canada as a whole in the GLOBAL market.
Instead of promoting and or pushing one language would it not serve the population to allow the opportunity to learn a variety of them BY CHOICE?
Pierre
April 6, 2013 at 5:09 pm
“Please Jules, do not lump me together in with highlander or c cameron or peter…
I do not deserve that.
I am open-minded and I uphold Canadian values even though I am Québécois first.
I have no, as you say, racist views… If I’ve explained myself poorly, I’m sorry and I will try do it better.”
No Pierre you have been proven to have Racial views many times ,But that may not be your fault as usually upbringing and loved ones pass this down .
You are far from open minded as you have stated you refuse to look at the information /data that is posted from the opposing view -I have never and will never do that as its very important to get a grasp on the opposing argument otherwise you remain CLOSED MINDED.
“And it is defended and protected but bilingualism menaces it, in the ROC and, even in Québec. I know you don’t understand it, but that is the reason and the necessity of Bill 14.”
You do not agree with regulation 17 -which I admit is repressive to a culture ,yet you agree to bill 101 and bill 14 which is repressive to many cultures .
When is it justified to oppress other cultures ?NEVER.
Québec did not make the FLQ. First century Canada 1867 to 1970 made the FLQ, aided by the popularity of the Cubanrevolution.
So now your blaming Canada for the terrorist acts of the FLQ and RIN ,you really are warped in your perception ,It was your repressive church and society that had the populous react for change .
But French society has a history of revolutionary acts.
Pierre your comments, like that of others are deleted because of how they are expressed. Some of you mix the passion for your position for your dislike of a group or individual. When you cross that line that’s when comments get deleted or people blocked. Don’t force us to use our valuable time moderating you and there’s no problem.
Pierre April 6, 2013 at 10:43 pm
“but it’s extremely frustrating as I’m not here to play games but to stop the racism… And try to get people to accept the obvious. That is : The French language needs all the protection it is gettiing and more, maybe.”
Your not trying to stop RACISM but promoting it through your encouragement of oppressive language laws.
The French language does not need protection,but the native languages do as they are near extinct .
The United Nations has advised north American governments that the indigenous peoples languages are approaching extinction,yet you think for only your culture.
Pierre,Stella,Richard -Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened???????
” I can’t get the job done because the nightmare clan has nothing to lose. If they had it would be a different matter.”
You can’t get what job done ?Trying to convince people that oppresive language laws is in the interest of a society as a whole?
Those oppressive language laws are in the interest of ONE CULTURE ONLY and oppressive to all others.
Yes your right in this statement that YOUR NIGHTMARE clan has nothing to loose ,you see Pierre when people get and continued to be discriminated against and make a stand against discrimination NOTHING will stop them to correct this WRONG.
” Remember, I had written that I had stopped cfra broadcasters from spewing their hate of bilingualism and separatists… Well, I stopped them because they had something to lose.”
You believe you stopped “FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION” with CFRA they simply question the need of bilingualism and you call it HATE,just because someone disagree’s with you doesn’t mean its HATE .
By the way you did not stop CFRA’s “FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION” from talking of the subject you had lost your opportunity to have a voice on there with your radical behavior-so it is you and your separatist cause that lost out.
Language continues to divide us it appears, and a French only university would not help. Where would it go BTW? The hospital building?
admin April 6, 2013 at 9:34 pm
” If you believe in one thing for one group you have to believe in it for everyone”.
Jamie your whole comment I agree with but this says it all.
Equality simple as that ,the fraud Squad prefers it as French vs Anglophone’s this remains human rights issue .
This is not anti-French but it questions the State’s approach to enforcement of one language and its cost to humanity and human rights.
“[sic] here’s your acid test. Bill 101 yes or no? If you say yes to Bill 101 then you are persecuting a language and culture and are a fascist. It’s that simple. If English is to survive in Quebec it has to do it on its own merits in spite of a government spending tax dollars, Federal and Provincial to hurt it’s growth.
If French is to survive outside of Quebec all it has to do is survive. French outside of Quebec is getting no abuse. It’s heavily and well funded across the board.
If you believe in one thing for one group you have to believe in it for everyone.”
Excellent Jamie!
Thanks. Simple breakdown and understanding of Quebec legislation of language.
Jules, under the French Language Services Act of Ontario (2009 definition change), your husband would be counted as Francophone, is he OK with that?
Howard, the indigenous question has been answered before. 8 billion dollars. Sometimes I think you have an answer ready before even reading the post. Jaime, you professed a profound hatred for bill 101 and frankly I don’t know why ? Well I can guess. It didn’t stop you from attending english schools ? I don’t think it’s the teasing from francophones or the expression tête carrée. Because, I have been called frog and worse by anglos and it just made me develop a thicker skin. But why did you insist on not learning french when it is everywhere in the province ? Its not because you’re not smart enough. Is it just because you didn’t want to.
highlander wrote: French is not required in the global economy ,but Spanish and Mandarin /Cantonese is certainly more beneficial and thus those languages should be encouraged.
So piper…..I take it you are going to learn those languages?
again the piper wrote to Pierre: You are far from open minded as you have stated you refuse to look at the information /data that is posted from the opposing view
You have to be kidding. Like I said before, any one can make a you tube video to suit their radical aganda. Why pray tell, would any french person want to look at your gang’s “YOU TUBES” when we know what it entails. Spending 24/7 looking for anti-french videos to prove your point is a sign of desperation.
Pierre,Stella,Richard -Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened???????
Piper…..how many times do we have to answer that question? We’ve answered already……too many times…….Ca vas? Move on bud……that one is getting stale!!!
Here North Korea is threatening nuclear attacks and the english are concerned about language on signs……go figure!!!
So, now Peter has a friend that knew Pierre Laporte. LOL
To recap, he knows people in the NHL, has a background in economics, a former history major, when I talked about louis riel he saw his grave, I think I missed a few but in a sense now he is close personal friends with a buddy of pierre laporte. COME ON, not even admin would buy that. At least I don’t pretend to be something I am not to try and prove my point.
Richard when you need a certificate to go to school in English you no longer live in Democracy. Representation by taxation. Until Francophones realize that they only people that can save their language is themselves you do not live in Democracy. Bill 101 is fascist.
You won’t endear people to your cause ever. That being said my experience in Quebec is that 99% of people that I worked with were great; but having a society where you had more rights, freedoms and access simply because you were Pure Laine was not something I chose to invest in so I left.
One of the reasons I chose Cornwall was that it had the flavor of Montreal that I enjoyed to a degree but I thought there was a border. Quebec politics should stay at the border.
They have not and we are being flooded in Eastern Ontario by them. That has to stop. There’s nothing wrong with pushing back and working the Democratic system we have in place. We may not all agree on things and issues, but when you go outside of the lines as Quebec has everyone loses.
@Jules
The lady is truly ignorant of what is happening in Canada and around the world.
1. A blue bred English speakning Canadain should not have to learn French in order to obtain employment in the Public service.
2. You can converse in French in French speaking countries but English is the universal language World Wide.
3. The more you fall into the trap of thinking learning French is good and helps to obtain employment or get along in Canada
the more you are helping the French to realise the Trudeau dream:
English today – French tomorrow.
4. To be spending “BILLIONS” of tax payer dollars on bilingualism while children, particualrly Canadadian native children go hungry,
our Health Care System is in need, and Seniors are having a hard time with rising costs is obscene.
Richard tremblay April 7, 2013 at 8:35 am
” Howard, the indigenous question has been answered before. 8 billion dollars.”
Richard like those transfer payments to Quebec that money is not allocated to protecting thier language,here’s the question I ask you,which you have not answered.
Pierre,Stella,Richard -Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened???????
Jaime, you professed a profound hatred for bill 101 and frankly I don’t know why ?
Wake up there Richard he is by far not the only one to not like bill 101 hell more people dislike it then like it but in your little fascist world you don’t see it as oppression.
stellabystarlight April 7, 2013 at 8:38 am
” Why pray tell, would any french person want to look at your gang’s “YOU TUBES” when we know what it entails.”
Once again you do not to view as you have psychic ability right?
You are so narrow minded ,as any references you post I always look at why? Because I am not narrow minded I look at the opposing view to get a better understanding where you are coming from.
That’s right you already admitted that you look nothing up and you don’t view what we post YOU ARE NARROW MINDED.
“Piper…..how many times do we have to answer that question? We’ve answered already……too many times…….Ca vas? Move on bud……that one is getting stale!!!”
YOU STILL DID NOT ANSWER THIS QUESTION:
Pierre,Stella,Richard -Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened???????
“Here North Korea is threatening nuclear attacks and the english are concerned about language on signs……go figure!!!”
But Stella that’s not in your back yard what do you care as you have said of bill101 which effects Canadians.
Eric can you imagine that both my husband and I speak fluent French and that here in Ottawa it was a huge struggle to get my daughter enrolled in a French school. It took my husband’s nephew to sweet talk the principal of the school to allow my daughter entry into the school. That is how racist things are here in the French system.
Yes my husband is ok with being classified as Francophone and a huge percentage of his people in Lebanon would be known as Francophones. You see Eric Lebanon was under French (France) rule before they got their independence in 1930 and before that they were occupied by the Ottomans, the Syrians, etc.
We speak French and English here at home. Many of my husband’s people were disappointed here in Canada (the Lebanese people that is) that my husband did not speak to them in Arabic. My husband told them that they are Canadians and it is here where they will remain and that they did not need that language. I would rather them know Italian and Spanish than to try and figure out Arabic – it is mighty difficult.
Ken if you go to Europe the majority of people today (the young people that is) and even a lot of people of my age speak more than one language. French is used even in Germany, Switzerland, Romania, etc. English is known to be the business language of the world and that is the truth but French is widely spoken in a vast number of countries.
Ken there is no harm at all in knowing the two languages and it brings people together.
You are right about the native people are having a terrible time but I will say this – the natives are given the money but it is the chief’s of the band to steal the money from the people. The natives go out and drink their share and become alcoholics and neglect their families. It is the fault of the chiefs.
About health care it is a crisis throughout the entire world and is the most expensive to deal with. The best health care system is in the Norway, Sweden, Germany and France and the taxes that those people in Europe along with other Europeans would shock you to pieces. Can you imagine paying anywhere from 60% to 80% in taxes alone? That is exactly what is happening and many wealthy people are leaving those countries searching for countries where they would pay less. The wealthy are greedy and unfeeling and they want everything for free. French actor Gérard Depardieu happens to be one of them.
I support bilingualism and for everyone including “les québecois” and I realize fully well that they want to keep their language and I am for that but they have to know English as well. When I say bilingual I mean both English and French and everyone should know that. If a person wants to learn they can even at my senior age. LOL LOL.
Ken you would be shocked to see what goes on in the government and yes people have to be bilingual to enter the public service. My daughter was talking to a lady that she worked with in the private industry where they both worked and she hasn’t spoken to my daughter in almost two years and she is from India and the government gives incentives to hire foreigners over our own Canadians. This lady has her own Indian dialect and English and was lucky to get in and most likely pulled in and was on a year’s contract and then let go.
When I was in the government both French and English was a demand and there were some jobs that made an exception to the rule. My own supervisor was put out to learn French and she was in her 40’s at the time and she couldn’t handle the French and had a couple of heart attacks over it. She was in the government since she was 18 years old and was known throughout the government as the first person to bring out the word processing. There were a few of us in her unit who were bilingual so her supervisor spoke for her to keep her on the job as long as she had bilingual staff who could cover for her. We all did just that.
Nowadays things do not work out that way and people have to be fully bilingual. That is the reason why I say to everyone if any of you have very young children who haven’t started school yet get them in a French school from kindergarden onwards. Trust what I say Ken and folks out there it is a must and I don’t say that lightly.
My daughter worked for a private firm here in Ottawa that is from Toronto and she had to be bilingual for some of the contracts that she worked on. Without bilingualism it is very hard to get employed even working in the hospitals. Look at Chris Cameron who is a mighty good nurse and is working in an area of very high responsibility and very hard and yet they discriminate against him because he is not bilingual. He has all the experience that is needed in his profession but they put up the baracades of not being fully bilingual and this is done everywhere. Can you imagine with his job that is so very hard and full of vast responsibilities and having to travel 60 miles back and forth from Cornwall to Ottawa and back again. My heart goes out to him and to others as well to make that trip. He would go home completely exhausted and not the time for family.
You see why I say get the children who are very young in the French school system. There is this girl that my daughter was in “Brownies” with when they were little and the girl went to a French public school it was an English one to begin with but they had a complete French system at the school here in Ottawa in those days. Little Colleen came from and English family and she did very well. Neither parent of Colleen’s was French and she was so intelligent. I have her picture among the Brownies way back then. Those were such good memories that I hold so close to my heart.
Stella you stated this on April 5 2013 5:07 pm
“Let me simplify this for you, you always seem to get confused. The question was “IS FRENCH MORE IMPORTANT” The majic word is “MORE” Got that so far?”
Your answer had been NO but the above was your explanation.
If you look at the question I asked you Pierre and Richard you have not answered it yet :
Pierre,Stella,Richard -Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened???????
This has been asked of the three of you and you have not replyed .still waiting.
Stella I don’t know if you ever heard of a man who is an American investor by the name of Jim Rogers. Well Jim took his family out of the US and are living in Singapore just now. Jim is an older man who married for the second time to a much younger woman and his young daughters are learning Mandarin Chinese and he said that it is the future that his children must know the Chinese dialects and that is the truth. You can find Jim Rogers on youtube.com and listen to him speak. He was a business partner of George Sorros at one time.
English has always been the business language and still is today but that can change down the road for all we know. The more languages that one has the better they are. Good for Pierre knowing Spanish and yes if a person wants to know another language they can do it especially when they are young in order to grasp onto things. Children are young and should not be confronted with all kinds of racism from the grown ups and be able to live in many cultures without turning ones nose at everything. People have to accept one another and get along. This world is in bad shape with everyone fighting. It is enough that we have that nutcase in N. Korea wanting war with the world’s giant the US.
I learned French from the time I was in kindergarden and I did it folks. I walked the floor at all hours of the night to learn and I surpassed a lot of them. Don’t feed racism to your children but instead expand their horizons to new things and get to read to them and don’t be blinded on things going on everywhere.
Jamie Cornwall has had that problem of French/English long before I was ever born and I am an oldie of 62 years old. You take Marlborough Street in Cornwall that was the dividing line between the English and the French and if you crossed it back in the 40’s and early 50’s God help that is how bad things were back then.
When my daughter was in French schools in Cornwall she had a teacher who went shopping at a store in Cornwall and she spoke French to the clerk. The clerk had the nerve to yell out in the store “does anyone speak the foreign language here” and that was so insulting. I would love to know which store that is so as to boycott the place. I do not accept that.
When my husband came to Canada he could not speak English and where he was in an industry in Cornwall my husband would ask a question in French and the supervisor said “no French, no French” and how is he supposed to get an answer speak in Arabic and see their reaction. Cornwall has a problem of relating to people of other cultures and has to get over that. We are surrounded by “the united nations here in Ottawa” and we have to accept one another for what we are. Every time I step out I wonder what country I am living in and the same in my own building. Learn to live with one another and learn to leave the prejudices elsewhere. I know that it isn’t easy and I fully agree but it has to be done or else we would be in a constant battle with one another.
Pierre April 6, 2013 at 9:53 pm
Pierre wrote, @ Admin. Oh quit that nonsense. You can’t believe what you just wrote and be a open-minded person, let alone journalist”
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How freaking condescending can you be. You keep speaking of having an open mind but the fact is your use of those words together is nothing but doublespeak… There is NO POSSIBLE way someone could have an open mind and yet be trying to save his culture and language by terminating and reducing language and culture to nothingness. THAT is a closed mind if I ever saw one.
Yeah right. You only have a so called “open mind” when it comes to the French side of this cause.
@All RE: the post by Simon on April 6, 2013 at 6:01 pm
Simon wrote, “oh how little we are told. Remember when poor little Brigette DePape was castigated across the news media, for hoisting a “STOP HARPER” sign in the Senate?”
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Yeah, we remember Simon. And something else that is VERY interesting and telling about that Bridgette DePape story. The things that don’t get the headlines BUT SHOULD.
The newspaper article pointed out:: “Each year, 15 individuals are chosen from hundreds of youth through a national competition to work as a Page for the Senate of Canada.”
Guess what one of the absolute requirements are?
You guessed it.
c) Be able to communicate orally, at the advanced level, in both official languages (English and French);
On the surface that seems fine but one MUST REMEMBER that this country is made up of a majority 84% Anglophone population and, Ontario — where these pages work — is only 4% French (that’s 96 % NON FRENCH or Anglo) and this means that parents from the majority 96% Anglo tax paying citizens of this great country and this great city Ottawa, are disenfranchised from the dream that their little Johnny or little Suzie could get this kind of invaluable experience for THEIR ANGLO resume.
Na,w NO ROOM FOR the majority ANGLO’s… WTF
Pierre wrote “I can’t get the job done because the nightmare clan has nothing to lose. If they had it would be a different matter.”
Ah yes, the old familiar use of the warped public social pier pressure tactics. They used to use calling the Anglo Bigots but now that is passé.
Oppressing the opposite opinion to his and the rest of the French who use speak out of both sides of their mouths. In other words he can’t use the same societal pier pressure he used with CFRA because the entrenchment regarding this French issue is so rampant in this country that even our politicians are afraid to touch it. BUT THAT IS CHANGING AND WILL BE CHANGED.
What is wrong with being pro English and pro Canadian? NOTHING. Just because someone stands up for Anglophone rights in this country does not mean they are anti French.
Eric April 7, 2013 at 7:01 am
Jules, under the French Language Services Act of Ontario (2009 definition change),
What a sly little trick eh? Whenever they need more “clout” they do a change up and make it easier for their side of this. Time is of the essence folks. WE MUST WAKE UP SOON.
@Richard tremblay RE: POST on April 7, 2013 at 8:35 am
Richard wrote, “But why did you insist on not learning french when it is everywhere in the province ?”
Under this logic Richard, why would the French insist on NOT learning English?
After all, it’s EVERYWHERE IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY… CANADA…
Why not have the French keep their language and culture in Quebecistan but have English as a second language they could use in the ROC? (after all, this country does have ENGLISH as it’s common language don’t_cha_know) THAT would solve many many problems and save this country billions that could help with health care and so on.
Naw, that would be too easy. I’ll tell you why they don’t do that … Because they are megalomaniacs. They want French to be THE language of all of Canada. That is why. They want their cake and eat it too. Never
satisfied.
stellabystarlight April 7, 2013 at 8:38 am
Stella wrote, “like I said before, any one can make a you tube video”
Really Stella. Where are yours. I doubt you could even begin to do such a thing. c;mon. Let’s see you’re video’s. I suppose you’ll have someone else make one for you now just to prove something. Right !!!
Stella wrote, spending 24/7 looking for anti-french videos”
Naw, if you’re referring to me Stella, I don’t have to spend 24/7 looking for stuff that the French are doing against Canada and against the English language and the English culture.
It’s rampant. It’s everywhere. All over the place. It falls on my lap each and every day. Does pasta gate ring a bell? Does a French kid yelling at an innocent Asian kid just because he doesn’t speak French ring a bell? Does a metro worker putting up a sign saying, we don’t serve English here, ring a bell? Does a metro worker beating up a customer (a freaking customer of the transit system) just because she didn’t look like she came from Canada and spoke English ring a bell? I could go on and on.
Naw, I don’t have to spend more than 3 minutes finding all the “anti human” behavior the French are doing. against fella Canadian citizens in their own country. It’s everywhere. Matter of fact,. all I have to do is take the writing from here that you and Pierre and Tremblay write and that in and of itself would be a video.
Think about it… Hey, all the rest of Canada, (and you Americans too) have a look at what THESE Canadians think of the Anglo’s and what they say about you(s). Yeah, no need to spend hours. It’s all right here. Minutes away.
Stella wrote, “Here North Korea is threatening nuclear attacks and the english are concerned about language on signs……go figure!!!”
Yeah, nice try. This is an old trick has been tried before Stella. They tried this one years ago, back when they told the Anglo’s to “take a Valium.”
Forget it. We took the Valium and went to sleep the first time. NOT AGAIN…
As serious as that situation is, over there, there is nothing we can do about it. At least with this French issue we can take a stand in this country for the English language and the English culture (yes we have those too. It’s NOT just the French). Oh and, have a nice day eh 🙂
Eric when my husband and I get mail from the government or anywhere else we checked something to be brought to us in English since the “French Québecois” language is so mucked up that he cannot understand it and has a good chuckle.
I sure do know that people who live in Québec and do not speak French get hurt badly at times.
For the person who said that she was “pure laine” that is a joke because Canadians like Americans are mixed up in race and language and a lot of us have native roots from way back when so we are not “pure laine” anywhere and even the Europeans are mixed now.
Like I said before this bickering has a lot to do with foreigners who live in Québec who come from extremist countries trying to make trouble here. Former Pres. Charles De Gaulle was a war hero and at the same time a big trouble maker. I will never forget the time he made that speech in Montréal back in 67 and that helped stir up the pot to hell.
Canadians of all races and languages have to wake up and stop this insanity and accept one another. The two main languages of Canada have always been English and French. All other languages has to do with immigrants who have come over and they teach their children their own language and customs and to adopt our way of life as well here in Canada. We eat the Lebanese and Canadian way but we speak English and French here at home. The Lebanese cooking takes many hours of preparation and cooking.
@ Richard..But why did you insist on not learning french when it is everywhere in the province ? Its not because you’re not smart enough. Is it just because you didn’t want to.
Richard, just a little bit of personal info. I DID learn French and I got burned..and so my kids, they didn’t..they are educated, but no they did not learn French., you know the saying “Don’t get burned twice”.
Jules… If you, and those others who “claim” that this is all due to just a “few” trouble makers
— (I personally find it interesting how those trouble makers are also the ones in power in Quebec)
— are right that it is ONLY “a few” trouble makers surrounding all of this Anti English anti Canadian cr@p that is going on in the “province” of Quebec, then fine, I truly want to believe you.
THUS, it’s time for those so called, “majority French” who you say DO NOT believe in these discriminatory laws like Bill 101 and Bill 14 to take to the streets along side of all the Anglophones who still live in Quebec and fight for the rights of ALL Canadian tax paying citizens to NOT be persecuted and marginalized in their own country.
You know what ? I truly DOUBT that will — EVER — happen. Our persecuted Anglo brethren in that province are doomed. The French want NOTHING TO DO WITH the ENGLISH language the English people, or the English culture. They WANT TO DOMINANT. And not just in Quebec.
As a matter of fact, I have a STRONG feeling you would get the same overwhelmingly negative reception that you would get if you carried this country’s flag.. yes, a Canadian flag, and sang Canada’s national anthem — you know “Oh Canada” — during the St Jean Baptist day celebrations among all those so called thousands of and thousands of minority French folk (uh huh minority eh?) that are certainly NOT out showing that they are PROUD CANADIANS… NO NO, they are indeed out showing their pride in the fact that they are COMPLETELY and Wholeheartedly against ANYTHING English AND — ANYTHING Canadian — Are those the minority that you all are speaking of? If this wasn’t about power and control those people would be celebrating both being French and being Canadian. And last i saw, it sure was NOT a minority out there prancing around in blue and white.
YOU KNOW WHY you would never get those so called majority French who you say are against bill’s 101 and 14 JAMIE and Jules… ? I’ll tell you why. Because those that YOU label as the minority French who go around making trouble — are not really the minority — Well, not on the surface anyways. On the surface p[resent this image but the REALITY IS that there is a large French majority that that believe wholeheartedly in French domination over les moudits Anglais. These are the ones (yes, the majority) who sit at home and quietly pump their fist in the air whenever they see news stories that validate their French domination and French rights positions.
And then, just like the ones i came to know when i was growing up in Quebec who, at THAT TIME, showed me “THEIR TRUE COLORS” because they thought i was “ONE OF THEM” back then.
These are the ones from that silent majority group when asked in a public setting or around “les autres” how they feel about English would response with the standard. Oh we should all get along. I don’t believe in bill 101 and “tings lie dat.”
RIGHT !!!
Does the term used car salesman ring any bells for anyone ??????
And does the term hypocrite seem to fit ?
If any of ya’ll believe this cr@p i have some nice swamp land in Florida to sell any one of ya’s. Dream on folks. This is about power and control and as long as “the other side/the English” believe everything is just peachy keen fine, take a Valium, relax. blah blah blah then they will continue taking advantage in that oh so familiar way.
Don’t believe me? Just look around you(s). At every opportunity when they ask for bilingualism it turns out to be French dominant, French on top, or French only. Meanwhile they outlaw the English language and the Canadian flag in that province. RIGHT !!!
WAKE UP FOLKS…
Just like American politicians (or most politicians in general for that matter) they’ll tell ya anything to your face that you want to hear to keep you from knowing the TRUTH and then trying to derail their REAL agenda.
DOMINATION… and that was once JUST the province of Quebec but NOW it is DOMINATION OF ALL OF CANADA.
God bless us.
The government of Canada could not be happier to see us arguing over French vs. English over nothing… nothing at all.
What French university?… What university at all even?
Right now our Canada (and our children’s hope) are being sold to Chinese. And not just Chinese, but the actual communist dictatorship government of China. And Chinese miners are being imported to work in Canadian mines, because they speak Chinese, the language of the new owners.
The Royal Bank of Canada is hiring workers from Bangalore India and actually firing the Canadian workers they are replacing.
Take a break. Look around…
English or French we’re Canadians, in a country where police don’t kick in your door and rape your family while they’re questioning you about your politics.
We don’t have gang rapists killing anyone in your family because they got on the wrong bus, and the driver and his friends are primitive deviates.
We’ve got bigger things to work on here than imagined differences over words.
Get it together soon, or our country and culture(s) will be gutted by our very own disregard of how our country is governed… while we squabble about nought.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHXreXuSSok&list=UUS2BxoiTqky0efBFtdSMBcw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI1NOWSAUJo&list=UUS2BxoiTqky0efBFtdSMBcw
Brainwashing
You are absolutely right all the way Simon. My husband read that article about RBC hiring foreigners in place of Canadians and isn’t that what I have been preaching here to all of you on CFN. I wasn’t telling you no fairytale. My husband has said to me for many years that Canadians were selling out their country to foreigners and he proved to be right. The education system in Canada has been going downhill for many years as well as that of the Yanks. Yes communism is taking control of the world. So many people are asleep at what is really going on in the world around us. Too many of Cornwall’s people are just reading the garbage out of “Cornwall’s toilet paper of record – SF” and don’t know what is really happening around them.
About a university in Cornwall that is a joke. That was tried some years ago without success and only in a General BA which is a worthless piece of paper. Bare Ass Kilger is doing everything he can to put Cornwall into enormous debts and will do that before he leaves unless people stand up and won’t take it anymore and throw that bum and his other bums out. Not only that Simon but all those in City Hall are all corrupted as well. Do you think that the City of Cornwall didn’t know all about Mr. Robert Menaugh before they hired him. Of course they knew and they got what they deserve but on the backs of the little people. All these people are corrupted to the core. That huge albatross which I call the “tax mahal” and known as the Benson Centre is going to be a nightmare for everyone to come and that I guarantee it. Too many are asleep at the wheel and they will pay mighty dearly for not paying attention.
Edudyorlik you mentioned something about the Pages at Parliament Hill. My daughter attended La Citadelle High School in Cornwall and there were some of her classmates who were chosen to be Pages and yes they had to know French as well as English proficiently. There are no Anglophones chosen for this job that I am aware of.
RIGHT ON SIMON!!!
Time for them to grow up. There are many more issues to be concerned about then language on signs. It’s been going on for two years now……enough already. Do what you have to do and leave the peace loving people alone.
To have to resort to videos ad nauseum is a sure sign they don’t have the support they need……otherwise they would quit the nonsense and get on with it.
Jules……I read the same thing this morning about RBC, They let 45 employees go and hired Chinese people.
Thinking that would be more of a concern to all Canadians……nope, not to this gang. The language on signs is what is bringing this country down……LOL OK? OK!!!!
stellabystarlight, RBC outsourced a section of their IT department, it is not exactly the same thing, although the indignity and optics of training your replacements is awful for such a money making company.
If successive laws were put in place to favour one group, should people be quiet and say nothing?
Simon, I tend to concur on how regionalism and multiculturalism leaves us less than one for all and all for one.
@Admin
You’re spewing propaganda again Apr 7 9: 04 am.
I know that you can rarely prove your allegations but try, just this once, to prove that Québec is a society in which being “pure laine” gives one more rights, freedoms or access.
Prove that being Francophone, in Québec, gives an individual more rights than being Anglophone, in Ontario, or anywhere, in the ROC.
What you are really saying, Jamie, is that you can’t accept being of a minority.
Québec politics are not following you to Cornwall… Bilingualism, where need be, is.
And that’s a good thing because of Cornwall’s proximity to Montreal and to Ottawa, the Federal capital of Canada, a country founded by Francophone and Anglophone people.
And both these/our People win with bilingualism, where need be…
Bilingualism for Anglos, in Québec,
Bilingualism for Francos, in Ont,
And that, to most Canadians is fairness… But not to the ethnocentric or to the xenophobe.
I still don’t agree that some of my comments are deleted, simply because of the passion, I express them with.
I believe, that some are deleted, because, you fell, they may not be good for your bussiness.