Nurse Protester Chris Cameron on Whistleblowing & Retaliation in Cornwall Ontario – LTE – HICKLEY SHAY

Nurse Protester Chris Cameron on Whistleblowing & Retaliation in Cornwall Ontario  – LTE – HICKLEY SHAY

Nurse Protester Christopher Cameron

Fellow Citizens,

Control through Retaliation; Is this a Democracy’s response to individuals who speak up in the interest of fellow citizens and their community?
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 A statement which brings to mind the scenario,
” When Government’s fear the people that’s Democracy ,when the people fear the Government that’s Dictatorship”
We have policies within all forms of government to protect whistle-blowers; yet it appears our government and its entities uses strong arm tactics through the potential of retaliation to control that message as these policies have no legislated clout.
Yes, fear of retaliation within the system has silenced many of those that wish to speak up .
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I have learned this hard lesson and appreciated this fact since my demonstrations at Cornwall Community Hospital where many told their story of discriminatory behavior with regards to hiring and treatment.
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These individuals chose not to speak up when their opportunity was available for them.  FEAR is a great motivating factor to remain silent.  The situation has not changed at the hospital but it is further entrenched as suppression of the employee’s rights to speak up on unjust policies are silenced.  The hospital remains a public entity and those employees are shareholders and have every right to speak up against unjust policies.
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One employee did speak up.  Darlene Walsh spoke up.   She advocated for patients rights and the treatment of those patients.
She served as as example of what happens when you advocate for the patient and not the Hospital.  She had been suspended and quickly silenced and all of this because she was advocating for the patients!
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Like those employees at Cornwall Community Hospital; they fear for retaliations that occurs in many forms.  This defines abuse of employees and in the very least presents bullying behavior.
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Diane Shay and Rob Hickley –  I commend you for speaking up for our citizens.  This has taken great strength to step forward and put it “on the line”, for most would coward and hide from doing the right thing for FEAR of reprisal.
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Diane and Rob you have ventured down a path most would avoid even though its admirable and the just thing to do.  That path remains with many challenges but your conscience will remain free when you make a stand on principles with the interest of citizens and the community in mind.
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Diane and Rob I stand with you in kindred spirit and let it be heard you are not alone; many do back you in your stand to do the right thing.
George Orwell wrote:
“In a time of Universal deceit – Telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
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Fellow Citizens would you stand up to right a wrong or would you cower in fear of RETALIATION?
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Take care my fellow Citizens
Christopher Cameron

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53 Responses to "Nurse Protester Chris Cameron on Whistleblowing & Retaliation in Cornwall Ontario – LTE – HICKLEY SHAY"

  1. jim Brown   July 25, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    We arevery happy to see that our Cornwall friends are thinking this way! Best wishes from the New Canada Party, national office.

  2. City RN   July 25, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    Chris Cameron what an excellent letter! I also stand 100% behind whistleblowers Diane Shay and Rob Hickley. They are the true heroes of this city as they stand against unfairness, abuse and corruption.

    Kudos to you too Chris for all of your hard work over the past few years with the language issue in Cornwall and area. You are also a hero in my eyes as you stand up for fairness and the prevention of discrimination of the English majority. For those of you that aren’t aware, Chris started the local group LANGUAGE FAIRNESS FOR ALL that has been making headlines all over the country!

    Keep up the great work all 3 of you and continue to stand for what is right and fair to all.

    Thank you.

  3. Sick of stupidity   July 25, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    Well said Mr. Cameron. Our community needs more people like you!

  4. Mary Bray   July 25, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    I support you Rob & Diane for doing the right thing,isn,t that what we tell our children to do…always do the right thing.It is sad that a corrupt city of Cornwall does just the opposite,Our good ole boys club made up of mostly or all Fiberals is totally destroying this once great city.It,s not too late to get rid of this self serving idiots,next election!!!

  5. mariah   July 25, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    We need stronger Better whistle blowers protection,Bravo to the Dianes’ & Robs’ & the Perry Dunlops of this world protecting people at all costs who cannot protect themselves

  6. jules   July 25, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    “When government’s fear the people that’s freedom, when the people fear the government that’s tyranny.”

    former US president Thomas Jefferson

    That quote is about the same wording and those words are so very true indeed.

    I don’t know what got me to think about Darlene Walsh just this past week and I couldn’t remember her name and I knew that she was standing up at the CCH protesting about bilingualism with Chris. This lady became very ill as well and I wondered what had happened to her. Yes Chris when people speak out about the things that are going on then they do get reprimanded and it is like that all over the place and even in the federal government. People in general are not happy working anywhere especially nowadays.

    Chris you and I differ about bilingualism but one thing that we do agree would be to stick to your rights and report the abuses going on about the kind of patient care that is happening. So many horrible stories that can be told but so many are afraid to come forward. Mr. Hickley and Mrs. Shay are on my mind and somehow Darlene popped into me just last week and I couldn’t find her name. I knew that this lady was having health problems as well with all she has been through. Perry Dunlop was and is a mighty good man and look at what happened to this very fine gentleman. I wish that this world had a lot of Perry Dunlops in it and it would be a much better place to live. The same with Mr. Hickley and Mrs. Shay. When I was in Ingleside at the Bird Sanctuary I thought about all the good people that are named and it hurt to think about the hell that they are going through. All the best to them and to you too Chris.

  7. English Lassie   July 25, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    Thanks Chris for this insightful letter.
    The world would be a better place if we had more people like Chris, Diane & Rob…
    I choose to stand up to right a wrong & I teach my kids the same.

  8. Ed   July 25, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    Speaking up and teh Hospital attacks to silence. What teh hospital forgets is it must pass accreditation each year and if it does not, it can lose its operation license. Whistle blowers putting patient rights firt, could very well cause the hospital to lose their license. Any hopsital wonk that came after me for blowing the whistle and trying to intimidate me or make me fearful two things would happen. My lawyer would put them on notice and I would file a criminal complaint because bill 168 says they cant do that. Hospitals and their CEO and other lackies are not without chink in tehir armor. One need only show such lickspittles how their actions are going to materially impact against them and teh hospital and teh bullying and fear stop. If it doesn’t, then teh criminal complaint can be worth some serious coin in your pocket. Always stand strong for those that are weak, and be firm against those who would bully. Remember they cant kill you so there is really nothing to fear is tehre

  9. Richard tremblay   July 25, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    There is a huge difference in speaking up and completely bash your employer unfairly. The employer has requirements and if you don’t agree with those requirements, you don’t go bash your employer on every public forum you can find. Isn’t it logical to have as a requirement to be able to converse with 100 % of your customers instead of 77 % ? If you’re going to ask customers to speak one language, are you going to ask them to render their own diagnosis ?

  10. jules   July 25, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    Chris there was a man who works in the Federal Government here in Ottawa and he was on the street with a sign about bullying and this kind of thing goes on everywhere. A lot of us used to honk the car horns for him in support. I saw him about 3 weeks ago and haven’t seen him back out since. Everyone is not happy nowadays and employers of all kinds take advantage of their employees in one form or another.

  11. Francesca   July 26, 2013 at 2:51 AM

    A nurse advocating on behalf of the patient gets suspended is a huge shame for the hospital. Nurses are suppose to be advocates for the patients. Patient advocacy is supposed to be part of their job. However, when nurses speak up and shine a light on the dangerous practices in many healthcare institutions due to endless budget cuts administrators and managers do not like to hear what these nurses have to say. This code of silence is so engrained in the nursing profession that we don’t even realise our continued silence is part of the problem. We need brave nurses to stand up and speak up about what is occurring in our hospitals. The whistle blower protection laws should protect our nurses and those who speak up against injustice or unsafe practices. Everything in health care or any of our public institutions needs to be more transparent. As a nurse and fellow citizen, I would stand up to right a wrong despite the possible retaliation. The fear of being legally responsible for the patient’s welfare while remaining in a hospital that does not take a nurses considerations seriously when the patients welfare is in question, should motivate all nurses to stand up and speak up. Because when something goes wrong and it always does go wrong, who do you think they will blame for the patients being harmed or quality of care jeopardized? It will be the very nurse who tried to avert the problem in the first place. Even if you are suspended, there has been clear documentation of the nurses attempt to right a wrong, so when that problem does occur. It reflects on the hospital negligence and not on the nurse. Meanwhile, the nurse should fight back for wrongful dismissal. Great letter Chris Cameron.

  12. Eric   July 26, 2013 at 6:39 AM

    Richard tremblay at 913PM, are you suggesting you are OK with percentages used for hiring on language?

    There is no way any hospital in the World will be able to meet 100% customer communication, even with online or phone translation services (as we see with 9-1-1 Operations). Even with infants and coma patients aside!

  13. stellabystarlight   July 26, 2013 at 6:45 AM

    @ Richard……my thoughts also. Nothing wrong with speaking out. Mrs Shay and Mr. Hickley did the right thing, however inciting people, causing disturbances and grandstanding is not the way to go about getting heard nor correcting a wrong.

    Mrs Shay and Mr. Hickley did want they had to do in a professional manner without getting the public involved. They need to be commended for coming forward that’s for sure but also for their professional approach.

  14. admin   July 26, 2013 at 7:34 AM

    Stella it’s the public that can help Ms Shay and Mr. Hickley and make sure that no City employee ever goes through what they have. The only way they could get any support is by going public.

    OUr world has evolved on protest. The French Revolution; the Russian Revolution; the American Revolution. People protesting and changing things is not something that should be condemned.

    Shame on you. It’s because of attitudes like this why so much corruption exists across the board.

  15. highlander   July 26, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    Eric July 26, 2013 at 6:39 am

    ” There is no way any hospital in the World will be able to meet 100% customer communication,”

    Most if not all American Hospital’s provide translation services for numerous languages other then English and not just for one.
    Is that not a better serice?

    Richard tremblay July 25, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    ” Isn’t it logical to have as a requirement to be able to converse with 100 % of your customers instead of 77 % ?”

    So you would agree like Hospital’s in the states in providing translation services for numerous languages to serve that 100% ,as let’s not forget there are 200 other languages in Canada.

  16. stellabystarlight   July 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM

    This will probably be deleted…….so be it.

    adm……They did the right thing in going public no one has ever said differently. The support is tremendous.

    Nothing wrong in coming forward that’s for sure but let me reiterate, there are good ways and wrong ways of dealing with issues. Did Mrs Shay picket the Glen Stor Dun Lodge or Mr. Hickley the Fire Station? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Nor did they try to get the entire city involved. The citizens got behind them without being cajoled to do so.

    By going through the proper channels…..they will get more accomplished and get this resolved sooner then later.

    The same can’t be said about picketers.

  17. Diane   July 26, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    Richard,

    Whistle Blowers by definition are not basting their employer unfairly. Like, myself they have tried every internal process to deal with the issue, (contravention of legislation) and are then faced with illegal retaliation for years by the most powerful people in your community.

    Chris,

    Thank you for your kind words and yes, it is a sad day in Canada when speaking the truth makes you a revolutionary.

    This process has made me question our government and more specifically the Liberals party who is well represented on Cornwall City Council.

    Take Care,

    Diane Shay

  18. admin   July 26, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    Stella why would I not allow your comment to go through? We have a clear policy on comments and a very very clear Mission and Vision statement.

  19. jules   July 26, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    As you all know I support bilingualism all the way but I do respect what Chris was doing. I don’t have to agree with everything and that is true but when you try to talk to your employer and it does not good then you have no other alternative at times but to take to the streets and inform the public about what is going on.

    Mrs. Shay about the Liberals-Fiberals believe me they are all the very same party under a different name. This is an election coming up with Ontario and Federal that I will not go out and vote because none are fit to rule. Ottawa is a big city and I don’t know the people who are running in my area for all three parties and I will not go out and make a mistake that I have to live with in my conscionse of voting for the wrong one. I do see where Liberal signs are being damaged by the public.

    Young Trudeau seems like a nice young man but I do not agree with his marijuana policy and also he is not made to be a PM at all. Harper is not PM material either – more like a spoiled child who has never grown up at all. I am keeping away from the voting booths this year.

    Mrs. Shay and Mr. Hickley and Darlene Walsh have been through hell and back and all the best to all of you. You sure showed tremendous courage and the word has to get out and for all of us to make the big changes necessary and make sure that it doesn’t repeat again.

  20. SoThick   July 26, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    To Admin,

    Yes you do have a clear policy and very very clear Mission and Vision Statement, more than what the City of Cornwall has. No politics here Stella….Keep up the good work CFN

  21. Richard tremblay   July 26, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    howard that seems to be your argument, serve 200 languages. If there was a need to help out in more then the 2 official languages, then so be it. But, should we neglect close to 10 million people that can express themselves in french ? To promote secession of our great country just because you think Quebec treats its minorities badly is just plain wrong.
    – you were from hudson québec, have you ever had any trouble getting service in english there, NOPE.
    – Have you been , to kirkland, pointe-claire, baie durfé, vaudreuil, lachute, Montreal, i could go on and on ? Alot of companies there advertise in english. Some have english names. You all should stop at Whites in view port de Montreal, service is superb. There are even a few irish pubs that are quite successful in the area. So it seems that howard complains without merit.

  22. Richard tremblay   July 26, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    shout…wrong LTE. my bad

  23. Hungry for the Truth....   July 26, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    highlander
    July 26, 2013 at 9:21 am

    “Most if not all American Hospital’s provide translation services for numerous languages other then English and not just for one. Is that not a better service?”

    I find this hard to believe but, my inquisitive nature is persuading me to investigate. At first glace it’s sketchy, because 35 of the 50 States have Legislation recognizing English as the Official Language. More later….

    “So you would agree like Hospital’s in the states in providing translation services for numerous languages to serve that 100% ,as let’s not forget there are 200 other languages in Canada.”

    How could anyone agree or justify the need to have translation services for numerous Languages when Canada has 2 official languages.

    Are you suggesting that we include them in your Representation by Population concept? We have a hard time finding an equilibrium for two official languages. IMAGINE….200….

    As I understand it, Canada requires all “NEW CANADIAN’S”
    by Immigration Law, as a prerequisite for Citizenship an agreement to learn one of the two Official Languages to access Services and Employment in Canada.

    So why would there be a need for translation services?

    This is not Freedom of religion, it’s a prerequisite for CITIZINSHIP. Which is agreed to as a condition.

    Got to go now, my sand Box is waiting!

    PS… You left in such a hurry yesterday you forgot
    to answer my question. How do you propose we initiate
    your Representation by Population objective?

  24. concerned citizen 2   July 26, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    @ Stella

    FYI: Teachers are picketers,just sayin…

  25. stellabystarlight   July 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    OMG CC2….that is wonderful.

    But the question remains do the teachers cajole and incite people? Do they barge in uninvited at scheduled gov meetings.
    Do they disrupt the public? Did they publicly and directly degrade and attack individuals on a personal level?

    The answers to the above questions is a resounding NO!!!

    Did some from the LFA…….YES.

  26. stellabystarlight   July 26, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    HFTT @highlander: PS… You left in such a hurry yesterday you forgot to answer my question. How do you propose we initiate
    your Representation by Population objective?

    You scared him away yesterday and he and the freedom fighters have not been back LOL

  27. Diddlyscwatt   July 26, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    Chris Cameron struck a cord with his two salient quotes:

    1) “ When Government’s fear the people that’s Democracy ,when the people fear the Government that’s Dictatorship”
    US president Thomas Jefferson.

    Chris, they damn well best fear the next election. PERIOD.

    2)George Orwell wrote:
    “In a time of Universal deceit – Telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

    What was wrong is now right. What was no is now okay. What was up is now down. What was of god is now buried. What was of the devil is now widely alright. What was a lie is now the truth.

    Is this the acceptable ‘New Age’. Is this because of free speech or part of the reassurances in a coexistent, multi-cultural and religious/non religious tolerance now expected of us?

    Why then do some get away with their intolerance while others are required to be tolerant of their intolerance. A real conundrum for most of us.

    Yet with all this facing our society today, our much more open social media society. BULLIES still rule????

    Bullies have determined that they have an earned right to bully. That is why. That is also why, more and ore citizens MUST SPEAK OUT AND SPEAK UP.

    We have such in Diane Shay and Rob Hickey as well as Darlene Walsh have become local hero’s.

    Get the picture.

  28. English Lassie   July 26, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    @Stella

    Do u have chronic lying disorder???
    OR do you have a problem spreading propaganda????
    Clearly it’s one or the other.

    LFA is a respectful group of concerned citizens, mostly professionals, advocating for fair government hiring practices.

    http://www.languagefairnessforall.org

    Pretty simple concept that seems to be way above your head…

  29. highlander   July 26, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    Hungry for the Truth…. July 26, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    “How could anyone agree or justify the need to have translation services for numerous Languages when Canada has 2 official languages.”

    So if it were a private entity it would in fact provide a better service for that population that is other then Official languages considering many parts of the country have a second language other then the “official ones”.

    Do you honestly think if a private entity ran a hospital that they would hire 65% bilingual for 20 % of the population?
    No they would go by merit first.

    So why can’t the government ensure where certain large populouses that speak another language that service is provided …unless it effects the governments agenda of pushing the French language “BEYOND WARRANTED”.

    PS… You left in such a hurry yesterday you forgot to answer my question. How do you propose we initiate your Representation by Population objective?

    Stats Canada has available stats for most communities why not use their data as we the citizens pay for this service.

  30. jules   July 26, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    I just wanted to add something else here. If it were not for Jamie’s CFN paper the people would not know about Mr. Hickley nor Mrs. Shay nor Darlene Walsh, etc. blowing the whistle as well as Chris Cameron coming forward as well. The toilet paper of record SF and the other toilet paper of Seaway News would have buried everything that is important like they usually do. They say that Jamie is not an official newspaper and criticizes this good man for all the hard work that he puts in to tell the people what is really going on in the community. People out there have to stand up with Jamie and the rest of the good people trying to expose what has been going on for a long time but more so under Bare Ass. If people do not learn the truth about what is going on then where are they going to turn to. All Cornwall has done from past to present is railroad the good people out of town and kept the scum (clique and all) going and the people being more miserable than ever before. In order to do something about it then people have to get active.

    I don’t believe in everything that Chris Cameron does but I support him because I want people to have a voice and if you have no voice then you have no democracy nor freedom. Very soon that freedom can be taken away from us and it is already being done in the US and elsewhere. We have to take advantage and wake up the people now before it is too late to do just that. You all owe Jamie a mighty big thank you including myself.

  31. Hungry for the Truth....   July 26, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    highlander
    July 26, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    “So if it were a private entity it would in fact provide a better service for that population that is other then Official languages considering many parts of the country have a second language other then the official ones”.

    The present laws require that services be in two Official Languages. “NEW CANADIANS” are informed and agree during the immigration process that they have to commit to learning one of the two Official Languages in order to have Employment opportunities and receive Services in Canada.

    “PS… You left in such a hurry yesterday you forgot to answer my question. How do you propose we initiate your Representation by Population objective?

    Stats Canada has available stats for most communities why not use their data as we the citizens pay for this service.”

    Thank You for answering. You’ll have to forgive my persistence in seeking an answer to what I believe is an excellent objective. Maybe my question was misunderstood. Because I’m not clear on your answer.

    You’re proposing that Stats Canada is how you would establish Representation by Population. So you consider that the 2 answers that the present data provides 1 – Which languages do you speak at home? 2 – Where do you live? Is plenty enough information to guide Public Institutions to draft FAIR HIRING
    POLICIES that will be reflective of Representation by Population?

    Excuse my bluntness but WHY IS IT NOT WORKING?

    You ask why not use their data? Because it’s insufficient and as a result translates to inadequate information to draft fair Policies.
    I did not say unreliable I said insufficient.

    Got to go now, my Sand box is waiting!

  32. highlander   July 28, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    Hungry for the Truth…. July 26, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    ” “Most if not all American Hospital’s provide translation services for numerous languages other then English and not just for one. Is that not a better service?”

    I find this hard to believe but, my inquisitive nature is persuading me to investigate. At first glace it’s sketchy, because 35 of the 50 States have Legislation recognizing English as the Official Language. More later….”

    By your lack of response are we to assume you did not get the answer that YOU WANTED.

  33. highlander   July 28, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    Live for lies,

    Well we here have gotten used to moniker changes as numerous others have changed after lies and ethnocentric behaviours were proven swiss miss comes to mind.

    With regards to language services because of the mandate of providing French services well beyond the need other language services certainly have suffered within government services.

    Example Ontario: In Toronto French is the 14th most spoken language yet bilingual French is becoming very prominent in hiring in the hospitals.

    Would it not benfit those 12-13 more prominent languages in the area to hire individuals as an asset to serve those populations rather then predominate French bilingualiam.

    Most PRIVATE HOSPITALS WOULD provide linguistic services
    Geared to the population demographics as apposed to providing services where not warranted.

  34. jules   July 28, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    Yesterday evening I was just fooling around on the computer and what I came up with by sure accident is that in England in a private school they are teaching young students from the kindergarden age Mandarin Chinese and these students are not Chinese but Brits. They were saying that the Chinese language is going to have to be a must to learn and to compete since China is becoming the new US.

    Many of you complain about learning French which is a great deal easier than learning Chinese? Look these are Brits and wanting to learn and their parents know the importance of knowing other languages. The more you know the better you are and that is the truth.

    I support Chris for having a word and defending what he believes in but I believe in people having more than one language and not be afraid to use it.

  35. Live for Lies....   July 28, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    Highlander!

    “Well we here have gotten used to moniker changes as numerous others have changed after lies and ethnocentric behaviours were proven swiss miss comes to mind.”

    I had to change it to better accommodate those that have
    mistaken me for a suit case. This way they can fell more comfortable when they feed me their misleading English ethnocentric lies.

    You understand MR WOLFE…..?????
    What happened to swiss miss did you run her out?

    Got to go now, my Sand box is waiting!

  36. Live for Lies....   July 28, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    Highlander
    July 28, 2013 at 10:34 am

    “OMG you really have your head in the sand like the ostrich that does’t want to see the reality . Now I Know why you go to your sandbox to tuck your head deeply in after stating your comments.”

    When I’m forced to run to my sand box it’s usually to
    avoid having to deal with unwarranted personal attacks.
    Usually by individuals that see benefits from this form
    of attacks and belittlement as a defence.

    Now I hope this softer approach works?

    Got to go now, my Sand box is waiting!

    Jamie I have made my comments SOFTER!
    Hope this one goes through.

  37. Furtz   July 28, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    @ Live for Lies…. I agree with and and enjoy most of your posts, but you should dump the sandbox tag. It only detracts from the points you make.

  38. highlander   July 28, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    Live for Lies…. July 28, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    ” This way they can fell more comfortable when they feed me their misleading English ethnocentric lies.”

    Most that comment want equality and fairness ,but go ahead paint all those as English ethnocentric…..your true colors are showing…..

    ” What happened to swiss miss did you run her out?”

    Well the commenters used the same tactic as the the French ethnocentric’s on here,bigotry does work both ways .

  39. admin   July 28, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    I agree with Furtz on that one.

  40. highlander   July 28, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    Furtz July 28, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    @ Live for Lies…. I agree with and and enjoy most of your posts, but you should dump the sandbox tag. It only detracts from the points you make.

    But why it well explains that it goes to the sandbox to tuck its head in .
    Gotta go to my sandbox and avoid reality and its ugly truth.

    {MODERATED}

  41. Hungry for the Truth....   July 28, 2013 at 4:43 PM

    Jamie & Furtz

    I have taken under advisement your suggestion
    to loose my Sand box tag. After deliberation
    it has been decided that it’s sound advise.

    The resolution passed and was unanimous
    that I will BLOW UP MY SAND BOX.

    Thank-You for the advice.

    PS I have also voted to return to my original
    moniker HUNGRY FOR THE TRUTH.

  42. Hungry for the Truth....   July 28, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    Highlander
    July 28, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    “Most that comment want equality and fairness ,but go ahead paint all those as English ethnocentric…..your true colors are showing…..”

    Please forgive my misunderstanding.
    I didn’t understand that ethnocentric was
    reserved gender as singular identification
    definition.

    So when you refer to stella or myself as
    FRENCH ETHNOCENTRIC it’s not the same.
    It’ not painting all the French as ethnocentrics.

    I’ll be more careful next time.

  43. Highlander   July 29, 2013 at 10:17 AM

    jules
    July 28, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    “Many of you complain about learning French which is a great deal easier than learning Chinese? Look these are Brits and wanting to learn and their parents know the importance of knowing other languages. The more you know the better you are and that is the truth.”

    I agree that learning languages can be beneficial ,but there is a distinct difference there in England …its a choice .

    When language becomes legislated and 65% of all government hires are bilingual is there really a choice if one wants their children to have opportunities?

    There are many languages out there and since French bilingualism is required many of the other fine languages are no longer are chosen .

    Latin,German and the numerous other languages that had be taught before the OLA are no longer available ,but mandating one language above all others is a detriment to those many other languages.

    It should remain a choice to learn language(s).

    Quebec refuses bilingualism as they believe assimilation would occur ,but yet with the many 200+ languages and cultures in Canada if one must learn French and its not of their heritage is it not the same assimilation ?

    So whats not good for the goose is good for the gander as CC2 states?

    Whatever did happen to all those OTHER languages that where taught in school? ….Official bilingualism and the language laws have truly wiped out the opportunity to have other language choices and for this limits language variety and assimilates those not of French heritage.

    Just really think of that ! Official languages limits the ability to learn languages outside of the 2 official languages.

    Language laws limits other languages ,all languages should be considered an asset.

  44. Highlander   July 29, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    Hungry for the Truth….
    July 28, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Hungry still waiting on that research about the American Hospitals providing numerous language services to better serve their clients .

    So is it not better to provide language services that reflects the community demographic’s?
    Or is it better to provide only one language outside of the common one ,which do you think better serves the community?

    Many immigrants have a hard time grasping either official language ,should their life be put at risk because of their poor grasp of OFFICIAL languages?

    Numerous Francophones have stated that in a medical emergency that not being able to communicate in French could be detrimental .

    What of those immigrants ? Is their life worth less because they cannot effectively communicate in either official languages ?
    Would it not be beneficial as like American Hospital’s provide translation services to better serve and prevent medical mishaps?

    Your rather slow on responding on this subject …or are you not that hungry for the truth or is that truth inconvenient with your beliefs ?

    Still waiting……

  45. Hungry for the Truth....   July 29, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    Highlander
    July 29, 2013 at 10:39 am

    “Many immigrants have a hard time grasping either official language ,should their life be put at risk because of their poor grasp of OFFICIAL languages?”

    My elderly French speaking father has had to use medical services in both Cornwall and Ottawa. In order to reassure him and comfort him, I have accompanied him to all of his appointments for the past 8 years and have acted as a translator in 95% of the times. He has a hard time to grasp one of the official languages. IT’S NOT JUST IMMIGRANTS.

    “What of those immigrants ? Is their life worth less because they cannot effectively communicate in either official languages ?
    Any life is regarded as important to save.

    Every life is equal in it’s worth. As a human being.
    What about the commitment that this “NEW CANADIAN” agreed to as a prerequisite of CITIZINSHIP. Do we just overlook this to make your unrealistic point.

    If you are referring to the possible tourist that may need medical attention while visiting Canada then I think that they will more than likely be accompanied by someone that can do as I have for my father. TRANSLATE.

  46. Highlander   July 29, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    Hungry for the Truth….
    July 29, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Hungry still waiting on that research your cough…cough…. cough……inquisitive mind wanted to know!

    “What about the commitment that this “NEW CANADIAN” agreed to as a prerequisite of CITIZINSHIP. Do we just overlook this to make your unrealistic point.”

    What unrealistic point! Private hospitals in the states are able to provide linguistic services-how is that unrealistic to expect that the state to do so for its citizens.

    Didn’t overlook this ,but its the REALITY that not all immigrants like you father are able to grasp the official languages effectively !

    No disrespect here How is your father not able to communicate in English he has been in Canada all his life the same argument could be said .That prerequisite is for either one of the official languages .

    But they have no translation rights that would be offered as would be in a private hospital if in their time of need they are unable to communicate effectively.

    Language rights are not just for French they are for everyone and a Private hospital respects that.

    The state hospitals are more concerned with pushing the agenda of FRENCH SERVICES LANGUAGE ACT and receiving additional money and protection for this.

    AND THAT’S THE REALITY PEOPLE !

    Hungry still waiting on the research with the American Hospitals and language services provided.

  47. Eric   July 29, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    HFTT, of course every life is important to save. A problem though, as possibly it was Highlander who pointed out, Ontario has classes now.

    Our Ontario French language commish, François Boileau, says “A designated agency or program provides its supplier with legal immunity that protects it from changes in the economic and political climate”.

    The Ontario Court of Appeal says it is OK to discriminate against English if it helps the French minority, and the Supreme Court is OK with that it appears.

    Federally our other language watchdog gets involved with Supreme Court challenges over not getting a 7up on Air Canada, so we can assume the federal government position on all this.

    I truly hope your dad improves.

  48. Hungry for the Truth....   July 29, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    Hihlander
    July 29, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    “No disrespect here How is your father not able to communicate in English he has been in Canada all his life the same argument could be said . That prerequisite is for either one of the official languages .”

    When you’re born in Canada there is no prerequisite.

    My father is proficient in French, with limited abilities in comprehending English. He speaks and understand without
    help one of the two official languages. Just can’t get adequate services in his understood language. And he is not the sole example, many are in his position.

    When you immigrate as a New Canadian you enter into a legal agreement to learn one of the two official languages.

    “Hungry still waiting on the research with the American Hospitals and language services provided.”

    It’s coming soon. The more you post the more I don’t understand what your point of American Private hospital’s has do with our Ontario Public System. Two complete different things.

  49. Highlander   July 29, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    Hungry hoping you father is well ,there is no disrespect here but as you say :
    Just can’t get adequate services in his understood language. And he is not the sole example, many are in his position.

    There are many like him ,but don’t communicate effectively in either of the official languages and that ‘s REALITY are they not to have linguistic services even when their health is at a detriment?

    “It’s coming soon. The more you post the more I don’t understand what your point of American Private hospital’s has do with our Ontario Public System. Two complete different things.”

    No it’s not two different things ! The only difference is private health care is willing to provide linguistic services for many languages but public remains for only one outside of the common language .

    Which one provides better services for the demographics ?

    For one language service outside of the common language or many, which would be the better choice?

    Still waiting………

  50. stellabystarlight   July 30, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Hmmm Spanish courses are now available at Queens.

    Mandarin and other Asian languages are being encouraged and offered in BC and Western Ontario.

    Eventually we will be the minority in our own country whether we like it or not.

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