Bilingual Rouse – Government Ineffectiveness in New Brunswick – LTE by Barry Irvine Campbellton

Bilingual Rouse – Government Ineffectiveness in New Brunswick – LTE by Barry Irvine Campbellton

LTE
Multiculturism is great and should be included in the school curriculums; communities should also offer taining centers (whether instructor only or combined with training materials such as books and/or software based) in public libraries or other public centers. Real life skills and practical real world learning is essential in today’s global village. Prioritizing a compulsory French immersion program through institutional bilingualism is a sample of government misrepresentation and an obvious sellout to Quebec and lobbyist demands. This restrictive and undemocratic practice violates Section 16.1 of the Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms that stipulate the right (as is the affirmed role of government and the legislature) to equal representation and specifically mentioned is distinct educational institutions.
Jody Carr, Education Minister for NB, could not, or did not, answer why our laws were being broken to enforce this institutional policy, He then went on to state that there will always be an insertion point for the French Immersion Program and that the stakeholder forced this policy. This was on Rogers’ Voice of the Province for a call in program; I’ve been notified by someone in Moncton that the program was rebroadcast but my first call, as well as two others, were censored. An exemption form for French Immersion for English kids stated that the program was compulsory in NB. It also stated in the third paragraph that there would be less opportunity in higher education and the work place for kids choosing to quit. So much for equal opportunity eh!!

As Bill 14 looms in Quebec we already see how this institutional racism that promotes Forced Immersion fails to acknowledge the more predominant Spanish or Mandarin as top languages prevelant in Europe as well as much of North America, including Canada. We should note that these policies, combined with Language Commissioner’s granting municipal councillors the power to accept Bill Z22 (sign laws), taken almost verbatim from Bill 22 and now called Bill 101, have crept across geographical boundaries and been enacted in the Russel Townships and municipalities in NB. These constitutional level laws have been classified as violations of the Freedom of Expression but allowed through a ‘notwithstanding’ clause with no other explanation than it furthers the French in our country. Allowing municipalities to promote such controversial laws through unqualified Councillors with no legal training, is misrepresentation by our government and its agents. The criminal behaviour and ineptness of this and previous Quebec Prime Ministers demonstrates that there is indeed “…something rotten in the State of Denmark.” as Shakespeare penned.

I hail from a French / English family and have an Acadian heritage. This is to no avail simply because I was brought up in the English school system and don’t consider myself bilingual, although I speak more French than most French people can speak English and are certified bilingual. The current system of bilingualism has high benchmarks for English – bilingual certification whereas there is little to certify French – bilingual. The system has no evaluative measures to check on the reprecussions of the societal effects of this affirmative action program that was created to appease the Quebec Seperatists and Acadians some half a century ago. The onus is always on the Majority population and the benefits laregly empower French first bilingualism.

Merit hiring has succumbed to the lobbyist (stakeholder) pressure and French has become the top prerequisite in government job banks here in Campbellton, NB. Our town has a French only community college, a French hospital administration and label, the next township (Atholville) has declared itself French (as did Dieppe, NB) and accepted Bill Z22 sign laws. There is a French only immigration center to the east of Campbellton (Dalhousie, NB) despite this area being predominantly French. This did not happen through atrition but more social engineering through minority funding and development through heritage dollars. Remember that English Acadians, or Anglocadians as I call them, are not considered in any of the French only Acadian papers that are free. There is no seperation of identity between French and Acadian around here so if you speak French you are accepted as Acadian.

I’ve written to all levels of goverment with these various observations, including our Prime Minister. I’ve yet to receive an answer, despite my comments in those correspondance that I represent a group of approximately 1000 members concerned with the discriminatory effects of this system of bilingualism enforced by our government. I’ve submitted proposals for removing the discriminatory effects of this system as well as for the Education Sector. I’ve always stipulated that this is a governmnt affair and that only a democratic and diplomatic solution should be considered. I am also a member of other National Language rights groups and have been drawn into this active role of democratic rights’ protection for 15 years.

My Facebook group, Equal Rights for New Brunswick Anglophones, has over 715 members currently. It is an open and inclusive group. I stipulate that we do not protest French Rights but instead focus on English rights and those areas that discriminate against us. I am ostericized in my own hometown and have been approached and threatened (online and off) for voicing my concerns. And that is echoed throughout Quebec’s streets. It is also reflective of the contradictory nature of the one-sided laws and policies that claim one thing but produce quite another. The government is apparently the only one not reacting to the growing voice of discontent to this ineffectiveness of office.

I implore each and every one who reads this to start considering a more active role in demanding their equal rights and representation. UNESCO, the international watchdog for Language Rights, acknowledges that the Freedom of Expression is the touchstone to heritage and cultural development. NATO forewarned of Nazi-like similarities to Quebec’s sovereignty and Bill 101. Others in the international community recognize language as a form of racism and some even go so far as to label institutional bilingualism as a form of institutional racism – but not OUR government. NOW is the time to act before we lose our voice completely.

More importantly, I implore all readers to PLEASE DO NOT confront individual citizens. This is a matter created through an undemocratic policy by government and only they can change this – but nothing will happen if YOU DO NOT ACT NOW!!

Thank you for your unity in advance.

Kindest Regards,
Barry Irvine
Concerned Patriot –  Campbellton, NB

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79 Responses to "Bilingual Rouse – Government Ineffectiveness in New Brunswick – LTE by Barry Irvine Campbellton"

  1. Cory Cameron   August 6, 2013 at 7:33 AM

    Excellent letter, Barry! Hello from Timmins, good sir!

  2. Eric   August 6, 2013 at 8:39 AM

    One can sense the passion to live in a better world within this letter. So, it looks like we can have the division we have now, where we do nothing, or create a better Canada by joining a few people together and asking for something better.

    It is time for multiculturalism and bilingualism 2 point o Canada!

  3. Highlander   August 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Thank you Barry may the Canadian people realized language apartheid is not just a local issue but a systemic one .

    Hey people from Ontario ,you want to see our future????

    Ask New Brunswicker’s what its like!!! AS This will be our future !

    Our rights are slowly being eroded by Language Apartheid,be it here in Ontario ,Quebec (the worst abuser) and New Brunswick .

    From what I have read it was bilingual services then evolved to parallel systems whereby there is french only and bilingual ,so this is called inclusion?

    YES …..J.V.ANDREWS 36 YEARS AGO HAD SEEN THE WRITING ON THE WALL AS A MILITARY PERSONNEL AND GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE WHEN HE PENNED THE BOOK :

    BILINGUALISM TODAY FRENCH TOMORROW

    IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A WAKE UP CALL FOR A FAIRNESS TO THE SITUATION BUT I GUESS MUCH SUFFERING MUST OCCUR FOR ENGLISH CANADIANS TO SAY:

    THAT’S ENOUGH OF MY RIGHTS BEING ERODED.

    STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS NOBODY ELSE WILL FOR YOU ,JUST BECAUSE YOU DO DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE A BIGOT !

    FOR THE WORD BIGOT HAD BEEN READILY USED TO SILENCE A PEOPLE WHO WERE JUSTLY RIGHT IN SPEAKING UP.

  4. John   August 6, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    With Pauline Marois at the helm of teh “Just Society” we see her brand of tyranny being expressed at the expense of anyone who speaks English. French is less than 4% of teh population yet we as teh rest of Canada are expected to bend to teh will of Quebec. I say that Political correctness has taken over, which loosely translates into those who push teh french agenda at teh expense of justice have what is called “intellectual Aids”.

    Acadian people are a separate and distinct culture from teh Quebecois and they in essence have their own brand of french which unlike Quebecois avec Joyal does not require to have a translator present to understand it. Them time has come to p[olitely but firmly tell Quebec that its divisive language laws and sign laws have no place in a free society. Quebec wants to dominate all aspects of life in quebec and now wants the rest of Canada to follow suite. The correct but politically incorrect answer is simple Non Merci.
    Fact is this. We had better learn to speak Spanish because we are getting to teh point where there will soon be more Spanish speakers than pure lain francais speaker.

    There is no french identity crisis never has been. It is a bogeyman teh Quebec politicians resurrect now and then to distract the populace from teh ills that are in Quebec, such as corruption, high taxes. There is no need to kneel to quebec and accord it special status. It is no more than teh sum of its parts like every other provicen, no better no worse. Time for Quebec to start to live in teh 21st Century rather than teh times of defeat at teh Plains of Abraham.

    De Oppresso Liber

  5. Joe   August 6, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    Bof!

  6. English Lassie   August 6, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    This letter hit a nerve with me today…
    I was at lcbo today & outside speakers were loudly broadcasting something in French only.I listened intently waiting for the English version, then music came on.Got me thinking Ontario is becoming Frenchified…Then it dawned on me all the lcbo employees must be bilingual, yet another place a pure laine English girl like me can’t work.
    I am ready to fight for my rights, sign me up!!!!

  7. edudyorlik   August 6, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    Very good LTE Barry.

    It reminds us that we ALL MUST stop pretending that what is going on in Quebec is ONLY a result of the PQ as the Liberals had their hand in bill 22 and never really opposed bills 178 or 101 to any major degree.

    I agree with John and English Lassie.
    John wrote, The time has come to politely but firmly tell Quebec that its divisive language laws and sign laws have no place in a free society.”

    And i add, “they” the French powers that be in Quebec (which is something that MUST be defined.

    Then, once we have that figured out according to whatever “set concept” that is decided upon.

    The next thing on the list as a MUST clarify is…

    Are they a province inside Canada or an independent country/nation?

    We can then stop this BS where by we are constantly being told, “oh, it’s only a small group of radicals.”

  8. Furtz   August 7, 2013 at 5:45 AM

    But edudyorlik, It IS only a small group of radicals. And they spend all their time yapping back and forth to each other on this site. Not exactly a national movement.

  9. Eric   August 7, 2013 at 6:40 AM

    Furtz, over 120,000 visited Cornwall Free News in June and July. http://cornwallfreenews.com/2013/08/121157-unique-visitors-for-cfn-in-june-july-2013-where-are-you-advertising-marketing-messaging-numbers/

    Perhaps Admin can give you a private break down by story as I imagine more people are interested in current events and language issues, than you perceive, even though they do not post.

  10. Highlander   August 7, 2013 at 6:48 AM

    Furtz
    August 7, 2013 at 5:45 am

    “But edudyorlik, It IS only a small group of radicals. And they spend all their time yapping back and forth to each other on this site. Not exactly a national movement.”

    Dream a little dream there Furtz I thought you ,stella ,Richard Trembley and lives for lies were a national movement!

  11. Eric   August 7, 2013 at 9:37 AM

    Mr. Irvine, can you lead a charge to ask New Brunswick citizens to vote on a question before the new language commissioner try’s her spin?

    Something like, currently, the commissioners mandate provides for increasing the minority language services at 20% or more. Should that number be increased? 32% would be the Census number of Francophone’s by mother tongue in the province.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2013/06/11/nb-official-languages-carrier-1150.html

    http://www.officiallanguages.nb.ca/newsroom/press-releases/statement-new-commissioner-official-languages-new-brunswick

  12. Highlander   August 7, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/355078/axe-du-mal-mark-steyn

    The US Government’s official list of state sponsors of terrorism:

    Currently there are four countries designated under these authorities: Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria.

    National Geographic’s exciting new Name That Fish competition:

    Contest is open only to individuals who have reached the age of majority in their jurisdiction of residence at the time of entry, who do NOT reside in Cuba, Iran, North Korea, the Province of Quebec, Sudan, or Syria…

    Does the National Geographic Society know something the National Security Agency doesn’t? Or did someone just get a surly waiter in Montreal?

    Well maybe the National geographic is on to something here !

  13. edudyorlik   August 7, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    @ EVERYONE…

    Stephane Gendron
    “You don’t promote a culture by crushing another one or erasing another one”

    like the French are doing in the “province” of Quebec with those insane laws which promote what is tantamount to government sponsored and promoted HATE towards anyone who is not French.

    They don’t even want the government phone lines
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2y7pCaU4ec&hd=1
    to offer English as an option.

    WHY? Because English is a threat to them. English is evil to them and according to them it must be stamped out. Just like the Canadian flag is evil to them and must be stamped out.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj9b1SyHpys&hd=1

    “bilingualism for/to the Francophones is death.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUPk2sijbgs&hd=1

    This is why Canadians in the rest of Canada MUST BE very careful about this — ever so slow but insidious French encroachment which is happening in EVERY PART of Canada outside the province of Quebec.

    Every day there are more and more demands for more and more French (or what they call bilingualism that ultimately turns into French ONLY. Like the French ONLY clinics in Eastern Ontario) services.

    What started as a simple kind gesture by the government (a gesture which btw was originally accepted and applauded by the majority English) to help the minority French feel included in Canada by providing service to the French in their language

    IN THE courts and the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ONLY

    has now been morphed into them trying to insist that Canada is a bilingual country WHICH, Canada is NOT a bilingual country.

    They have shown us what happens when they get “the numbers” in their favor in small towns and others areas. And of course, in the province of Quebec.

    Bilingualism becomes obsolete and is no longer the original quaint idea as things become

    FRENCH FIRST,
    FRENCH DOMINANT and then ultimately

    ****************** FRENCH ONLY ************

    WAKE UP folks. They are telling us right to our faces. In just about every situation we can hear their double speak. We also have the privilege of “French plants” hear in this forum who promote the French agenda here in an English forum on a daily basis.

    They force these kinds of French dominant rules on he rest of Canada.

    The military is top heavy with French being the only culture that can advance beyond a certain rank. THINK long and hard about this.

    http://youtu.be/AD-mHpMpBSw?t=57s

    None of this is by FLUKE. IT was planned and engineered to be that way. Does that not seem to you as a orchestrated “step” towards this country one day being French dominated?

    Think about that. Who controls the lower ranks if not those at the top. The same is happening with the federal government, the provincial governments and on down to things like national police forces (except in Quebec where , as we know, it’s French ONLY) and all other positions of power in this country.

    While they suck us dry
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1_NjmbbVHo&hd=1

    WAKE UP… SMELL the coffee.

    This is NOT about being nice and good neighbors. Something we tried… But, because we were so nice we were taken advantage of and are still being taken advantage of.

    This is about who will control this country moving into the future.

    Everyone reading this. Be sure to tell everyone you know about what is happening.

    Get informed and be involved.

    Language fairness for all
    http://www.languagefairnessforall.org/

    Canadians for Language fairness
    http://languagefairness.net/

    and for information watch these two videos.
    This one
    http://youtu.be/MhPcV0gtFR0?t=1m18s

    Where we hear and see Danny Williams (a respected former leader) tell us, in no uncertain terms, that there IS INDEED A CONSPIRACY going on where by Quebec is using every ounce of power including French politicians AT ALL LEVELS to – ONLY — advance and further the agenda and interests that are beneficial and good for the French and Quebec — ABOVE ALL other people and provinces in Canada —

    What more proof do you need?

    Something else we must also realize. There are hundreds of groups doing everything they can to forward this French agenda OVER ALL OTHERS in this country (some working within the federal government) the majority Anglophone Canadians (since we are the majority) are the ones paying the most for this through our federal government and mostly the ministry Heritage ministry. WE ARE PAYING FOR OUR OWN slow and systematic ULTIMATE DEMISE. How sick is that?

    And this video,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvHN_Ucard4&hd=1

    which takes you through the “steps” which were written in a book by J.V. Andrew in the late 1970′s called

    Bilingual Today — French Tomorrow.

    Much of what was was predicted in this book either has been, or is, coming to light NOW in Canada.

    You cannot say you have not been warned.

    WAKE UP. GET INVOLVED.

    As i said, the term bilingualism is just the double speak “buzz word” OR “catch phrase” which ultimately, once the entrenchment is reached really means FRENCH ONLY and the proof is right in front of all of us.

    PS.
    New Brunswick is also going though this as well. As a matter of fact they are a few “steps” ahead with things like bill Z22 a language law going through right now which is similar to bill 22 which was passed in Quebec before bill 101.

    ______\||/
    _____(o o)
    —-ooO-(_)-Ooo——-

    You CANNOT ignore the TRUTH.

  14. Highlander   August 7, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/caught+fight+over+right+English+education/8755089/story.html

    “The province’s replacement law, Bill 115, devised a system of points under which schools and students are rated. Quebec’s former minister of education Michèle Courchesne said at the time: “I won’t deny that the objective is to have as few as possible (approved).”

    Objective to have as few English students as possible -so much for bilingualism!

    welcome to Language apartheid!

    And New Brunswick has bill similar to this!

  15. stellabystarlight   August 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    Eric wrote: Furtz, over 120,000 visited Cornwall Free News in June and July

    yorlik wrote: into them trying to insist that Canada is a bilingual country WHICH, Canada is NOT a bilingual country.

    Canada has TWO OFFICIAL LANGUAGES WHICH MAKES US A BILINGUAL COUNTRY……..

    yorlik wrote: We also have the privilege of “French plants” hear in this forum who promote the French agenda here in an English forum on a daily basis.

    Excuse me? Until adm says differently, all are welcome here. You should take time to read CFN’S Mission Statement instead of posting such nonsense.

    CANADA THE LAND OF THE FREE
    WE WILL STAND ON GUARD FOR THEE
    FREEDOM FIGHTERS DON’T AGREE
    THAT IS TOO BAD….JUST LET THEM BE.

    LANGUAGE APARTHIED SO THEY CLAIM
    AND THEY SAY THIS WITHOUT SHAME
    LET”S KEEP OUR LAND GLORIOUS AND FREE
    FOR THOSE THAT AREN”T HAPPY, YOU CAN FLEE

  16. Highlander   August 7, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    stellabystarlight
    August 7, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    “yorlik wrote: We also have the privilege of “French plants” hear in this forum who promote the French agenda here in an English forum on a daily basis.”

    “Excuse me? Until adm says differently, all are welcome here. You should take time to read CFN’S Mission Statement instead of posting such nonsense.”

    ****HEY FOLKS DID YOU NOTICE NO DENIAL OF THOSE “FRENCH PLANTS”****

    “LANGUAGE APARTHIED SO THEY CLAIM
    AND THEY SAY THIS WITHOUT SHAME
    LET”S KEEP OUR LAND GLORIOUS AND FREE
    FOR THOSE THAT AREN”T HAPPY, YOU CAN FLEE”

    OH ISN’T THAT SO CUTE IF YOU DO NOT LIKE LANGUAGE APARTHEID GO LEAVE …LIKE THOSE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ENGLISH QUEBECERS ?

    I’M SORRY WERE MY RIGHTS GETTING IN THE WAY OF YOUR BIGOTRY?

    YOU SEE PEOPLE WE HAVE IMPORTED LANGUAGE ISSUES FROM QUEBEC AS MORE MOVE HERE IN ONTARIO AND THE SAME COULD BE SAID FOR NEW BRUNSWICK!

    FROM YOUR LOCAL FREEDOM(RIGHTS) FIGHTER

  17. edudyorlik   August 7, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Oh stella, you are so out of your league.

    I never said you were not welcome. You are VERY welcome here. TOO welcome in fact. 😉

    I simply made it clear as to WHAT YOU ARE. After all, this forum here is certainly not a French forum discussing whatever it is they discuss in those French forums. hummm, i wonder what that might be? 🙂 Ah yes, how to rid themselves of the English language and the English culture. And how les moudit Anglais are aving too much hinglish in the forum L-)

    And NO… Canada IS NOT a bilingual country. Not official nor in any ones mind — but yours.

    Just like you thought the students in Montreal paid THE MOST in tuition fees when they actually paid THE LEAST.

    — A FACT that ONE OF YOUR OWN had to step in and correct for you —

    Perhaps hftT (since i am sure he/she is aware of the distinction and would not want you going around spewing misinformation) will be happy to “step in & help” correct this one for you.

    Oh… For the record. In case you forgot. The British beat the French and won the war. Canada was ceded by France (look up that word) to the British.

    Had the English/British not been so kind there would be ZERO French in Canada at all. The French owe the fact that they still exist in Canada to the English/British.

    AND, not only right after the battle but later in history as well when Governor Lord Dorchester

    “persuaded London to facilitate the survival of the French language in conquered Quebec.”

    “The existence of French Canada today owes MUCH to Lord Dorchesters efforts.”

    How did the French show their appreciation? In the usual French style. They (figuratively speaking) stabbed his memory in the back and re-named Dorchester blvd (well most of it) to Rene Levesque blvd.

    NICE !!!

    Check back Stella. You will find that most of Montreal was built by non French (Anglo’s Irish, Scotts etc). The French were mostly working on the farms as all of this was taking place. The French owe much of what is there now (bridges etc) to the hard work of EVERYONE ELSE.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZwHOVPCLIw&hd=1

    But, you should still have a nice history learning day eh 🙂

  18. edudyorlik   August 7, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/b3gq0vGzHIfuXyUPIpafhx6_WVDMsZZZZAZxdaVDyTQ=w261-h277-p-no

    ______\||/
    _____(o o)
    —-ooO-(_)-Ooo——-

    You CANNOT ignore the TRUTH.

  19. Eric   August 7, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    To stellabystarlight

    FOR THOSE THAT AREN”T HAPPY, YOU CAN FLEE
    Some did using an amazing egress
    And almost found Canada the land of the free
    But issues of language continued to be a mess

    A few came along
    And a few more watched
    They were not deterred when called wrong
    Because they knew this bilingualism was botched

  20. Furtz   August 7, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    @ Stella. Clearly, the freedom-fighters would rather chitchat among themselves without people disagreeing or challenging them. They don’t take kindly to people with different views. This, of course, is why their ranks are so thin. They might as well meet in somebody’s basement on the third Thursday of every month, and b!tch and chew, and do it again the next month. As long as these people are socially engaged and focused on a cause, it can’t be all bad, unless they start buying pressure cookers.

  21. Louise   August 7, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    If you agree with this petition please sign and share.

    http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/the-government-of-new-brunswick-stop-the-hiring-discrimination-against-citizens-who-speak-only-english

  22. stellabystarlight   August 7, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Louise not enough people in NB to sign your petition?

  23. stellabystarlight   August 7, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    Furtz………LMAO!!! According to highlander, it may come to that. He keeps bringing up civil war. The pressure cooker may be the warning of things to come.

  24. stellabystarlight   August 7, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    highlander wrote: And New Brunswick has bill similar to this!

    Who cares?

  25. Furtz   August 7, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    @ Stella. Let’s hope they stick with boiled pig’s feet and mutton. There was a mention of taking up arms a few weeks ago, but the idea didn’t take off.

  26. Highlander   August 8, 2013 at 7:22 AM

    http://www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.qc.ca/dynamicSearch/telecharge.php?type=2&file=%2FC_12%2FC12_A.html

    CHAPTER I.1
    RIGHT TO EQUAL RECOGNITION AND EXERCISE OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS
    10. Every person has a right to full and equal recognition and exercise of his human rights and freedoms, without distinction, exclusion or preference based on race, colour, sex, pregnancy, sexual orientation, civil status, age except as provided by law, religion, political convictions, language, ethnic or national origin, social condition, a handicap or the use of any means to palliate a handicap.

    Bill 101 and 14 violates Quebec’s Charter 10 -So there really is an exception to equal rights !

  27. Highlander   August 8, 2013 at 7:45 AM

    Louise
    August 7, 2013 at 5:57 pm- Great to see you on here.
    petition already signed.

    Furtz
    August 7, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    “They might as well meet in somebody’s basement on the third Thursday of every month”

    Much like those revolutionary people of science they had to hide out in taverns basements to talk of the world being round with the potential threat of an oppressor “the church”.

    stellabystarlight
    August 7, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    “Furtz………LMAO!!! According to highlander, it may come to that. He keeps bringing up civil war. The pressure cooker may be the warning of things to come.”

    Furtz
    August 7, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    “There was a mention of taking up arms a few weeks ago, but the idea didn’t take off.”

    Stella and Furtz great spin you put on it !
    Dr.Goebbels would be proud of you both.

    It was mentioned that increasingly more are talking of civil war on line and I would never advocate for such a thing.

    stellabystarlight
    August 7, 2013 at 6:56 pm
    highlander wrote: And New Brunswick has bill similar to this!

    “Who cares?”

    They are Canadian Citizens what effects them effects Canada -perhaps you should look up regulation 17 and Quebec’s reaction to it .

    BUT WHO CARES, RIGHT ?

    BUT A GREAT ETHNOCENTRIC RESPONSE THOUGH!

  28. Highlander   August 8, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    http://www.feelguide.com/2013/08/07/londons-the-economist-on-why-quebecs-language-laws-make-it-the-worlds-shittiest-business-center/

    There are so many articles on Quebec and their fascist government,it keeps growing.

  29. Highlander   August 8, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2011/10/28/nb-dieppe-bilingual-sign-bylaw.html

    french activist groups advocating to push city officials to force bilingual signs on those private bussiness owners with a sign bylaw .

    What gives the municipality the right to dictate what goes on a private business sign -welcome to Russian style socialism.

  30. Highlander   August 9, 2013 at 4:00 AM

    Hi folks ,

    Think of this :

    French activist groups pushing and sign language laws in Ontario -Russell township .

    French activist groups pushing and passing sign laws in in New Brunswick.

    Quebec fascist government has an entire catalog of language laws,not for bilingualism but to oppress the English language.

    Why are french activist groups and the Quebec government so intent on violating the charters right to personal expression of a businessmen/businesswomen.

    Yes those rights of business owners to chose what they wish to advertise be it any language it should and must remain their choice.

    As the state dictates language laws it is reminiscence of communist Russia where the state controls the people and their day to day lives.

    Fascism in Quebec and continue that mandate with french activist groups pushing for fascism in Ontario and New Brunswick.

    Let a free people be ,let those owners of businesses decide what language(s) they choose .
    What next the state will tell us what words or language is to come out of our mouths?

    WAIT THERE IS LEGISLATION FOR THAT IN QUEBEC WITH BILL 14 TELLING COMPANIES WITH 25 OR MORE EMPLOYEE’S THAT THEY MUST NOT ONLY OPERATE IN FRENCH BUT **MUST ** SPEAK IT AS WELL AMONG EMPLOYEE’S.

    WELCOME TO CANADA’S OWN APARTHEID
    ****LANGUAGE APARTHEID****

    HEY ITS MY RIGHTS….. AND I AM NOT WILLING TO ALLOW THE GOVERNMENTS TO STRIP THEM AWAY.

    WHAT ABOUT YOU ?
    ARE YOU WILLING TO LOSE THOSE RIGHTS VETERANS FOUGHT AND DIED FOR !

    WELL I GUESS YOU ARE ,JUST FOR APPEASEMENT FOR THAT DISTINCT SOCIETY.

  31. Barry Irvine   August 9, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Thanks to one and all for contributing to this thread. I would point out that Our constitution states we were never meant to all know two languages. UNESCO also specifies that minority rights mustn’t interfere with the federal organization (majority). It was rather peculiar back in the day when Trudeau began his trips to China and subsequently we have the same minority rule in our civil government, known as the Mandarin Syndrome in communist China.

    When Jody Carr admitted to breaking the law to force Stakeholder interests above those of the majority rights he admitted something even more in my mind. When the State dictates policy to prioritize learning French Second Language for the majority in all English schools they promote French culture and heritage above ours. Language is one thing but when you force kids to learn French arts and French math, etc., you alter learning beyond language issues.

    Think of some of the tests you took in math, especially word problems. Remember the confusing ambiguity of some questions?? Now inject another language asking you these problems… The children get frustrated at the very least. This is not expected in French schools and the certification and testing for French bilingual is not as stringent either. This institutional racism is lobsided and violates our heritage and culture while allowing elected and appointed politicians to break the law, change our constitution (notwithstanding), promote Quebec’s invasive language laws that violate our Freedom of Expression and more.

    It uses social engineering to promote change and subvert (or exploit as the SANB calls it) attrition and the natural processes. It allows common folk (councillors at the Municipal level) to promote Quebec French Language Laws such as Bill 22 labelled Bill Z22. The Z probably stands for snooze you lose. The Language Commissioner of NB, Michael Carrier, passed this. The SANB goes in and promotes the Bill (Z22) afterwards and the economic carrot dangling is just the tip of the iceberg of Frenchification.

    So in Quebec the lawyer who struck down a bilingual medical teaching hospital for a French only hospital for the reasons of watering down French Language then wins the case in the Russell Townships in Ontario to promote the, as of then illegal, Quebec Sign Laws to promote bilingualism. There are dozens of more contradictions to the rouse of bilingualism that we tried to address our government about but they won’t even listen and simply give the ‘carte blanche’ party line that the PC fully support bilingualism – despite my reproach that it violates our rights and is discriminatory. Still think your government doesn’t know what is going on?? THINK AGAIN!

  32. edudyorlik   August 10, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    Barry wrote, “Language is one thing but when you force kids to learn French arts
    and French math, etc., you alter learning beyond language issues. Think of some of the
    tests you took in math, especially word problems. Remember the confusing ambiguity of some questions?? Now inject another language asking you these problems… The children get frustrated at the very least. This is not expected in French schools and the certification and testing for French bilingual is not as stringent either.”

    Well said Barry. I can just imagine.
    I have also heard an example from both my own sons’ experience in his school — AND —
    from a few others as well through friends etc) that there is a degree
    of French cultural bias that comes across in these French immersion programs also.

    Of course, this would stand to reason wouldn’t it ?

    The teachers for these programs are generally culturally more tied to the
    French Canadian side.

    Through simple pride, one can imagine how this could lead to an innate degree of
    self promotion of ones OWN CULTURE.

    It stands to reason that these — mostly “French” teachers — actually come to this
    teaching scenario and automatically bring with them their own inborn French cultural
    experiences.

    Given what we know of the typical character of MANY of the French there is little doubt
    that this bias “creeps in” when they are teaching history or speaking about historical
    events (especially Canadian historical events.)

    The predominant narrative that gets taught is likely that of the French culture side
    as opposed to the Anglo cultural side.

    So, along with the problems you mention of dealing with difficult math equations combined
    with the language at what point do we say enough.

    This degree of subtle culturally bias “programming” that MUST be going on
    seems like a given.

    But that — does not — make it good situation, or right.

  33. Barry Irvine   August 10, 2013 at 6:43 AM

    I have heard of a situation where a teacher was preplaced in the English school for a less experienced teacher who was hired for her French bilingual skills. Merit hiring be damned!

  34. Canadian   August 10, 2013 at 9:25 AM

    I have nothing against the Fre”nch or English languages. My beef is about when I go to a store and speak to the person working there in English and they reply in French. I would have no problem with this if that person couldn’t speak English, but when this happens and the person clearly does speak English, this pisses me off. This has happened to me plenty of times in many of the stores around here. If it’s a bilingual province you should be served in the language of your choice. This also happened at the hospital too with some of the nurses. They call this a “bilingual” province, bs.

  35. Highlander   August 10, 2013 at 9:57 AM

    Barry Irvine
    August 10, 2013 at 6:43 am

    “I have heard of a situation where a teacher was preplaced in the English school for a less experienced teacher who was hired for her French bilingual skills. Merit hiring be damned!”

    Well Barry here in Ontario often french language communication takes precedence over MERIT and is very prominent with teacher’s and nursing .

    We hear of many examples including and not limited to those professions.

    A example is LFA’s president Chris Cameron who has 12 years experience in a level one unit and certification in his field and was denied a position due to language and not for lack of merit.

    The person who received the job had no experience in that field,no certification ..nothing ,BUT THEY SPOKE FRENCH.

    THE TAXPAYERS FOOTED THAT BILL TO TRAIN THAT INDIVIDUAL IN THAT FIELD AT AN APPROX COST OF $18,000 + YET STILL THAT PERSON STILL HAD NO EXPERIENCE .

    So you see that hiring process was geared to that bilingual hiring quota as opposed to patient care and best practices.

    Chris has said to the groups that there is a lot more damaging information to the story ,but he wishes not to get those staff members involved and put their employment at risk.

    Debbie Cameron who also is a well Qualified nurse with 4 specialties in what is classified as acute care could not even give a flu shot at a flu shot clinic because SHE WAS NOT BILINGUAL ENOUGH!

    If language were taken out of that equation she would have been considered well over qualified ,but that should not limit her employment,but language has.

    Barry I am sure there are a great amount of stories similar to this in New Brunswick .
    What Canadians must understand and learn by these scenarios is that Canada as well as individual provinces now have with language laws that ENCOURAGED LANGUAGE APARTHEID.

    EQUALITY AND RIGHTS SHOULD NEVER HAVE EXCEPTIONS!

  36. KaylaMarie   August 10, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    You want to know what it is like trying to get a job as an English only speaking Canadian? I live in a small community. I passed out 20+ applications for jobs here in town. I got turned down for 18 jobs because there where other people that applied that spoke French ONLY and got the job over me. When I finally did get a job as a cashier for (insert big name canadian grocery store here) I was told that I could never move up in the company because I did not speak french. That I would have to learn basic’s in order to interact with patrons . Yet they do not offer a french as second language class I would have to pay out of pocket on a minimum wage salary. Needless to say I did not. Not only to you get harassed by your employer to learn french if you do not speak it you have people come in and be extremely rude to you because you don’t speak french. I had one woman who was french in English tell me that we did not have enough people at our store that spoke french that she was tired of not being able to be served in french. Said ” I may speak english but every where else serves me in French so you should have to as well.” I was dumb founded to say the least. I can’t say anything that wouldn’t offend this ‘high class’ bilingual woman so was forced to say nothing even after being told that I should not be working there because I do not speak french. If she has a right to be french and get a job and be served in french why is it that I who was raised English. Have to jump through hoops to find a job where I am ultimately Forced to stay in the same position and watch french speaking only teenagers pass over me? I have gone into countless stores all over N.B and could not get service because I AM ENGLISH. And yet I have to sit on my hands and say nothing wile they chastise me for not speaking ‘thier language’. I get lost in communities because there signs are all in french and when I try to get help no one speaks English!! Really people did I just step off a plane in another country? This is not the Canada I grew up in. There was laws to protect us back then. We had freedom of speech with out people threatening to fire us. We had laws that said all signs must be in french and English. So the majority of us would not get confused and not know where we are going. When did this become a french nation? I have nothing against french speaking persons. My boyfriend was raised french but speaks english as well. All I am asking for is Equal Rights. If I have to go through this hell in order to live in this place so should they. If I have to learn ‘basic’ french for a job they should have to learn English. All signs should be written in both languages and damn it give me back my freedom of speech. I am sick and tired of living in a country which I was born in and yet People from every other country, race, creed and language get treated better than I do. Of my basic charter rights being taken away by a company just so I do not ‘offend’ a minority that is calling me dirt because of my language. This needs to change. If I wanted my children to grow up with no rights and no freedoms and forced to learn a language no one in there family speaks. I would have birthed them in a communist country. People need to take a look around and see what’s happening here. I am not asking for the world on a platter. I am simply asking for the Equal Rights advertised in our charter of rights and freedoms. So I may not be discriminated against because I am a English speaking Canadian. It should not be french over English or even English over french for that matter. It should be both Equal.

  37. Highlander   August 10, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    Canadian
    August 10, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Welcome Canadian to the conversation.

    Yes bilingualism today ,French tomorrow.

    Funny how Canadian bilingualism works ,imported and pushed by many provinces yet Denied in Quebec .

    Funny how bilingualism works when language laws in Quebec force prominence of one language for business owners .
    But yet Ont,NB have language laws that force bilingual on business signs .

    Now people you do see that Quebec refuses bilingualism yet 15%+ are predominant English ,yet Ontario with 4% francophone population are going hell bent on bilingualism.

    THIS IS NOT A COINCIDENCE

    BILINGUAL TODAY FRENCH TOMORROW!

    THE CONTINUED SAGA OF LANGUAGE APARTHEID

  38. stellabystarlight   August 10, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    Kayla….that is truly touching. Perhaps you should try to get galganov to move to NB. You want change, HE IS THE MAN. He has done wonders in Quebec and Ontario for the English people.

  39. stellabystarlight   August 10, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    Canadian…..I would be pissed too. That is terrible. I would write to the language commissioner if I were you. YOUR RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED.

  40. Highlander   August 10, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    KaylaMarie
    August 10, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Welcome KaylaMarie to the conversation .

    Thank you for your impassioned response I was moved and could not help but think of the past in the United States and the civil rights movement then it was skin color, Today in Canada its about language.

    So is it fair to say that because you speak English only like 80% of the country you have less opportunities and rights ?

    “Not only to you get harassed by your employer to learn french if you do not speak it you have people come in and be extremely rude to you because you don’t speak french.”

    It is that sense of entitlement “I am part of that distinct society”

    “I have gone into countless stores all over N.B and could not get service because I AM ENGLISH. And yet I have to sit on my hands and say nothing wile they chastise me for not speaking ‘thier language’.”

    Remember the English have allowed for their rights to be stripped away SLOWLY by saying nothing and watching the intent of fairness to develop to a sense of entitlement and a loss of their own rights !

    It comes down to this in Canada “Bilingual today French tomorrow.”

    KaylaMarie stand proud ,you should not be a second class citizen but language laws have created ” LANGUAGE APARTHEID” .

    You have every right to exist and you are equal under Gods eyes but not under Canadian language laws ,remember there are many other’s in your shoes and you and they can make a difference against language apartheid.

    Speak up as you have here ,It allows others to see what is happening in other regions -we need a serious nation wide conversation on Our LANGUAGE APARTHEID.

    If only more came out and told their story as you have, they would realize that they are far from alone and that strength in numbers can have a voice for change.

    INTERNATIONAL NEWS AGENCIES HAVE CLASSIFIED CANADA’S LANGUAGE LAWS AS LANGUAGE APARTHEID AND JUSTIFIABLY SO.

    ONTARIAN’S THIS IS OUR FUTURE WITHIN 10 YEARS THIS IS WHERE WE WILL BE . STOP FOR A SECOND AND REALIZE THIS:

    IN A FREE COUNTRY SHOULD THE RIGHTS OF A MINORITY COME AT THE COST OF THE MAJORITY ?-ARE NOT ALL RIGHTS EQUAL ?

    STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS ,THEY ARE YOURS AND NO INTEREST GROUP OR GOVERNMENT HAS A RIGHT TO TAKE THEM AWAY .

    KAYLAMARIE -THANK YOU .Please remember this :Just because you do not speak the second language does not make you any less of a citizen with equal rights .

  41. withinNB   August 10, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    Actually government has been very effective, for the Acadian French speaking … non Acadians have been shut out, just as all nine provinces have been shut out when it comes to the Nation of Quebec. Pierre Trudeau told Quebec he had given them all the power they needed to control the rest of Canada and to be paid from the rest of Canada for eternity. He did .. he looked after his then province and people from Quebec. Typically the anglophone majority are silent and polite and we do not stick together as one, as a result, we have been defeated and will continue to see the demise of the majority in New Brunswick. It is what it is .. change would only come as it did in Ireland, South Africa, the USA and other nations .. but we non Quebec and non Acadian’s are pacifists unlike other minorities .. we are politically correct and thus the term used when referring to anglophones by francophone – tete carrier – square heads. Now we can not get jobs and when government restructures, like many businesses, the requirement is for french language and last name (acadians) … the same applies to federal government.

  42. edudyorlik   August 10, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    @KaylaMarie RE: your post on August 10, 2013 at 11:42 am

    I sure hope you come back to see the replies from the wonderful heartfelt rant you wrote here. I can tell you that MANY of us have a similar story. There are hundreds, if not thousands of Canadians that have a similar story to what you said. i have a few myself which i will leave for now.

    I would like to invite you to get involved with the various groups

    Language fairness for all (LFA)
    http://www.languagefairnessforall.org/shame/

    or

    Canadians for Language Fairness (CLF)
    and or
    http://languagefairness.net/

    Or you can learn about stories similar to yours and other things that are going on
    by checking out my YouTube page.

    Either click on my pseudonym or click on this link.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/edudyorlik

    Just stay tuned and involved.
    Tell your friends and get them to log on too.

    Because, the English ARE THE MAJORITY in this country and
    as our numbers grow we will eventually take our message to those who will have to listen.

    i for one am fed up of paying (with my taxes) for all these groups that are basically slowly erroding my rights and making it so that no one can work in this country unless they can speak French.

    NOT FAIR — NOT RIGHT and MUST BE CHALLENGED.

    Especially while the French in the province of Quebec are walking around acting as if
    Quebec is it’s own country (when it’s ONLY a province inside the country of Canada)
    passing laws against the English language and the English culture.

    PS: You may not understand the reasoning behind what i am about to say but, believe me,
    it’s probably true.

    Your plight and the way you wrote about it is VERY heartbreaking indeed and disgusting
    as far as i (and many folks here) are concerned but, i have a feeling you provided an
    orgasmic experience to a few that frequent this forum who love nothing more than to read how things have reversed
    and much power the French seem to have gained over the past few decades outside of Quebec.

    PPS: Like you i don’t wish anything bad to the French i just don’t believe this situation
    should be this imbalanced and unfair to the majority Anglophones in the way that it
    is right now in this country.

  43. Christopher Cameron   August 10, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    KaylaMarie you are to be commended for standing up for your rights by speaking openly with regards to your plight.

    CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS

    16.(1) English and French are the official languages of Canada and have equality of status and equal rights and privileges as to their use in all institutions of the parliament and government of Canada.

    16.1(1) The English linguistic community and the French linguistic community in New Brunswick have equality of status and equal rights and privileges ,including the right to distinct educational institutions and such distinct cultural institutions as are necessary for the preservation and promotion of those communities.

    New Brunswick school district 2 :

    Request for exemption from French second language

    It states prior to signing this:

    “Before making application application for french language exemption ,parents are urged to consider the implication for their children in terms of future education opportunities and careers in a bilingual province and country”

    Question -If linguistic communities are to have equal status why would there be implications by not having the second language and it limiting their education and opportunities ?

    Question- If both linguistic communities have equal rights and privileges ,why would they be limited on those privileges by having only one language ,and thus unequal rights for those education and opportunities ?

    Question- Does the francophone schools have the same “warning” if they do not enroll their children in English second language courses ?

    Question -In that statement the school has indicated that because of parents not having enrolled their children in french as a second language that their children will be limited to education opportunities ?
    What of the charters right to distinct educational institutions ?
    What of the charters equal rights and privileges -Is this limited because of not having the second language ?
    Are there exemptions to those rights and privileges that I have not seen in the charter ?

    There should not be Limitations in Education or employment opportunities because of not having a second language as merit should always take precedence .

    Since when is Canada bilingual ?-We are a country with two official languages.

  44. bella   August 10, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    stellabystarlight
    August 10, 2013 at 4:05 pm
    Kayla….that is truly touching. Perhaps you should try to get galganov to move to NB. You want change, HE IS THE MAN. He has done wonders in Quebec and Ontario for the English people.

    stellabystarlight
    August 10, 2013 at 4:09 pm
    Canadian…..I would be pissed too. That is terrible. I would write to the language commissioner if I were you. YOUR RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED.

    And you think people shouldn’t waste time their time with me?
    You are just too precious for words.

  45. Highlander   August 10, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    stellabystarlight
    August 10, 2013 at 4:05 pm
    Kayla….that is truly touching. Perhaps you should try to get galganov to move to NB. You want change, HE IS THE MAN. He has done wonders in Quebec and Ontario for the English people.

    stellabystarlight
    August 10, 2013 at 4:09 pm
    Canadian…..I would be pissed too. That is terrible. I would write to the language commissioner if I were you. YOUR RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED.

    Oh Kayla and Canadian not to worry Stella here is the local bigot and bully there are a few like minded like her but the majority can’t stand them .

    They believe in oppressing rights and segregation!

  46. edudyorlik   August 10, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    Oh Stella,
    you are so filled with couth. NOT!!!

    This young girl working at a grocery story gets yelled at and you can’t even find it within yourself to step outside the issue and try to understand.

    Ah but, then again, it would be totally beyond NORMAL for anyone that has gotten to know you and your “level of class” here to expect anything different.

    KaylaMarie, if you come back to read these posts, be sure NOT TO pay any attention to this poster/woman. She is misinformed and VERY bitter and quite full of herself.

  47. Eric   August 11, 2013 at 6:09 AM

    Folks, ignore the man ( and woman) behind the curtain, Furtz and stellabystarlight are just trying to stop people from seeing.

    Good advice for you to follow if this issue affects or concerns you.

    ””””'”I would like to invite you to get involved with the various groups

    Language fairness for all (LFA)
    http://www.languagefairnessforall.org/shame/

    or

    Canadians for Language Fairness (CLF)
    and or
    http://languagefairness.net/

    Or you can learn about stories similar to yours and other things that are going on
    by checking out my YouTube page.

    Either click on my pseudonym or click on this link.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/edudyorlik

  48. edudyorlik   August 11, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    As for armed militia

    From all the “legitimate media” reports that i have seen, it seems that the only people that seem to have these groups (and re-incarnates of these groups) is on the French side.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIWXnxc6Ygs&hd=1

    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vM8oLPDbujk/UHhYGQwR54I/AAAAAAAAAIc/OLbiLxXAnQA/w738-h1047-no/Election+signs+spark+vandalism+in+Gatineau+-+FLQ+-.jpg

    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-IkIyCMnKVdc/UHhYMRCZM9I/AAAAAAAAAIk/aDlYUfZX7ZI/w431-h1047-no/Election+signs+spark+vandalism+in+Gatineau.jpg

  49. Furtz   August 11, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    For sure Eric. Anyone who disagrees with your views should be ignored. Imagine the nerve of those people. You freedom-fighters should be able to chat among yourselves uninterrupted by ignorant buffoons with differing opinions. Have you complained to the moderator?

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