Eric Little of Ottawa Ontario Suggests Service Ontario Offer More Language Services – LTE

Eric Little of Ottawa Ontario Suggests Service Ontario Offer More Language Services – LTE

LTEImagine walking into a Service Ontario location and being served. Now imagine sitting in a comfortable chair and having a voice/video link with a government office. Now imagine speaking in one of say 5 main languages with a real person just like at a counter. Using technology to help people is not new, you can even get an app on your smart phone to detect where your metal property line marker is. Of course that app would not help to get your new license plates or help order a new health card but there is technology that can.

Surely with a bit of planning and will, we can create something to help more people get things done in a manner that concentrates on citizens needs. Some bank machines already provide several languages to use, there are 9-1-1 call centers that instantly connect to translation services that can cover 140 languages and we have had hearing/speech impaired interfaces for years.

Why can’t we have a central station in say Toronto with round the clock operators that can provide assistance in several languages? Assistance for health cards, some translation and real time support. If after a hundred plus years of language issues that no one seems ready to discuss and work towards solutions, the least we can do is help people that need it, is that not what multiculturism & bilingualism was about? Language duality is a wonderful concept but really, after 40 plus years of the Official Languages Act, 26 years of the Ontario French Languages Services Act and billions of dollars, the percentage of bilingual Canadians has remained stagnant outside of Quebec, but let’s put technology to work for the benefit of all Canadians even as a trial, each Ontario ministry already has a language coordinator, give them technology as well,and stop saying why we can’t do something, ask your MP and MPP how we can!

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446 Responses to "Eric Little of Ottawa Ontario Suggests Service Ontario Offer More Language Services – LTE"

  1. admin   August 26, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    no name calling HFT

  2. Hungry for the Truth....   August 26, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    Highlander August 26, 2013 at 8:58 am

    “You can copy and past the charter all you want it does not state that it guarantee’s interprovincial health services.”

    I have already ANSWERD you 3 times.
    If you don’t understand, or want to twist it, then what can I do about that.

    “Spin it what you may …but please show the readers where it guarantees in the charter interprovincial health services……we readers will be waiting …….”

    NOW COULD YOU SHOW THE READERS , WHERE IN THE CANADIAN HEALTH ACT DOES IT GUARANTEE INTER-PROVINCIAL SERVICES TO ALL CANADIANS.

    DO SHOW….. , WHERE CAN WE CONFIRM YOUR CLAIM?

    ALL THE READERS ARE WAITING…….DO TELL….WE AWAIT
    YOUR EVIDENCE TO VINDICATE YOU FROM YOUR FALSE CLAIM.

    “Till then YOU REMAIN WRONG ! You are living up to your monikers (lives for lies).”

    MY MONIKER IS HUNGRY FOR THE TRUTH. YOUR WARPED TWISTED USE OF “LIVES FOR LIES” IS YOUR CHILDISH INSISTENCE.

  3. edudyorlik   August 26, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    On August 26, 2013 at 8:00 am It was written, “Furtz doesn’t debate he comes for the entertainment……as he said.”

    Oh my gosh. I had no idea. I never read that memo or post.

    Shesh, well, in that case. Here ya go Furtz…
    These ought to keep you “entertained” with the bonus of learning something too. I know. I am too good for you but, that’s fine I’m English and i am VERY accommodating 😉

    Have fun.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmMKhvRuwgw&hd=1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGl1FYaqSnE&hd=1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54ulXNk-bmo&hd=1

    Oh and, once your done with that, here’s a nice historically factual documentary to keep you further “entertained.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxeQpGasEME&hd=1

    Once you’re done Furtz and you need some more entertainment, let me know and I will present some more interesting “entertainment” for you.

    Oh and, your welcome in a have a nice “your welcome kinda of day” way 🙂

    PS: I realize i am lowering myself to the level of the “agitator gang” level here with this post but…

    REALLY ??
    You people (the agitator gang) are pathetic. You invade to a forum where a group of people have gathered who are obviously concerned about employment, feeding their families, paying bills, and at the same time angry about what is going on in their country, and rather than looking for honest good natured debate where you may actually learn and understand and empathize with why people are frustrated with unjust and unfair laws which cause people to loose their jobs and cause others to have a hard time getting jobs, you make fun of the people, use their heartfelt situations for entertainment, and badger their plight as if it’s no big deal and JUST A FUN THING TO DO.

    Yes, i guess I have to admit, for once you ARE RIGHT Stella.

    Stella wrote, “You are really having an impact on the public and opening many eyes on your true colors and agenda.”

    But, thing is Stella “the impact” has more to do with the people witnessing the familiar attitudes YOU and “the gang of agitators” from the French side of this situation that have come to the mostly English forum to belittle the hardships of people here.

    It’s almost a complete microcosmic reflection of how the French are treating the English in Quebec and how they then believe it’s OK for them to go even further and blatantly stick French in the faces of the other Anglophones OUTSIDE of Quebec as well.

    It’s all fine and dandy till the majority anglophones in this country decide. THAT’S IT. We have taken this sh!t for far too long now and we have had it.

    (in case you haven’t heard Quebec is sitting on 41 billion barrels of untapped oil which they refuse to tap into because they don’t “want to share this resource with the rocanada while they continue to laugh and suck oodles of cash from the western provinces and the rocanada.)

    Think pendulum people. It ALWAYS (without fail) swings both ways. And — THAT DAY — is coming my dear.

    But don’t fret for now, just go out and have a
    “i am enjoying all the wonderful benefits of being a Franco Ontarian for the time being” kinda day 🙂

    PS: If you still don’t get it. Think about how in awe you feel when you read posts from your hero hftt.

    Now subtract 100 times that feeling and you are just approaching how negatively people feel about the backwards and upside down position that YOU (representing the French side of this) present to the intelligent thinking people with your backward, blaming upside down

    — what? there’s nothing wrong. No one is forcing anyone —

    kind of posts.

    :-):-):-):-):-):-)


    _____\||/
    _____(o o)
    —-ooO-(_)-Ooo——-

  4. edudyorlik   August 26, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    Highlander August 26, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Were with ya Highlander 🙂

  5. Furtz   August 26, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    So, bella, is entertainment a no-no now? Must everybody be all serious and p!ssed off all the time? Ah yes… Entertainment is just yet another tool used by the French invaders to distract their Anglo victims. No?

  6. edudyorlik   August 26, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    Tidy’d up version 2 🙂
    On August 26, 2013 at 8:00 am It was written, “Furtz doesn’t debate he comes for the entertainment……as he said.”
    Oh my gosh. I had no idea. I never read that memo or post.
    Shesh, well, in that case. Here ya go Furtz…
    These ought to keep you “entertained” with the bonus of learning something too. I know. I am too good for you but, that’s fine I’m English and i am VERY accommodating
    Have fun.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmMKhvRuwgw&hd=1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGl1FYaqSnE&hd=1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54ulXNk-bmo&hd=1
    Oh and, once your done with that, here’s a nice historically factual documentary to keep you further “entertained.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxeQpGasEME&hd=1
    Once you’re done Furtz and you need some more entertainment, let me know and I will present some more interesting “entertainment” for you.
    Oh and, your welcome in a have a nice “your welcome kinda of day” way
    PS: I realize i am lowering myself to the level of the “AG” level here with this post but…
    REALLY ??
    You folks from the AG are a real number. You invade to a forum where a group of people have gathered who are obviously concerned about employment, feeding their families, paying bills, and at the same time angry about what is going on in their country, and rather than looking for honest good natured debate where you may actually learn and understand and empathize with why people are frustrated with unjust and unfair laws which cause people to loose their jobs and cause others to have a hard time getting jobs, you make fun of the people, use their heartfelt situations for entertainment, and badger their plight as if it’s no big deal and JUST A FUN THING TO DO.
    Yes, i guess I have to admit, for once you ARE RIGHT Stella.
    Stella wrote, “You are really having an impact on the public and opening many eyes on your true colors and agenda.”
    But, thing is Stella “the impact” has more to do with the people witnessing the familiar attitudes YOU and “the AG” from the French side of this situation that have come to the mostly English forum to belittle the hardships of people here.
    It’s almost a complete microcosmic reflection of how the French are treating the English in Quebec and how they then believe it’s OK for them to go even further and blatantly stick French in the faces of the other Anglophones OUTSIDE of Quebec as well.
    It’s all fine and dandy till the majority Anglophones in this country decide. THAT’S IT. We have taken this sh!t for far too long now and we have had it.
    (in case you haven’t heard Quebec is sitting on 41 billion barrels of untapped oil which they refuse to tap into because they don’t “want to share this resource with the rocanada while they continue to laugh and suck oodles of cash from the western provinces and the rocanada.)
    Think pendulum people. It ALWAYS (without fail) swings both ways. And — THAT DAY — is coming my dear.
    But don’t fret for now, just go out and have a
    “i am enjoying all the wonderful benefits of being a Franco Ontarian for the time being” kinda day
    PS: If you still don’t get it. Think about how in awe you feel when you read posts from your hero hftt.
    Now subtract 100 times that feeling and you are just approaching how negatively people feel about the backwards and upside down position that YOU (representing the French side of this) present to the intelligent thinking people with your backward, blaming upside down
    – what? there’s nothing wrong. No one is forcing anyone —
    kind of posts.
    :-):-):-):-):-)

    _____\||/
    _____(o o)
    —-ooO-(_)-Ooo——-

  7. bella   August 26, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    Furtz
    August 26, 2013 at 12:11 pm
    “So, bella, is entertainment a no-no now? Must everybody be all serious and p!ssed off all the time?”

    Not at all furtz, have at it. I was curious about stella and her motives. There really is no mistaking yours.

    ~~

    ” Ah yes… Entertainment is just yet another tool used by the French invaders to distract their Anglo victims. No?”

    Are we talking Celine Dion? Cause I thought that diva was gonna take over the world, but she settled for Vegas, and I can live with that.

  8. Furtz   August 26, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    Thanks edudyorlik, but I’ll take a pass on your youtube propaganda vids. There’s way more interesting and fun stuff on youtube than that BS.
    Here’s one I like…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-JjaAh0NeU

  9. Hungry for the Truth....   August 26, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    FurtzAugust 26, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    Alleluia brother I just had a breakthrough!!!

    Ain’t nothing wrong with a bit of laughter in these
    trying times of discrimination.

    Good entertainment!

    PS I just received my foil beanies. I feel much more secure and protected against personal invasion. TY for that.

  10. Furtz   August 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    Hey bella, I hate Celine’s music like any red-blooded true Canadian. Phenomenal talent and a truly great singer, who has made her fortune by singing schlock. I’m sure she is a very nice person. Any owner of Schwartz’s Deli can’t be all bad.

  11. Furtz   August 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    That’s cool Hungry. Just keep in mind that it’s recommended to wear two beanies (double layer) when in close proximity to, or infiltrating freedom-fighter meetings and Conservative Party conventions.
    Be careful, my friend.

  12. edudyorlik   August 26, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    in response to Furtz

    ” Ah yes… Entertainment is just yet another tool used by the French invaders to distract their Anglo victims. No?”

    bella wrote, ”
    Are we talking Celine Dion? Cause I thought that diva was gonna take over the world, but she settled for Vegas, and I can live with that.

    Thank you bella..
    Ha ha ha ha oh my…
    LOL hahahahaahahaha LOL hahahahah ROTFL hahahahahahahahahahahahah…

    That WAS PRICELESS. Oh my i needed that.
    Here’s one for you… Yes, you can entertain yourself too Furtz 🙂

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTx6Pp_rhbY&hd=1

  13. Cory Cameron   August 26, 2013 at 5:55 PM

    Good evening HFTT:

    If it would be okay with you, perhaps Jamie could provide me with your e-mail so that we could get started on a workable solution to bring to the Board of Directors for nurse hirings with CCH. I believe we could work on some sort of template.

    Are you okay with this?

  14. Highlander   August 27, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    LIVES FOR LIES

    I have waited long enough for you to post information to back your argument that its the constitution that guarantee’s interprovincial health care .

    Please feel free to read through the following documents to verify that YOU were WRONG and the title of KING OF INACCURACIES may best suit YOU,though I still think that was a childish approach.

    Its only human to fault ,admit wrong FINALLY so that we can go beyond this,PRIDE is fine but can CLOUD ones judgment.

    https://secure.cihi.ca/free_products/out_of_province_aib_201003_e.pdf

    The Interprovincial Health Insurance Agreement
    Committee of Canada (IHIACC) oversees the application of interprovincial health insurance agreements in accordance
    with the Canada Health Act.

    “Twenty percent of all OP/T hospitalizations were in Ontario. A large majority of these patients were residents of the
    Outaouais region of Quebec, which borders the Champlain region of eastern Ontario.”

    MEANWHILE LIVES FOR LIES THE READERS ARE STILL WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE……………………………………………………………………………………

  15. Highlander   August 27, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    By the way I use live for lies as your moniker as you had used this moniker in the past and feel it best suits your views.

    This is not name calling as you have done but you did use that moniker name .

  16. Highlander   August 27, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    sorry proper moniker name Oh lives for lies.

  17. Hungry for the Truth....   August 27, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Highlander August 27, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    “By the way I use live for lies as your moniker as you had used this moniker in the past and feel it best suits your views.”

    higlander, thanks for the in. I had no Idea that it was OK and that the moderator allowed name calling such as “lair” as long as you justified it.

    I used that moniker for about 2 hours one Sunday morning because you and the “gang of fighters” had raged war on me and attacked my moniker of truth. And of course your childish warped spin continues to use 5, 6 times in the same post. My moniker is HUNGRY FOR THE TRUTH. I hope that confusion has been
    cleared up Mr Wolfe.

  18. Hungry for the Truth....   August 27, 2013 at 3:17 PM

    Highlander August 27, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    LIVES FOR LIES

    “Please feel free to read through the following documents to verify that YOU were WRONG and the title of “KING OF INACCURACIES” may best suit YOU, though I still think that was a childish approach.”

    NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR ORIGINAL INACCARACTE CLAIM. YOU ARE REFFERING TO A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING. THIS IS NOT THE CANADIAN HEALTH ACT. YOU CLAIMED….THE FOLLOWING……

    highlander August 25, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    “Spin it what you may YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN THE CANADA HEALTH ACT GUARANTEES INTERPROVINCIAL HEALTHCARE .”

    “YOU SEE LIVES FOR LIES THE CHARTER GUARANTEE’ EQUAL SERVICES THROUGHT TRANSFER PAYMENTS ,BUT DOES NOT GUARANTEE INTERPROVCIAL SERVICES ,THAT IS GOVERNED BY CANADA HEALTH ACT.”

    I HAVE RESPONDED AND ANSWERED ACCURATELEY. YOU ON THE OTHER HAND ARE TRYING TO VINDICATE YOURSELF WITH YET AGAIN REFFERING TO INACCARACTE IRELEVANT NEVER MENTIONED INFORMATION. THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU CLAIMED.

    “THE CANADA HEALTH ACT GUARANTEES INTERPROVINCIAL HEALTHCARE” IS YOUR CLAIM. NOT A COMMITTEE THAT IS SEPERATE FROM THE CANADIAN HEALTH ACT. THE ACT IS THE LEGISTLATION WHICH DOES NOT GARANTEE INTER-PROVINCIAL ACCESS. THE ACT ADDRESSES CASH DISBUREMENT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT ADDRESSE INTER-PRVINCIAL ACCESS.

    SO, WE ALL AWAIT YOUR ACCEPTANCE TO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE WRONG. MY CLAIM REMAINS ACCURATE. THE CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS, GRANTS ACCESS TO ALL CANADIANS TO HEALTH SERVICES.

    I’M TEMPTED TO REUSE YOUR TITLE BUT, OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE RULES I WILL NOT. IT’S TOO BAD BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS SO VERY BECOMING.

    YET ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE UTILIZING FALSE INFORMATION IN HOPE THAT NO ONE WILL NOTICE THAT YOU ARE WRONG.

  19. admin   August 27, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    I just want to remind everyone to please keep it respectful – user names addressed – and argue the point and not the person please.

    Thanks

  20. Highlander   August 27, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    admin
    August 27, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    I just want to remind everyone to please keep it respectful – user names addressed –

    ADMIN this user has used a number of different moniker names ,how is it we cannot use any of their previous moniker names.

    His moniker name was of his own choosing and being that he has had several we should have that choice to direct it to whatever moniker as they had registered being it the same person.

    I am being respectful -I am not calling him names I am simply going by his other moniker name.

  21. admin   August 27, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    Highlander it’s based on the posting name. Unless someone has outed themselves clearly. Again, thousands of people read this stuff and we do not want to turn off viewers and I am here to moderate; not referee. Right? 🙂

  22. Highlander   August 27, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/pubs/cha-lcs/2011-cha-lcs-ar-ra/index-eng.php

    Interprovincial Health Insurance Agreements Coordinating Committee (IHIACC)

    The Canada Health Act Division chairs the Interprovincial Health Insurance Agreements Coordinating Committee and provides a secretariat for the Committee. The Committee was formed in 1991 to address issues affecting the interprovincial billing of hospital and medical services as well as issues related to registration and eligibility for health insurance coverage. It oversees the application of interprovincial health insurance agreements in accordance with the Canada Health Act.

    The within-Canada portability provisions of the Act are implemented through a series of bilateral reciprocal billing agreements between provinces and territories for hospital and physician services. This generally means that a patient’s health card will be accepted, in lieu of payment, when the patient receives hospital or physician services in another province or territory. The province or territory providing the service will then directly bill the patient’s home province. All provinces and territories participate in reciprocal hospital agreements and all, with the exception of Quebec, participate in reciprocal medical agreements. The intent of these agreements is to ensure that Canadian residents do not face point-of-service charges for medically required hospital and physician services when they travel in Canada. However, these agreements are interprovincial/territorial and are not required by the Act.

    Part III Section 36. 1,C of The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

    Equalization and regional disparities.

    ( c ) providing essential public services of reasonable quality to all Canadians.

    Part III Section 36.2 of The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

    Commitment respecting public services

    ( 2 ) Parliament and the government of Canada are committed to the principle of making equalization payments to ensure that provincial governments have sufficient revenues to provide reasonably comparable levels of public services at reasonably comparable levels of taxation.

    THIS EQUALIZATION AND REGIONAL DISPARITIES IS MONIES DIRECTED TO PROVINCIAL ENTITIES AND MUST FOLLOW THE Canadian HEALTH ACT.

    THE CHARTER SETS FORWARD EQUALIZATION AND NOT INTERPROVINCIAL SERVICES THAT IS COVERED BY THE HEALTH CANADA ACT .

    PLEASE LOOK AT MY ABOVE POSTING -THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT REIMBURSE FOR INTERPROVINCIAL FUNDING BUT IS CHAIRING THE COMMITTEE .

    THE CHARTER ONLY INDICATES THAT FUNDING THROUGH TRANSFER PAYMENTS FOR EQUALIZATION OF SERVICES .
    THEREBY GUARANTEEING EQUALITY OF SERVICES

    IT REMAINS THE HEALTH CANADA ACT THAT ENSURES THAT THERE IS INTERPROVICIAL SERVICES.

    THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CHARTER THAT GUARANTEE’S INTERPROVINCIAL SERVICES !

    THEREFORE YOU REMAIN WRONG AGAIN THERE HUNGRY AND MY ABOVE DOCUMENTS PROVE SO.

    YOUR HUMAN JUST ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG AND BE DONE WITH THIS……
    IF YOU CONTINUE TO DISAGREE SHOW WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION IT GUARANTEE’S INTERPROVINCIAL SERVICES .

    IN HEALTH CANADA ACT ITS VERY CLEAR ON INTERPROVINCIAL COVERAGE .

    BUT LET YOUR PRIDE CONTINUE TO CLOUD YOUR JUDGMENT!

    YOU STILL REMAIN WRONG ON THIS SUBJECT.

  23. Hungry for the Truth....   August 27, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    Highlander,

    If for one second I thought I was wrong I would have no
    problem admitting to my mistake. As I have in the past.

    But on the principle of fairness I do not admit fault
    when fault is not so.

    My information still remain accurate in my view and
    I respectfully decline any further discussion on this
    subject.

    Thank- You
    We will to agree to disagree.

  24. concerned citizen 2   August 27, 2013 at 8:59 PM

    @Admin

    With all due respect I believe we should be allowed to address “Hungry for the Truth” as “Live for Lies” at his request….

    Thanks 🙂

    “Live for Lies….
    July 28, 2013 at 11:10 am
    NPC
    July 28, 2013 at 7:04 am

    “You must be starving “truth wise” to use a moniker that contradicts the very intention that this moniker presupposes”

    I’m extremely apologetic to those that find TRUTH as an
    offensive moniker. I’ve decided to change it in order not
    to cause any further disruptions in your existence.

    I have chosen a less offensive one that will prevent any
    further insults.

    I Live for Lies. Is my new moniker.
    I aim to please !

    Got to go now, my Sand box is waiting!”

  25. admin   August 27, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    CC2 I think it’s pretty clear that if you address a poster it should be by the name used to post the comment or a reasonable abbreviation. If they posted with another pseudonym in the past that was the past.

    I think you yourself use a few monikers.

    The bottom line is the more time I spend moderating such as I am now the more cranky I get as I’m not doing the tasks I need to. Nobody wants hyper moderation. I think it’s very very clear what our standards are which is not to post to the poster but to the point or topic.

    CFN is not here for a battle of personalities. I’m sure there are some other places for that. We want to be as hospitable as possible; but the lines are pretty clear.

  26. Highlander   August 27, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    Hungry for the Truth….
    August 27, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    I respectfully decline on agreeing on disagreeing .

    I have researched and provided the facts to prove that it was the Canada health act.

    If for one second I thought I was wrong I would have no
    problem admitting to my mistake particularity when one has provided overwhelming evidence as I have .

    You may respectfully decline for further discussions ,but the proof has been provided as well as the link to justify my arguments in this debate.

    So even when there is overwhelming evidence one can justify their defense of the debate through stating “we will agree to disagree”?

    So I guess when I am proven wrong (again) in due time as I am only human, I should stand my ground even when the evidence is against me and state “we will agree to disagree”

    There’s the solution !

  27. bella   August 28, 2013 at 6:51 AM

    Hungry for the Truth….
    August 27, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    “If for one second I thought I was wrong I would have no
    problem admitting to my mistake. As I have in the past.”

    HAHAHA Really? I call bull pucky. Proof please.

  28. highlander   August 28, 2013 at 8:33 AM

    bella August 28, 2013 at 6:51 am

    ” HAHAHA Really? I call bull pucky. Proof please”

    Yes hungry the readers are waiting for your “proof”

  29. Highlander   August 28, 2013 at 9:48 AM

    admin
    August 27, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    “The bottom line is the more time I spend moderating such as I am now the more cranky I get as I’m not doing the tasks I need to.”

    Now we don’t want a cranky admin .lol,lol

  30. Hungry for the Truth....   August 28, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Highlander August 27, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    “You may respectfully decline for further discussions ,but the proof has been provided as well as the link to justify my arguments in this debate.”

    It is not correct. It proves nothing. All it confirms is the bureaucratic administration and criterion that Provincial Health services must uphold to receive funding.

    “I have researched and provided the facts to prove that it was the Canada health act.”

    The facts that you provide is the financial payments. The committee’s mandate is to determine how the hospitals will be paid. The whole Health Act is legislation which defines Federal spending Powers and sets the rules for that funding.

    The questions that needs to be asked is why does this committee exist? Who sits on this committee? What is the purpose of the committee?

    The Committee is comprised of federal, provincial, and territorial health department officials. The Canada Health Act Division chairs the Committee and provides its secretariat. Members meet formally three times a year, in addition to engaging in regular communication through conference calls and written correspondence. The purpose of these interactions is to share information and to engage in collaborative problem-solving between governments.

    The committee deals with the bureaucracy and finances. They are the Secretariat that Administers and represent Canadian Government in negotiations with Provincial Health providers.

    They negotiate with Provincial Health Services on payment agreements so that government can come good on the guarantee made to all Canadians through The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms Part III Section 36. 1,c that they will as the Canadian Government ,( c ) provide essential public services of reasonable quality to all Canadians.

    And how they achieve this is with the bureaucratic spending legislation called Canadian Health Act that is administered by bureaucrats.

    Why is this so hard to understand? Take another same example.

    Canadian Languages Act. Is it the Act that guarantees bilingual services? No! Part I Section 16.-22 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is what guarantees that all Canadians will have access of bilingual Services.

    The Languages Act is the bureaucratic legislation framework, that administers and ensures compliance, so that the Canadian Government can comes good on the guarantee made to all Canadian’s, through The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, Part I section 16 -22 that English and French are the official languages of Canada and have equality of status and equal rights and privileges as to their use in all institutions
    of the Parliament and government of Canada.

    If a Canadian feels that his right has not been respected he invokes a breach of his Constitutional Right not a breach of the Health Act.

  31. edudyorlik   August 28, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Imagine walking into a Service Ontario location and being served. Now imagine sitting in a comfortable chair and having a voice/video link with a government office.

    OR, simply imagine doing what is sane and saves billions of dollars and at the same time demands a realistic basic respect from anyone deciding to move to the “country in question” and call it their home.

    Do what the French are doing but in reverse.

    — Of course, within their sense of entitlement and feelings of grandeur, the French have gotten it a little backwards and gotten ahead of themselves since they are insanely applying such a thing “to a PROVINCE” when everyone knows and completely accepts the idea that this is completely disrespectful to the country you live in and should only be something that COUNTRIES aspire to and DO.

    And what is it, you ask ? To declare.

    http://youtu.be/ui_XgfFceYc?t=42s

    That way everyone can still have their own language as a second language and keep those languages and their cultural elements as much as they want within their own homes and communities but, this concept produces a real sense of ONE in the community with ONE language that brings everyone together in public and when using services like banks and hospitals and so on.

    Maybe the French “that part” right ? except, as i said. ONLY countries should have this right as provinces have a unfortunately element in them. Yes, the citizens of the actual country who live there too 🙂

  32. Hungry for the Truth....   August 28, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    bella August 28, 2013 at 6:51 am

    highlander August 28, 2013 at 8:33 am

    HERE IS ONE OF MANY. IF YOU WANT MORE
    READ MY POSTS.

    THERE IS NO SHAME IN BEING WRONG.
    I CAN OWN UP TO ERROR WHEN ERROR IS.

    Hungry for the Truth…. August 23, 2013 at 6:57 pm
    Thank-You for the information. I STAND CORRECTED.

  33. bella   August 28, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    Hungry for the Truth….
    August 28, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    “HERE IS ONE OF MANY. IF YOU WANT MORE
    READ MY POSTS.”

    First, I did not yell at you, please refrain from trying to intimidate me.

    My mistake. I stand corrected. Admitting error is not the same as apologizing for the insults hurled in the name of said error. You can see where there would be confusion.

    I’m sorry highlander, I led you astray with my confusion. Please erase my foolishness from your memory so as not to taint the impression you hold of our fellow poster hfft.

  34. Edudyorlik   August 28, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    Uhmm err bella … Is uhmm err that uhmm, “I call bull pucky”
    a Cornwall expression Orrr ?

    😉

  35. Highlander   August 28, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    Hungry for the Truth….
    August 28, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Show us were is says in the constitution Guaranteeing interprovicial health services that you claim.

    Still wrong I do not see the Guarantee of interprovincial heath services in the charter as YOU HAVE SAID!

    Still wrong and we the readers are still waiting for that proof………………………………………………………….

  36. Highlander   August 28, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    bella
    August 28, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    My mistake. I stand corrected. Admitting error is not the same as apologizing for the insults hurled in the name of said error. You can see where there would be confusion.

    I wouldn’t expect an apology from that one bella ,he is no different then stella.

    I’m sorry highlander, I led you astray with my confusion. Please erase my foolishness from your memory so as not to taint the impression you hold of our fellow poster hfft.

    Oh not to worry I have had an impression of him after he pretty well insulted the majority of the writers.

    But that’s all rights he is fair minded you know lol..lol..lol..lol..lol

    The readers know what he is like ,I need not further explain.

  37. Hungry for the Truth....   August 29, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    Highlander August 28, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    “Show us were is says in the constitution Guaranteeing interprovicial health services that you claim.”

    It’s simple Watson. CANADIAN Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
    For all Canadian Citizens living in all provinces = Inter-PROVINCIAL

    “Still wrong and we the readers are still waiting for that proof”

    I believe the intelligent ones have already understood. They do
    not require any further proof.

  38. Eric   August 29, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    HFTT, granted I went through the Charter quickly and may have missed something in another post, but where is the part you mentioned? And does it specifically say health care?

    http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/const/page-15.html#h-49

  39. Hungry for the Truth....   August 29, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    @highlander

    My claim was never about Iinter-PROVINCIAL access.

    My claim was and remains that it is not the Canadian Health Act that guarantee’s access to Health services.

    The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms Part III Section 36. 1,c (1982)

    ( c ) providing essential public services of reasonable quality to all Canadians.

  40. Hungry for the Truth....   August 29, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    Eric August 29, 2013 at 10:49 am

    “HFTT, granted I went through the Charter quickly and may have missed something in another post, but where is the part you mentioned? And does it specifically say health care?”

    The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms Part III Section 6. 1,c
    ( c ) providing essential public services of reasonable quality to all Canadians.

    Part III Section 36.2 of The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

    Commitment respecting public services

    ( 2 ) Parliament and the government of Canada are committed to the principle of making equalization payments to ensure that provincial governments have sufficient revenues to provide reasonably comparable levels of public services at reasonably comparable levels of taxation.

    Health Care is an essential Public service. – Canada Health Act
    Bilingual Services is an essential Public service. – Languages Act
    RCMP is an essential Public Service. – RCMP Act
    Federal Courts is an essential Public Service. – Federal Courts Act.
    Etc….etc….etc….

    Alberta court of Appeal & Supreme Court of Canada.
    This is an excerpt of Justice Irving’s judgement.

    “Justice Irving held that the federal government was not acting beyond its jurisdiction when it imposed conditions on its transfers to the provinces. Rather, he concluded that such conditions created “legitimate national standards”, and that the existence of
    federal shared-cost programs, such as the national health insurance scheme established under the Canada Health Act, was explicitly recognized under section 36 of the Constitution Act, 1982.

    The constitutional validity of such federal spending was confirmed by the Supreme Court of Canada in its 1991 decision in
    Reference Re Canada Assistance Plan16 and reaffirmed, with regard to the Canada Health Act in particular, in the Court’s recent decision in Eldridge v. British Colombia.”

  41. Eric   August 29, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    But the Canada health Act does allow for for a guarantee to access. Could both of you be right?

    CANADIAN HEALTH CARE POLICYhttp://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-6/page-2.html#h-3

    Marginal note:Primary objective of Canadian health care policy

    3. It is hereby declared that the primary objective of Canadian health care policy is to protect, promote and restore the physical and mental well-being of residents of Canada and to facilitate reasonable access to health services without financial or other barriers.
    1984, c. 6, s. 3.

    Just to add the rest of section 3 and to show (a) could allow or be be misconstrued to mean, for the benefit of a minority.

    – 36. (1) Without altering the legislative authority of Parliament or of the provincial legislatures, or the rights of any of them with respect to the exercise of their legislative authority, Parliament and the legislatures, together with the government of Canada and the provincial governments, are committed to
    (a) promoting equal opportunities for the well-being of Canadians;
    (b) furthering economic development to reduce disparity in opportunities; and

    ( c ) providing essential public services of reasonable quality to all Canadians.

  42. Hungry for the Truth....   August 29, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    @Eric

    With all due respect,

    I have made my case. The rest of what needs to be understood can be referenced from my supporting information in my posts. I have no interest to be right or wrong let those that want to know discover. They can conclude for themselves.

  43. Edudyorlik   August 29, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    It was written…
    Health Care is an essential Public service. – Canada Health Act
    Bilingual Services is an essential Public service. – Languages Act”

    Ah hem, Canada..
    Err uhmm that does include Quebec doesn’t it?
    Right, they are “still in Canada” right?
    Still a JUST a “province” in this country right?
    Not separated or having declared themselves as “separate” yet, right?

    Still receiving “Majority anglophone” transfer payments from ALL the rest of Canada, right?

    in that case…
    I figure SOMEONE should tell these clowns all about this…
    “Bilingual Services is an essential Public service” concept.

    http://youtu.be/2hKXw24la-8?t=22s

    Oh wait, that doesn’t apply in this case right?
    Cause it’s Quebec and their , “SPECCCCHIIIALLL” right?

  44. bella   September 1, 2013 at 8:26 AM

    Hungry for the Truth….
    August 29, 2013 at 7:18 pm
    @Eric

    With all due respect,

    I have made my case. The rest of what needs to be understood can be referenced from my supporting information in my posts. I have no interest to be right or wrong let those that want to know discover. They can conclude for themselves

    Translates to, I just like to see my name in print. I do not care what you or others think about my opinions, as long as they all know what I think, they will be better off in their lives. My time is more important than yours, and you are less than dung beneath my shoes.

    ~~

    Curious, if you do not care if you are right or wrong, why are you so loud and obnoxious about others opinions? Why are you the only one who’s words should hold value, regardless of their validity? Who taught you the art of conversation and debate? Who mistakenly led you to believe that your opinion, regardless of validity, is of value like some sort of commodity?

  45. edudyorlik   September 1, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    bella, i do so enjoy how you “cut to the chase” as demonstrated in this post. Well said.

    PS: I think it has to do with that oil his folks rubbed on him when he was a baby 😉

    bella September 1, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Hungry for the Truth….
    August 29, 2013 at 7:18 pm
    @Eric

    With all due respect,

    I have made my case. The rest of what needs to be understood can be referenced from my supporting information in my posts. I have no interest to be right or wrong let those that want to know discover. They can conclude for themselves

    Translates to, I just like to see my name in print. I do not care what you or others think about my opinions, as long as they all know what I think, they will be better off in their lives. My time is more important than yours, and you are less than dung beneath my shoes.

    ~~

    Curious, if you do not care if you are right or wrong, why are you so loud and obnoxious about others opinions? Why are you the only one who’s words should hold value, regardless of their validity? Who taught you the art of conversation and debate? Who mistakenly led you to believe that your opinion, regardless of validity, is of value like some sort of commodity?

  46. highlander   September 1, 2013 at 10:13 AM

    bella September 1, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Good response and Questions Bella!

    “Curious, if you do not care if you are right or wrong, why are you so loud and obnoxious about others opinions?”

    Well that’s simple others opinions are not his and thereby they are wrong!
    He is the know all that has proven to all wrong.

    “Why are you the only one who’s words should hold value, regardless of their validity?”

    That’s because of his greatly inflated ego and his perception of his illusions of Grandeur which is self perpetuating.

    ” Who mistakenly led you to believe that your opinion, regardless of validity, is of value like some sort of commodity

    Well himself of course “he is special you know” in his own mind anyways.

    Well bella I answered your questions with regards to hungry in the best of my researched ability(as per his past posts ).

    A superiority complex for sure!

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