Discrimination
Discrimination. The big D word. A word most readily used by many though rarely meritable in its’ use. In our contemporary world of political correctness, discrimination is one of many ‘buzzwords’ that forms a politicians’ lexicon of verbal spaghetti. Political figures love to throw around the idea that one group of people are often discriminated against by another group of people or even by a nation’s laws. It is a fantastic vote grabber for those most instrumental in the art of politics. The truth however, in this day and age, is that rarely are modern-day laws discriminatory in their practice, right?
Wrong!
Have you ever heard of the concepts of affirmative action or what we like to call employment equity in Canada? These are concepts that were instituted into Canadian law to help level the playing field for those who have traditionally suffered the ill consequences of discrimination; especially in the job market. Under the Constitution Act of 1982, containing the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms; equity legislation is detailed therein. The Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) is enforced by the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) and it is this commission that deals with whether or not discrimination has taken place in the workplace.
The following details the issue of Prohibited Grounds of Discrimination in Canada: (Belcourt, Bohlander, & Snell, Managing Human Resources, 5th Canadian Edition, 2008).
Race or colour
Religion
Physical or mental disability
Dependence on alcohol or drugs
Age
Sex
Marital status
Family status
Sexual orientation
National or ethnic origin (including linguistic background)
Ancestry of place of origin
Language
Social Condition or origin
Source of income
Assignment, attachment or seizure of pay
Based on association
Political belief
Record of criminal conviction
Pardoned conviction
While appearing like a fair and equitable approach to the issue of fairness in hiring practices; employment equity actually creates the framework for unfair hiring criteria – whereby the best qualified person may be the most successful candidate but may not be chosen due to government imposed employment equity legislation. Case-in-point; consider the possibility of two highly qualified candidates applying for the same government or private sector industry, job. One candidate, a qualified counselor who, as a child, was raised in the atmosphere of a same sex marriage; understands the very real social challenges faced by his/her same sex parents. One could surmise that not only is this individual qualified as a counselor; but has the added experience of being raised in a non-traditional family setting, outside of the traditional nuclear family. The other candidate is also a highly qualified counselor but is a homosexual. By the very definition and reasoning for employment equity, chances are that the successful candidate will be chosen due to his/her sexuality and not necessarily for his/her skills.
Another scenario if you will. Imagine an Aboriginal couple fostering a non-Aboriginal child who is raised and immersed in Aboriginal culture. He/she has a university/college education associated with his/her chosen field; speaks an Aboriginal language, is well-versed in the culture and customs associated with the First Nation and has all the credentials required of someone who could work for a government or non-government Aboriginal organization. The other candidate also has some or most of these qualifications but has one added qualification. Their ethnicity or race is of a First Nation. Once again, by the very definition and reasoning for employment equity, chances are that the successful candidate will be chosen due to his/her ethnicity or race and not necessarily for his/her skills.
Sound like rare or improbable cases and scenarios to you? I can attest that they’re not. They’re increasingly happening everyday in Canada and Human Resources professionals have had to contend with the issue of unfair hiring criteria that these laws have created since at least 1995 with the Employment Equity Act.
If you think at this point that our Canadian employment laws are unfair and unjustified then I have even more bad news for you. Consider the above information I’ve provided about Employment Equity. Add to this the increasingly unfair bilingual language requirements as well and you can see where things are headed. A politically correct society where in the quest for fairness we’ve permitted a very unfair system to flourish unchallenged by the people themselves. We need to ask ourselves if Canada’s employment and language laws are really a reflection of what we encompass and value as a society or if our various levels of government are attempting through social engineering, to shape and mould the people’s consciousness to the system itself. In other words, do the people work for the system or should the system work for the people?
Ever heard of the concept of a ‘bona fide occupational qualification’? Believe it or not, this concept currently exists in Canada and it allows for discrimination in hiring! That’s right folks. You read that correctly. In the very ‘Act’, the Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) whose existence is to prohibit discriminatory hiring practices there exists government-sponsored discriminatory hiring! As Belcourt et al. reports (2008):
The act applies to all federal government departments and agencies, to Crown corporations, and to other businesses and industries under federal jurisdiction, such as banks, airlines, railway companies, and insurance and communications companies. For those areas not under federal jurisdiction, protection is available under provincial human rights laws. Provincial laws, although very similar to federal ones, do differ from province to province. Every province and territory has a human rights act (or code), and each has jurisdiction prohibiting discrimination in the workplace. The prohibited grounds of discrimination in employment include race, religion, sex, age, national or ethnic origin, physical handicap, and marital status…Employers are permitted to discriminate if employment preferences are based on a bona fide occupational qualifications (BFOQ) or BFOR (bona fide occupational requirement). A BFOQ is justified if the employer can establish necessity for business operations. In other words, differential treatment is not discrimination if there is a justifiable reason. (106)
This sounds an awful lot like Orwell’s, Animal Farm, where Commandment #7 which originally stated that:
“All animals are equal”
Was eventually changed to,
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”
Is this the kind of Canada we want to live and work in? Surely the ideology of an individual’s rights should trump group rights in all respects. Should it not? Otherwise, we need to ask ourselves if we truly live in a democracy where all citizens enjoy the same rights and privileges as all others. As of this writing, the majority of our citizenry cannot work for their civil service or hold the highest office of the land due to nothing more than a lack of knowledge of one of Canada’s minority languages.
Please keep in mind that,
“All Canadians are equal, but some Canadians are more equal than others”
Cory Cameron
Timmins, On
Sunday August 25, 2013
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Highlander September 16, 2013 at 8:32 am
“So you can Guarantee no authorities will be called to escort one out ,where were you when Jamie of CFN was escorted out and in no way was he being uncivil or disrespectful.
Who was he with?
Had the authorities agreed to a public meeting?
Had they been told when booking the meeting that media would be present?
Was it mentioned when they agreed to a civil sit down meeting with whomever?
Was this made clear from the inception of the discussions that Media would be present?
“So you have the power and influence to not have the authorities called as was done with Jamie and you GUARANTEE THIS!”
TWIST AND TWIST AND TWIST AND TWIST…ON AND ON …AGAIN AND AGAIN…
This is what I wrote.
And will even guarantee that no authorities will be called to
have any one escorted out. Civility and respect are always good
ingredients to utilize when seeking a resolution. And I intend to
use an over dose of both.
Unless the damage done from your attempt is irreparable.
Pending the details of that incident, at this point I have every
intention to ask that the story be Breaking News on CFN.
“So if nothing gets accomplished as there were many attempts before you ,you say “Unless the damage done from your attempt is irreparable.”
TWIST AND TWIST AND TWIST AND TWIST…ON AND ON …AGAIN AND AGAIN…
Not if nothing gets done as you suggestively interpret:
Pending the details of that incident, at this point I have every
intention to ask that the story be Breaking News on CFN.
TWIST AND TWIST AND TWIST AND TWIST…ON AND ON …AGAIN AND AGAIN…
Highlander September 16, 2013 at 8:32 am
So that being said WHO HOLDS THE HOSPITAL(A GOVERNMENT ENTITY )ACCOUNTABLE?
Is accountability defined as to what someone says in a meeting or is accountability defined by the outcome and results of the meetings? Is the objective to PEG them in a corner or to find
RESOLUTION.
“You see hungry much has been done ,and each layer of bureaucracy has stoned walled each attempt in fear of having to deal with this issue!”
Did they stone wall the attempts or where they disagreeing with the ANTICS?
Did they hear the message amidst this attempt to PEG them PUBLICLY ACCOUNTABLE?
“The issue was even bough up with a meeting with James Moore the official Languages commisioner and he admitted that there at times was conditions that created unfair hiring policies.”
Was there any solution proposed and further meetings scheduled to discus a plan of action and to develop a formula to correct what Mr Moore agreed with?
Was there any further meetings with local authorities in order to work at a FAIR APPROACH?
Highlander September 16, 2013 at 8:32 am
“If you think they were not taken serious ?What of all those political meetings,media coverage and those meetings with the hospital were a joke to the hospital?”
What meetingS with the Hospital?
“You have continued to attempt at discrediting the a group for advocating fairness in approach to hiring.”
When I brought up my concerns about a lack of direction this is what I was told.
Highlander August 22, 2013 at 4:32 pm
“Thanks for the advice ,but your more then welcome to set up your own bureaucracy and have a time line for implementation oh for over 50 years and have fun with that .
This is but one of the many social media platforms we are involved with besides the various other groups and associations ,but please go ahead and tell all those others we are presently involved with how to do ,what to do ,when to do and how about to go about it!
You have no Idea what happens in the background ,but your more then willing to attempt to control the scenario and to instruct how to do it .(valiant effort ,but lack of vision)
You have what is called grand illusions whereby you are a leader with nobody following ,but keep on your agenda ! You do have 1 follower but my advice is do not use stella as your spokesperson she has a tendency to not like other cultures (I say that nicely) and it would only prove your agenda of ethnocentrism.
So lives for lies go forth create your own bureaucracy ,perhaps funded by the franco rights groups for fair hiring (ya right )…more like to keep the status quo ….but leave it to us to voice our concerns and not create a strategy on this site ,as the best chest moves are the ones well thought out WELL in advance and your opponent remains unaware of.
But thanks for the unwarranted advice.”
And now that I have chosen to do just that, WHO is attempting of discrediting who?
edudyorlik September 16, 2013 at 2:25 pm
It’s not Australia it’s AUSTRIA.
“OMG Hungry for truth (AKA: Lives for lies)”
OMG KILROY (King of Rants)
I noticed that you spoke of Finland the other day.
There’s a little twist for ya, hungry. Did you make yourself dizzy? That is not what edud was talking about at all. LOL
@highlander, you didn’t answer my questions so until you do without the twisting and personal attacks I will give some thought about answering yours that have been answered a 1,000 times already.
Why was the hiring issue with the CCH dropped?
Why couldn’t it have been pursued if in fact it was discriminatory?
Why the change of venue from the local issue?
Why join forces with galganov?
Why the push to separate this GREAT NATION?
Hungry for the Truth…. September 16, 2013 at 3:26 pm
edudyorlik September 16, 2013 at 2:25 pm
It’s not Australia it’s AUSTRIA.
“OMG Hungry for truth (AKA: Lives for lies)”
OMG KILROY (King of Rants)
I noticed that you spoke of Finland the other day.”
OMG Hungry for truth (AKA:LIVES FOR LIES)
Unless it was a type-o it twernt me.
Oh but, i do have a question. Is Quebec a country or a province?
OMG the written Diarrhea is strong with hungry today!
For its you who twists and turns when issues are addressed with you hence bella.
So who holds the hospital accountable? Well it appears not the Liberal government ,but hey they are not accountable either !
Any time, bella. Yous folks need all the help yous can get.
@ Stella. The only way to rid Canada of French people is to boot Quebec out of our confederation. Once that’s done, it would be easy to wipe out the French problem in the rest of Canada. Is there a world wide pattern happening? Any excuse for unrest and war will do for those who enjoy unrest and war. It’s a form of entertainment for those who have all their needs met. Humanity has thrived on conflict and hostility, and on it goes.
edudyorlik September 16, 2013 at 4:00 pm
“Unless it was a type-o it twernt me.”
Precisely my point!
Unless it was a type -o it twernt me that
talked about Australia.
Oh but, i do have a question. Is Quebec a country or a province?
AS FAR AS I KNOW THEY ARE A PROVINCE THAT SHARES
OUR CANADIAN HERITATAGE.
HENCE WHEN I WROTE;
Respecting ones Heritage and allowing Quebecers to florish and
grow within it’s own Country’s Heritage,
Highlander September 16, 2013 at 4:09 pm
“For its you who twists and turns when issues are addressed with you hence bella.”
Bella? The one that accuses and then says it’s her opinion bella?
Doesn’t surprise me that you flock together. Good luck with that.
3 cheers for bella and her intellectual contributions. HIP HIP HURAY!
Furtz…..you have a nice sense of humour. I LOL when I read your previous posts. Thanks for bringing some form of light heartedness to this debate. Life is not all gloom and doom **smile**
After a busy day, I kicked back to read the posts. What is very evident from the crew of two is a sense of insecurity.
We have a professional man who is dedicated to a cause, working diligently behind the scene to address a hiring practise that he believes is unfair and yet he have a guy like highlander saying:
“OMG the written Diarrhea is strong with hungry today!
Folks does that sound like a guy who really cares about “UNFAIR HIRING PRACTISES. NOT ONE IOTA. What it indicates is that he is more concerned with his own radical agenda which is to separate this country and eliminate French as per galganov’s pamphlet.
Then the freedom gang wonders why they are not taken seriously and complain they don’t get answers.
Why do you assume the problem is with “French people” furtz? I know I never said any such thing.
It’s funny you and humanity seem to thrive on the same things.
Sorry bella. My comment to you was severely censored by the moderator. Fight on!
FurtzSeptember 16, 2013 at 5:38 pm
“Sorry bella. My comment to you was severely censored by the moderator. Fight on!”
furtz , you never addressed her, the message was directed to
stella. Watch out my friend she’ll hang you.
How about that parrot? Any news?
stellabystarlight September 16, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Funny thing that you bring up Galganov. On the Local french radio news today they where talking about Galganov and Brisson.
The Township has had to put them into collection.
They have paid nothing after nine months since they have been ordered by the Courts to pay legal fees in the amount of $240.000 in the case they lost.
If they do not pay the citizens will be on the hook. The Township will seek to pursue them in Court.
Their actions or lack there of speaks VOLUMES.
Then I guess I should thank admin. lol
Thanks Admin. 😉
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pssst hungry, I think you missed something in your haste to prove me wrong. lol You better go read it again. I’m sure you can find it on your own.
bella
September 16, 2013 at 2:09 pm
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Oh and bravo to you for changing the subject so as to not have to stand behind your own words. Again. That’s ok, I’m not the only one who sees it. Shine on.
*s*
bella September 16, 2013 at 7:21 am
Oh and PS…..Hungry for the Truth….
September 15, 2013 at 6:21 pm
“Please do not use you backhanded apology to me as proof of anything besides anger and hate. It was not meant to be kind or humble, it was once again an attempt to belittle and insult.”
I’m glad to see that you have extra perceptual psychic abilities that allows you to see beyond and judge my intention. With an ability like yours you should join the circus.
They’re always looking for freaks with psychic abilities.
As to “use”I think I can use what I want. I do not need your permission.
Unless of course you have a copyright on the words.
Yes but Stella… Neither you, Furtz or Hungry for truth (AKA: Lives for lies) will acknowledge how inhuman it is for the French powers that be in “the province” of Quebec which is ONLY just a province in Canada which incidentally is a country that has a majority English population —
not withstanding any so called “good or “legitimate” reasons” like — it is all part of saving our language and culture — (which actually, are neither good nor legitimate reasons btw)
— to be treating fellow Canadian citizens in this disrespectful, discourteous and downright RUDE manner that this public servant “bus driver” treated this lady?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GUkNVjM4Gc&hd=1
You can clearly hear a snarky tone of disdain (which many if us are oh so familiar with) in this bus drivers voice, (the reason for which becomes obvious in her final remark) because of the fact that this lady is VERY politely asking a question in – get ready for it… duh duh duh duhhhhhhhh… the moudit h’anglais language.
But this “attitude” is not coming from just anyone mind you, this lady is politely asking a question to a “public employee” who is “supposed to be” tasked with the — very high profile public relations type job — of dealing with the general “Canadian public” since we have indeed determined that she is simply in one of the “PROVINCES in CANADA” (and, i am now pretty darn sure Quebec is “just a province” inside the majority Anglophone country of Canada because the wonderful and amazingly knowledgeable HFTT has told us ALL as such when he said ”as far as I knows it is indeed a province in Canada” within his message above stamped Hungry for the Truth…. September 16, 2013 at 4:35 pm)
So, the Question that arises from this terrible treatment of a member of the public–
(which actually should be more of a concern than a question)
— IS
since Quebec and the French powers that be believe that they can carry on demoralizing and treating the English Canadian citizens who happen to live in “that province” INSIDE THE COUNTRY of CANADA in this downright negative way while at the same time blatantly stating things like — (I’ll let “my wonderful pal Pauline say it in her words) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rpJbxjT564&hd=1 because after all, French is — the majority language – in that “province.”
Doesn’t it firstly — seem WRONG –
and doesn’t it secondly seem, — incredibly hypocritical — for the French to NOT apply the same conceptual application of the fact that “English is the majority language” in Canada (the COUNTRY WITHIN WHICH the province of Quebec RESIDES) as they use regarding the idea that French being the majority language in the “province of Quebec” and thus allow for the same concept IN BOTH scenarios to be the catalyst towards realizing that demanding French outside Quebec, the way the French powers that be are doing is MOST hypocritical?
Oh and, while we’re speaking of concepts and catalysts which only seem to apply in one direction, can you explain why
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBc5gzuHbKI&hd=1
the English language is an insult to a certain large group of French Canadian citizens who live in a province which is inside a country that has English as the majority language?
Great post bella.
bella wrote to hungry for truth (AKA: Lives for Lies),
“Please do not use you backhanded apology to me as proof of anything besides anger and hate. It was not meant to be kind or humble, it was once again an attempt to belittle and insult.”
Imagine… This attitude coming from the same character who on at least one occasion (perhaps even more than once) tried to claim he was a a man of — Respect and Civility
— RIGHT !!!!
PS: i agree that his comments were inline with what you contest they were 😉
Oh my goodness the baloney is strong in this one! lol
May I present your apology?
Hungry for the Truth…. September 3, 2013 at 6:05 pm
@bella
Please accept my apologies. I found your reference to your
claim. It does exist. I stand corrected.
You were not sorry for being wrong, you were not sorry for calling me out , and you were not sorry for your error, you were sorry you got caught in a lie, and that there was in fact proof of your error. If I’m wrong, prove it.
Again, when demonstrating what a stand up guy you are, please refrain from spreading false stories and making up baloney to make yourself look better than you are that include me. I want no part or responsibility for your words or opinions.
stellabystarlight September 16, 2013 at 3:52 pm
” Why was the hiring issue with the CCH dropped?”
It hasn’t been dropped,but at the moment on the side burner
“Why couldn’t it have been pursued if in fact it was discriminatory?”
Because the Government encourages the discriminatory policy through the legislation of the FLSA!
Why the change of venue from the local issue?
Many realized that its not just a local issue but a systemic issue.
“Why join forces with galganov?”
Galgonov is a rights fighter and the principles of the charter Should not be selectively be followed .
The charter of rights gets readily violated by some in the intetest of language ,rights are rights and should not be negotiated away.
“Why the push to separate this GREAT NATION?”
Some believe that separation is the only way to resolve these ongoing issues and both partners would benefit.
As the Federal government is not willing to deal with the Quebec issue avoidance will only lead to further problems within society not only for Quebec but to Canada as a whole.
Now your turn to answer My questions.
Furtz September 16, 2013 at 4:32 pm
“@ Stella. The only way to rid Canada of French people is to boot Quebec out of our confederation. Once that’s done, it would be easy to wipe out the French problem in the rest of Canada.”
Wait there Furtz isn’t that what the separatists are doing by getting rid of the English and that Ethnic vote to setup the winning conditions for Seperation .
God forbid they get this as Quebec upon a seperate state humanity will suffer as Ethnic cleansing would sure to prevail.
bella September 17, 2013 at 5:33 am
“Hungry for the Truth…. September 3, 2013 at 6:05 pm
@bella
Please accept my apologies. I found your reference to your
claim. It does exist. I stand corrected.”
Checkmate there bella.
He has been proven wrong yet again ITS BECOMING HABITUAL.
**** People please take note in all this time we have never heard them chastise the separatist government for thier obvious attempts at human rights violations …..think of that for a second out of your busy lives *****
A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING!
Hungry for the Truth…. September 16, 2013 at 6:48 pm
” They have paid nothing after nine months since they have been ordered by the Courts to pay legal fees in the amount of $240.000 in the case they lost”
I wouldn’t pay either for the principle that the judge metivier who decided was on many francophone groups and a francophone advocate thereby biased .
She in fact is part of a judicial franco rights groups as well .
Interesting that she said it was alright to violate individual rights in the greater interest of bilingualism.
Since when is it OK to violate your individual rights ,when you have not broken the law?
CORRUPTION ,JUDICIAL AND POLITICAL.
Hungry for the Truth….
September 16, 2013 at 6:48 pm
It is a normal process for the townships to use collection agencies, but is there not still a court action in play which would hold payment?
bella September 17, 2013 at 5:33 am
“Again, when demonstrating what a stand up guy you are, please refrain from spreading false stories and making up baloney to make yourself look better than you are that include me. I want no part or responsibility for your words or opinions.”
If you want no part or responsibility leave my posts alone. Stop injecting your opinions. When you accuse you include yourself. Leave it alone. Keep your destructive opinions to yourself. That all it is derogative opinions. You can’t back what you accuse.
So leave it alone and see if the circus needs your mean spirited psychic interpretations. I know I don’t need them. They are completely useless and demeaning.
highlander answered: It hasn’t been dropped,but at the moment on the side burner
OH Ok….lol 3 1/2 years on the side burner? Probably up in flames by now.
Because the Government encourages the discriminatory policy through the legislation of the FLSA!
Could you kindly explain?
highlander answered: Many realized that its not just a local issue but a systemic issue.
OH OK…..many would not agree. It became a systemic issue when you hooked up with galganov. That is when your agenda changed.
I must go now…stay tuned.
HAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA
Listen here Chubby Checker (the star behind the very dance you claim everyone else plays.), I think it’s time to back away from the keyboard. You are blinded by your anger and frustration towards me, that you just don’t get it.
Why do you refuse to back up your own words? Why is it that you can blunder along aimlessly, but we are the haters?
@HFTT………je te l’avait dit elle n’a jamais rien a dire sauf de ridiculiser les autres et de tourner les postes a ca maniere comme son ami……….tu sais qui.
Tu ne gagneras jamais avec elle, c’est comme un chien avec un os………ou pire…. attacher a ta jambe. Plus tu la secous, plus agitees elle devient.
highlander September 17, 2013 at 6:44 am
“I wouldn’t pay either for the principle that the judge metivier who decided was on many francophone groups and a francophone advocate thereby biased .”
I wouldn’t expect any other answer from you Highlander.
All other Canadians have to respect the Courts Judgements and the laws as they are. But no you. Your judgement warrants breaking the Law on personal principle.
Our judicial system in Canada has higher courts to settle disagreements. In the process ALL Canadians have to respect and act on a Court Judgement.
“Since when is it OK to violate your individual rights ,when you have not broken the law?”
If they win their case in a higher Court they get refunded. Not respecting the judgement on a principle is breaking the Law.
Using that as an excuse to stiff the residents of The Township with the bill is as lame as saying, I will not go for jury duty because my personal principles do not agree with the process. For reasons of personal principles my action of not respecting
the Law are justified.
.
As a Canadian Citizen if you invoke the Charter of Rights for it’s protection you must also agree to respect the Law as it is written. It’s a package deal.
English Lassie September 16, 2013 at 5:52 am
“So do you go “incognito” when u meet with the powers that be to discuss the unfair hiring practices @ Cornwall Community Hospital???”
Why do you assume that I’m meeting with CCH?
“Who have u meet with, waiting for updates ever so patiently…”
If you are waiting for a detailed daily report and minutes of the
meetings you may want get yourself another blanket because It’s
going to get cold in HELL.
I’m not conducting a POROTEST Rally.
An honest, respectful, civil non threatening dialogue.
bella, we are not the haters because we want some limits on the French push, like we see from our Francophone Thibodeau. He is giving French people a bad name!
Michel Thibodeau, et al. v. Air Canada, et al.
January 2014 court date
(Federal Court) (Civil) (By Leave)
Keywords
Official languages – Conflicting legislation.
Summary
Case summaries are prepared by the Office of the Registrar of the Supreme Court of Canada (Law Branch) for information purposes only.
Official languages – Consistency between fundamental rights and legislation arising from treaty – Conflicting legislation and precedence – Carrier violating travellers’ language rights – Whether language rights remedies available from court limited by treaty signed by Canada concerning carriage by air – Whether Montreal Convention applicable to public law remedies – Whether applicable statutes consistent – Statute that must prevail where statutes inconsistent – Whether court can grant structural injunctions where systematic breach of language duties proved – Official Languages Act, R.S. 1985, c. 31, ss. 77(4) and 82(1)(d) – Carriage by Air Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. C 26, Schedule VI (Montreal Convention), Art. 29.
The applicants each filed eight complaints with the Commissioner of Official Languages because of services received solely in English from Air Canada during trips taken between January and May 2009: at the Atlanta, Ottawa and Toronto airports and on flights between Canada and the United States, they had not received the required services in French. The Federal Court found offences, declared that the OLA and the Montreal Convention were inconsistent and that the OLA took precedence, made one specific order and two general orders against Air Canada and awarded damages. The Federal Court of Appeal set aside that judgment, excluded the award of damages for the incidents that had occurred on international flights and rejected the possibility of a general order.
bella September 16, 2013 at 2:33 pm
“Prove you didn’t say it. Prove my time stamps are wrong.”
I attest to having never said the things that I have been falsely
accused of saying. This is my proof. I proved it.
If you think I’m wrong SHOW ME your evidence that I said what
you say I said.
Uh, HFTT, being selective of which Charter Rights a person has should be a crime.
Hungry for the Truth….
September 17, 2013 at 10:16 am
“As a Canadian Citizen if you invoke the Charter of Rights for it’s protection you must also agree to respect the Law as it is written. It’s a package deal.”
ooooo super secret stella! There is no need to belittle me in two languages. Everybody knows how you feel about me and the posting style that you have come to loathe. Has no one ever held you accountable for your words before??
stellabystarlight September 17, 2013 at 10:09 am
Stella, Elle m’amuse. She thinks she’s highly skilled and witty with her derogative slurs.
She seems to like to inflate herself by being the strong arm. Looking for approval form her leaders.
J’te comprend quand tu dit qu’elle est comme un chien qui chasse sa queu.
In the mean time she’s good for the entertainment value for the more serious readers. The ones that can see through her childish schoolyard antics and appreciate the laugh. Hahhahah lol….
Now I have to go and answer Highlander’s VERY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS that have been answered 1000 times before.
Ya, c’est ca. Si je repond pas, il vas comencer a me narguer encore….tu comprend.
A bientôt….
Eric September 17, 2013 at 10:21 am
“Uh, HFTT, being selective of which Charter Rights a person has should be a crime.”
I thought the Charter of Rights and Freedoms was accessible to and for ALL CANADIANS equally.
Hungry for the Truth…. September 17, 2013 at 10:16 am
“As a Canadian Citizen if you invoke the Charter of Rights for it’s protection you must also agree to respect the Law as it is written. It’s a package deal.”
It is is it so why has Quebec on many occasions used section 33 of the charter “notwithstanding clause as a get out of jail free card”?
The charter is not worth the paper its written on as its been violated more then as a cheap hooker!
‘Our judicial system in Canada has higher courts to settle disagreements. In the process ALL Canadians have to respect and act on a Court Judgement”
“If they win their case in a higher Court they get refunded. Not respecting the judgement on a principle is breaking the Law”
“If a law is unjust ,a man is not only right to disobey it;he is obligated to do so”…………………Thomas Jefferson
stellabystarlight September 17, 2013 at 9:54 am
“OH Ok….lol 3 1/2 years on the side burner? Probably up in flames by now.”
Stella like the size of the fish your lenths of time get longer and longer it has been 2 1/2 years ,but the truth means nothing to you!
“Because the Government encourages the discriminatory policy through the legislation of the FLSA!”
“Could you kindly explain?”
The government set forth legislation and there was no measured approach for implementation!
This is akin to the government setting legislation for speeding ,but the police set the speed limits .
Governments should have an implementation process (guildlines ) for government entities and as for most government entities the FLSA has been abused!
Ask yourself why 65% of Ontario government employees REQUIRED to be bilingual to serve 4% of the population?
This is discrimination based on liguistic ability for the remaining 96%(well in most democracies BUT NOT CANADA).
Eric September 17, 2013 at 10:18 am
“He is giving French people a bad name!”
Why is he giving French people a bad name?
Eric September 17, 2013 at 9:34 am
Hungry for the Truth….
September 16, 2013 at 6:48 pm
It is a normal process for the townships to use collection agencies, but is there not still a court action in play which would hold payment?”
I can’t confirm with certainty if the courts have such a system. But logic dictates the Courts can only hold what individuals pay. If they don’t respect the Court Order to pay I guess they have to be collected.
From what the news are reporting they have not paid any of $240.000. Therefor the Courts would have nothing to hold.
Again with the super secret belittling. The class you both display is astonishing. Dog with a bone. Bitch with barnacle on her butt. You just hate that I keep you honest.
Hungry for the Truth….
“If you think I’m wrong SHOW ME your evidence that I said what
you say I said.”
I don’t think I’ll bother any longer. Besides you wouldn’t believe it if you saw it. I would once again be accused of twisting and spinning and whinging and really, who needs that?
HFTT, I mean if there is ongoing or upcoming court action directly involved to the case, the payment could be put on pause awaiting that next judgment.
The bad name comes from using taxpayer money and resources well beyond what is necessary. A couple of million for bus announcements in Ottawa for example, that do not come close to being effective, take a ride one day. The driver not saying good morning and bonjour was also a terrible sin with him.
How do we know what is necessary? All we get is provide more French, it is not like the numbers have changed to show a need. It is not like French people are dying in the streets because they could not take a bus to the right location for le McDonalds.
Highlander September 17, 2013 at 5:53 am
stellabystarlight September 16, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Stella wrote: “Why was the hiring issue with the CCH dropped?”
Highlander wrote: “It hasn’t been dropped,but at the moment on the side burner”
I take it you and yours can’t multitask.
Stella wrote: “Why couldn’t it have been pursued if in fact it was discriminatory?”
Highlander wrote: “Because the Government encourages the discriminatory policy through the legislation of the FLSA!”
From your own admission you have been given verbal confirmation from two separate Individuals Mr. Moore and Mrs. Meilleur have confirmed that the hospital had gone beyond their required duties and that their HIRING POLICIES was the source of discrimination not the FLSA.
Stella wrote “Why the change of venue from the local issue?”
Highlander wrote: “Many realized that its not just a local issue but a systemic issue.”
You just confirmed that it was the FLSA that was responsible for the problem. What does Quebec have to do with FLSA of Ontario.
Why does Quebec have to Separate from Canada in order to fix a Locally created problem?
Stella wrote: “Why join forces with galganov?”
Highlander wrote: “Galgonov is a rights fighter and the principles of the charter Should not be selectively be followed .The charter of rights gets readily violated by some in the intetest of language ,rights are rights and should not be negotiated away.”
That is a matter of OPINION. I’m sure there is a diverse base of non-supporters of his fights. Especially in this region. I’m not sure that The Russel Township support his antics that will in all probability cost them a quarter of a millions dollars.
Stella wrote: “Why the push to separate this GREAT NATION?”
Highlander wrote: “Some believe that separation is the only way to resolve these ongoing issues and both partners would benefit.As the Federal government is not willing to deal with the Quebec issue avoidance will only lead to further problems within society not only for Quebec but to Canada as a whole.”
How does any of this prevent anyone from working at correcting Unfair Hiring Practices in Cornwall, Ontario?
Highlander wrote: “Now your turn to answer My questions.”
Come on Stella he showed you HIS now you show HIM yours. LOL…
Hungry for the Truth…. September 17, 2013 at 10:55 am
“I thought the Charter of Rights and Freedoms was accessible to and for ALL CANADIANS equally”
REALLY what of Ethnics and English in Quebec -oh thats right Quebec’s get out of jail free card -” the notwithstanding clause ” section 33 of the charter!
bella September 17, 2013 at 11:26 am
Keep him accountable to his words ,not to worry he will twist and turn it around as usuall like his avoidence to admit fault but hey the readers are watching ….he is twisting in the wind ….but in his mind he is perfect …the rest of us know of his ability to be frequently wrong.
Eric September 17, 2013 at 11:45 am
“HFTT, I mean if there is ongoing or upcoming court action directly involved to the case, the payment could be put on pause awaiting that next judgment.”
I don’t think that the judicial system is so. If you have been found guilty and a judgement or court order is issued you must respect it. However you have the right to bring your disagreement with the judgement to a higher court and if you win you will be refunded.
DID they appeal the lower court judgement?
“The bad name comes from using taxpayer money and resources well beyond what is necessary.”
Why is this claim of a breach of Charter Right any different than an English speaking Canadian that complains about being served in French. Files a Complaint with the Language Commissionaire which you have admitted, cost tax payers a ridiculous amount of money. How is that any different than a French speaking Canadian Right to equal protection to be served in the language of his choice?
“A couple of million for bus announcements in Ottawa for example, that do not come close to being effective, take a ride one day.”
Not effective maybe. Required yes. Even Montreal’s Metro’s have Bilingual Signs and announcements in all of their trains.
“The driver not saying good morning and bonjour was also a terrible sin with him.”
Is that the same as a Postal worker saying Bonjour to an English Speaking Canadian?
“How do we know what is necessary? All we get is provide more French, it is not like the numbers have changed to show a need.”
Because the Charter is about equality. Not about numbers but humans. French Canadians living in a Province that has English as it’s Official de facto Language. Franco-Ontarian’s being turned away from jobs if they don’t speak English.
“It is not like French people are dying in the streets because they could not take a bus to the right location for le McDonalds.”
If you consider that your statement is a fair assessment of Ontario’s French minority, would the same statement be a fair assessment of Quebec’s English minority be applicable also?
It is not like English people are dying in the streets because they could not take a bus to the right location for le McDonalds.
If your argument is about cost to service the minority’s linguistic rights why should Quebec be expected to provide English Services, if Ontario should not have to provide French Services based on cost.
Highlander September 17, 2013 at 10:55 am
“It is is it so why has Quebec on many occasions used section 33 of the charter “notwithstanding clause as a get out of jail free card”?”
MANY occasions. Show those MANY occasions.
Do tell….
“If a law is unjust ,a man is not only right to disobey it;he is obligated to do so”…………………Thomas Jefferson
Quoting a dead President as justification to break the law is ?????? Bring that to Court and see how far it goes as a defence.
Speaking of support. Oh yeah bellaaaaa. Good one…
On September 17, 2013 at 10:33 am
bella wrote, “ ooooo super secret stella! There is no need to belittle me in two languages. Everybody knows how you feel about me and the posting style that you have come to loathe. Has no one ever held you accountable for your words before??”
And to “those” others among us in this forum I would like to add.
This speaking derogatorily about people in French is akin to the typical and rude behavior a friend of mine often tells me about regarding her English/French relatives and what transpires when they get together.
Even though EVERYONE knows ENGLISH (that would make sense since we are in Canada where “the main common language is English”) the French side (go figure) ends up talking to each other in FRENCH with total disregard for those who completely DO NOT understand French.
Oh yes, here it comes. I can almost hear it ringing through my wall from the great beyond. The French whiny voice saying,
— Why don’t they ALL just simply learn French ? –
Yes, I thought I heard that but, the simple answer is
WHY SHOULD THEY. Period.
And if you don’t understand how I could come that as — THE ANSWER — then I suggest you take a group of your French friends and take a flight to Russia. Once there seek out a neighborhood meeting then once in the meeting, begin speaking French to your pals among that group.
Then, when someone requests that you be “respectfully” speak Russian since, after all that is “the main and common language OF THAT COUNTRY” try telling them (in that oh so familiar snarky tone) that they should just learn French.
You can report back as to what happened when you get back. That is, If you get back 🙂
And on that note, I bid you “a safe and enlightening one — maybe two way — flight” kind day eh 🙂