Discrimination
Discrimination. The big D word. A word most readily used by many though rarely meritable in its’ use. In our contemporary world of political correctness, discrimination is one of many ‘buzzwords’ that forms a politicians’ lexicon of verbal spaghetti. Political figures love to throw around the idea that one group of people are often discriminated against by another group of people or even by a nation’s laws. It is a fantastic vote grabber for those most instrumental in the art of politics. The truth however, in this day and age, is that rarely are modern-day laws discriminatory in their practice, right?
Wrong!
Have you ever heard of the concepts of affirmative action or what we like to call employment equity in Canada? These are concepts that were instituted into Canadian law to help level the playing field for those who have traditionally suffered the ill consequences of discrimination; especially in the job market. Under the Constitution Act of 1982, containing the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms; equity legislation is detailed therein. The Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) is enforced by the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) and it is this commission that deals with whether or not discrimination has taken place in the workplace.
The following details the issue of Prohibited Grounds of Discrimination in Canada: (Belcourt, Bohlander, & Snell, Managing Human Resources, 5th Canadian Edition, 2008).
Race or colour
Religion
Physical or mental disability
Dependence on alcohol or drugs
Age
Sex
Marital status
Family status
Sexual orientation
National or ethnic origin (including linguistic background)
Ancestry of place of origin
Language
Social Condition or origin
Source of income
Assignment, attachment or seizure of pay
Based on association
Political belief
Record of criminal conviction
Pardoned conviction
While appearing like a fair and equitable approach to the issue of fairness in hiring practices; employment equity actually creates the framework for unfair hiring criteria – whereby the best qualified person may be the most successful candidate but may not be chosen due to government imposed employment equity legislation. Case-in-point; consider the possibility of two highly qualified candidates applying for the same government or private sector industry, job. One candidate, a qualified counselor who, as a child, was raised in the atmosphere of a same sex marriage; understands the very real social challenges faced by his/her same sex parents. One could surmise that not only is this individual qualified as a counselor; but has the added experience of being raised in a non-traditional family setting, outside of the traditional nuclear family. The other candidate is also a highly qualified counselor but is a homosexual. By the very definition and reasoning for employment equity, chances are that the successful candidate will be chosen due to his/her sexuality and not necessarily for his/her skills.
Another scenario if you will. Imagine an Aboriginal couple fostering a non-Aboriginal child who is raised and immersed in Aboriginal culture. He/she has a university/college education associated with his/her chosen field; speaks an Aboriginal language, is well-versed in the culture and customs associated with the First Nation and has all the credentials required of someone who could work for a government or non-government Aboriginal organization. The other candidate also has some or most of these qualifications but has one added qualification. Their ethnicity or race is of a First Nation. Once again, by the very definition and reasoning for employment equity, chances are that the successful candidate will be chosen due to his/her ethnicity or race and not necessarily for his/her skills.
Sound like rare or improbable cases and scenarios to you? I can attest that they’re not. They’re increasingly happening everyday in Canada and Human Resources professionals have had to contend with the issue of unfair hiring criteria that these laws have created since at least 1995 with the Employment Equity Act.
If you think at this point that our Canadian employment laws are unfair and unjustified then I have even more bad news for you. Consider the above information I’ve provided about Employment Equity. Add to this the increasingly unfair bilingual language requirements as well and you can see where things are headed. A politically correct society where in the quest for fairness we’ve permitted a very unfair system to flourish unchallenged by the people themselves. We need to ask ourselves if Canada’s employment and language laws are really a reflection of what we encompass and value as a society or if our various levels of government are attempting through social engineering, to shape and mould the people’s consciousness to the system itself. In other words, do the people work for the system or should the system work for the people?
Ever heard of the concept of a ‘bona fide occupational qualification’? Believe it or not, this concept currently exists in Canada and it allows for discrimination in hiring! That’s right folks. You read that correctly. In the very ‘Act’, the Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) whose existence is to prohibit discriminatory hiring practices there exists government-sponsored discriminatory hiring! As Belcourt et al. reports (2008):
The act applies to all federal government departments and agencies, to Crown corporations, and to other businesses and industries under federal jurisdiction, such as banks, airlines, railway companies, and insurance and communications companies. For those areas not under federal jurisdiction, protection is available under provincial human rights laws. Provincial laws, although very similar to federal ones, do differ from province to province. Every province and territory has a human rights act (or code), and each has jurisdiction prohibiting discrimination in the workplace. The prohibited grounds of discrimination in employment include race, religion, sex, age, national or ethnic origin, physical handicap, and marital status…Employers are permitted to discriminate if employment preferences are based on a bona fide occupational qualifications (BFOQ) or BFOR (bona fide occupational requirement). A BFOQ is justified if the employer can establish necessity for business operations. In other words, differential treatment is not discrimination if there is a justifiable reason. (106)
This sounds an awful lot like Orwell’s, Animal Farm, where Commandment #7 which originally stated that:
“All animals are equal”
Was eventually changed to,
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”
Is this the kind of Canada we want to live and work in? Surely the ideology of an individual’s rights should trump group rights in all respects. Should it not? Otherwise, we need to ask ourselves if we truly live in a democracy where all citizens enjoy the same rights and privileges as all others. As of this writing, the majority of our citizenry cannot work for their civil service or hold the highest office of the land due to nothing more than a lack of knowledge of one of Canada’s minority languages.
Please keep in mind that,
“All Canadians are equal, but some Canadians are more equal than others”
Cory Cameron
Timmins, On
Sunday August 25, 2013
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You’re aren’t really ignoring me if you are talking about me, even if it’s in super secret.
You made the bold statement, not me. And yet you think I’m the crazy one? Pshaw, Mr hungry. Pshaw!
Edudyorlik October 1, 2013 at 5:29 pm
edudyorlik (AKA: LIVES TO RANT ) wrote,
“Funny how “”equality” is henceforth extended from — as to their use in all institutions of the Parliament and government of Canada.” – to in all areas.”
THE RANTER SAYS A HOSPITAL IS NOT A GOVERNMENT INSTITUTION.
“NOT — every hospital”
HIGHLANDER SAYS YES A HOSPITAL IS A GOVERNMENT INSTITUTION.
Highlander October 2, 2013 at 3:46 pm
“EVEN WHEN THE HOSPITAL IS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY !”
SO WHAT IS IT….?????
Highlander October 2, 2013 at 3:46 pm
“So how does Quebec’s historical facts answer that question ,well Ontario is historically English so why have bilingual anything ?”
BEACAUSE IT”S THE LAW. There is 601,245 French Speaking ONTARIAN’S. And I know JEFFERSON may justify his disobedience to a LAW. But in CANADA part of Citizenship is obedience and respect to the LAWS of the LAND.
HftT wrote; What would you have FRENCH CANADIANS DO learn ENGLISH.?
“No that is wrong to you but English Canadians must learn French for opportunities in their own government!”
A FRENCH CANADIAN THAT WANTS A PUBLIC SERVICE JOB IN ONTARIO MUST LEARN ENGLISH….FOR OPPORTUNITIES WITH THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.
HOW IS ONTARIO’S LINGUISTIC JOB REQUIREMENT ANY DIFFERENT TO THE FRENCH MINORITY?
QUEBEC REQUIRES FRENCH ….ONTARIO REQUIRES ENGLISH….
WHERE IS THE DIFFERENCE?
HftT wrote; NUMERS….THE MAJORITY. SHOULD that give you the RIGHT to disrespect and again seek to DOMINATE the French Canadians.”
“No should it give the right for Quebec to disrespect and to seek to DOMINATE ITS MINORITIES!”
NO SHOULD IT GIVE ONTARIO THE RIGHT TO DISRESPECT AND DOMINATE IT’S FRENCH MINORITY?
@Furtz RE: POST on October 2, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Furtz wrote, “@ bella. It could be that your asinine comments are not worthy of a reply. Apart from vitriol and insults, what have you contributed to the conversation?”
Hey hey hey there Furtz buddy. I’ll have you know that bella has contributed A LOT more than you have around here … After all, she has some of theeeeee best jabs at the likes of hftt and *s* that anyone has ever come up with… She DOES NOT deserve that kind of treatment from you. Not to mention, she has put hftt (AKA: Lives for lies) in his place in much more creative ways than many of us here ever have. And thus, she deserves the unmitigated respect of all of us — go bella — 😉
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Furtz wrote, “@ Hungry. Why are you arguing with these six fools? What you are doing is a variation of “feeding the trolls”. These clowns would soon disappear into their secret bunkers if they were ignored.
Furtz… Damn, cut that out will ya. Leave HFTT (lives for lies) alone. How the heck are the readers supposed to get an understanding of the “true warped French sense of entitlement” if you manage to get hftt (AKA: Lives for lies) to stop spewing the lies that allow us to counter with relevant news stories that show the truth about what is going on in this country. Stories like this little nugget …
http://youtu.be/udsO_u_DSs8?t=1m5s
And this one …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So4E9xkUqfs&hd=1
And this one…
http://youtu.be/k3CMpi8TxCU?t=3m22s
P.C. “If we don’t do nothing then we will be in a bilingual Montreal and i don’t think it is a good thing for nobody in Quebec.” Oh yes, imagine that. A bilingual Montreal, CANADA. Shesh… And you claim Cory’s complaints are petty…
LOVELY !!!
We must not forget pastagate or even this one…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBz6fce9Sw8&hd=1
All topped by this kind of French ONLY rhetoric
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWwejJg5jhQ&hd=1
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Furtz wrote, “@ Kilroy. No Frills has a special on aluminum foil this week. For $4.99 you can make enough beanies for all your friends.”
Awww gee thanks Furtz, looking out for my pocket book while slamming me with your lame feeble minded swipes.
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Furtz wrote, “@ Cory. Still anxiously waiting for your next angst ridden letter. Is it writers block that’s holding you back, or are you just cruising the roads looking for more offensive flags and such to whine about?”
Funny, your never mention how trivial the French powers that be are with their trivial attacks on the English language. Like the on and off buttons on the photo copy machines and the
or the start and stop buttons on the photo copier being too English. http://youtu.be/6AIg11uJw94?t=1m50s
After all, where do you think us English learned the 3 steps to getting your way as a supposed Canada citizen?
1, Whine
2) Whine
3) Whine like the French powers that be
They taught us well. Right down to packaging in the stores. Must have the French side pointing out when placed on the shelves don’t_cha_know.
Get those late night packers in line. Crack that whip. Le Francais MUST SHOW hout towards da public moudit. No hinglish.
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And now we’ve reached
the very spot
i know you know it well
the spot that drives your buddy nuts
and torments him to hell
That’s right, i’d like to wish for you
an “Alcan” type of day
but not without the final touch,
let’s not forget the eh 🙂 eh 😉
On October 2, 2013 at 8:40 pm hftt (AKA: Lives for lies) went off the deep end and tried to insist that…
Air Canada YES FEDERAL
OC Transpo YES FEDERAL
every hospital YES FEDERAL$ institutions of the Parliament and government of Canada
all police forces FEDERAL”
Are all CONSIDERED institutions or DEPT. of the Parliament and government of Canada.
hungry (lives for lies) ARE YOU OFF YOUR MEDS?
Hungry wrote, “In addition, certain organizations, such as Air Canada and NAV CANADA, retained their language obligations after they were privatized.”
Wasn’t that convenient. Private companies bowing to that same freakin cr@p.
Yeah they took us all by the short and curlies. Just like you are trying to do also with your twisty sense of what you call logic
Oh and, nice try regarding OC Transpo hftt (AKA is for lies)
the former head of OC even say’s so himself.
“OUR Employee’s ARE NOT CONSIDERED to be in bilingual positions.” http://youtu.be/oD1FiZjS95w?t=1m1s
You’re worse than those in power. Trying to “include” every possible employment avenue with your slippery wording and doublespeak.
HAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAH What a piece of work!
Quit yelling, everyone knows you’re here.
Although your silence on the following matter is very concerning.
Hungry for the Truth….
September 21, 2013 at 3:44 pm
The French people =The French Government. = The same.
Your equation would lead one to believe that this new fancy Quebec Values Charter that is being put forth by the Quebec government, has the support of all French people. Would you make so bold a statement? Or does the equation only work in certain instances as needed?
I will repost the entire post by hungry, to prove I have edited nothing. He seems to think I’ll go away, if he only acknowledges me in super secret only, but not a chance.
So without further ado, I give you hungry in all his mouthy glory……
Hungry for the Truth….
September 21, 2013 at 3:44 pm
highlander September 21, 2013 at 3:17 pm
“I do not blame the French people for our language apartheid but the governments for setting up the conditions for it to thrive.”
You should run for politics. The French people are represented by their FRENCH government. It’s kind of hard of not blaming one without the other.
The French people =The French Government. = The same.
Oh snap!
Hungry’s post appears like it always existed somewhere!
Imagine that.
hmmmmmmm
Waiting……….
Hungry for the Truth….
October 2, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Hungry not for the truth you still haven’t addressed bella’s question .
Yes there is a pattern here that he refuses to address when he is wrong ,but OH THAT FRAGILE EGO!
So being that Madam Mielleur had stated that Cornwall Community Hospital had went beyond the provincial requirement for FLSA services and its implementations ,why has the government chosen not to address this ?
The hospitals remain a government entity are they not to follow provincial policy and procedure and when this is not being done is there no accountability for the government to address this?
There remains no practical approach to implementing the FLSA and no measured outcome for this implementation.
Governments sets policies and those governments should be accountable to their entities as well as the implementation .
At this point the government puts forth the FLSA policy without a measured response in its implementation and its own government entities determine the final outcome …..does the manager rely on the employee to implement his policies however the employee feels?
All this tells me that Government holds itself not accountable to how an government entity (Cornwall Community Hospital ) implements the LFSA policy even when they have not provided the framework or measured outcome!
Many wonder why they are so frustrated with the government ,this is a fine example of how government F**ks up everything.
Hungry for the Truth….
October 2, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Well hungry Canadian federal monies + Canadian Fuel Credit pay for Montreal’s metro system -is there mandatory bilingual there?
“every hospital YES FEDERAL$ institutions of the Parliament and government of Canada. section 23 of the Charter-”
SO IS THERE MANDATORY BILINGUAL IN QUEBEC HOSPITALS?
“all police forces FEDERAL $$$$$ + Provincial Language Regulations and obligations.”
ARE QUEBEC POLICE MANDATED TO BE BILINGUAL TO PROVIDE THE MINORITY LANGUAGE?
WHY NOT ?IF ITS EXPECTED THAT BILINGUAL SERVICES BE PROVIDED OUTSIDE OF QUEBEC SO WHY NOT WITHIN QUEBEC?
as they do have as many anglophones/allophones inside of Quebec as there are french within the entire remaining country!
You see Hungry your class system of which you advocate for is not part of what is called democracy whereby all peoples are treated equal .
French is no more important then English ,Irish ,Scottish ,Italian and the 200 other cultures and where special circumstances are included it only creates a class system like they have in India.
But like most socialist societies (STATE CONTROLLED)we are prone to class systems and we now have a MADE IN CANADA CLASS SYSTEM.
IN CANADA ones stature in life is not determined upon merit /education but the ability to speak the minority language and limited to that small percentage <10% (government bilingual testing) .
Really Think of this folks Quebec has the highest high-school drop out rate yet they have the highest employment in the federal government by far at least twice that of any other particular province.
This is quite a conundrum why is that ?
Social engineering ,it is mandatory for bilingualism in federal government and 80% of the country is not considered bilingual (french).
Why must 65+% of the government be bilingual to serve 22-24%.
SOCIAL ENGINEERING -(ITS REALLY THAT SIMPLE) .
DR.GOEBBELS AND HITLER WOULD HAVE BEEN PROUD TO IMPLEMENT SUCH A SYSTEM OF CONTROL ON THEIR PEOPLE ,WITHOUT EVEN A WHISPER !
Hungry for the Truth….
October 2, 2013 at 10:07 pm
“HOW IS ONTARIO’S LINGUISTIC JOB REQUIREMENT ANY DIFFERENT TO THE FRENCH MINORITY?”
Well for that 4% of the population that is french 65% of all Ontario government positions are designated bilingual,that means the remaining 96% with little or no chance at job opportunities.
“QUEBEC REQUIRES FRENCH ….ONTARIO REQUIRES ENGLISH….
WHERE IS THE DIFFERENCE?”
There is a big difference in that Ontario requires (mandates )most of the jobs(65%) to be bilingual ,Quebec does not require this !
HUNGRY STOP DRINKING THAT PURE LAINE COOL-AID YOU HAVE BECOME BLIND TO REASONING
Where is the representation by population that is the hallmark of democracy?
ITS CALLED SOCIAL ENGINEERING FOLKS!
HITLER AND GOEBBELS WOULD HAVE BEEN PROUD OF THIS TYPE OF CONTROL ON THEIR POPULOUS !
HFTT pens:
Cory Cameron October 2, 2013 at 3:00 pm
Cory,
You have allowed yourself to stray to far from your objective.
“If I felt for on second that you where sincere in your question I would be happy to inform you. However I doubt that is the case.”
Well, if I may be so bold as to ascertain why would I have asked the question in the first place of you then? Other than to seek an honourable and sincere response. Do you honestly think I have the time or the desire to continually chastize you the way you and the likes of others do to each other on this forum? Are you not intelligent enough to realize this back and forth dialogue is getting nobody anywhere?
And so I ask myself the following at times:
Why do you do what you do?
Is it some sick perversion you and your kin get your fill of by making us English folk angry at the current unfair government policies by getting us all riled up? After all, several from your side have admitted to the readers of CFN that you see all of this as ‘entertainment’.
Stella
Richard
Furtz
You
vs.
Highlander
Edudyorlik
Bella
Rosie
Me
I am trying to do something constructive; and I am sincerely yes sir, a second time now, requesting what kind of advances you have made up to now with the CCH administration. Although I don’t like you and probably never will – please by all means understand this if ever I teach you nothing else. Much like your compatriots, I don’t like you not because you are French – but I dislike you because of the slight, albeit snake-in-the-grass approach you take with those with whom you say you ‘debate’ with. And would you know, this type of lack-of-understanding on your and your compatriots’ behalf is really the thing that concerns me. It isn’t the name calling or the other shit that accompanies two or more parties when they disagree. No, what really bothers me are the types of beliefs that Stella has espoused in the past when she purports to think that I hate French people. Like I said before, the only French people I hate are those who come on here and publicly support unfair laws that favour their ethnicity to the detriment of all other Canadians due to their ethnicity alone – such as, the language in which they communicate.
Would you know that I think an excellent way to rid Canada of it’s unfair laws would be to have an international tribunal look into them? I mean if the Francophone and Non-Francophones disagree as to what’s fair and equitable in the approach to laws governing language and hiring in this country, why not have a third party made up of international legal experts look into the matter? In this way, there would be no bias whatsoever.
On a different note I, still much like Bella, cannot understand why you haven’t answered her question. It is this type of ‘question avoidance’ when speaking of the nitty gritty stuff I find so damn deplorable with the likes of you and a few others. But, we do have something in common, don’t we, HFTT? And that is, we both find that CCH hiring is unfair and would like to see it changed. Now, LFA and it’s membership have attempted to undertake this issue and have tried to do some good. And we failed. Now, it’s your turn………………………..
Hence, not seeing the likes of me posting on this forum for a few weeks now. You know, much like the time I extended to you the olive branch in working out a formula to bring to the CCH Board of Directors detailing a more fair hiring critera. However, you didn’t take me up on that offer now, did you? I have more important things to do other than to trade tirades with you, HFTT. And, come to think of it, you also should have more important things to do as well. For someone so hard at work in his approach to working out a more fair and equitable hiring criteria for the CCH is it any wonder you have any time left over whatsoever to trade insults with the likes of other posters here on CFN.
“So let me ask you HOW is your LFA CLAN work coming along any PRESS RELEASES FROM this big FALL MEETING?”
If and when something like that takes place – I do have a request from you and your ilk. And should you have any decency, integrity and if you have learned anything in this lifetime; I sincerely, honestly and respectively ask that you and the others mind your business by not typing anything in response to get solicit/elicit any negative responses from LFA followers. As in please stop with the bullying to those who have had enough of unfair hiring practices that favour Canada’s second largest ethnicity.
“Do tell….AFTER 3 and half years you should have a few PRESS RELEASES coming soon?”
You know, come to think about it, I think you and the others should put your money where your mouth is and do show up to one of the public meetings; should we desire to have another one. I see the potential for real growth there. Don’t you? At the very least, all dirty laundry can be aired and maybe something can be worked out?
It is obvious to anyone reading these posts over the last couple of years that there are proponents out there in internet land who don’t agree from where we stand on unfair government hiring policies. You, Stella, Richard and Furtz are the outspoken of those. And so, what better way to rectify the situation HFTT, than to have an old fashioned town hall type meeting to hash things out? Wouldn’t you agree? And in that way, at the very least, we don’t spend the rest of our lives bickering, bitching and whining to one another through time immortal?
The whole situation to me is reminiscient of the original Star Trek series, “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield” where two aliens battle each other due to irreconcilable differences. There is no end.
Furtz October 2, 2013 at 7:00 pm
@ Cory. Still anxiously waiting for your next angst ridden letter. Is it writers block that’s holding you back, or are you just cruising the roads looking for more offensive flags and such to whine about?
And really, Furtz, are you proud to rile me up once again with your above statement?
As I know you’re getting on in years, I imagine that in your current golden years you are striving to find meaning before the inevitable sunset of your life.
Milestones reached, Rites of Passage, children reared and grandkids on the knee sort of thing…
Perhaps your looking back at both the good and bad times you’ve enjoyed and learned something of the no doubt hardships I’m sure you’ve endured.
I once heard that wise men really do have regrets and only youth play folly with the notion that they want to live life having no regrets at all only to realize later on that it really isn’t possible to do so……
And so I ask of you why waste your time as well as my time berating me with such above talk, knowing full well it will probably raise my already high blood pressure?
I cherish the notion of respecting my elders but you sir are making it rather difficult………………
Take your grandkids out to the park; won’t you 😉
C.
Highlander October 2, 2013 at 3:46 pm
“Yes it has after Meilleur admitted this ,3000 signatures were in front of provincial government …guess what the blame game went on and blame was put on the hospital”
THAT IS THE RIGHT ANSWER. THE HOSPITAL POLIICES ARE THE CAUSE. NOT THE LAW.
“BASICALLY THEY WIPED THEIR HANDS CLEAN HOPING THIS SENSITIVE ISSUE COULD BE BURIED,”
YOU the SOCIAL ACTIVIST wiped your hands CLEAN and took off in another DIRECTION.
You got onto some other BAND WAGAON and have never looked back. SO I’m TOLD.
THE ANSWER WAS CLEARLY AND HONESTLY GIVEN TO YOU. THE HOAPITAL IS TO BLAME AND THE HOSPITAL HOLDS THE POWER TO FIX IT.
Highlander October 2, 2013 at 3:46 pm
HftT wrote; “The Laws in Quebec exist and serve as corrective and preventive measure from historical facts.
“So by this statement you agree those Quebec laws -that directly infringe on human rights such as bill14 and charter of values is OK TO SERVE CORRECTIVE AND PREVENTIVE MEASURES……you really are of the pure laine mentality and ethnocentric.”
BILL 14 does not exist and the CHATER of Values is a document.
INTENT IS NOT LAW. But then again you know that. You’ve been proven wrong so many times that there is no way to award you any CREDIBILITY for your faulty, lengthy dissertations.
@Hungry for the Truth…. RE: PST on October 2, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Highlander October 2, 2013 at 3:46 pm
“So how does Quebec’s historical facts answer that question ,well Ontario is historically English so why have bilingual anything ?”
HFTT (AKA:Lives for lies) replied, “”BEACAUSE IT”S THE LAW. ”
Yeah right !! And even though it’s a BAD LAW your arrogant stance shines right through hfft. Keep it up because you know what? Laws — CAN BE BAD — and laws can be set up to favor one group or the other AND THAT DOES NOT make them right and there are times when defiance SHOULD BE brought to bear by the majority and laws SHOULD BE CHANGED or removed.
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hftt wrote, “But in CANADA part of Citizenship is obedience and respect to the LAWS of the LAND.
Yeah i suppose that back when the law of the land in the U.S.A proclaimed that it was OK to treat non whites differently and segregate them etc you would be one of those standing with your fist in the air saying, “we must obey the law.” “OBEDIENCE and respect” no matter what and no matter how wrong it is eh hungry? Yeah, that’s what i figured.
That sure tells us all a lot about your character. Of course, it is NOT a huge surprise considering what you have shown all of us about your character up to now.
And just so ya know. There are SOME good, decent French Canadians (Jean Samson & Co) who recognize that what the xenophobic French powers that be (the pq’ists) are doing to the English and anything “Canadian” in the province, is WRONG…
Here is an example
http://youtu.be/LWkmhhdl268?t=29s
AND… What do they get for going against “their own” and bringing to light the injustices that are carried out by the French powers that be?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-qBXNIm7yg&hd=1
Yup, yet further proof of how insecure and petty your clan actually are, those French zealots actually attack one of their own, his Canadian flag and his property.
NICE !!!
I have a strong feeling you view Jean as a traitor also.
And on that note i leave you with this thought. I wish you a “here’s to the good decent French people who understand that you cannot put down and diminish one culture in the name of “trying” to save your own (especially by hiding behind BAD LAWS)” type of day eh 🙂
OC Transpo is not federal. Because they travel across the border to Quebec, there are some federal guidelines.
Hospitals in Ontario are not Federal, except the one attached to the Montfort for military.
Like federal, where we see Coordinators assigned to promote French in the Federal Identity Program, Ontario has French language services coordinators to greatly promote French with each ministry. It nears 3 million dollars a year just in Ontario for them, that would be what, 40 nurses?
http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?id=12314§ion=text#secB.4
We really need to stop overly promoting this bilingual stuff, there are not enough bilingual people in Canada for this. We really need to see some politicians with guts to address the problems as well before it tears us all apart even more.
HFTT, yes each of the 42,980 people in Ontario who only have knowledge of French should have services, as do the few “bilingual” who need assistance.(10,984,360 who only speak English, 298,920 who do not speak either Eng. or Fr.) http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/dp-pd/hlt-fst/lang/Pages/highlight.cfm?TabID=1&Lang=E&Asc=1&OrderBy=1&View=1&Age=1&tableID=402&queryID=3&PRCode=35
Just because there has been one law after another, does not mean it is sensible or helping all Canadians like government should do.
.Hungry for the Truth….
September 21, 2013 at 3:44 pm
highlander September 21, 2013 at 3:17 pm
“I do not blame the French people for our language apartheid but the governments for setting up the conditions for it to thrive.”
You should run for politics. The French people are represented by their FRENCH government. It’s kind of hard of not blaming one without the other.
The French people =The French Government. = The same.
Why is hungry allowed to post such drivel without backing it up?
Funny, I don’t think anyone else would be permitted to make such a blanket statement without being totally chastised and belittled. Why is it that hungry thinks it’s okay?
Just another perk he won’t give up or concede is wrong?
Which drivel Bella? There’s a whole lot of drivel going back and forth 🙂
Highlander October 3, 2013 at 7:22 am
HftT wrote; QUEBEC REQUIRES FRENCH ….ONTARIO REQUIRES ENGLISH….WHERE IS THE DIFFERENCE?
“There is a big difference in that Ontario requires (mandates )most of the jobs(65%) to be bilingual ,Quebec does not require this !”
AND IT DOES SO NOT BECAUSE OF THE FSLA. IT DOES SO BECAUSE OF THE FAULTY MEASUREMENT. THAT YOU CLAIM IS CORRECT BASED ON STATISTICAL DATA FROM STATS CAN. You have numerous times posted that this is the only fair way to achieve REPRESENTATION BY POPULATION. It is the use of this data that creates this unbalanced, unrealistic and unfair result.
AS USUAL INACCURACIES AND FALSE STATEMENTS.
QUEBEC REQUIRES EXACTLY THE SAME…..!
THIS IS THE OFFICIAL LAW. That requires BILINGUAL Staff.
Official Canada Languages ACT.
35.(1) Every federal institution has the duty to ensure that
(a) within the National Capital Region and in any part or region of Canada, or in any place outside Canada, that is prescribed, work environments of the institution are conducive to the effective use of both official languages and accommodate the use of either official language by its officers and employees; and
(b) in all parts or regions of Canada not prescribed for the purpose of paragraph (a), the treatment of both official languages in the work environments of the institution in parts or regions of Canada where one official language predominates is reasonably comparable to the treatment of both official languages in the work environments of the institution in parts or regions of Canada where the other official language predominates.
Regions of Canada prescribed under subsection 35(2) of the Official Languages Act
The following is a copy of the list of regions of Canada set out in the Treasury Board and Public Service Commission entitled “Official Languages in the Public Service of Canada: A Statement of Policies”.
The Official Bilingual regions of Montreal
The county of Deux-Montagnes including:
Cities
Deux-Montagnes, Ste-Scholastique
Towns
Oka-sur-le-Lac, St-Eustache.
The county of Île-de-Montréal and Île-Jésus including:
Cities
Beaconsfield, Côte-St-Luc, Dorval, Lachine, LaSalle, Laval, Montréal, Montréal-Nord, Outremont, Pierrefonds, Pointe-aux-Trembles, Pointe-Claire, St-Laurent, St-Léonard, Verdun, Westmount.
Towns
Anjou, Baie-d’Urfé, Dollard-des-Ormeaux, Hampstead, Île-Dorval, Kirkland, Montréal-Est, Montréal-Ouest, Mont-Royal, Roxboro, Ste-Anne-de-Bellevue, Ste-Geneviève,St-Pierre.
The county of La Prairie including:
Towns
Brossard, Candiac, Delson, La Prairie.
The county of Vaudreuil including:
Towns
Dorion, Hudson, Île-Cadieux, Île-Perrot, Pincourt, Pointe-du-Moulin, Rigaud, Vaudreuil.
I have not lost my sense of reasoning. You on the other hand have become oblivious to the LAWS.
Touché Admin! LOL
Seriously though, hungry would have an absolute conniption fit if anyone on the opposite side made such a statement as he did.
“The French people are represented by their FRENCH government. It’s kind of hard of not blaming one without the other.
The French people =The French Government. = The same.”
As it is, if anyone posts anything that is against anything he believes, he resorts to all kinds of belittling bravado, and yelling at posters like he is the king of all information.
And yet there it is. Why does he not answer for it? Why does he not say he made a mistake? Go a little carried away. Went a little too far. Believes it with his whole entire heart. His ignoring me is childish, cowardly, and a little dickish.
Maybe someone else should ask him the question. I can’t be the only one who wants an answer.
Eric October 3, 2013 at 1:52 pm
The POINT is MOTHER TONGUE.
STATISTICAL DATA…….There is as many boards as there is CANADIANS.
Try this one is says the opposite of yours.
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/demo11b-eng.htm
I Speak ENGLISH fluently. But I was educated in my parents mother tongue. As a CANADIAN should I not have the Right granted to me through the Charter of Rights and Freedoms to preserve and use my mother tongue ABILITIES?
If I was blind and had to learn BRAIL. Would it be justified to remove services for the Blind because the majority is not blind. And these services ultimately costing ALL Canadians.
The same could be said if I was deaf. If I had to learn SIGN Language. Would it be justified to remove all services to the Hearing impaired because the Majority is not deaf .
Any one that was educated in their mother tongue whether the learnt one two three or un deux trois should have the right to further use their LANGUAGE. No one is looking to assimulate ENGLISH to CHINEESE why FORCE FRENCH TO ENGLISH?
“Just because there has been one law after another, does not mean it is sensible or helping all Canadians like government should do.”
Laws are not up for interpretation. Building an argument on the dislike or disagreement of the FAIRNESS of a law does not ABOLISH IT’S EXISTANCE.
It still has to be respected by ALL CANADIANS.
Highlander October 3, 2013 at 6:55 am
“Well hungry Canadian federal monies + Canadian Fuel Credit pay for Montreal’s metro system -is there mandatory bilingual there?”
Again the usual distorted twisted isolated MEDIA argument. I have travelled in Montreal for many years utilizing PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. I have never had a problem being served in ENGLISH.
All PUBLIC information are in BOTH official Languages. Like every Institution some EMPLOYEES can have a bad day. And when such a day happens it’s a GLORIOUS day for RADICALIST that have an AGENDA.
“SO IS THERE MANDATORY BILINGUAL IN QUEBEC HOSPITALS?”
YES…..YES. A FACT.
The Regional Programme of Access to Services in the English Language
Québec’s Health and Social Services Act requires all health institutions to provide their services in French.
However, because some people are more comfortable expressing their needs in English and wish to receive services in that language, the Act contains provisions making a range of health and social services available in English.
As a result, each health and social service agency must develop a programme of access to services in the English language specifying the obligations of institutions to make services available in English, in accordance with their human, material and financial resources and the relevant legislation (Sections 1, 4 and 29.1 of the Charter of the French Language).
In Montréal, 49 institutions are covered by this programme and must offer some or all of their services in English.
A FACT. NOT A YOU TUBE EXCERPT……
Highlander October 3, 2013 at 6:55 am
“ARE QUEBEC POLICE MANDATED TO BE BILINGUAL TO PROVIDE THE MINORITY LANGUAGE?”
YES….YES. A FACT….
By-law respecting standards of the Sûreté du Québec and municipal police forces for the hiring of constables and cadets.
Police Act
(R.S.Q., c. P-13)
2. To become a constable or a cadet of the Police Force or of a municipal police force, a person must:
(d) speak, read and write either French or English and have working knowledge of the other language;
“WHY NOT ?IF ITS EXPECTED THAT BILINGUAL SERVICES BE PROVIDED OUTSIDE OF QUEBEC SO WHY NOT WITHIN QUEBEC?”
They are BILINGUAL!
IT IS YOU AND YOURS that say otherwise. Another time where you post personal opinions and not FACTUAL REALITIES.
The excerpt from the POLICE ACT is FACT not OPINION or YOU TUBE.
@ Cory. You make it just too easy. You squawk and moan and file a complaint because you were spoken to in French at the Timmins post office. You got bent out of shape because you spotted a flag at the turnoff to Casselman. From what I understand, you are employed in the career of your choosing in an absolutely gorgeous part of Ontario, that happens to be in a peaceful country that is the envy of the world. And all you can do is b!tch and whine about having to share your paradise with Franco Canadians. When you moved to Timmins, did you not know that there were lots of French people there? If you ever decide to move to Italy, please be warned that most people there speak Italian.
As I said, You make it just too easy.
and I am banned gimmie a break
Highlander October 3, 2013 at 6:20 am
“Hungry not for the truth you still haven’t addressed bella’s question.”
BELLA???? DID SHE ASK A QUESTION?
“So being that Madam Mielleur had stated that Cornwall Community Hospital had went beyond the provincial requirement for FLSA services and its implementations ,why has the government chosen not to address this ?”.
Because it is not within the Governments jurisdiction of the LAW to correct the problem. No where does the FLSA set requirement of BILINGUAL STAFF. The Unfair Hiring Policies that CCH drafted REQUIRES 100% BILINGUALISM NOT THE FLSA.
“The hospitals remain a government entity are they not to follow provincial policy and procedure and when this is not being done is there no accountability for the government to address this?”
The compliance requirement have been meet. The board of Directors along with the LHIN is responsible for this over-exaggerated unrealistic NEED based on a faulted formula.
“There remains no practical approach to implementing the FLSA and no measured outcome for this implementation.”
Not so! The suggested implementation is done with FAULTY data supplied by Stats Canada for the 25 Designated Region of FLSA. Many are like you. They have no clue that this STATS CANADA formula is inadequate to achieve REPRESENTATION by POPULATION.
“Governments sets policies and those governments should be accountable to their entities as well as the implementation .
SHOULD, SHOULD, SHOULD does not solve a solvable problem.
ALL the Bitchin and complaining will not make it go away.
Highlander October 3, 2013 at 6:20 am
“All this tells me that Government holds itself not accountable to how an government entity (Cornwall Community Hospital ) implements the LFSA policy even when they have not provided the framework or measured outcome!”
They have supplied IMPLEMENTATION FORMULA. The formula is the ROOT of the PROBLEM.
HOW MANY FRANCOPHONES LIVE IN A REGION. THAT IS THE FORMULA.
You have posted and argued many times that this is the right FORMULA that will achieve REPRESENTATION by POPULATION. MAYBE THEY SHARE THAT FAULTED BELIEF.
“Many wonder why they are so frustrated with the government ,this is a fine example of how government F**ks up everything.”
HOW WOULD YOU GO ABOUT CHANGING THIS?
NOW THAT WE AGREE THAT IT”S THE LOCAL AUTHORITY THAT’S RESPONSIBLE.
Complaining about it will never change it as you know. What concrete steps can be taken to correct this LOCAL ISSUE?
Hello Furtz:
The following was directed at HFTT today. But I think it applies to you as well. I direct this to you after reading your response to me about the ‘paradise’ I live in.
“Although I don’t like you and probably never will – please by all means understand this if ever I teach you nothing else. Much like your compatriots, I don’t like you not because you are French – but I dislike you because of the slight, albeit snake-in-the-grass approach you take with those with whom you say you ‘debate’ with. And would you know, this type of lack-of-understanding on your and your compatriots’ behalf is really the thing that concerns me. It isn’t the name calling or the other shit that accompanies two or more parties when they disagree. No, what really bothers me are the types of beliefs that Stella has espoused in the past when she purports to think that I hate French people. Like I said before, the only French people I hate are those who come on here and publicly support unfair laws that favour their ethnicity to the detriment of all other Canadians due to their ethnicity alone – such as, the language in which they communicate.”
It says it all about how I feel about you, Furtz.
If I was blind and had to learn BRAIL. Would it be justified to remove services for the Blind because the majority is not blind. And these services ultimately costing ALL Canadians.
The same could be said if I was deaf. If I had to learn SIGN Language. Would it be justified to remove all services to the Hearing impaired because the Majority is not deaf .
Comparisons (or attempted comparisons like these are absurd Mr. Hungry (lives for lies)
AND IF WE WERE to “try” to compare these things let’s say to the blind example then what the French are saying is that since we (the minority) are blind then everyone else must “pretend” to be blind and learn to read braille to satisfy us while they walk around with a blindfold on in order to “accommodate US and what we want.
No one wants to “remove” services for the French. THAT IS NOT THE POINT HERE. The point is the French are saying if you come to Quebec YOU MUST SPEAK FRENCH as we don’t wish to be accommodating to anyone other than French but when we travel to EVERY OTHER part of Canada we (at the same moment) have decided we want to be able to be accommodated in French despite the fact that this is an enormous task that involves FORCING the majority do bend to our needs.
Furtz October 2, 2013 at 7:00 pm
“Why are you arguing with these six {MODERATED}.?
Because I’m an ardent enthusiast who cannot resist an opportunity to indulge a pack of criticizing, condemning and complaining{MODERATED}.
“What you are doing is a variation of “feeding the {MODERATED}”.
I hear ya Furtz, but you know as they say, in order not to be a {MODERATED} an optimist must know how
sad a place the world can be. And these {MODRERATED} paint a pretty bleak dehumanized, shamanistic view of OUR CANADA.
Thank-You for the information on the SALE of aluminium foil. I have gotten myself
several rolls. One can never be to cautious when dealing with such toxic verbal venomous waste.
Now Peter/gqo or whatever you’re calling yourself, you’re back; but on a very short leash. If you can’t moderated yourself into the dark you go again.
ON October 3, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Hungry for the Truth (AKA: Lives for lies) wrote, “
“I have travelled in Montreal for many years utilizing PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. I have never had a problem being served in ENGLISH.”
Hey Lives for lies… Just because you “have traveled and in Montreal for many years and — never — had any problems” doesn’t mean they are not happening.
Oddly though, you take any assertions from people who are having “problems” –
(which are actually more akin to MAJOR demeaning and discriminatory issues in their own country from people who are supposed to be Canadian citizens in the service industry)
— and dismiss them as if they are NOT happening AT ALL.
Beyond that you show ZERO empathy or sympathy for those who are experiencing these issues as if it is NOT happening at all, which frankly speaking, there are so many documented incidents that it’s quite difficult to believe that YOU believe these are all ONLY made up YouTube videos. Gimme a break.
In this formal clip of a
http://youtu.be/JjEbOizpWUY?t=2m12s
the woman talking is from the health care field and she says, these are REAL SITUATIONS that have been brought to me MANY TIMES
And really, all your talk about “this is fact” and not comparable to youTube videos does NOT make your argument valid or give it justice because it can be so called “FACT” (on paper) that people are not allowed to do U turns in a certain area but there also may be a YouTube video showing dozens of drivers doing U turns in that particular area daily.
So, just because it says somewhere that Quebec’s hospital personnel is supposed to be able to speak English that DOES NOT MEAN — IT IS fact – that they can or do in practice.
As a matter of fact, the YouTube videos are much more of a REAL source when it comes to what’s ACTUALLY happening “in practice” in many cases.
And if you don’t think so then rather than refute them broadly try it with the one posted in this post specifically…
But i would still like to wish you a “fact filled day” eh 🙂
Hungry for the Truth….
October 3, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Highlander October 3, 2013 at 6:20 am
“Hungry not for the truth you still haven’t addressed bella’s question.”
BELLA???? DID SHE ASK A QUESTION?
I’M NOT SURE WHY YOU HAVE TO YELL, BUT OK I’LL PLAY.
(hint the sentences with the question marks are the questions.)
bella
September 21, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Hungry for the Truth….
September 21, 2013 at 3:44 pm
The French people =The French Government. = The same.
Your equation would lead one to believe that this new fancy Quebec Values Charter that is being put forth by the Quebec government, has the support of all French people. WOULD YOU MAKE SO BOLD A STATEMENT??? OR DOES THE EQUATION ONLY WORK IN CERTAIN INSTANCES AS NEEDED??
~
Oh wait, was that sarcasm? Oh. My mistake. My post stands as is. I await your response with giddy enthusiasm.
Cory Cameron October 3, 2013 at 8:15 am
“Well, if I may be so bold as to ascertain why would I have asked the question in the first place of you then?”
You may be so bold. Your last enquiry was not even 20 days ago. Excuse me if I DOUBT your motives and sincerity. And my STRATEGY and APPROACH is posted all over since my first post of JULY 07,2013
IT’S NOT A NATIONAL TRADE SECRET…..REVERSAL CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED LOCALLY. MY APPROACH IS POSTED SEVERAL TIMES.
“Are you not intelligent enough to realize this back and forth dialogue is getting nobody anywhere?”
Hungry for the Truth…. September 20, 2013 at 2:33 pm
What other word would you use to describe this endless show of discord? More You Tube bloops than a 30 minutes CTV News cast. An endless barrage of comments that has no direction. Opinions and views that on the grand scheme of things has no objective or relevance.
I believe that I am intelligent enough and agree. Not all agree that this is completely senseless.
“Do you honestly think I have the time or the desire to continually chastize you the way you and the likes of others do to each other on this forum?”
You may not have the time but You have made the TIME to do so. more than once.
Cory Cameron October 3, 2013 at 8:15 am
“And so I ask myself the following at times: Why do you do what you do?”
BECAUSE I do not share the same view about certain issues. And I will stand and defend them with as much zeal and determination as those that stand in favour of their VIEWS.
“Is it some sick perversion you and your kin get your fill of by making us English folk angry at the current unfair government policies by getting us all riled up?”
A very one sided VIEW of things I would say. WHY ? Would your comments not anger anyone?
Are you pretentious enough to believe ALL SHARE YOUR VIEWS, and that all are in agreement with you and yours? Should no disagreeing views be allowed in this forum in order not to anger and rile you up?
Cory Cameron October 3, 2013 at 8:15 am
IF YOU WANT OXYMORN AND HATE WRITTING READ THIS!!!!
“I am trying to do something constructive; and I am sincerely yes sir, a second time now, requesting what kind of advances you have made up to now with the CCH administration.”
“Although I don’t like you and probably never will – please by all means understand this if ever I teach you nothing else. Much like your compatriots, I don’t like you not because you are French – but I dislike you because of the slight, albeit snake-in-the-grass approach you take with those with whom you say you ‘debate’ with.”
“It isn’t the name calling or the other shit that accompanies two or more parties when they disagree. No, what really bothers me are the types of beliefs that Stella has espoused in the past when she purports to think that I hate French people. Like I said before, the only French people I hate are those who come on here and publicly support unfair laws that favour their ethnicity to the detriment of all other Canadians due to their ethnicity alone – such as, the language in which they communicate”
HE DOES’NT HATE ME BECAUSE I’M FRENCH BUT HATES FRENCH PEOPLE THAT DO NOT SHARE HIS VIEWS AND POST THEM IN THIS FORUM????
English majority loosing their rights in Canada,
one township at a time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbplA_smuFo&hd=1
@ Cory. If your concern is with unfair hiring practices, which is legitimate, why do you get sidetracked into moaning and whining about being spoken to in French, or seeing a Franco flag in Francophone communities. It only detracts from the cause of rectifying the hiring unfairness, and makes you come across as perpetual whiner about all things French. Do you intend to remain miserable as long as there are Francophones residing in Ontario?
BTW, it’s good that you don’t dislike me because I’m French. As far as I know, I have no French ancestors, and I can barely speak the language.
edudyorlik October 4, 2013 at 10:41 am
“English majority loosing their rights in Canada,
one township at a time.”
The only thing that was lost in this TOWNSHIP is $240,000
that has yet to be paid back from Howard Galganov/Serge Brisson.
English / French signs does not = a loss for any one, it = fair representation.
No one said to REMOVE English from the signs.
Cory Cameron October 3, 2013 at 8:15 am
“And would you know, this type of lack-of-understanding on your and your compatriots’ behalf is really the thing that concerns me.”
I’m not showing a lack of UNDERSTANDING. I am SHOWING DISAGREEMENT. I DO NOT AGREE. But I do understand.
“Would you know that I think an excellent way to rid Canada of it’s unfair laws would be to have an international tribunal look into them? I mean if the Francophone and Non-Francophones disagree as to what’s fair and equitable in the approach to laws governing language and hiring in this country, why not have a third party made up of international legal experts look into the matter? In this way, there would be no bias whatsoever.”
Set it up. Only thing, the STAFF will probably have to be BILINGUAL!
Cory Cameron October 3, 2013 at 8:15 am
“Hence, not seeing the likes of me posting on this forum for a few weeks now.”
FOR A FEW WEEKS??????
YOUR LAST POST WAS September 23, 2013 at 4:51 pm
THAT IS 09 days not a FEW WEEKS.
I know I for one was busy with other things and did not post for
7days.
“You know, much like the time I extended to you the olive branch in working out a formula to bring to the CCH Board of Directors detailing a more fair hiring critera. However, you didn’t take me up on that offer now, did you?”
NO…NO…. I did not. I gave you my valid reason.
And after reading this affirmation of how you dislike me and your further confirmation that you only HATE French people that come on here and publicly support unfair laws that favour their ethnicity to the detriment of all other Canadians due to their ethnicity alone – such as, the language in which they communicate.
I am FURTHER CONVINCED that I made the RIGHT CHOICE, I am one of those FRENCH PEPOLE that you HATE.
And this hated French has JUST AS MUCH RIGHT TO SPEAK MY LANGUAGE and to have my RIGHTS RESPECTED any where in CANADA. I hope that it doesn’t ager you to much?
So hungry why don’t you manup rather then slither away from Bella’s Question.
Of course you wont manup you been proven wrong so many times, but your petty pride wont let you admit fault.
Oh that poor inflated ego of yours so tragic ,but what can others expect from one who believe’s in their own superiority complex.
Have you changed the hospital hiring process as you claimed you would…..we will all be waiting ….being it took over 2 weeks to get a simple answer on language services ….I got the answer in 30min but was the two weeks because of gross Incompetence in research or was it the answer you didn’t want to hear ….not so hungry for the truth?
You have yet to only prove to be a windbag but then that would be Insulting bagpipes.
With all of this ,I have still yet read a sour note directed to your separatist brethren from you and your separatist friends on here.
Even my French friends have said that if you dont speak against the separatist that you agree with them.
Keep drinking that separatist cool-aid it dulls your logic and reasoning skills and with enough of it you become RACIST
And ethnocentric…..oh that right it’s too late for you.
DRINK ,DRINK, DRINK AWAY YOUR REASONING.
With all due respect
@ Cory, edudyorlik, ,highlander, Bella, Eric et al.
The posts that I responded to eons ago addressed hftt’s nonsense.
a) Bill 101 directly restricted English education in quebec.
b) The English economically dominance of quebec, was a DIRECT RESULT OF THE POLICIES ENACTED BY GODBOUT, TACHEREAU AND DUPLESSIS, as well as the Catholic church
c) The quebec of 1774, gave back all of what the French had lost in 1755-56
d) the constitutional act cemented that in 1791
I have provided primary and secondary sources to support these facts.:
J.M. S. careless: the French Canadians VOL 1 and VOl 11
Lionel L’abbe Groulx , the second nationalist from quebec, the first being Honore Mercier. Premier of quebec in 1888
Both Canadian prime Ministers MacKenzie King and R.B.Bennett, offered to give grants to quebec to industrialize and educate the quebecois, but these monies and offers were rejected outright by the quebec premiers listed above.
What to hell is hftt talking about when he says that bill 101 was a response to quebec’s social injustices of the past.
NONSENSE. If anything quebec received tons of support from English Canda that was flatly rejected and resulted in the promotion , economic control of quebec , by the English, because it was what the French under their P.M.’S wanted.
The quiet revolution, the advent of the P.Q. and no other nationalist, separatist, ever, ever acknowledges these facts that can be supported.
By support, I do NOT MEAN wikapedia, an internet site or school board site.
I mean hard core primary and secondary sources from a variety of people in order to gain a consensus: that of reputable and undeniable sources .
hftt can quote and reiterate what any high school student can find. What this does is nothing to support anything he has said.
it for these reasons, the fact that reason and fact are denied, over and over again, for some 400 years that I believe we should say adieu to quebec.
Believe me, I am not the only one that wants this, and the numbers are growing in support of a nine province Canada, it is ONLY A MATTER OF TIME.
@yorlik…….great news!!!! It is nice to hear that things are being done to maintain both official languages in this country.
@ gqo/peter or whoever… That’s quite the history lesson. I had the misfortune of studying Canadian history at an English/Protestant high school in Montreal in the early sixties. You seem to be reading the same textbook.