Discrimination
Discrimination. The big D word. A word most readily used by many though rarely meritable in its’ use. In our contemporary world of political correctness, discrimination is one of many ‘buzzwords’ that forms a politicians’ lexicon of verbal spaghetti. Political figures love to throw around the idea that one group of people are often discriminated against by another group of people or even by a nation’s laws. It is a fantastic vote grabber for those most instrumental in the art of politics. The truth however, in this day and age, is that rarely are modern-day laws discriminatory in their practice, right?
Wrong!
Have you ever heard of the concepts of affirmative action or what we like to call employment equity in Canada? These are concepts that were instituted into Canadian law to help level the playing field for those who have traditionally suffered the ill consequences of discrimination; especially in the job market. Under the Constitution Act of 1982, containing the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms; equity legislation is detailed therein. The Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) is enforced by the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) and it is this commission that deals with whether or not discrimination has taken place in the workplace.
The following details the issue of Prohibited Grounds of Discrimination in Canada: (Belcourt, Bohlander, & Snell, Managing Human Resources, 5th Canadian Edition, 2008).
Race or colour
Religion
Physical or mental disability
Dependence on alcohol or drugs
Age
Sex
Marital status
Family status
Sexual orientation
National or ethnic origin (including linguistic background)
Ancestry of place of origin
Language
Social Condition or origin
Source of income
Assignment, attachment or seizure of pay
Based on association
Political belief
Record of criminal conviction
Pardoned conviction
While appearing like a fair and equitable approach to the issue of fairness in hiring practices; employment equity actually creates the framework for unfair hiring criteria – whereby the best qualified person may be the most successful candidate but may not be chosen due to government imposed employment equity legislation. Case-in-point; consider the possibility of two highly qualified candidates applying for the same government or private sector industry, job. One candidate, a qualified counselor who, as a child, was raised in the atmosphere of a same sex marriage; understands the very real social challenges faced by his/her same sex parents. One could surmise that not only is this individual qualified as a counselor; but has the added experience of being raised in a non-traditional family setting, outside of the traditional nuclear family. The other candidate is also a highly qualified counselor but is a homosexual. By the very definition and reasoning for employment equity, chances are that the successful candidate will be chosen due to his/her sexuality and not necessarily for his/her skills.
Another scenario if you will. Imagine an Aboriginal couple fostering a non-Aboriginal child who is raised and immersed in Aboriginal culture. He/she has a university/college education associated with his/her chosen field; speaks an Aboriginal language, is well-versed in the culture and customs associated with the First Nation and has all the credentials required of someone who could work for a government or non-government Aboriginal organization. The other candidate also has some or most of these qualifications but has one added qualification. Their ethnicity or race is of a First Nation. Once again, by the very definition and reasoning for employment equity, chances are that the successful candidate will be chosen due to his/her ethnicity or race and not necessarily for his/her skills.
Sound like rare or improbable cases and scenarios to you? I can attest that they’re not. They’re increasingly happening everyday in Canada and Human Resources professionals have had to contend with the issue of unfair hiring criteria that these laws have created since at least 1995 with the Employment Equity Act.
If you think at this point that our Canadian employment laws are unfair and unjustified then I have even more bad news for you. Consider the above information I’ve provided about Employment Equity. Add to this the increasingly unfair bilingual language requirements as well and you can see where things are headed. A politically correct society where in the quest for fairness we’ve permitted a very unfair system to flourish unchallenged by the people themselves. We need to ask ourselves if Canada’s employment and language laws are really a reflection of what we encompass and value as a society or if our various levels of government are attempting through social engineering, to shape and mould the people’s consciousness to the system itself. In other words, do the people work for the system or should the system work for the people?
Ever heard of the concept of a ‘bona fide occupational qualification’? Believe it or not, this concept currently exists in Canada and it allows for discrimination in hiring! That’s right folks. You read that correctly. In the very ‘Act’, the Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) whose existence is to prohibit discriminatory hiring practices there exists government-sponsored discriminatory hiring! As Belcourt et al. reports (2008):
The act applies to all federal government departments and agencies, to Crown corporations, and to other businesses and industries under federal jurisdiction, such as banks, airlines, railway companies, and insurance and communications companies. For those areas not under federal jurisdiction, protection is available under provincial human rights laws. Provincial laws, although very similar to federal ones, do differ from province to province. Every province and territory has a human rights act (or code), and each has jurisdiction prohibiting discrimination in the workplace. The prohibited grounds of discrimination in employment include race, religion, sex, age, national or ethnic origin, physical handicap, and marital status…Employers are permitted to discriminate if employment preferences are based on a bona fide occupational qualifications (BFOQ) or BFOR (bona fide occupational requirement). A BFOQ is justified if the employer can establish necessity for business operations. In other words, differential treatment is not discrimination if there is a justifiable reason. (106)
This sounds an awful lot like Orwell’s, Animal Farm, where Commandment #7 which originally stated that:
“All animals are equal”
Was eventually changed to,
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”
Is this the kind of Canada we want to live and work in? Surely the ideology of an individual’s rights should trump group rights in all respects. Should it not? Otherwise, we need to ask ourselves if we truly live in a democracy where all citizens enjoy the same rights and privileges as all others. As of this writing, the majority of our citizenry cannot work for their civil service or hold the highest office of the land due to nothing more than a lack of knowledge of one of Canada’s minority languages.
Please keep in mind that,
“All Canadians are equal, but some Canadians are more equal than others”
Cory Cameron
Timmins, On
Sunday August 25, 2013
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Hungry for the Truth….
September 2, 2013 at 7:00 pm
“…..
About the issue of Hiring policies did you have something constructive to contribute?”
pffft as if I would waste my time on any discussion with you. Your track record prohibits me from trying to have any sort of grown up conversation with you. Why would I share my thoughts only to be chastised and belittled? My advice to you though is to keep yourself honest and try to remember what you say from day to day, because I’m not the only “reader” who’s watching your antics.
“As of Sept. 8, New Brunswick city’s bylaw officers have been cracking down on businesses erecting billboards and signs that don’t contain their messages in both French and English, with French listed first and English second, handing out about 80 tickets of around $100 each in the span of two months.”
FORCED to use BOTH French and English in a province that is 35% French and over 60% English which is within a country that —
(without using the skewed manufactured numbers of Quebec)
— is over 94% English.
In every corner of this land we can see the majority Anglophone numbers being FORCED to accept and promote the French language.
WHY? Why should the majority Anglophones be forced to accept and pay for the continued attempt to insure the survival of a language that is — AT BEST — a regional language?
The can only be ONE ANSWER. Because of the infiltration in the federal and provincial governments that was brought about my the initial laws and manipulation of our system by a politician who had this as his sole and ultimate goal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-v_m7h5kts&hd=1
Yes, Pierre Elliot Trudeau decided that he would use his power to subvert the natural normal balance of how a democracy really works with the majority being the ones to make the rules and decide how things would be run by manipulating things so that money and power was diverted to the French instead.
We are at a crossroads right now people. We MUST decide if what we want is a French Canada where EVERYONE MUST know French in order to get jobs and be productive or if we have had enough of this charade and will gather together in order to let our government know that we are fed up with dumping billions of our own tax dollars into what is tantamount the mechanisms which go towards the growth of groups that see to it that laws and regulations are put in place that will ultimately lead to our own demise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iGZE6zxoKQ&hd=1
Nope.
CANADA IS NOT “the land of the Free.”
It appears to be the ever growing “land of the French.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E_BgxHZVFI&hd=1
As long as business owners ANYWHERE in this land are legislated into what they can put on their signs…
While at the very same instant, we are being told that in one part of this great country it’s … https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r8OszZvdzyM/URPkKCj5caI/AAAAAAAAAa4/XvYI1o-359c/s250-no/Sign+-+Everything+in+French+only.jpg
WE ARE NOT FREE.
As long as bill 101 exists and the English language is second class in Quebec — a “province” which is INSIDE THE COUNTRY of Canada — …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui_XgfFceYc&hd=1
WE ARE NOT FREE.
As long as the supreme court refuses to hear arguments in a case that deals with issues that are TOTALLY unconstitutional based on the concept (section 1) that the French language takes precedence and must be protected AT ALL COSTS, even trumping the rights of the majority…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvyifj557p8&hd=1
WE ARE NOT FREE.
Take off the rosy colored glasses because as things stand right now, freedom has been re-defined.
It’s time for A divorce from Quebec.
The French refuse to learn English while all the English are being forced to learn French.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_MG8z_9P6Y&hd=1
YOU DO THE MATH… Where does that lead us?
What kind of Canada do we end up in?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChV93gK3o8Q&hd=1
@English Lassie RE: POST on September 2, 2013 at 7:26 pm
English Lassie wrote, “As expected, no apology from the instigaters on this thread.”
Yup. Hear ya.
TYPICAL EH? Whenever they are faced with something they cannot refute “the gang of agitators” goes silent on that issue and jumps onto something else which better suites their “agitating” agenda.
edudyorlik September 3, 2013 at 1:36 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
“As of Sept. 8, New Brunswick city’s bylaw officers have been cracking down on businesses erecting billboards and signs that don’t contain their messages in both French and English, with French listed first and English second, handing out about 80 tickets of around $100 each in the span of two months.”
FORCED to use BOTH French and English in a province that is over 60% English and ONLY 35% French which is also a province that is within a country that –
(without using the skewed manufactured numbers of Quebec)
– is over 94% English.
In every corner of this land we can see the majority Anglophone numbers being FORCED to accept and promote the minority French language.
WHY? Why should the majority Anglophones be forced to accept and pay for the continued attempt to insure the survival of a language that is — AT BEST — a regional language?
The can only be ONE ANSWER. Because of the infiltration in the federal and provincial governments that was brought about my the initial laws and manipulation of our system by a politician who had this as his sole and ultimate goal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-v_m7h5kts&hd=1
Yes, Pierre Elliot Trudeau decided that he would use his power to subvert the natural normal balance of how a democracy really works with the majority being the ones to make the rules and decide how things would be run by manipulating things so that money and power was diverted to the French minority instead.
We are at a crossroads right now people. We MUST decide if what we want is a French Canada where EVERYONE MUST know French in order to get jobs and be productive or if we have had enough of this charade and will gather together in order to let our government know that we are fed up with dumping billions of our own tax dollars into what is tantamount the mechanisms which go towards the growth of groups that see to it that laws and regulations are put in place that will ultimately lead to our own demise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iGZE6zxoKQ&hd=1
Nope.
CANADA IS NOT “the land of the Free.”
It appears to be the ever growing “land of the French.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E_BgxHZVFI&hd=1
As long as business owners ANYWHERE in this land are legislated into what they can put on their signs…
While at the very same instant, we are being told that in one “province” of this great country it’s … https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r8OszZvdzyM/URPkKCj5caI/AAAAAAAAAa4/XvYI1o-359c/s250-no/Sign+-+Everything+in+French+only.jpg
WE ARE NOT FREE.
As long as bill 101 exists and the English language is second class in Quebec — a “province” which is INSIDE THE COUNTRY of Canada — …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui_XgfFceYc&hd=1
WE ARE NOT FREE.
As long as the supreme court refuses to hear arguments in a case that deals with issues that are TOTALLY unconstitutional based on the concept (section 1) that the French language takes precedence and must be protected AT ALL COSTS, even trumping the rights of the majority…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvyifj557p8&hd=1
WE ARE NOT FREE.
Take off the rosy colored glasses because as things stand right now, freedom has been re-defined.
It’s time for A divorce from Quebec.
The French refuse to learn English while all the English are being forced to learn French by non other than the French teachers themselves who throw in their own historical account of Canada and it’s origins etc
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_MG8z_9P6Y&hd=1
YOU DO THE MATH… Where does that lead us?
What kind of Canada do we end up in?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChV93gK3o8Q&hd=1
y for the Truth….
September 2, 2013 at 3:01 pm
admin September 2, 2013 at 2:36 pm
“WHAT! QUEBEC legislation in fact states it does not want institutionalized bilingualism !”
“I do not agree with the accuracy of this statement. There are many things that are and have been legislated BILINGUAL in Quebec and has become institutionalized.”
YOU MAY NOT AGREE HUNGRY BUT THESE 2 PARAGRAPHS ARE TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM BILL 14 AND THE REFERENCE #’S ARE THERE FOR YOU TO VERIFY!
QUEBEC NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL14
88.1.1. #32 AMENDMENT LAST PARAGRAPH
“THE LANGUAGE POLICY SHALL SPECIFY THE CONDITIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH A LANGUAGE OTHER THAN FRENCH MAY BE USED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS ACT,WHILE EMPHASIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF SETTING AN EXAMPLE AND OF PREVENTING WIDESPREAD INSTITUTIONAL BILINGUALISM”
DIVISION VI 156.4 LAST PARAGRAPH
“THE LANGUAGE POLICY SHALL SPECIFY THE CONDITIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH A LANGUAGE OTHER THAN FRENCH MAY BE USED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS ACT,WHILE EMPHASIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF SETTING AN EXAMPLE AND OF PREVENTING WIDESPREAD INSTITUTIONAL BILINGUALISM”
HUNGRY WROTE
“Despite my claim that the above statement is inaccurate Bilingualism is alive and well in Quebec.”
IT IS YOU WRONG YET AGAIN ,THIS IS BECOMING HABITUAL FOR YOU HUNGRY.
YOU HAVE LOST YOUR CREDIBILITY AFTER THAT DISCRIMINATORY ,BIASED RANT OF YOU BLAMING ALL THE FRENCH WOES ON THE ENGLISH . (Hungry for the Truth….August 30, 2013 at 2:24 pm)
YOUR VIEW ON HISTORY IS SKEWED BY YOUR SEPARATIST BRETHREN AND THEIR PROPAGANDA , YOU WERE PROVEN YET WRONG AGAIN ON YOUR FACTS BY SEAN
sean August 31, 2013 at 5:47 am-SEAN PROVED THAT HE HAS A BETTER GRASP ON Quebec HISTORY THEN YOU!
THEN YET AGAIN PROVEN WRONG BY SEAN ON THE QUEBEC EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM -YOU AS ALWAYS THINK AND I REPEAT (YOU THINK YOU KNOW IT ALL) AND SEAN (AN EDUCATOR) EDUCATED YOU IN THE REALITY .
AND PROVED YOU WRONG …….YET AGAIN .
sean
August 31, 2013 at 11:24 am
I STILL CANNOT BELIEVE THAT RANT ON August 30, 2013 at 2:24 pm.
YOU CERTAINLY HAVE ISSUES WITH ENGLISH PEOPLE AND THAT WAS EVIDENT IN THAT RANT .
SO AS TO SAY THAT YOU REMAIN NOT BIASED ,i WOULD THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE CENSORED YOURSELF,BUT THEN AGAIN YOUR TRUE COLORS CAME OUT.
I AND OUR GROUP LANGUAGE FAIRNESS FOR ALL WOULD HAVE BEEN APPALLED IF ANY OF OUR MEMBERS SAID SUCH A THING …..WE KNOW OUR NEMESIS IT THE GOVERNMENT AND ITS UNFAIR POLICIES.
ONCE AGAIN YOU HAVE NOT ONLY LOST CREDIBILITY BUT INTEGRITY WITH THAT RANT :
YOU CANNOT BLAME AN ENTIRE PEOPLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF THE FEW.
Highlander wrote,
“NOT ALRIGHT TO ASSIMILATE FRENCH
BUT ITS ALRIGHT TO ASSIMILATE ENGLISH….
OUR COUNTRY IS FU**ED UP”
Sorry my friend. IT’S NOT “the country” that’s “FU**ED UP”
It’s a certain element within a certain group of people inside the country that are FU**ED UP!.
The country is fine. ONLY ONE PLACE in this wonderful country can you find such a contentious slogan as “Je me souviens.”
All the other provinces
(Keep it Beautiful – Friendly Manitoba – Yours to Discover — etc etc…) seem to love this country and are perfectly happy working towards making a better “more inclusive” country.
Ironically (which appears to be par for the course) It seems that it is that one group (a chunk of the French) and the province of (Quebec) which are the ones loudest in their demand for “inclusiveness” and “accommodation” that turn out to be the VERY ONES that are being “the least inclusive” and “the least accommodating.”
Sort of ties in with the double speak we hear from them all the time. IE: “welcome to our” — Anti English — “web site which encourages freedom of opinion and freedom of expression” blah blah blah.
Yeah, freedom unless that “expression” is in a language OTHER THAN THE ONE YOU FOLKS DEEM as being “THEE” ONLY viable language. Such a hypercritical position.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ZweQHEfvbsI/UiFvp46NbmI/AAAAAAAAAxs/BSp0YH4yEOA/w629-h314-no/Imperitif+Francais+-+Doublespeak.png
Or Marois saying to the English, “Don’t worry. Your rights will be fully protected” mere months before introducing bill 14 which was intended to reduce English rights even further.
http://youtu.be/7FXHE6AAk1I?t=4m17s
These people are even worse than the Nazi’s for crying out loud.
HOW, you may ask?
Well, they’re getting away with this Cr@p even though this country has a democratically elected FEDERAL government. What a joke.
Such “doublespeak” garbage.
——————
ON September 2, 2013 at 8:01 pm Highlander wrote,
“Besides after that RANT blaming all the French woes on the English:
Hungry for the Truth….August 30, 2013 at 2:24 pm
You Hungry for truth (AKA: Lives for lies) have lost all credibility ! </b<
sean had advised you well on Quebec’s history that wasn’t tainted by your separatist brethren propaganda.
It was very evident that sean knew more history of your promised land (Quebec ) then you,and you were proven wrong YET AGAIN!”
——————
I agree Highlander and I agree with the FACT that Hungry for truth (AKA: Lives for lies) is displaying a familiar sense of warped history.
Imagine, I even provided him with the videos so he could learn something but, I guess he refused to watch since “the TRUTH” didn’t match his warped VERSION of what went down, and how.
One would think the National film board of Canada is a pretty reliable source too. 🙂
bella September 2, 2013 at 8:56 pm
“My advice to you though is to keep yourself honest and try to remember what you say from day to day, because “I’m not the only “reader” who’s watching your antics.”
OMG… bella Thank-You so much for that great advice. What would I do if you weren’t there?
As you said “I’m not the only “reader” I’m sure that some of those other readers would appreciate your valuable constructive opinion about Unfair Hiring Policies. Don’t be scared. I know the concept of being constructive might scare you at first. But you’ll get over it. Remember “readers” are watching your BS.
Highlander September 3, 2013 at 6:56 am
“YOU MAY NOT AGREE HUNGRY BUT THESE 2 PARAGRAPHS ARE TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM BILL 14 AND THE REFERENCE #’S ARE THERE FOR YOU TO VERIFY!”
“QUEBEC NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL14”
This has no CREDIBILITY of truth. Bill 14 is not LEGISLATION.
CBC News Posted: Aug 30, 2013 (excerpt)
“Yesterday, Premier Pauline Marois said her government will likely end up scrapping Bill 14, their proposed ammendments to the French Language Charter.”
Why assert it as if it was FACTUAL LAW?
BILL 14 DOES NOT EXIST.
NO CREDIBILITY.
Highlander September 3, 2013 at 6:56 am
“I STILL CANNOT BELIEVE THAT RANT ON August 30, 2013 at 2:24 pm. YOU CERTAINLY HAVE ISSUES WITH ENGLISH PEOPLE AND THAT WAS EVIDENT IN THAT RANT .”
Quebec’s language laws may be a nuisance to Anglos in Quebec, and in other parts of Canada, but they are not discrimination. Like Affirmative Action in The US, they are to correct an historical injustice. The problem here, of course, is that most white Americans DO acknowledge the injustice done to Black people in the US, whereas, most English Canadians refuse to accept, that they are responsible for any injustices done to anyone,
francophone, native or anyone.
Hungry for the Truth….
September 3, 2013 at 11:10 am
“As you said “I’m not the only “reader” I’m sure that some of those other readers would appreciate your valuable constructive opinion about Unfair Hiring Policies. Don’t be scared. I know the concept of being constructive might scare you at first. But you’ll get over it. Remember “readers” are watching your BS.”
After the editing and belittling I was confronted with last time, why would I cast any more pearls before swine like you? Thank you, no. I’m good with whatever the “readers” think of me. lol Blow on with your winds of truthiness though.
Highlander September 3, 2013 at 6:56 am
“SO AS TO SAY THAT YOU REMAIN NOT BIASED ,i WOULD THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE CENSORED YOURSELF,BUT THEN AGAIN YOUR TRUE COLORS CAME OUT.”
How can one censor oneself when re-counting HISTORICAL FACTS.
No where did I interpret the FACTS. It was a narrative of a time in History. The true colors of history came out. Not mine.
Highlander September 3, 2013 at 6:56 am
“YOU CANNOT BLAME AN ENTIRE PEOPLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF THE FEW.”
Nor can you BLAME the entire population of a Province when 68% of the majority did not vote for the SEPERATIST.
bella September 3, 2013 at 11:35 am
“After the editing and belittling I was confronted with last time, why would I cast any more pearls before swine like you?”
The question is WHY. ?
Because this is what this whole forum is about. Having enough personal conviction of your “pearls” as you put it to have them challenged, belittled, edited warped. Knowing at the end, that they did not run and hind and just call everyone swines as a defence.
At least those that stand one their convictions in this forum, just don’t come and whine without at least having the courage defend their BELIEFS that they expose to all to debate.
That’s already more than what the “readers” can say about your behaviour.
Oh hungry, as you and stella pointed out on several occasions, I tried to hold my own for over a week and have a grown up conversation, to no avail. Why would I try again? There are several posters that have gone silent in disgust and disbelief, I wouldn’t be the first. I think what bothers you most is I refuse to go. That I point out your hypocrisies and your lies and won’t back down from your insults.
~
PS If you enjoy my posting style, you can thank the sweet and lovable stella for teaching me everything I needed to know about life on the interwebs comment sections. Except for the facts and the truth and moments of brilliance, that’s all me.
*s*
OMG !!!
You can’t be serious Hungry for Truth (AKA: lives for lies)
On September 3, 2013 at 11:27 am Hungry for the Truth wrote,
“Quebec’s language laws may be a nuisance to Anglos in Quebec, and in other parts of Canada, but they are not discrimination.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx_iPTIh-WI&hd=1
@HTFF….Je te l’avait dit comment elle etait…..pas de classe et aimait la chicane. Je ne reponds jamais a ses postes, ca ne vaut pas la peine……une perte de temps. Elle essaye souvent de me provoquer, ca ne marchera pas, speciallement avec elle.
HFFT WROTE: Nor can you BLAME the entire population of a Province when 68% of the majority did not vote for the SEPERATIST
RIGHT ON HFTT…….STANDING OVATION!!!! Even yorlik is giving ovations now.
CANADA THE LAND OF THE FREE
LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY!!!!
STAND TALL AND BE PROUD
TO BE LIVING IN THE GREATEST
COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
CANADA VOTED #1 AT THE G8 SUMMIT
THAT SAYS IT ALL!!!!
bella September 3, 2013 at 1:28 pm
“I think what bothers you most is I refuse to go.”
How is it that you can know what bothers me? That you stay or go is entirely in your hands. As I told you before we live in Canada and that is your right to stay and debate or go as you
wish.
“That I point out your hypocrisies and your lies and won’t back down from your insults.”
If you did chose to stay could you please point me in the right direction as to where I may find evidence that I insulted you. Or that you FACTUALLY corrected any one of my posts.
Not a correction according to bella’s views. That’s an opinion. You are not correcting you are interjecting your opinion as to what you think. That does not make it a correction of a lie.
That is a disagreement of opinions. Not a correction of a lie.
As for the insults let me show you what they look like. Show me where I called you names as you have.
bella September 3, 2013 at 11:35 am
After the editing and belittling I was confronted with last time, why would I cast any more pearls before swine like you?
These go beyond an opinion they are insults. So once again show me evidence that I called you names or insulted you, and that you corrected a LIE.
Not where you give your opinion. ACCORDING TO BELLA.
Like that Bill 14 exists. Is this True or False?
Bilingualism is on the rise in Quebec? True or false?
That Francophones in the Provinces Ontario need to show proof that
to confirms entitlement to minority Language education. True or False?
edudyorlik September 3, 2013 at 1:46 pm
OMG !!!
“You can’t be serious Hungry for Truth (AKA: lives for lies)”
I am serious edudyorlik (AKA King of Rants)
“On September 3, 2013 at 11:27 am Hungry for the Truth wrote,
“Quebec’s language laws may be a nuisance to Anglos in Quebec, and in other parts of Canada, but they are not discrimination.”
And Hungry for the Truth also wrote in the some post before it was extrapolated:
Like Affirmative Action in The US, they are to correct an historical injustice. The problem here, of course, is that most white Americans DO acknowledge the injustice done to Black people in the US, whereas, most English Canadians refuse to accept, that they are responsible for any injustices done to anyone,
francophone, native or anyone. Hungry for the Truth, August 30, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Hungry for the Truth….
September 3, 2013 at 2:47 pm
…”So once again show me evidence that I called you names or insulted you, and that you corrected a LIE”
Hungry for the Truth….
August 6, 2013 at 1:54 pm
Yes, this is a wonderful country. That’s probably why the French are trying to re-capture it after having lost it in 1759 when the French were defeated RESOUNDINGLY on the Plains of Abraham. France decided it wanted nothing to do with the remaining French peasants so it handed over (ceded) ALL of Canada to the British.
The British, the Irish and the Scots went on to build up most of what we see now today. Bridges, canals, etc etc while the French worked out in the farms as they were instructed to do by their church.
bella September 3, 2013 at 3:45 pm
UNDER WHICH LETTER.?
Hungry for the Truth….
August 6, 2013 at 1:54 pm
bella September 3, 2013 at 3:45 pm
UNDER WHICH LETTER.?
Hungry for the Truth….
August 6, 2013 at 1:54 pm
SORY BELLA TRY AGAIN THERE IS NO SUCH TIME
STAMP THAT EXISTS.
Hungry for the Truth…. August 6, 2013 at 2:20 pm
THIS IS THE ONLY STAMP AND IT WAS NOT ADDRESSED
TO YOU. IT WAS ADDRESSED TO;
Cory Cameron, August 6, 2013 at 7:27 am
Oh hungry, look at you assuming again! No it wasn’t in this particular articles comments section. I didn’t know I was limited to only one story. I guess you should have been more clear of the rules of your throw down challenge.
I have already closed all my windows and will not be searching for you again. Feel free to check the archives as I have. It was one of Eric’s letters to the editor.
Just a reminder to everyone that thousands read this stuff and CFN will not allow some personal peeing match. Not addressed to Bella; but I deleted a few comments. Please everyone; decaf time. Take a breath; perhaps a piece of fruit? Please debate the point; not the person.
Thanks
Edudyorlik September 3, 2013 at 3:59 pm
“Yes, this is a wonderful country. That’s probably why the French are trying to re-capture it after having lost it in 1759 when the French were defeated RESOUNDINGLY on the Plains of Abraham. France decided it wanted nothing to do with the remaining French peasants so it handed over (ceded) ALL of Canada to the British.”
COULD YOU BE FORGETTING A FEW SIGNED ACTS ALONG THE
WAY. OR WOULD THAT DISTURB YOUR INACCURATE STORY?
“The British, the Irish and the Scots went on to build up most of what we see now today. Bridges, canals, etc etc while the French worked out in the farms as they were instructed to do by their church”
Is it just me or could this be considered to be a Supremacist comment.?
The greater accomplishment was accomplished by the Superior
class of Canadians? While the beaten little French guy tended to his farm in complete submission. WOW….
This explains allot and truly exposes your true colours.
@bella
Please accept my apologies. I found your reference to your
claim. It does exist. I stand corrected. It is posted under
Eric Little of Ottawa on Language Service Fairness in Ontario
July 25, 2013
Hungry for the Truth…. August 6, 2013 at 1:54 pm
bella August 6, 2013 at 11:58 am
But it is an endless peeing match. Thousands of comments on this topic over the last three years. A small group of Anglo freedom fighters want Canada to be broken up because of unfair hiring practices in Ontario. Others disagree, and on and on it goes.
Furtz there has been crap from both sides and even from yourself. You can cover a turd with wit, but it’s still a turd amigo. If everyone eased off sometimes we’d have more productive debates and I think it’s most unfair of you to suggest that those wanting fairness want to break up the country. To date there’s only one group that’s tried that and that’s in Quebec.
Not wanting to pee on anyone I guess I’ll let it go, but I must admit I’m curious as to what exactly the apology is for.
Hungry for the Truth…. September 3, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Edudyorlik September 3, 2013 at 3:59 pm
“Yes, this is a wonderful country. That’s probably why the French are trying to re-capture it after having lost it in 1759 when the French were defeated RESOUNDINGLY on the Plains of Abraham. France decided it wanted nothing to do with the remaining French peasants so it handed over (ceded) ALL of Canada to the British.”
“COULD YOU BE FORGETTING A FEW SIGNED ACTS ALONG THE WAY. OR WOULD THAT DISTURB YOUR INACCURATE STORY?”
Actually no. I didn’t forget (how could we as your kind are always reminding us — (license plates ring a bell ?)
BUT, those “acts” CAME long AFTER the British defeated France and ALL OF Canada was handed over to the British as France wanted nothing to do with Canada.
So, once again it is just another illustration of how the British were shall we say, “being nice?” Or, would you prefer, demonstrating how to be accommodating. Or, or perhaps you may like the term just doing a good deed.
Something you are not likely familiar with. As all you and your kind can do is TAKE TAKE TAKE.
“The British, the Irish and the Scots went on to build up most of what we see now today. Bridges, canals, etc etc while the French worked out in the farms as they were instructed to do by their church”
“Is it just me or could this be considered to be a Supremacist comment.?”
It’s just you Hungry for Truth (AKA: Lives for lies)
Because ALL THIS STATEMENT IS
— IS something else you seem unfamiliar with.
It’s called THE historical TRUTH.
The British, the Scots and the Irish
— DID GO ON TO build most everything while the French worked on the farms. Sorry if that bothers you but, they are things called — FACTS —
And on that note, have yourself a nice “grabbing at straws” kinda day.
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Hungry for the Truth….
September 3, 2013 at 11:22 am
“YOU MAY NOT AGREE HUNGRY BUT THESE 2 PARAGRAPHS ARE TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM BILL 14 AND THE REFERENCE #’S ARE THERE FOR YOU TO VERIFY!”
“QUEBEC NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL14″
“This has no CREDIBILITY of truth. Bill 14 is not LEGISLATION.”
Hungry it remains proposed legislation ,and indicates that Quebec does not want institutionalized bilingualism like other provinces provide.
should the people of Quebec as well as Canadians object after the fact of it being implemented ?
How can you say no credibility when this was written in bill 14,i find it interesting that you find those words not credible when they are in the “national assembly”to be implemented.
here it is again folks:
88.1.1. #32 AMENDMENT LAST PARAGRAPH
“THE LANGUAGE POLICY SHALL SPECIFY THE CONDITIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH A LANGUAGE OTHER THAN FRENCH MAY BE USED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS ACT,WHILE EMPHASIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF SETTING AN EXAMPLE AND OF PREVENTING WIDESPREAD INSTITUTIONAL BILINGUALISM”
This quote rings true in this situation;
The nationalist not only does not disprove of atrocities committed by his own side ,but has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them……………………………George Orwell
admin
September 3, 2013 at 7:01 pm
” I think it’s most unfair of you to suggest that those wanting fairness want to break up the country. To date there’s only one group that’s tried that and that’s in Quebec.”
Well said Admin ,but we so called freedom fighters have been told we are trying to separate the country for near three years ,yet from this propaganda crew i have yet to hear a bad word against the true group attempting this THE SEPARATISTS.
THIS SHOULD HAVE PEOPLE THINK WHY BLAME A GROUP THAT WANTS FAIRNESS FOR ATTEMPTING TO SEPARATE THE COUNTRY ………YET NOT A WORD AGAINST THE SEPARATISTS THAT ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO SO .
FOLKS THINK OF THAT ! …..INTERESTING ISN’T IT?
edudyorlik
September 3, 2013 at 9:12 pm
A PRESENT FOR YOU
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/2305997643001#.UiPiBooNI8M.email
ALL YOU FOLKS THAT ARE SCOTTISH AND IRISH CHECK OUT THE “WHITEWASHING OF HISTORY”
Highlander what is with the caps? Are you really yelling?
Sorry caps get stuck at times.
http://sen.parl.gc.ca/ctardif/images/uploads/2010-11-04-BillS-220-e.pdf
A bill presently in senate requesting a change in language services whereby Questioning where numbers warrant….soon to be modified.
So numbers warranted will no longer apply ?
So french services even if in a large community 1 person speaks french?
This is what the Honourable Michel Bastarache said before the
Standing Senate Committee on Official Languages on
October 26, 2009, regarding these regulations:
They refer to 3,000 people, or 5 per cent of the
population, and list exception after exception. I am not sure
that was the intended objective . . . If the objective is to
support a community, will the numbers truly determine
this issue or should there not be a more qualitative
assessment? . . .
Honourable senators, there can be no doubt that the existing
mathematical, mechanical process for determining demand for
service is not in line with the fundamental goal of the Official
Languages Act, which is to promote the development of
francophone and anglophone minorities and the full recognition
and use of French and English in Canadian society.
I love this since when is English recognized in Quebec ,But this is all about pushing french on the rest of Canada while french only in Quebec.
As long as Quebec will not recognize English why should the rest of Canada recognize French ……but at last this is not about providing a service but assimilate the English to French welcome to SOCIAL ENGINEERING .
Furtz this “endless peeing match” that you describe as this situation I will be tackling in a new Lte in the next week or two.
Thank you Naheed Neshi
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/03/naheed-nenshi-calls-pq-values-charter-social-suicide-suggests-that-upset-quebecers-move-to-calgary/
Well they already are leaving Quebec- last stats Can 40,000 job losses in Quebec 75% of all job losses in Canada ,yet 80,000 new jobs in the rest of Canada.
It will only get worse for Quebec as their policies alienate immigrants ,English as well as restrictive business policies .
The world is watching you Quebec go into self destruction mode.
The PQ propaganda political machine looking to politicize history:
http://globalnews.ca/video/817431/extended-interview-emsb-history-teacher-john-cummins
Highlander September 4, 2013 at 6:58 am
“Well said Admin ,but we so called freedom fighters have been told we are trying to separate the country for near three years ,yet from this propaganda crew i have yet to hear a bad word against the true group attempting this THE SEPARATISTS.”
When you see a horse you say “There’s a Horse” When you see a dog” you say “There’s a dog” when you read comments like these you say,
concerned citizen 2 July 27, 2013 at 11:04 pm
“Hey I think I found the solution to the problem;
Referendum baby.. Quebec needs to conform to our
Canadian democracy or take the door!!!”
“English Lassie July 26, 2013 at 5:28 pm
“Solution:
1) Goodbye Quebec
2) Abolish ALL language laws in Canada
3) One official language; ENGLISH
4) ANY second language is an asset
5) Provide translation services as needed
Pretty darn simple!”
“NPC July 30, 2013 at 8:20 am
This ,BTW, is not my first choice, but given the history and persistence of quebec , in her relationship with Canada and the events of the last ,particularly 20 years, it is time for them to go.
Sean August 31, 2013 at 5:15 am
“I certainly support quebec in its quest for separation.”
“These people support the break-up this Country”
What you say Highlander is correct that you have not seen comments from the French Separatist posted here. I for one am not Separatist, so I would find it difficult to comment in favour of the Separation of Quebec and the split up of Canada.
I have however, seen many posted comments say that they do not support splitting up Canada. Which leads me to believe that they do not support Quebec Separatist’s but yet they are accused of spewing “separatist propaganda”.
So when posters comment that some “freedom fighters” support the split up of Canada it’s not exactly inaccurate based on the comments that is posted by some.
“FOLKS THINK OF THAT ! …..INTERESTING ISN’T IT?”
Hungry for the Truth….
September 4, 2013 at 9:49 am
“I have however, seen many posted comments say that they do not support splitting up Canada. Which leads me to believe that they do not support Quebec Separatist’s but yet they are accused of spewing “separatist propaganda”
Perhaps some view separation as the opportunity to stop LANGUAGE APARTHEID.
But there is a political party that is intent on separating the country …….yet your propaganda team … not a bad word directed to them ….things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmm.
Looks like a skunk …walks like a skunk ….smells like a skunk ….but no its a dog …ya right! We know where you and your English haters stand.
HFTT, it is obvious that Quebec either wants to be its own country or have the best of both worlds with others money.
Sooner or later, a parent has to provide some tough love because one kid wants more than the others continuously.
I would rather Quebec stayed, but only if it stays close to the line other provinces do.
Equalization payments policy can be changed next year, lets start with that!
HighlanderSeptember 4, 2013 at 10:48 am
“We know where you and your English haters stand.”
What I can confirm with certainty is in this forum, I do not
represent any ones views but my own. If I am part of a “group”
because you have decided to assign me to the ADVERSARIES.
Although I believe that Bilingualism is unfairly affecting 1000’s.
I can’t speak for others, but I can assure you that I personally am not an English Hater. I stand for my equal right to freedom of speech, even if it does contrast some opinions. It is not because
I have a difference of opinion of your views or others that you should Label me a Hater of English Canadians.
I do not hate any one. I may not agree with tactics and opinions on certain matters, but as I said before I believe in the principle that the corner stone of our democracy resides in respect and civility. NOT HATE.
You are unhappy with the place you have made for yourself? Why hungry, you are only treated the same way you treat others. You have been disrespected because you have been disrespectful. Now you want to change your lot and yet you blame others for where you are.
“I stand for my equal right to freedom of speech, even if it does contrast some opinions. It is not because
I have a difference of opinion of your views or others that you should Label me a Hater of English Canadians.”
Why are your rights more important than my rights?Why do you want everything and yet refuse to give anything? Why do you not correct furtz when he labels others as anglo freedom fighter when you both know it’s not true? Why is it up to us to make you feel better, when you continue to point out so how little you care about others?
Hungry for the Truth….
September 4, 2013 at 12:33 pm
“I can’t speak for others, but I can assure you that I personally am not an English Hater.”
So what would you call that RANT blaming all the french woes on the English… Hungry for the Truth…August 30, 2013 at 2:24 pm.
,which sean had proven that you were historically wrong .
“Although I believe that Bilingualism is unfairly affecting 1000′s.”
What 1000’s locally !What about the across the country …try perhaps millions +.
LANGUAGE APARTHEID EFFECTS 1.5 MILLION alone in Quebec ,forget about the many across the country.
ITs language laws that have created much division in this country and has created a class system similar to India’s.
The country is getting very roused on these language issues ,change is surly to come ,its time to treat all people equally!
Watch out equalization payments !
What is with Quebec being a country now as it referenced to as a country ,good time to say bye bye transfer payments.
Eric September 4, 2013 at 11:45 am
“HFTT, it is obvious that Quebec either wants to be its own country or have the best of both worlds with others money.”
Eric,
I have seen you utilize the reference “others money” as the bases of unfairness. With all due respect, does the French Speaking Canadians pay taxes?
I know the usual argument in defence is about Equalization Payments to a welfare province. I really wish that some would take time to examine in a positive light why the Equalization Payments are the way they are.
It is not Quebec that is asking for more because they are French.
It’s not to provide more French services.
It’s the Canadian Federal Government that has set criterion’s for the Equal Service Standard that is guaranteed by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
I like you would love to see Quebec stay as part of Canada.
Highlander September 4, 2013 at 6:50 am
“Hungry it remains proposed legislation ,and indicates that Quebec does not want institutionalized bilingualism like other provinces provide.”
Highlander, I agree that it is as you say “proposed” legislation. But it is just that proposed.
I’m sure that you are aware that there are 100’s of proposed Bills that do not make it through the legislative process. Bill 14 has made it to the first reading before Marois decided to scrap it. It never made it through to Ascent. Hence is has no credible
standing of FACT.
All it confirms is an intention, that did not garner support and died on the order table.
Need I remind you that it was the intention of the Separatist Government, we never saw the proposed amendments that would have been included, if Bill 14 had made it through
to the second reading, with the amendments. It is possible that the section that you refer to would not of of been included as part of the Ascended Bill 14.
“How can you say no credibility when this was written in bill 14,i find it interesting that you find those words not credible when they are in the “national assembly” to be implemented.”
Bill 14 is not destined to be implemented.
The process is clear. At this point given the Government does not wish not to continue the legislative process it’s dead and should be filled under does not exist.
A bill is a proposed law under consideration by a legislature. A bill does not become law until it has passed through the legislative process. Once a bill has been enacted into law, it is called an act or a statute.
It has no credibility of truth and validity of FACTUAL LAW.
@Highlander RE: POST on September 4, 2013 at 7:51 am
GREAT POST Highlander. Didn’t this “Michel Bastarache”
also say something to the effect that
** if you ask me where numbers is when 1 person demands service in french? **
Or was that someone else? If so, can you direct me to that person/quote for my records.
http://sen.parl.gc.ca/ctardif/images/uploads/2010-11-04-BillS-220-e.pdf
Highlander wrote,” A bill presently in senate requesting a change in language services whereby Questioning where numbers warrant….soon to be modified.
So numbers warranted will no longer apply ?
So french services even if in a large community 1 person speaks french?
This is what the Honourable Michel Bastarache said before the
Standing Senate Committee on Official Languages on
October 26, 2009, regarding these regulations:
They refer to 3,000 people, or 5 per cent of the
population, and list exception after exception. I am not sure
that was the intended objective . . . If the objective is to
support a community, will the numbers truly determine
this issue or should there not be a more qualitative
assessment? . . .
Honourable senators, there can be no doubt that the existing
mathematical, mechanical process for determining demand for
service is not in line with the fundamental goal of the Official
Languages Act, which is to promote the development of
francophone and anglophone minorities and the full recognition
and use of French and English in Canadian society.
I love this since when is English recognized in Quebec ,But this is all about pushing french on the rest of Canada while french only in Quebec.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rpJbxjT564&hd=1
As long as Quebec will not recognize English why should the rest of Canada recognize French ……but at last this is not about providing a service but assimilate the English to French welcome to SOCIAL ENGINEERING
bella September 4, 2013 at 1:36 pm
“Why do you not correct furtz when he labels others as anglo freedom fighter when you both know it’s not true? “
Because it’s his Right to see it as he sees it. I have never called anyone “fredom Fighter.”
He, as you have the right to freedom of speech whether you are right or wrong. How do I know it’s not true?
And I do not say any where bella that my rights are more imporatant. They are just as EQUAL. And I have never called anybody names in any one of my posts Never.
“ Why is it up to us to make you feel better, when you continue to point out so how little you care about others?”
.
I do not seek anyone to make me feel better I feel pretty good thank-you.. I would very much disagree with you that I do no care about others. It is not because I disagree with someones opinion that I disrescpect or don’t care. That’s how it is in the grown up world. We have the right to disagree and can still respect one another as human beings that co-exist in Our Canada. .
HFTT, of course Quebecers pay taxes, they just get more back than they pay and Trudeau made sure it continued with the Charter. http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/17/quebec-proves-that-not-all-is-equal-in-canadas-equalization-payment-program
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/29/time-for-quebec-to-end-equalization-addiction-montreal-think-tank/
http://www.vigile.net/Quebec-feasts-on-equalization