Discrimination
Discrimination. The big D word. A word most readily used by many though rarely meritable in its’ use. In our contemporary world of political correctness, discrimination is one of many ‘buzzwords’ that forms a politicians’ lexicon of verbal spaghetti. Political figures love to throw around the idea that one group of people are often discriminated against by another group of people or even by a nation’s laws. It is a fantastic vote grabber for those most instrumental in the art of politics. The truth however, in this day and age, is that rarely are modern-day laws discriminatory in their practice, right?
Wrong!
Have you ever heard of the concepts of affirmative action or what we like to call employment equity in Canada? These are concepts that were instituted into Canadian law to help level the playing field for those who have traditionally suffered the ill consequences of discrimination; especially in the job market. Under the Constitution Act of 1982, containing the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms; equity legislation is detailed therein. The Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) is enforced by the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) and it is this commission that deals with whether or not discrimination has taken place in the workplace.
The following details the issue of Prohibited Grounds of Discrimination in Canada: (Belcourt, Bohlander, & Snell, Managing Human Resources, 5th Canadian Edition, 2008).
Race or colour
Religion
Physical or mental disability
Dependence on alcohol or drugs
Age
Sex
Marital status
Family status
Sexual orientation
National or ethnic origin (including linguistic background)
Ancestry of place of origin
Language
Social Condition or origin
Source of income
Assignment, attachment or seizure of pay
Based on association
Political belief
Record of criminal conviction
Pardoned conviction
While appearing like a fair and equitable approach to the issue of fairness in hiring practices; employment equity actually creates the framework for unfair hiring criteria – whereby the best qualified person may be the most successful candidate but may not be chosen due to government imposed employment equity legislation. Case-in-point; consider the possibility of two highly qualified candidates applying for the same government or private sector industry, job. One candidate, a qualified counselor who, as a child, was raised in the atmosphere of a same sex marriage; understands the very real social challenges faced by his/her same sex parents. One could surmise that not only is this individual qualified as a counselor; but has the added experience of being raised in a non-traditional family setting, outside of the traditional nuclear family. The other candidate is also a highly qualified counselor but is a homosexual. By the very definition and reasoning for employment equity, chances are that the successful candidate will be chosen due to his/her sexuality and not necessarily for his/her skills.
Another scenario if you will. Imagine an Aboriginal couple fostering a non-Aboriginal child who is raised and immersed in Aboriginal culture. He/she has a university/college education associated with his/her chosen field; speaks an Aboriginal language, is well-versed in the culture and customs associated with the First Nation and has all the credentials required of someone who could work for a government or non-government Aboriginal organization. The other candidate also has some or most of these qualifications but has one added qualification. Their ethnicity or race is of a First Nation. Once again, by the very definition and reasoning for employment equity, chances are that the successful candidate will be chosen due to his/her ethnicity or race and not necessarily for his/her skills.
Sound like rare or improbable cases and scenarios to you? I can attest that they’re not. They’re increasingly happening everyday in Canada and Human Resources professionals have had to contend with the issue of unfair hiring criteria that these laws have created since at least 1995 with the Employment Equity Act.
If you think at this point that our Canadian employment laws are unfair and unjustified then I have even more bad news for you. Consider the above information I’ve provided about Employment Equity. Add to this the increasingly unfair bilingual language requirements as well and you can see where things are headed. A politically correct society where in the quest for fairness we’ve permitted a very unfair system to flourish unchallenged by the people themselves. We need to ask ourselves if Canada’s employment and language laws are really a reflection of what we encompass and value as a society or if our various levels of government are attempting through social engineering, to shape and mould the people’s consciousness to the system itself. In other words, do the people work for the system or should the system work for the people?
Ever heard of the concept of a ‘bona fide occupational qualification’? Believe it or not, this concept currently exists in Canada and it allows for discrimination in hiring! That’s right folks. You read that correctly. In the very ‘Act’, the Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) whose existence is to prohibit discriminatory hiring practices there exists government-sponsored discriminatory hiring! As Belcourt et al. reports (2008):
The act applies to all federal government departments and agencies, to Crown corporations, and to other businesses and industries under federal jurisdiction, such as banks, airlines, railway companies, and insurance and communications companies. For those areas not under federal jurisdiction, protection is available under provincial human rights laws. Provincial laws, although very similar to federal ones, do differ from province to province. Every province and territory has a human rights act (or code), and each has jurisdiction prohibiting discrimination in the workplace. The prohibited grounds of discrimination in employment include race, religion, sex, age, national or ethnic origin, physical handicap, and marital status…Employers are permitted to discriminate if employment preferences are based on a bona fide occupational qualifications (BFOQ) or BFOR (bona fide occupational requirement). A BFOQ is justified if the employer can establish necessity for business operations. In other words, differential treatment is not discrimination if there is a justifiable reason. (106)
This sounds an awful lot like Orwell’s, Animal Farm, where Commandment #7 which originally stated that:
“All animals are equal”
Was eventually changed to,
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”
Is this the kind of Canada we want to live and work in? Surely the ideology of an individual’s rights should trump group rights in all respects. Should it not? Otherwise, we need to ask ourselves if we truly live in a democracy where all citizens enjoy the same rights and privileges as all others. As of this writing, the majority of our citizenry cannot work for their civil service or hold the highest office of the land due to nothing more than a lack of knowledge of one of Canada’s minority languages.
Please keep in mind that,
“All Canadians are equal, but some Canadians are more equal than others”
Cory Cameron
Timmins, On
Sunday August 25, 2013
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It would seem that Hungry for truth (Lives for lies) is having a problem committing as try to press him regarding your Thibideau question bella.
This is VERY similar to the problem the “agitator gang” seem to have when we bring up the concept of “historical facts.”
I gotta tell ya, we sure do get a wall of silence or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LDU4_lvZoo&hd=1
when these things are brought up as challenges to their warped views.
Oh well, keep trying bella. Maybe one day the light will shine through and they will “GET IT.”
Who knows, maybe there will also come a day when the agitator gang will acknowledge that France LOST the war and signed a proclamation that handed over – ALL OF CANADA — to the British and EVERYTHING “offered to the French” AFTER THAT was only due to the good nature and kindness of those British that remained on their newly acquired area / land which they fought for and won.
Fact is: Many British/English/Scots at the time were the ones fighting the hardest — along side of and on behalf of — the French to help them get more rights and abolish those anti French laws that had been put in place.
Talk about being ungrateful eh. Shesh. Can’t say i have ever felt so stabbed in the back (on behalf of those before me) as i feel today seeing what the French are doing and how they’re doing it.
The moral of the story:
YOU CANNOT JUST PICK AND CHOOSE
(like the agitator gang do more often than not)
1916 – Province of Manitoba:
1912 – Province of Ontario:
1890 – Province of Manitoba:
1877 – Province of Prince-Edward-Island:
1871 – Province of New Brunswick:
1864 – Province of Nova Scotia:
which history is important or which history SERVES YOUR PURPOSE better.
ALL HISTORY IS RELEVANT to some degree…
edudyorlik September 9, 2013 at 1:08 pm
“YOU CANNOT JUST PICK AND CHOOSE”
Where is the rule that says I have to answer questions. You have the right to post what you want. I have the right to answer what I want.
Unless of course you can produce the rule that says I must because you say I have to. I believe to still have the freedom to chose.
@highlander……..twist again, like you did last summer. Twist again like you did last year…..twisting time is here.
I can’t wait for the next letter to the editor. We need a new one on language…….this one is getting a little stale.
EDUDYORLIK I hear you on the depth issue mon ami. Apparently language is a non issue in Ontario and if that was the case then HIGHLANDER is right, why not scrap the FLA ?
But really the most comical reality about STELLA is that she REALLY believes that Canadians have a right to comment on their province of residence ONLY. That a Canadian should not comment or be concerned with what transpires elsewhere in the country ! Mind you business STELLA says and my recommendation to STELLA would be to look at a map and point to the Dominion of Canada. Comic relief only and no substance !
Eric September 9, 2013 at 6:20 am
HFTT said “Why is so difficult to accept the French Canadian’s wish to protect their right and culture by enacting Laws that will prevent further discrimination that history demonstrates.”
“Few of us I imagine have a problem with French or any other Canadians trying to protect rights and culture.”
I presume that this may be closer to your personal view. Because, if you’ve paying attention to some posts in this forum most do not agree that there should be any legislation for the Francophones in Ontario. Nor should Quebec’s French Majority seek to protect their rights.
“The problem is enacting laws that discriminate (selective hiring)against the majority or other minorities.”
It is not the Laws that discriminate. It’s the application of the French Language Service Act. The tool that is used to measure the ACTUAL NEED of the French Services is Broken. Those that have the responsibility to draft Hiring Policies to enforce the Act are creating discrimination. Not the Law. The calculation Formula is faulty.
“The problem is government not reviewing laws that were in place 40 plus years ago to see if they are needed, are working, or are discriminating in some fashion.”
The Languages Act is not applicable in Ontario. The government will only do a revision of a law when citizens have found a way to bring it to their attention. Through advocates that has it as their
mandate to focus on a plan of action that will lead to a solution.
“It is not to much to ask for an unbiased review, what is working, what needs to be changed, what is not working, is one group benefiting more than others.”
In this case it is not the government that needs to review. It is the local board of directors and other local authorities that have to enforce the ACT. They are the responsible body that creates discrimination when enforcing the Act. Should Quebec Anglophones benefit more than French Onatarians?
“Yes HFTT, laws change to reflect current life, overly protecting Francophones is something that should change to be brought in line with actual needs!”
I agree Eric, laws change to reflect current life. Ontario’s Majority population is English. You say overly protecting Francophones should be changed. Then I could conclude that the same apply to Quebec’s Majority population of French. We should not seek to not overly protect Anglophones and that should be changed to be brought in line with actual need. Is this a fair statement?
“What rights are Francophones not getting now?”
It’s not that they are being deprived of any right. It’s the fact that they have to fight for that right. Some claim that legislating laws in Quebec are discriminatory to Anglophones. They have to equally fight for their Anglo rights as Francophones do in Ontario.
How is it any different?
Change the measuring Formula that presently creates discrimination against Health Professionals and that can be done locally not provincially. Once that local authorities have a new calculation Formula they can lobby the Provincial authorities.
Hungry for the Truth…. September 9, 2013 at 1:01 pm
Your still being evasive there hungry AKA(LIVES FOR LIES),you chose to only answer Questions which suit you.
With someone like yourself who is bold in your viewpoints ,when your silence occurs upon questions asked certainly speaks more then your own words.
Yes like you stated” Readers are intelligent and can conclude without your suggestion of how you interpret my silence.”
There you go our fine readers ;actions and there lack of speaks volumes.
It is to question why as one who is very vocal becomes suddenly silent upon certain Questions .
highlander September 9, 2013 at 1:38 pm
“There you go our fine readers ;actions and there lack of speaks volumes. It is to question why as one who is very vocal becomes suddenly silent upon certain Questions .”
As I have just answered another poster on the same old badgering insistence.
Where is the rule that says I have to answer questions. You have the right to post what you want. I have the right to answer what I want.
Unless of course you can produce the rule that says I must because you say I have to. I believe to still have the freedom to chose.
Can you answer me what is your plan of action to bring fairness to the unfair Hiring Practices in Cornwall?
There you go our fine readers ;actions and there lack of speaks volumes. It is to question why as one who is very vocal becomes suddenly silent upon certain Questions .
The readers I am sure understand your reason to be evasive and uncharacteristic void of views on particular points brought up. They can see through the games.
@Highlander
You still have not answered my very valid question.
What is your plan of action to bring fairness to the unfair Hiring Practices in Cornwall?
Readers are waiting for your answer to this question.
With someone like yourself who is bold in your viewpoints ,when your silence occurs upon questions asked certainly speaks more then your own words.
I’m still waiting.
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH Ok hungry. Curious, here’s an easy one for you…..what colour is the sky in your world?
@ Hungry for truth (AKA: Lives for lies)
edudyorlik September 9, 2013 at 1:08 pm
YOU CANNOT JUST PICK AND CHOOSE
“Where is the rule that says I have to answer questions. You have the right to post what you want. I have the right to answer what I want. “
That’s right Hungry for truth (AKA: lives for lies). You don’t have to “answer any questions” and you don’t have to “try” to defend your side of this to all those readers you say will make up their own minds.
As a matter of fact. It’s probably wiser of you to NOT EVEN BOTHER trying. Why?
Because — you side — of this is indefensible.
While both sides are indeed guilty of certain historical wrongs (see, it’s not hard to admit) it was the British / English side who were the ones that took the moral and ethical high ground in all of this and began to help (actually lead) the rallies and protests to help the French get rid of many of those wrong anti French laws which you spoke about in that post on Hungry for the Truth…. September 7, 2013 at 11:17 am.
http://youtu.be/Zj9b1SyHpys?t=26s
“There is no possible intellectual defense of these laws”
Mordecai Richler (an Author who deserves reverence but i am sure you and the gang of agitators have him in the league of the Howard Galaganov as well)
Throughout practically all of Canada’s history (at least modern history anyways) it was in fact the VICTORIOUS English who were leaders in accommodating the French fact in this country. It was after all, a British land therefore, just by sheer deductive reasoning one can see that allowing
French on packaging,
French on the money,
French in schools,
and French in the federal government
were things that were graciously offered and PERMITTED throughout the years in an effort to be kind and generous and “blend” (I know you are not familiar with that word being that the French don’t like BLENDING. They much prefer to have ALL FRENCH ONLY.)
What did the French do with these kind gestures and offerings?
THEY just took FULL ADVANTAGE of it all.
At just about EVERY STEP OF THE WAY while the English were doing everything they could in fairness and “trying to strike a balance” between the French and the English according to the idea
And STILL ARE to this day.
With them (and your group of agitators) it’s NOT give a little, take a little.
It’s ALL — TAKE TAKE TAKE.
And YOU, are perpetuating this within those myths you spoke of regarding how back the English were similar to this http://youtu.be/Wpvha-oe0Hw?t=4m10s
In any event, I wish you a great, “I’ll do as I please” kinda day eh 🙂
CARRY ON…
Yes edudyorlik. Anybody foolish enough to not agree with you or your group of freedom-fighters has to be shallow and mentally deficient, or worse, morally corrupt. We should hang our heads in shame and beg forgiveness, and promise to never ever question your wisdom again.
I’m totally ashamed of myself for being a contented Anglo ex-Quebecois living in Ontario.
@Hungry for truth (AKA: LIVES FOR LIES)
I realize I am simplifying things but, the element of betrayal and sense of being taken advantage of can indeed be conveyed in this kind of example as it does come through.
Say you Hungry went to a poker game and say you won all the cash that was available to be won from all the other players.
You were VICTORIOUS.
No matter how you won or whatever the circumstances you would have a FULL RIGHT to KEEP the whole -country- oops, I mean pot for yourself and leave the game.
Beyond that, if you’re honest you would likely also admit that you would probably gloat with pride for a little while at having been so strategically keen and cunning about having used such a GREAT strategy to – climb that hill- where it was not expected and WIN the game..
Now, let’s say you begin to feel sorry for these other players (your buddies) and let’s say they are all sitting there with 10 dollars left whining about a bill they have to pay at the end of the month. Now let’s say, as the victor, you are a kind and generous type of winner ( I know it’s a stretch, but try to pretend you are the British)
You grumble and have your moment of treating the LOOSERS
that LOST TO YOUR amazing poker talents as peons
but then after they grumble back and show their discontent you decide to give back 50.00 to each person -and allow French in the federal government- as a gesture of good heartedness and a way to find common ground and meet in the middle.
Now let’s say, after you GIVE BACK 50.00 to each player you then get up and go to the washroom. Imagine that, while you’re in the washroom the very people you were kind and generous to then turned around and -decided to enact a bunch of unfair laws- and they each took back another 20.00 from your pot which you had trustingly left on the table while you went to the washroom.
As the winner who simply could have been happy with your WHOLE POT OF CASH and left the game but decided not to do so and then tried to be kind and generous, you likely wouldn’t be too happy if you found out what transpired and how everyone took advantage of you even though you were trying everything to be kind, would you?
Well, that scenario (all be it — described in a simplistic way — ) is tantamount to what is happening right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvyifj557p8&hd=1
IMAGINE how much MORE AGGRAVATING an UNFAIR this would be if i were to have included the highly contentious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVaN0-vfGKU&hd=1
minority and majority elements in this simplistic concept.
And on that note, I wish you a, “give them an inch and they take a mile (foot)” kinda day eh 🙂
Best not embarrass oneself by stating something that may be contradictory in terms. I guess I’ll use my freedom of choice in choosing whether or not to respond to anything in kind to this posting. Really Highlander, Edudyorlik, Eric and others, why waster your time with this sort of nonsense? This isn’t exactly a worthwhile chess game whereby they hope to peg us as being anti-French and we somehow keep nailing them for supporting their ethnocentrism viewpoints.
The true travesty of all of this is that after 3 years of attempting to right the wrongs of the system, the HMCS ‘Hiring Unfairness’ is still sailing straight ahead through murky waters. And where millions of Canadians should be concerned, there is nothing but silence.
@ Cory. Are you serious? What is your issue? Is it seeing a French sign by Highway 11 in northern Ontario? Is it being spoken to in French in the Timmins post office? Is it unfair hiring practices at CCH? Is it that your MP and MPP don’t get back to you? Is it that the local papers wont print your letters, and won’t tell you why? Or is it that the Language Commissioner thought your complaint was frivolous and laughable?
Hungry for the Truth…. September 9, 2013 at 1:29 pm
” It’s not that they are being deprived of any right. It’s the fact that they have to fight for that right.”
“Some claim that legislating laws in Quebec are discriminatory to Anglophones. They have to equally fight for their Anglo rights as Francophones do in Ontario”
Hungry yes Anglo’s in Quebec should have the same rights as Ontario has for Francophones.
But there is a big difference here Ontario does not legislate the restriction of French language but infact encourages it through mandating language services .
Ontario provides bilingual service Quebec doesn’t want institutional bilingualism.
Ontario does provide French schools and encourages French emersion ,Quebec does restrict english education and well English emersion in unheard of.
Hungry there is no direct comparison ,it just goes to show who’s more accommodating ,but in reality its all SOCIAL ENGINEERING.
cory wrote: And where millions of Canadians should be concerned, there is nothing but silence.
GEE……that is surprising. According to your buddies, the entire country is behind you and growing by the 1,000s everyday.
We are being told 20 times a day people are waking up and you say there is nothing but silence……which is it?
Let me tell you why they are not concerned. Most don’t care about the laws that are implemented in Quebec. They are more concerned with what is happening in their own province especially in their own city. The economy, jobs, growth and their own well being is what is important to most normal people..
They don’t care about language on signs or on highways, nor do they care what language they are spoken to as long as they are understood.
Most have a life and enjoy it to the fullest. It is too bad the freedom fighters are missing out on the truly beautiful things in life because their shorts are in a knot………oh well, their loss.
Name 3 things that are beautiful in your life, stella. Someone with so much anger and hate, cannot possibly enjoy the beauty of anything. Name 3.
I’m missing out in the benefits that only a few million Canadians enjoy, Stella, due to racial bigotry in Canada. So, as you can see, I’m unable to enjoy life to its fullest due to that. This elitism that has been permitted to permeate our culture has flourished unchecked until now. You’re right, Stella. Most don’t care about the freedom to choose what languages exist on signs; or what language(s) to work in or the freedom to attend school in the language of their choice. I though, will not be counted amongst the millions of sheep in this country who tow the government’s line in all of this. I maintain that all of this is social engineering 101. I seriously miscalculated my fellow Canadians in their approach to freedom. Perhaps we, as snobbish as we are as Canadians, can learn a thing or two about freedom of choice from our so-called redneck neighbours to the south?
How feel you Stella about the new fascist Quebec values about to be instituted?
I don’t know how stella can say people in Ontario are more concerned with what is going on in this province, public apathy is almost a religion.
But stella, French people seem to care what language they are spoken too, English have always been more complacent.
stellabystarlight September 9, 2013 at 10:03 pm
” Most don’t care about the laws that are implemented in Quebec.”
” They don’t care about language on signs or on highways, nor do they care what language they are spoken to as long as they are understood.”
Stella Quebecers care,about the signs in Quebec and what language ,as well as francophones in Ontario,in fact its demanded!
Historically Ontario in the 1800’s upon creating the province Francophones represented less then 1% ,English (Irish,English,Scottish,Jews ect..ect..) represented 40+ % .
Did you know that Gaelic was an official language in Canadian parliament?
French is just one of the many cultures in our countries developement but predominantly in Quebec.
Quebec were permitted to use their own language and churches which at the time with conquered people was unheard of but thanks to magna Carta and English law they were deemed equal.
But now in Canada unfair language laws are being enacted across the country where there is a sprinkling of French .
In those same area’s other minority languages far surpass French and are not recognised ,these same minority languages that go back to the pioneer days.
It is imperative to understand that Quebec and the French people claim bill 101 is enacted to prevent French from being assimilated to English .
Now that being said what of those many other cultures (both English and the other 200 cultures)and French language laws is it fair to assimilate them under the same conditions that Quebec has enacted laws such as bill 101 to prevent?
I understand and respect the need of French people to preserve thier language (by the way language is not culture) but not at the cost of other languages.
It comes at a cost of other languages for the fact that English is easily the predominant language .
But with French being institutionalized and given predominance in government hiring practices it discourages the learning and maintaining of other languages.
All languages are equal ,but some more then others!
We have Canadian Gaelic which is almost extinct with 2000 people speaking it, yet it had been very prominent .
Most Canadian Gaelic was not passed down from generation to generation and thereby near extinct ,not because they were forced to ,by choice of common language.
The Question is being Canadian French is as unique as the near extinct Canadian Gaelic ,why is the one protected throught legislation and billions and yet the other is destined to become extinct?
Is all this bilingualism to protect a dying language or to encourage assimilation ,for there are millions of French speakers and thereby nowhere near extinct ,yet the unique Canadian Gaelic will surely die off .
So is the intent to protect a language if so what of Canadian Gaelic?
So there you go, those that have Canadian Gaelicas as well many other languages will certainly die out as the artificial need and propagation of French is the Governments adgenda.
Like I said before: ALL LANGUAGES ARE EQUAL ,YET SOME MORE THEN OTHERS.
Sorry correction to highlander September 10, 2013 at 10:28 am
Historically Ontario in the 1800′s upon creating the province Francophones represented less then 1% ,English (Irish,English,Scottish,Jews ect..ect..) represented 40+ % IN QUEBEC.
highlander September 9, 2013 at 6:01 pm
“Hungry yes Anglo’s in Quebec should have the same rights as Ontario has for Francophones.”
Anglos in Quebec have as much if not more rights than Franco-Ontarian’s.
“But there is a big difference here Ontario does not legislate the restriction of French language but infact encourages it through mandating language services .”
Ontario’s official Language is English. (de facto)
Minority education rights are restricted to “were numbers warrants”
Ontario opted out of the Languages Act in 1969 and is not officially Bilingual.
The French Language Service Act enacted in 1989
The French Language Service Act does not encourage French it protects the right of access to services in French.
The de facto business language in Ontario is English. Franco-Ontarian’s that do not speak English do not get the jobs.
“Ontario provides bilingual service Quebec doesn’t want institutional bilingualism.”
The written Government documentation contradicts your claim that Quebec does not want to institutionalize bilingualism. Courts are bilingual, all Government web sites are bilingual, all
services are available in English. All legislated law has to be in both official languages. English companies can advertise on English medias with no restrictions. 52 % of the population is Bilingual. There is 3 English Universities and 4 French Universities. There is 9 English School Boards 235 English Schools. Most educational curriculum from elementary to secondary is Bilingual. All public informational documentation is printed in both Official Languages.
highlander September 9, 2013 at 6:01 pm
“Ontario does provide French schools and encourages French emersion ,Quebec does restrict english education and well English emersion in unheard of.”
Mauricie English Elementary School
1241 rue Nicolas-Perrot
Trois-Rivieres, Quebec G9A 1C2
RMEES offers an English Program and a Basic Literacy Program.
Holland School
940 avenue Ernest Gagnon
Québec, Québec G1S 3R2
Holland School offers an English elementary education to children in Kindergarten to Grade 6 in accordance with the Québec Education Program (QEP).
Everest Elementary School
2280 rue Laverdière
Duberger, Québec, G1P 2T3
Although Everest is an English-language school, 84% of our students are French; only 5.5% speak English at home. We focus on surrounding children with English so that they acquire good reading, writing and speaking skills. Our Balanced Literacy program is an approach to language acquisition which provides students with a variety of experiences to help them acquire and master the English language.
Shawinigan High School
1125 avenue des Cèdres
Shawinigan , Québec G9N 1P7
Strong Bilingual program – 97% of our students are Francophone first language students at our school to learn English. Because of this fact, home and community support French Language mastery, school provides English instruction. The result is a Bilingual student graduate.
Unique – SHS is the only English language school in the Shawinigan region and we are able to offer our graduates more opportunities for post-secondary schools (French & English).
This is only four of the hundreds of French School that all offer English curriculum in Quebec. There are hundreds of school that you can verify and they all have the same English or bilingual curriculum. I do not see where Quebec restricts English in Schools. There is a multitude of English and French Immersion Programs.
Eric wrote: I don’t know how stella can say people in Ontario are more concerned with what is going on in this province, public apathy is almost a religion.
You left out “especially in their own city” from my post. Anything that has a personal and direct impact is what people care about. Language on signs, highways, etc etc….is BS to rational people.
Being apathetic is a good sign. It indicates that people are content. They have no need to instigate, rule, conquer or dictate. THEY LIVE AND LET LIVE.
CANADA THE LAND OF FREEDOM AND PEACE!!!!!
cory wrote: How feel you Stella about the new fascist Quebec values about to be instituted?
cory that is another issue which has nothing to do with language nor this article.
Perhaps you can write another LTE on that subject.
PS…..”about to be instituted” “ABOUT” doesn’t make it law.
@HFTT wrote: I do not see where Quebec restricts English in Schools.
From your research it doesn’t. To even say that anything English in Quebec is being abolished is nonsense.
That is what irritates people about this language issue. Many things that have been posted over the years are gross exaggerations or fabricated to suit their agenda.
With all due respect to the LFA and the galganov followers.
These questions don’t have to be answered nor do I expect a response but they certainly leave many pertinent doubts as to your true agenda.
Why was the hiring issue with the CCH dropped?
Why couldn’t it have been pursued if in fact it was discriminatory?
Why the change of venue from the local issue?
Why join forces with galganov?
Why the push to separate this GREAT NATION?
Quebec separatists are not the only ones, it was often expressed in this forum.
CANADA THE LAND OF FREEDOM AND PEACE
THE ENVY OF THE WORLD
DON’T ALLOW A SMALL GROUP CHANGE THAT
Hungry for truth (AKA:Lives for lies) wrote,
“The written Government documentation contradicts your claim that Quebec does not want to institutionalize bilingualism. Courts are bilingual, all Government web sites are bilingual, all services are available in English. All legislated law has to be in both official languages etc… “
Yeah right !! The French web sites are bilingual alright. What that means to the French is they put as much “French usage” as they can on the “supposed” English pages of the site while the French pages ARE ALL FRENCH. And, often times when you click on a link you end up at a French ONLY or French dominant page. Just like how they handle everything else. WITH FRENCH DOMINANCE, PROMONMANCE and EXCLUSIVITY.
As you can see here in the first example I choose to take a look at. This is
THE FIRST ONE I tried.
http://www.gouv.qc.ca/portail/quebec/pgs/commun/asurveiller/calendrier/?lang=en
I didn’t have to try to find a second as it was evident on THE FIRST ONE I tried.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-yPuvFug6vyM/Ui9WMyi8xYI/AAAAAAAAAz0/a6T5WaZlaOk/w1208-h1412-no/French+government+site.png
Supposed to be the “English” web page but much of it is in French.
You may say it’s no big deal but, FIRSTLY it’[s SUPPOSED TO BE THE ENGLISH PAGE and secondly, it WOULD BE “A BIG DEAL” TO THE FRENCH if it were reversed. You can BET they would complain.
And don’t bother trying to justify the French on the English page with lame excuses like, “those events are French events.” Because, as a matter of sheer kindness” the words very well could be the English version despite what the event is or is not.”
There is an example which takes you from the English page to a TOTALLY French page.
Ethically, that is NOT right but, is a VIVID example of how the FRENCH typically deal with so called “bilingualism.”
http://youtu.be/AD-mHpMpBSw?t=4m29s
Let’s face it, they THE FRENCH — WANT FRENCH TO BE DOMINANT —
They have PROVEN this time and time again both inside the province of Quebec and also –
ANYWHERE ELSE where they find themselves with larger numbers OUTSIDE the province of Quebec as well
They have ZERO interest in bilingualism OR ENGLISH for that matter.
Their citizens (in that province which resides into the English dominant country of CANADA BTW) learn ONLY FRENCH
while their sneaky former “man with a plan” Pierre Elliot Trudeau made sure to “fix it” so that ALL the REST OF CANADA IS FORCED to learn French.
WHY? Well, to “accommodate” all the French who refuse to learn English, that’s why and to eventually make Canada “a French state” as he EVEN SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO. French from coast to coast.
WAKE UP PEOPLE…
These agitators know this and they will do everything and ANYTHING they can to sway you from thinking about this — as THE REALITY.
It’s the old “don’t worry, have a Valium” all over again.
But, it ain’t gonna work this time. PEOPLE – ARE – waking up.
Oh and, as for the courts in the province of Quebec (yes, still just a province). They frown down on the use of English so you’re likely to not get a favorable verdict from a judge if you request to have an English trial.
Unlike those who believe in ethics. Many of them live by and believe
— it’s ALL ABOUT promoting THE FRENCH LANGUAGE and being “part of the team.” —
And on that note, I wish you — Hungry — a “dream on” kind of day about how you claim the province of Quebec offers TRUE bilingualism in it’s courts and on the government web pages. Eh 🙂
ON September 10, 2013 at 11:20 am
stellabystarlight had an epiphany when she wrote, “Language on signs, highways, etc etc….is BS to rational people.”
You GOT IT… Thank goodness. YOU FIGURED IT OUT Stella.
This proves that it’s the French who are INDEED the irrational ones AS — they are THE ONES — that started all this cr@p with “language on signs” and how according to the “office of da screw the English language” in Quebec, the French had to be “twice bigger”
http://youtu.be/sxeQpGasEME?t=2m15s
So, please. Could you go tell the French this amazing Epiphany of yours Stella and how all this sign stuff “is indeed BS to rational people.”
Go ahead… Run along now.
And while your at it, be sure to have a nice “RATIONAL thought” kind of day eh 🙂
Oh and Hungry for truth (AKA: Lives for lies)
Speaking of English schools…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2Qs5SgyhUE&hd=1
Stella, restricting English in schools has been going on for years in Quebec, just the opposite of Ontario and French. This article says English students has dropped in one generation from 250,000 to 110,000. This is not keeping out the pesky English though as Quebec has more bilingual citizens than the rest of Canada combined.
http://www.vigile.net/Ottawa-sides-with-Quebec-to-limit
Not with standing to the rescue – http://scc.lexum.org/decisia-scc-csc/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/26/index.do?r=AAAAAQAVZW5nbGlzaCBzY2hvb2wgcXVlYmVjAAAAAAAAAQ
Hungry for the Truth…. September 10, 2013 at 11:17 am
The Information contained in this post is not second hand information.
This Information is taken directly from the Schools web site under Progams.
How can I say that they are not accurate. And there are hundreds that offer the
same English program in Quebec.
Who should I belive You Tube, an article in a newspaper or the web site of the provider? The schools has no reason to post false information.
Oh and, if you “dig a little bit more” on the English part of the “supposed” bilingual French government web site
you will VERY OFTEN find stuff like this
http://www4.gouv.qc.ca/EN/Portail/Citoyens/Evenements/retraite/Pages/accueil.aspx
“This guide is available in French only.”
Which is pretty much the norm with Quebec (government or otherwise) web sites.
Not very helpful for the Anglophone folks who are retiring is it?
But yet, the brainwashed among us — like HFTT (AKA: LFL) — and the agitator gang CLAIM — things are bilingual.
Yeah right !!
On the surface MAYBE.
But, dig just a little and voila. Another kick in the teeth.
Gee thanks…
It’s all just a phony bill of goods wrapped up in a nice big red
— opps, i mean BLUE .. fleur de lys style —
bow.
All Documents are printed in both official Languages
They my not be available Electronically all you have to do
is PRESS CANTACT US and they will forward you a copy
in ENGLISH.
Quebec Portal.
Contact Us
“The information staff of Services Québec are on hand to answer your questions on gouvernement du Québec programs and services. They can also help you obtain information or contact the service you are looking for.
You may contact Services Québec by phone or e-mail. You can also go in person to one of our offices and consult a member of the information staff.
If you are dissatisfied with the results of your inquiry, we urge you to inform our Bureau de la qualité.”
You suggest that this only happens in Quebec try this government site http://www.ucdsb.on.ca
Upper Canada School Board. One of thousands in Ontario.
Try these and you will be amazed how they are all 100% BILINGUAL.
You even have Retirement services 100% BILINGUAL.
http://www.msss.gouv.qc.ca/en/http:/
http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/index.html
http://www.revenuquebec.ca/en/
http://www.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/english/charter/index.html
http://www.opc.gouv.qc.ca/en/home/
http://www.afe.gouv.qc.ca/en/index.asp
http://www.rrq.gouv.qc.ca/en/services/services_en_ligne/Pages/services_en_ligne.aspx
http://www.justice.gouv.qc.ca/english/tribunaux/quebec/quebec-a.htm
And there is another 70 Government of Quebec sites that are 100% BILINGUAL.
Hungry for the Truth…. September 10, 2013 at 11:17 am
HUNGRY now other then offering English classes ,or English schooling is there in French schools offering English Emerson such as we have here in Ontario where in English schools 50/50 Emerson?
ON September 10, 2013 at 3:54 pm Hungry for the Truth (AKA: Lives for lies)
wrote, “All Documents are printed in both official Languages
They my not be available Electronically all you have to do
is PRESS CANTACT US and they will forward you a copy
in ENGLISH.
Quebec Portal.
Contact Us”
Ah yes. The old — treat the hinglish like da sh!t —
Yeah, just another example of them treating English as second class and YOU and your kind making excuses for it.
((( Do ya’ll even “GET” that this is happening to
those Anglophone citizens of CANADA INSIDE THEIR OWN COUNTRY and not in an independent country as Quebecestan likes to believe they are. )))
Just like how this infamous gent
http://youtu.be/JjEbOizpWUY?t=2m32s
(in Quebecestan) is making excuses and, as a result of how things work in that anti English “PROVINCE”, how he (and many others)
http://youtu.be/M5EYxb9K6oM?t=2m18s
end up making excuses on an ongoing basis.
PLUS: The dude that fined Buenonate’s Italian food restaurant for having the word pasta on their menu was labeled as “an over zealous young” employee.”
C’mon. We all know that had there been no media attention about it he would have been given a huge pat on the back for forcing the restaurant to change the word on the menu
Ah but, ya’ll should remember to have a “welcome to the STANS” kinda day eh 🙂
Like you usually do hungry for truth (AKA: Lives for lies), you are not peeling the onion. As just ONE example
(the first place i checked with your so called bilingual sites)
Just look below the surface.
When you go to this site you posted
http://www.revenuquebec.ca/en/
and click on “Employment” at the top
you get…
http://www.revenuquebec.ca/en/emplois/default.aspx
“This page is available in French only. To view it, click français.”
Yup, bilingual eh? NOT !!
More of the same cr@p showing how the English are treated by the French powers that be.
So, it turns out that your “pronunciation”
“And there is another 70 Government of Quebec sites that are 100% BILINGUAL.”
IS A BOLD FACED LIE.
Or, as you will likely refer to it as,
“a simple oversight on your part” because YOU BELIEVE in the cr@p they feed youo which you then try — to spew —
Give up. It’s a loosing cause. The French powers that be WANT NOTHING TO DO with the English or most any other races for that matter.
— PURE LAINE — is what they want as they do everything humanly possible to make life so difficult in order to drive EVERYONE but the French out of Quebecestan.
But, despite all of that, i would still — in all my kindness — like to wish you “your smoke screen has no takers around here” kinda day eh 🙂
HFTT, did you go to this site?http://www.opc.gouv.qc.ca/en/consumer/
Click on info for consumers and hover over each item, all French, stories we are following, all French.
Possibly some basic services are being dealt with, probably money related, as they should, but for the most part we get the feeling English is less than 2nd class. Hopefully people can understand we don’t want that in Ontario.
highlander September 10, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Ecole Gardenview School
700 Brunet Street
Saint-Laurent, Quebec
H4M 1Y2
French Immersion Programme
In Kindergarten and Cycle I all instruction is taught in the French language. Students are given an intensive immersion to the French language as all of the instruction is offered in French. This early immersion helps lay the ground work for acquiring French as a second language. In Cycle II, with the introduction of 50% English instruction, students begin an English language arts programme. In Cycle III, programmes in both languages are followed with time allotments used as guidelines: 50% English and 50% French. As most of our children are Anglophone, parents are encouraged to support and enrich the school programme by providing other opportunities to use French in the community, the home, radio, T.V. etc. Any such opportunity which broadens the child’s knowledge and understanding of French culture goes a long way to ensure the success of our programme.
Westmount High School
4350 St. Catherine St. West
Westmount, Quebec H3Z 1R1
Standards and Procedures
Please review these standards and procedures with your child to
ensure he/she understands the expectations of each course.
Francais Immersion
Secondary 1
Secondary 2
Secondary 3
Secondary 4 – UPDATED
Secondary 5
“English Immersion Programs to Expand in Quebec
Published by Emily Meloche on 2011-02-24
By Philip Authier – Montreal Gazette (excerpt)
French immersion is tried and true part of the English public school system. Education Department officials said Wednesday night that of the 110,000 students enrolled in the public English school system in Quebec, 39,189 – 36 per cent – take French immersion, mostly at the elementary level.
They were unable to provide comparative statistics for the French system but English immersion already exists in some ares. For example, of the 21 public schools in the Lac St. Jean region, 16 offer English immersion – in the same schools – in the latter part of Grade 6.”
And these are but a few of many that already exists and is being developed.
Eric September 11, 2013 at 8:04 am
“HFTT, did you go to this site?http://www.opc.gouv.qc.ca/en/consumer/
Click on info for consumers and hover over each item, all French, stories we are following, all French.
Possibly some basic services are being dealt with, probably money related, as they should, but for the most part we get the feeling English is less than 2nd class. Hopefully
people can understand we don’t want that in Ontario.”
Salut Eric,
Well… what can I say. We’ve gone from accusations of no English Services in Quebec to at the very least all Essential Information, 98% BILINGUAL.
I agree that it’s not perfect but no one should feel second class because current stories are not translated to English. All Essential Information is available in English.
“Hopefully people can understand we don’t want that in Ontario.”
Lets never forget that French is and will always be the Majority in Quebec. Like Franco-Ontarian know that the de facto Language is English Majority.
Beau travail HFTT…….wow so much for their stories.
What hftt posts is extremely deceptive and not what the concept of restrictive English education in quebec is what we are talking about.
There is NO FREE CHOICE IN EDUCATION in quebec
@gqo
Deception is hfft middle name, never trusted him from day #1
Quebec is a dictatorship, freedom is dead…
ON September 11, 2013 at 3:54 pm
gqo wrote, “What hftt posts is extremely deceptive and not what the concept of restrictive English education in quebec is what we are talking about.”
There is NO FREE CHOICE IN EDUCATION in quebec”
Absolutely right gqo and then, he simply ignores those who CALL HIM ON his cr@p.
As i did here when he tried to CLAIM all these Quebec web sites were get this — 100% bilingual —
which they are not even close.
edudyorlik September 10, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Like you usually do hungry for truth (AKA: Lives for lies), you are not peeling the onion. As just ONE example
(the first place i checked with your so called bilingual sites)
Just look below the surface.
When you go to this site you posted
http://www.revenuquebec.ca/en/
and click on “Employment” at the top
you get…
http://www.revenuquebec.ca/en/emplois/default.aspx
“This page is available in French only. To view it, click français.”
Yup, bilingual eh? NOT !!
More of the same cr@p showing how the English are treated by the French powers that be.
So, it turns out that your “pronunciation”
“And there is another 70 Government of Quebec sites that are 100% BILINGUAL.”
IS A BOLD FACED LIE.
@Stella
Here’s an idea, how about u write an LTE.None of your gang has submited a LTE to date.If your so right, please write. Love to hear your opinion *smile*
gqo September 11, 2013 at 3:54 pm
“we”
Who is WE?
This is information taken right off of the Service provider web site.
Why would they lie about the English curriculum services?
How do you see that English education in Quebec is restrictive?
HftT is no saying anything. The information speaks for itself.
@ gqo. Welcome to the Anglo freedom-fighter club! You are the thirteenth member! Congrats! Always remember to wear your aluminum-foil beanie when attending meetings or expressing your discontent. Never let your guard down. It’s a dangerous world out there.
Hungry for truth (AKA: Lives for lies) wrote, “I agree that it’s not perfect but no one should feel second class because current stories are not translated to English.
*** All Essential Information is available in English. ***”
Oh, so I guess “Employment” is not considered “essential” information then eh Hungry?
Because as you see here
————
When you go to this site which HFTT claimed was 100% bilingual
http://www.revenuquebec.ca/en/
and click on “Employment” at the top
you get…
http://www.revenuquebec.ca/en/emplois/default.aspx
“This page is available IN FRENCH ONLY. To view it, click français.”
Yup, bilingual eh? NOT !!
————-
Once again, erroneous information as — NOT —
“All Essential Information is available in English”
Oh but, of course not, they don’t HIRE ENGLISH PEOPLE there. That’s right. You pretty much HAVE TO SPEAK FRENCH to get employment there in that CANADIAN PROVINCE of Quebec which is supposed to be inside the country that you all keep saying is a bilingual country.
That’s why employment would not be considered essential.
OK, got it…
Just for you…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UWkUYLOUfE&hd=1
edudyorlik September 10, 2013 at 2:35 pm
“This guide is available in French only.
Which is pretty much the norm with Quebec (government or otherwise) web sites.
Not very helpful for the Anglophone folks who are retiring is it?”
When one is really looking they usually find Unless of course they have motives to twist the FACTS. What you claim above is inaccurate and FALSE.
Hungry for the Truth…. September 10, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Try these and you will be amazed how they are all 100% BILINGUAL.
You even have Retirement services 100% BILINGUAL.
http://www.rrq.gouv.qc.ca/en/services/services_en_ligne/Pages/services_en_ligne.aspx