Discrimination
Discrimination. The big D word. A word most readily used by many though rarely meritable in its’ use. In our contemporary world of political correctness, discrimination is one of many ‘buzzwords’ that forms a politicians’ lexicon of verbal spaghetti. Political figures love to throw around the idea that one group of people are often discriminated against by another group of people or even by a nation’s laws. It is a fantastic vote grabber for those most instrumental in the art of politics. The truth however, in this day and age, is that rarely are modern-day laws discriminatory in their practice, right?
Wrong!
Have you ever heard of the concepts of affirmative action or what we like to call employment equity in Canada? These are concepts that were instituted into Canadian law to help level the playing field for those who have traditionally suffered the ill consequences of discrimination; especially in the job market. Under the Constitution Act of 1982, containing the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms; equity legislation is detailed therein. The Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) is enforced by the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) and it is this commission that deals with whether or not discrimination has taken place in the workplace.
The following details the issue of Prohibited Grounds of Discrimination in Canada: (Belcourt, Bohlander, & Snell, Managing Human Resources, 5th Canadian Edition, 2008).
Race or colour
Religion
Physical or mental disability
Dependence on alcohol or drugs
Age
Sex
Marital status
Family status
Sexual orientation
National or ethnic origin (including linguistic background)
Ancestry of place of origin
Language
Social Condition or origin
Source of income
Assignment, attachment or seizure of pay
Based on association
Political belief
Record of criminal conviction
Pardoned conviction
While appearing like a fair and equitable approach to the issue of fairness in hiring practices; employment equity actually creates the framework for unfair hiring criteria – whereby the best qualified person may be the most successful candidate but may not be chosen due to government imposed employment equity legislation. Case-in-point; consider the possibility of two highly qualified candidates applying for the same government or private sector industry, job. One candidate, a qualified counselor who, as a child, was raised in the atmosphere of a same sex marriage; understands the very real social challenges faced by his/her same sex parents. One could surmise that not only is this individual qualified as a counselor; but has the added experience of being raised in a non-traditional family setting, outside of the traditional nuclear family. The other candidate is also a highly qualified counselor but is a homosexual. By the very definition and reasoning for employment equity, chances are that the successful candidate will be chosen due to his/her sexuality and not necessarily for his/her skills.
Another scenario if you will. Imagine an Aboriginal couple fostering a non-Aboriginal child who is raised and immersed in Aboriginal culture. He/she has a university/college education associated with his/her chosen field; speaks an Aboriginal language, is well-versed in the culture and customs associated with the First Nation and has all the credentials required of someone who could work for a government or non-government Aboriginal organization. The other candidate also has some or most of these qualifications but has one added qualification. Their ethnicity or race is of a First Nation. Once again, by the very definition and reasoning for employment equity, chances are that the successful candidate will be chosen due to his/her ethnicity or race and not necessarily for his/her skills.
Sound like rare or improbable cases and scenarios to you? I can attest that they’re not. They’re increasingly happening everyday in Canada and Human Resources professionals have had to contend with the issue of unfair hiring criteria that these laws have created since at least 1995 with the Employment Equity Act.
If you think at this point that our Canadian employment laws are unfair and unjustified then I have even more bad news for you. Consider the above information I’ve provided about Employment Equity. Add to this the increasingly unfair bilingual language requirements as well and you can see where things are headed. A politically correct society where in the quest for fairness we’ve permitted a very unfair system to flourish unchallenged by the people themselves. We need to ask ourselves if Canada’s employment and language laws are really a reflection of what we encompass and value as a society or if our various levels of government are attempting through social engineering, to shape and mould the people’s consciousness to the system itself. In other words, do the people work for the system or should the system work for the people?
Ever heard of the concept of a ‘bona fide occupational qualification’? Believe it or not, this concept currently exists in Canada and it allows for discrimination in hiring! That’s right folks. You read that correctly. In the very ‘Act’, the Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) whose existence is to prohibit discriminatory hiring practices there exists government-sponsored discriminatory hiring! As Belcourt et al. reports (2008):
The act applies to all federal government departments and agencies, to Crown corporations, and to other businesses and industries under federal jurisdiction, such as banks, airlines, railway companies, and insurance and communications companies. For those areas not under federal jurisdiction, protection is available under provincial human rights laws. Provincial laws, although very similar to federal ones, do differ from province to province. Every province and territory has a human rights act (or code), and each has jurisdiction prohibiting discrimination in the workplace. The prohibited grounds of discrimination in employment include race, religion, sex, age, national or ethnic origin, physical handicap, and marital status…Employers are permitted to discriminate if employment preferences are based on a bona fide occupational qualifications (BFOQ) or BFOR (bona fide occupational requirement). A BFOQ is justified if the employer can establish necessity for business operations. In other words, differential treatment is not discrimination if there is a justifiable reason. (106)
This sounds an awful lot like Orwell’s, Animal Farm, where Commandment #7 which originally stated that:
“All animals are equal”
Was eventually changed to,
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”
Is this the kind of Canada we want to live and work in? Surely the ideology of an individual’s rights should trump group rights in all respects. Should it not? Otherwise, we need to ask ourselves if we truly live in a democracy where all citizens enjoy the same rights and privileges as all others. As of this writing, the majority of our citizenry cannot work for their civil service or hold the highest office of the land due to nothing more than a lack of knowledge of one of Canada’s minority languages.
Please keep in mind that,
“All Canadians are equal, but some Canadians are more equal than others”
Cory Cameron
Timmins, On
Sunday August 25, 2013
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@hfft (aka lives for lies)
Re: 9-14-13 6:11pm
So now the truth is out for all to read, you do work for someone else as suspected.Possibly CCH PR department….Are donations still down???
Interesting, very interesting…
Can’t wait for press release!!!
Hungry for the Truth…. September 14, 2013 at 6:11 pm
“Why don’t you look into why and how the transfer works before asserting lies again. And as for trampling the minority
English population that is your opinion and not all “readers”
agree. ”
Hungry you say Cory is asserting lies -yet you provide no info to back this up -so therfore your “hearsay” it what the readers should believe?
You do not realaize that in this forum far many more readers that there is trampling of minority English rights then those (stella ,Furtz and yourself) that do not.
“History…..it’s been happening long before the Separatist where ever elected. It’s not their projects that brought French Canadians to Ontario it’s been going on for allot longer”
They have been here as long as they can exploit jobs ,in Cornwall it was latter 1800’s when Cornwall became industrialized.
“Then why would you have to discover whom you are debating? Make up your mind. I do not seek to PEG anyone but the issue. It’s not personal.”
“It’s not personal.”Oh but you have by insulting others as bella ,myself ,Kilroy ,Cory and many others and lest not forget your Aug 30 comment that put blame on all French peoples woes on the ENGLISH.
You English know who you are :
English,Irish,Scottish,Italians ,Chineese,Germans,Polish,and the near 200 other cultures that SPEAK ENGLISH.
“SHHH…..SHHHH. Quite. I’ll say like your spokesperson said you never let your opponent know your coming. You creep up on them in the night. How creepy is that.”
Oh lives for lies that is but another of your lies -show me where those words were said there lives for you moniker lies.
“Of course Cory I will make it public. It may not be me, but they will have a press conference. I’m not looking for recognition just results. Paper trail? I’m not a suspicious sort. I will be happy with their word and the results. The RESULTS will suffice as evidence.”
hahahahahahah ya right…usually the one that says they are not looking for recognition usually does not say so and this implies that you are!
Lets see it there Hungry lets see what has been accomplished so far .
Man you remain ambigious !Cory is so very right Talleyrand better suits you ,you remain evasive with your double speak and your content of writting is always indirect and the intent to distract from the subject .
We know one thing YOU are here for a purpose and considering your hate filled rant on Aug 30 towards all people that Happen to speak English ,we know your intent .
You belong in the company of the PQ and madam separatist with your ideals as spelled out that Aug 30 post.
Oh yes I figured I would show you how one admits wrong as you are incapable of admitting so on those many occasions that you have been .
A simple I WAS WRONG would work ,or how about I LIED, what would work for you as you prefer to remain indirect on subject materials:
I was misinformed as the information was misconscrewed in a format that was not becoming of a proper research based study and that information could be decifered in several opposing arguments ,therefore my answer was not incorrect based on the information that was conscrewed and the aguments therein.
The whole point to all of this is why would one write comments that would in effect distract or in the very least with double speak attempt to confuse the readers?
Cory your comment and posting rings true ,that poster needs to address the reader in cominality as oppossed to AN ATTEMPT at superiority.
yorlik wrote: They want French first, French dominant and French ONLY. AND THAT IS SIMPLY JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE outside of Quebec. PERIOD.
Hmmm It is not happening outside of Quebec……so don’t get your shorts in a knot.
HFTT wrote: It may not be me, but they will have a press conference. I’m not looking for recognition just results.
One doesn’t have to grandstand, rally, engage and disrupt a nation to get things done.
HFTT wrote: Civility and respect are always good ingredients to utilize when seeking a resolution. And I intend to use an over dose of both.
Good for you HFTT…..very good approach!!! Criticizing doesn’t accomplish anything
cory wrote: Do the reading public a favour and change your moniker to Hungry for the Agenda; will you?
Unbelievable statement coming from a LFA member. Wasn’t hiring practises and alleged discrimination complaints at the CCH the reason the LFA came to be?
Yet we have someone, who from the beginning, claimed that he does not agree with the hiring practises and you are trying to ridicule him. Shameful is what it is.
What is wrong with you guys? Does it bother you that someone else may get the job done? Are you afraid to lose credibility because a group with a more professional approach accomplished something that you could not?
Should we not, as a community, be enthused and encouraged that a change may be on the horizons for those in nursing?
Get off of your bandwagon and get serious about local issues.
“What is wrong with you guys? Does it bother you that someone else may get the job done? Are you afraid to lose credibility because a group with a more professional approach accomplished something that you could not?
Should we not, as a community, be enthused and encouraged that a change may be on the horizons for those in nursing?
Get off of your bandwagon and get serious about local issues.”
No it doesn’t bother me at all that others may get the job done. As-a-matter-of-fact Madame Stella, I think it’s high time that someone else finally take the reigns as it were and do something about the issue instead of a few dozen concerned citizens doing all the work. I actually find it kinda refreshing too that someone else has decided to. It gets rather tiring to attend protests, write to elected officials and such. Boy, it must be said, I’ve never read so much crap coming from someone such as yourself with so little accomplished? True, LFA may not have garneshed much change in regards to changing the status quo – but we’ve done our best to shed light on the hiring situation.
Pray, do tell, what can you say that you’ve accomplished in this endeavor of fair hiring practices?
I’ll fill in that gap if you will. 3+ years of demonizing LFA members and the organizations of LFA, CLF and Howard Galganov; and that’s honestly about all.
You admitted to us that you actually drove by some of our protests and thought about how silly all of it was.
Until Hungry for the Truth began his sermons on CFN you were, for the most part; totally against any change in hiring practices at CCH. What’s more, until your knight in shining armour showed up you were pretty much dead set against any change in hiring practices at all and you supported the status quo – thinking that there was no problem whatsoever with them.
Stella, what is your objective in all of this?
“Should we not, as a community, be enthused and encouraged that a change may be on the horizons for those in nursing?”
Absolutely! What’s more; we should all have taken a proactive approach in all of this. The hospital services everyone and so everyone should have contributed to the betterment of their community; and not just a few dozen concerned part-time English nurses and civil rights people.
The likes of personalities such as yourself and HFTT are nothing more than opportunists who sway with the prevailing winds.
Hang your civil servant’s heads in shame,
Cory.
English Lassie September 15, 2013 at 3:35 am
“Methinks he needs to see a Doctor for a bad case of amnesia…”
“Ontario is soon to have surplus of medical professionals, this should surely decrease our wait times, lol…”
LOL…ME thinks you’ll be surprised. The Doctors will only speak French. If they are coming from Quebec. The English minority have no English speaking Doctors.
English, your buddy Highlander and you seem to share your get up early schedule. I guess you are both early risers. Check your time stamps. LOL….. ???
English Lassie September 15, 2013 at 3:19 am
“Did I miss the referendum, since when is Quebec a country??”
Check your buddy King of rants posts.
“I would welcome Ontario to embrace English as it’s OL, it is the common language…”
Have you been sleeping? Ontario’s official Language is ENGLISH.
Ontario’s de facto language is ENGLISH.
If you are French in Ontario and apply for a job and do not speak English-French you do not get the job. ENGLISH is the businesses language like French is the businesses language in Quebec.
WELCOME TO ONTARIO.
Cory Cameron September 14, 2013 at 11:42 pm
“ How is it that you deny being a politician and yet you insist that an organization may have a press conference in response to something you’re doing?”
“Are you now Hungry for Power?”
Where am I insisting?
I answered your question.
“Will you inform CFN in an official capacity?”
You bet your boots I will.
And will even guarantee that no authorities will be called to
have any one escorted out. Civility and respect are always good
ingredients to utilize when seeking a resolution. And I intend to
use an over dose of both.
Unless the damage done from your attempt is irreparable.
Pending the details of that incident, at this point I have every
intention to ask that the story be Breaking News on CFN.
It’s not to inform of what I’m doing. It’s to inform those that have claimed to have an interest to see fairness to all in the Hiring Policies.
NO POWER HUNGER. Decimation of the results. Not of what I’m doing. Not about my personal accomplishments. RESULTS.
You’ll notice I wrote “have every intention to ASK”
Again Cory I’m not a politician.
That you have such a deplorable view of politicians does not say much for your politician friend Howard Galganov.
English Lassie September 15, 2013 at 3:51 am
“So now the truth is out for all to read,”
What truth. ASSUMPTIONS not truth.
“ you do work for someone else as suspected.”
ASSUMPTIONS not truth.
“Possibly CCH PR department….”
SUGGESTIVE ASSUMPTION not truth.
“Are donations still down???”
I don’t know, but I take it it’s public Info. You can find out.
“Interesting, very interesting…”
I agree that your provocative suggestive assumptions are indeed INTERESTING.
@Stella
Allo, Bonjour!
I hope stella that you will respond to,
Cory Cameron September 15, 2013 at 11:02 am
He’s spewing hostility and insults at the same time as he’s saying that he’s pleased that something will finally be done about Unfair Hiring Practices in Cornwall.
Talk about “double negatives” and spewing from both sides of his mouth.
“He’s spewing hostility and insults at the same time as he’s saying that he’s pleased that something will finally be done about Unfair Hiring Practices in Cornwall.
Talk about “double negatives” and spewing from both sides of his mouth.”
Why not also point out the fact that Stella instigated those very insults I typed, HFTT; in response to her?
Do you not see the following from Stella as instigating:
“What is wrong with you guys? Does it bother you that someone else may get the job done? Are you afraid to lose credibility because a group with a more professional approach accomplished something that you could not?”
Once again though I took the bait in responding to Stella’s tirade -which led to you making reference to me doing so.
Call me human in defending myself.
I only wish I can one day summon the courage and humility to one day refer to you as human, HFTT.
A personal fault of mine nontheless.
Hungry for the Truth,
How difficult will it be though to do all of your work incognito in regards to tackling the unfair hiring practices of CCH?
Hungry,
Where were you 3 years ago during the beginning of the fight back against these unfair hiring practices?
Just curious as to your whereabouts and to why so suddenly you appeared on the scene?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GUkNVjM4Gc&hd=1
@stellabystarlight RE: Assertion on September 15, 2013 at 8:45 am
yorlik wrote: They want French first, French dominant and French ONLY. AND THAT IS SIMPLY JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE outside of Quebec. PERIOD.
Hmmm It is not happening outside of Quebec……so don’t get your shorts in a knot.”
Oh? OK then, can you tell me if Embrun is inside or outside of Quebec Stella ?
No fancy side steps just answer. Is it Embrun, ONTARIO or Embrun, Quebec ?
Cory Cameron September 15, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Hungry for the Truth,
“How difficult will it be though to do all of your work incognito in regards tackling the unfair hiring practices of CCH?”
Why do you assume I will be “incognito”?
My objective is to present a solid argument for them to consider
as an alternative measuring formula. My goal is not to publicly
embarrass any one and point fingers.
Why would I need Media to cover a meeting?
I can get much done without a spot light.
I’m looking for RESULTS not fame.
Many things are accomplished in this world by people that are
never seen but heard.
@HFTT, cory is cory and has been cory for going on three and a half years now. That will never change.
cory wrote: I think it’s high time that someone else finally take the reigns as it were and do something about the issue instead of a few dozen concerned citizens doing all the work.
That sounds like a lament to me. This issue is your baby. You should be the one to finish what you started.
cory wrote: I’ve never read so much crap coming from someone such as yourself with so little accomplished?
First off, I never committed to fulfill any accomplishments regarding unfair hiring practises. From day one, I said I was not convinced that the CCH was guilty of discrimination, therefore, I did not get involved. If you and your cohorts felt so strongly and could prove that in fact there was discrimination, why was nothing done at the time of the occurrence? We wouldn’t be having this debate and it would have set a precedent for the future hiring practises…..had you won.
cory wrote: Until Hungry for the Truth began his sermons on CFN you were, for the most part; totally against any change in hiring practices at CCH.
You nor your followers had anything tangible to say nor was your demeanor and actions convincing at the time. After reading the debates and giving it some thought I come to the conclusion that perhaps there may be room for improvement.
My objective is plain and simple. PEACE!! UNITY!! BROTHERLY LOVE. LIVE AND LET LIVE……if everyone would give it a try, what a wonderful world it would be.
Those who can’t forget are worse off than those who can’t remember.
Cory Cameron September 15, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Hungry,
“Where were you 3 years ago during the beginning of the fight back against these unfair hiring practices?”
Committed to other responsibilities that did not allow me the time
to get actively involved. I was “INCOGNITO”
“Just curious as to your whereabouts and to why so suddenly you appeared on the scene?”
What does it matter where I was? And who says I just suddenly
appeared? I’ve been following the issue for much of the time just never posted on CFN.
It would be foolish to think that the majority of those affected by these Unfair Practices all agree with what some advocate in this forum.
They are smarter than I. They don’t want to be bashed, insulted or verbally assaulted so they stay away and do not post an opposing view. Their silence should never interpreted as support or agreement with a radical agenda.
Hungry nails it again! “I’m looking for RESULTS not fame.”
Other than a half-baked web site and endlessly squawking on CFN, what exactly is LFA doing to correct the unfair hiring policy at the CCH?
cory wrote: Do you not see the following from Stella as instigating:
“What is wrong with you guys? Does it bother you that someone else may get the job done? Are you afraid to lose credibility because a group with a more professional approach accomplished something that you could not?”
@cory….the reason I responded the way I did is because you and your buddies were being obnoxious about HFTT’s good intentions in trying to address the hiring issues in this city.
Hungry for the Truth…. September 14, 2013 at 6:59 am
“Separation is not the only option. Respecting ones Heritage and allowing Quebecers to florish and grow within it’s own Country’s Heritage”
So now you define Quebec as its own country !
This was not a REFERENCE to kilroy .
So separation is not the only answer yet at the same time you refer to it as acountry ….hmmmmmmmmm…. interesting.
“My objective is to present a solid argument for them to consider
as an alternative measuring formula. My goal is not to publicly
embarrass any one and point fingers.”
Great run with that ,as you said your only interested in local hiring issue ….no you need not comment on other issues as you have said this before .
But at last the written diarrhea will continue and you need an immodium for that .
Once again your meca (Quebec ) with YET ANOTHER discriminatory laws (Quebec’s charter of values)ahem what a joke .
The international media has picked up on this as well ,nothing like international media to show canadians how wrong therse laws are …remember soccer and turbins …or pasta gate …oh ya bill 14 as well .
QUEBEC HAS BECOME A RACIST PROVINCE and the world is taking notice and this shames the rest of Canada ,perhaps its time that the rest of Canada take charge and BOOT THE WELFARE PROVINCE OUT FOR BAD BEHAVIOUR .
It sickens all CANADIANS that internationally we are looking like rascist society because of one province.
I have been for a united Canada all this time ,but actions like this is only encouraging the rest of Canada to boot out the rascist province .
Funny Quebec has referenced Alberta are rednecks ,but man Quebec has proven to be that and much more!
But its usually the ones that are racially biased that acuses others of being so.
Say good by to Quebec economically its done ,its more concerned of its social ethnicity then its HUGE FINANCIAL ISSUES.
Welcome to Quebecs downfall at its own making ….but at last with its revisionist approach to history I am sure it will be the ENGLISH TO BLAME.
Like YOU have blamed all English for Quebec’s woes !All English being Irish ,English,Scottish ,Italians ,Polish ,Jews and whoever else speaks English out of those 200 cultures their all to blame for Quebec’s problems.
YOUR Aug 30th post only proved that you blame all those English speakers for Quebec’s problems,its always easier to cast others for ones own problems if one is not willing to except their fault.
Enough said you remain no different then your Quebec brethren !
stellabystarlight September 15, 2013 at 4:48 pm
“What is wrong with you guys? Does it bother you that someone else may get the job done? Are you afraid to lose credibility because a group with a more professional approach accomplished something that you could not?”
What group are you refering to ….oops cats out of the bag there!
Furtz September 15, 2013 at 4:38 pm
‘Other than a half-baked web site and endlessly squawking on CFN, what exactly is LFA doing to correct the unfair hiring policy at the CCH?’
WHAT HAVE YOU EXACTLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE CONVERSATION IN ALL THIS TIME OTHER THEN BEING ANTAGONISTIC ……WAIT……… NOTHING !
Hey Stella
Embrun ? Quebec or Ontario? C’mon. That’s not a hard one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LDU4_lvZoo&hd=1
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Stella wrote, “My objective is plain and simple. PEACE!! UNITY!! BROTHERLY LOVE. LIVE AND LET LIVE……if everyone would give it a try, — what a wonderful world it would be. — ”
YUP http://youtu.be/QgqbeTL0lwE?t=30s
As for this suggestion. I agree. Let’s start in “the province” of Quebec, shall we?
Highlander September 15, 2013 at 5:07 am
“Hungry you say Cory is asserting lies -yet you provide no info to back this up -so therfore your “hearsay” it what the readers should believe?”
I have provided plenty of posted evidence on the subject. LOOK IT UP.
“You do not realaize that in this forum far many more readers that there is trampling of minority English rights then those (stella ,Furtz and yourself) that do not.”
This is what I wrote.
And as for trampling the minority English population that is your opinion and not all agree. Not all readers post. And they do not all agree with such radical antics.
Thank-You for agreeing that Cory’s assertion is incorrect.
Cory Cameron wrote.
“Their projects have grown to such an extent that they’ve spilled into Eastern Ontario as well.”
Highlander wrote;
“They have been here as long as they can exploit jobs ,in Cornwall it was latter 1800′s when Cornwall became industrialized.”
“It’s not personal.”Oh but you have by insulting others as bella ,myself ,Kilroy ,Cory and many others and lest not forget your Aug 30 comment that put blame on all French peoples woes on the ENGLISH.
BACK UP YOUR CLAIM. SHOW ME. FAIR WARNING. WHEN YOU POINT THE FINGER THERE IS FOUR POINTING BACK. YOU ARE NOT BLAMELESS IN THE AREA OF SPEWING INSULTS.
RECOUNTING AN EXCERT OF HISTORY WAS NOT TO INSULT ANYONE. I DID NOT INSULT ANYONE. THE FACTS AND CONTENT OF THE HISTORICAL ACTIONS THAT MOST ENGLISH CANADIANS WILL NOT RECOGNIZE. AND JUDGING BY THE
WAY YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP AND CALLING ME AN ENGLISH HATER ????? IS VERY TELLING.
SHHH…..SHHHH. Quite. I’ll say like your spokesperson said you never let your opponent know your coming. You creep up on them in the night. How creepy is that.
“Show me where those words were said there”
Highlander August 22, 2013 at 4:32 pm
“but leave it to us to voice our concerns and not create a strategy on this site ,as the best chest moves are the ones well thought out WELL in advance and your opponent remains unaware of.”
Liberally interpreted: You creep up on them in the night.
“hahahahahahah ya right…usually the one that says they are not looking for recognition usually does not say so and this implies that you are!”
It may be your case. Not mine. Don’t project your shortcomings unto me.
“We know one thing YOU are here for a purpose and considering your hate filled rant on Aug 30 towards all people that Happen to speak English ,we know your intent .”
Show me with factual evidence where I wrote that I hated any one. YOUR WORDS AND TWIST.
I posted historical content. I never said I HATED. YOU ARE CALLING ME A HATER.
“Oh yes I figured I would show you how one admits wrong as you are incapable of admitting so on those many occasions that you have been .”
Does it look like this?
Hungry for the Truth…. August 23, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Thank-You for the info I stand corrected. Sorry about that.
Hungry for the Truth…. September 3, 2013 at 6:05 pm
@bella
Please accept my apologies. I found your reference to your
claim. It does exist. I stand corrected.
And if you want more just have a look. I have no problem apologizing when I’m wrong. I’s not a disease to be wrong.
“The whole point to all of this is why would one write comments that would in effect distract or in the very least with double speak attempt to confuse the readers?”
The answer is simple. It’s your interpretation. You confuse disagreeing opinions as distraction. Sorry that not agreeing with you and others confuses you.
@ Stella. I’m not sure, but I think Cory is still recovering from being addressed in French at the Timmins post office. Add to that the trauma of seeing a French language sign by the side of highway 11 in north Ontario, and it’s a recipe for serious anxiety, and possibly PTSD.
@ Cory. Take care of yourself.
Highlander September 15, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Hungry for the Truth…. September 14, 2013 at 6:59 am
Separation is not the only option. Respecting ones Heritage and allowing Quebecers to flourish and grow within it’s own Country’s Heritage.
“So now you define Quebec as its own country !”
TWIST AND TWIST AND TWIST AND TWIST is this all you can do?
WITHIN IT’S OWN COUNTRY? AS FAR AS I KNOW QUEBEC SHARE’S THE CANADAIN HERITAGE WHICH INTIL YOU GET YOUR WAY IS STILL WITHIN “THEIR OWN COUNTRY.”
“Welcome to Quebecs downfall at its own making ….but at last with its revisionist approach to history I am sure it will be the ENGLISH TO BLAME.
Like YOU have blamed all English for Quebec’s woes !All English being Irish ,English,Scottish ,Italians ,Polish ,Jews and whoever else speaks English out of those 200 cultures their all to blame for Quebec’s problems.”
REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT …OVER AND OVER AGAIN
AND AGAIN THE SAME OLD THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
“YOUR Aug 30th post only proved that you blame all those English speakers for Quebec’s problems,its always easier to cast others for ones own problems if one is not willing to except their fault.”
REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT …OVER AND OVER AGAIN
AND AGAIN THE SAME OLD THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT …OVER AND OVER AGAIN
AND AGAIN THE SAME OLD THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT …OVER AND OVER AGAIN
AND AGAIN THE SAME OLD THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
stellabystarlight September 15, 2013 at 4:19 pm
@HFTT, cory is cory and has been cory for going on three and a half years now. That will never change.
I know Stella I’ve been watching “Incognito” for a while now. I also know that not agreeing to share my personal co-ordinates was a good thing.
The contacts I’ve made so far, the first thing I was asked was If I was associated in any way with Cory or his brother or their groups. They’re not taken serious at all. I did not create that reputation. They did that on their own.
Nonetheless, all I can do is try and see where it leads. I’m expecting good results based on the respectful welcome I’ve been extended.
This whole posting is all about bitc**ng and complaining and blaming which will never amount to anything more than destroying good people.
If only the people that do not post here could be heard. This little group of a few would soon realize that they do not have as much support as they pretentiously claim when they speak with such superiority.
Thank-You for your kind words and perseverance. As they say you never attract bees with vinegar. Honey is always a sweeter deal.
Hungry for the Truth…. September 15, 2013 at 6:39 pm
“So now you define Quebec as its own country !”
TWIST AND TWIST AND TWIST AND TWIST is this all you can do?
WITHIN IT’S OWN COUNTRY? AS FAR AS I KNOW QUEBEC SHARE’S THE CANADAIN HERITAGE WHICH INTIL YOU GET YOUR WAY IS STILL WITHIN “THEIR OWN COUNTRY.”
So, Quebec IS NOT a separate country / nation then, right Hungry for truth (AKA: Lives for lies)?
REPEAT AND France lost the war and ceded ALL OF CANADA to the British. REPEAT AND REPEAT France lost the war and ceded ALL OF CANADA to the British AND REPEAT AND REPEAT
REPEAT France lost the war and ceded ALL OF CANADA to the British AND REPEAT AND REPEAT France lost the war and ceded ALL OF CANADA to the British AND REPEAT AND REPEAT
I WILL NEVER STOP reminding you and anyone else Hungry.
REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT
Oh? OK then, can I see your doing “the cricket dance” again eh Stella?
Is Embrun is inside or outside of Quebec Stella ?
No fancy side steps just answer.
Is it Embrun, ONTARIO or Embrun, Quebec ?
You people are such gems, ya know that. Real freakin gems.
What kind of gems i won’t say but… not in the diamond or ruby genre 🙂
Hungry for the Truth…. September 14, 2013 at 6:59 am
“I’m working on it, and it still is my wish and motivation to do so.” (When questioned about CCH hiring policies)
“I will keep you posted of the developements with the CCH Unfair Hiring Practices.”
Hungry for the Truth…. September 14, 2013 at 6:11 pm
“Of course Cory I will make it public. It may not be me, but they will have a press conference. I’m not looking for recognition just results. Paper trail? I’m not a suspicious sort. I will be happy with their word and the results. The RESULTS will suffice as evidence.”
Now folks. ask yourself this. Who as a private citizen, with no power base whatsoever, insists the above. It is very telling of this, ‘HFTT’s’confidence. Who in their right mind, (if not an insider to the CCH), insists this kind of thing above?
Hungry for the Truth…. September 14, 2013 at 10:09 pm
“Well, ambiguous? That’s a new one. I have written thousands of documents in my life and this is the first time someone tells me that I’m not clear in the delivery of my message.”
Written thousands of documents in your life? Hymmm? I think you are being sincere. Sir, you’re obviously a person of some influence who’s not just a private citizen. You’re coming from some sort of power base here.
“I did not develop a “writing style approach” to use on CFN. It’s the same “style” that I have utilized in my personal and professional life. Which has served me well, UNTIL NOW.”
Hungry for the Truth…. September 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm
“You bet your boots I will.
And will even guarantee that no authorities will be called to
have any one escorted out. Civility and respect are always good
ingredients to utilize when seeking a resolution. And I intend to
use an over dose of both.
Unless the damage done from your attempt is irreparable.
Pending the details of that incident, at this point I have every
intention to ask that the story be Breaking News on CFN.”
Hungry for the Truth…. September 15, 2013 at 3:58 pm
“I can get much done without a spot light.
I’m looking for RESULTS not fame.”
Who in this world nowadays, gets much done without a spot light? Perhaps you could contact some prominent Environmentalists HFTT as they would love some insight into your approach methodologies.
“Many things are accomplished in this world by people that are
never seen but heard.”
I would agree. Employees, Board members etc. of an organization. I’m still trying to decide which are you. I’m now leaning towards the conclusion of a high ranking civil servant having something to do with bridging the gap of French/English services. Maybe something to do with the ‘Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages’? 🙂
Hungry for the Truth…. September 1, 2013 at 2:25 pm
@stella
Tu perds ton temps a repondre a toutes les stupidites.
C’est la meme personne. Check mes posts de
Hungry for the Truth…. August 31, 2013 at 11:07 am
Hungry for the Truth…. August 31, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Hungry for the Truth…. August 31, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Toutes les noms c’est lui. Le grand manitou du groupe.
Check le style avec les ,,,,,,????!!!!!
BTW,,,,……. c’est un malade…… Il prend le monde pour des fous.
Moi j’ perds plus mon temps avec lui.
So now we know that this individual is bilingual; judging from his message towards Stella.
Hungry for the Truth…. August 28, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Cory Cameron August 28, 2013 at 6:16 pm
“Well Roger. This is why I attempted to get the e-mail of Hungry for the Truth from our moderator so that he and I could have worked on a template to perhaps bring to the Board of Directors to the CCH detailing a more fair hiring criteria.”
“Cory,
At this time I do not consent to giving you my e-mail. I’m a person that enjoys working with people that truly have a keen interest and respect in validating everyone’s input as equally important and valuable. It has been made clear from your groups spokesperson what I should do with my opinions and input. And at this time I truly believe I will get more accomplished.”
No one can fault me for trying to work with HFTT, right?
“We have never met and already criticism and insults are being swirled around like it was candy. I will post the outcome of my meetings very soon. I also do not agree with need to have outside media present during a civil meeting. I can guarantee you that no one will call the cops or security to have me escorted off the premises. I am a civil, respectful and professional human being that does not believe that belittlement, belligerence and confrontation are productive tools, when seeking a favourable outcome in the effort of affecting change.”
So unlike what you’ve stated HFTT, it’s been a little more than two weeks, right since beginning the crusade to affect hiring changes at CCH?
“The contacts I’ve made so far, the first thing I was asked was If I was associated in any way with Cory or his brother or their groups. They’re not taken serious at all. I did not create that reputation. They did that on their own.”
Well, if not taken seriously at all HFTT, then why was I or my bother even mentioned by your contacts whatsoever? 🙂 I mean surely, if so inconsequential to the whole issue? And too, if not taken seriously at all, why have the authorities been called during our peaceful protests?
And too, perhaps members of CCH management can answer those and many other questions on this forum and not a ‘private’ citizen with the moniker, ‘Hungry for the Truth’?!
Good morning Edudyorlik,
I would like to comment on something you posted on the latest Marois article. I’m posting it in this forum because I think it’s more relevant on this one.
You wrote towards Stella:
“Oh and, since you are so at peace as a — Francophone minority — living comfortably in Ontario, could you please go arrange for the Anglophone minority living in Quebec to be as free and comfortable as you are here in Ontario. I am POSITIVE they would appreciate being able to use their own language (English) in equal ways that the French are in that province.
You know, as equal size on signs and on their moving vans and so on. And please tell your clan that treating people like SH!T
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GUkNVjM4Gc&hd=1
just because they ask very politely ask for information in the LANGUAGE of the country they live in is really not nice.
It is obvious to ANYONE who takes just a split second to open their eyes that the Canadian citizens (many of them) ARE NOT — IN THE LAND OF THE FREE — THERE in that repressive and backwards Xenophobic province.
ah but wait, the stuff int he video is made up and fabricated isn’t it?
What I don’t understand, Edudyorlik and Highlander is that Stella and company continue to highlight our comments and respond to them. I am beginning to agree with them though – that Canadians really don’t care what is on their signs or what language they can work in. I’m disappointed in this people’s (Canadians) lack of resolve or lack of caring towards these issues. They really are in fact, sheeple.
There is no civil war. No break up of Quebec and we’re experiencing more of the same now as ever before. More English rights being trampled in Ontario and everyone’s rights in Quebec being trampled other than the Francophones of course. So with Francophone ethnocentrism winning out everywhere in Canada, why would Stella and company continue to demonize the few speaking out against it? When she knows in fact that she has everything going for her and all the advantages of First Class Citizenship in all things Canada?
I guess she and a few others hate everything non-Francophone that exists in this country? There is no other explanation for her continued commentary on these Freedom or language-related issues. She has already stated numerous times that she reads and comments only because it’s, ‘entertaining’ as she has put it.
As she has highlighted and is increasingly proving correct in her assertions, I’m not under any pretenses to believe that the English care about their rights in this nation, whatsoever.
I’m not trying to solicit/elicit public support at all in this forum. I just felt it nice to realize their were others posting on here as well who shared the same ideas and felt the same way that I do. It really does feel like a support group as more and more of us are becoming disenchanted and disenfranchised on a daily basis.
I will continue to watch English and other non-Francophone’s rights disappear in Canada with a watchful eye and will day by day feel heartbroken that these people will never wake up…
@hfft
So do you go “incognito” when u meet with the powers that be to discuss the unfair hiring practices @ Cornwall Community Hospital???
Who have u meet with, waiting for updates ever so patiently…
Starting to freeze over in HELL I’d say, lol…
*smile*
Oh yah & have yourself a “lives for lies” kinda day !
Hungry for the Truth…. August 30, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Roger Roy August 29, 2013 at 9:28 am
“Canadians DO NOT know their history, despite the fact that we consider ourselves well educated.”
Roger, we do not have to go so far back in history to find historical evidence that French-language Canadians have been discriminated against. As you’ve said “those who not remember the past are condemned to repeat it”. I would add to that “Those who not or WILL NOT remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
All that is being said, written, exchanged or debated about languages is lacking of historical and contextual references in my opinion.
The injurious criticism of French Canadian culture and more specifically targeting Quebecers, appears to be a reenactment, of a time that most English Canadians conveniently omit to recollect or admit to, when they accuse Quebecers of being xenophobic.
The well documented history of the struggles for the survival of the French Canadian language and culture, would not lend itself well, as a script to become a Disney movie. Some would describe it more, like a, Stephen King novel. The survival, and the Right
of use, of the French Canadian language, have been historically forced into defending itself in the face of war, battles, blood shed, unfair Laws and practices of discrimination against it.
As noted above, most English Canadians omit the recollection of this time in history. They openly accuse the French Canadians. Never accepting any wrong doing. They discard the factual reality of the historical actions of injustices and unfairness, that the British Imperialists and English Canadian’s inflicted against the French Canadian’s Rights and culture . They blatantly attack their mental and emotional insecurities and would have us believe that Quebecers xenophobia is self created and unjustified.
A snippet of a more recent time, denotes historical evidence and defines an era of Canadian history, where French Canadians living in Quebec, did not have the right to self-governance. Prior to Bill 101, the Anglophone Supremacy that dominated the
Citizens of Quebec, clearly confirms that politics have always dictated language policy in Canada, usually directed against Francophones.
For decades, Anglophones exercised power over Francophones in Quebec, and as a result of this English dominance, gave way to English mansions in Westmount and French slums in St-Henri.
The situation in Quebec was not a Rosy story book tale, prior to the 1960s. We find a typical English colonial setup. If you were Francophone you were generally relegated to the lowest rungs of the economic ladder. In some companies, even the position of
foreman was exclusively held by Anglophones. To have any chance at advancement within the Company, most upper level positions required fluency in English, and French was considered an asset.
Many parts of Montreal were as English dominated as Toronto. Your chances of being served in French were about the same as in Toronto. Before Bill 101, Montreal was basically an English city where the majority spoke French. Also, about 90% of immigrants to Quebec ended up as Anglophones. Francophones had basically accepted their subordinate position to Anglophones for decades until the 1960s.
Many things changed in Quebec in the 1960s. One of which was the economic prospects of Francophones. This was largely due to people like Jacques Parizeau who created organizations like la Société générale de financement and la Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec which made capital generally available to Francophones for the first time. This completely changed the economic landscape in Quebec. Quebec was no longer at the mercy of a group of wealthy Anglo oligarchs.
Then Francophones in Quebec, used democratic institutions to regain control of their destiny, ending an era of Anglo dominance, that had plagued them for decades. This lead to a lot of positive changes for Francophones, AND the dreaded language laws.
History, afforded Quebec Citizens the value of hind sight, an opportunity of correcting any unfairness’s or injustices going forward. And in this case fairly and realistically justifies the
behaviour and WILL of French Canadian’s. Not out of discrimination but as an equal Right to promote and protect their culture, and the use of their language. Which up until then had
been dominated and controlled by English Canadians.
Quebec’s language laws may be a nuisance to Anglos in Quebec, and in other parts of Canada, but they are not discrimination. Like Affirmative Action in The US, they are to correct an historical injustice. The problem here, of course, is that most white Americans DO acknowledge the injustice done to Black people in the US, whereas, most English Canadians refuse to accept, that they are responsible for any injustices done to anyone,
francophone, native or anyone.
Quebec is the only place left in North America where it is still possible to live and work in French. There is Laws to make sure that this will continue into the future. The demands of Anglo-Quebecers and some discontent Canadians, seems to be that Quebec should stay a Province of an English-speaking country and rescind all protection of its language.
I fail to see how anyone can see that, as anything less than a demand, for cultural genocide for the last viable community of French-speaking people in North America. A people who have inhabited this continent for centuries, dating as far back as New France, and Lower Canada. French Canadians have been participants and an active contributor in building our
GREAT CANADA.
I can’t help but wonder, if equal historical efforts were made against the English language, to suppress it’s use, and dictate their right to self governance, as is the history of the French
language in Canada; how many English Bill-101 would we have today. Could the English speaking Canadians be faulted in wanting to prevent historical suppression and violations
of their Right to the use of their language and the preservation of their culture?
In 2013, some English Canadians, are still admittedly working with the same sense of entitlement, and denote a repressive attitude toward French-language in Canada. Are we once again living an ERA of history, where the English majority is one more time seeking to utilize suppression dictatorship over French-language of Canada.? Done in the name of equality, fairness and democracy to the English majority at the expense of discrimination against the French Canadian minority?
“Je me souviens, Que né sous le lys, Je croîs sous la rose.”
“I remember, That born under the lily, I grow under the rose.”
Seans response to your rant is below but funny how revisionist history in Quebec avoids talking of a number of issues!
sean August 31, 2013 at 5:47 am
@ HFTT
The reasons for English dominance, were the french themselves.
I direct you to study the policies of the following three quebec premiers, Godbout, Tachereau and Duplessis. From 1920 through 1959 they ,along with the Catholic church, PURPOSELY evoked policies of keeping the french on the farms and ignorant.
This provided a pool of cheap labor. They then INVITED British and U.S. Companies to come to quebec and take advantage of this cheap labor, along with great tax incentives that these premiers gave these companies. These premiers then helped themselves to THEIR CUT
Given that the majority of the french were uneducated and discouraged from acquiring an education by the above premiers and the church, there were very few qualified french to fill the managerial positions.
So if you are quoting historical fact, get it right.
BYW: Both Canadian prime minters, McKenzie King and R.B. Bennett, offered to quebec grants to industralize and to educate the french workforce, particularly after the depression, and these grants and offers WERE REFUSED.
Perhaps you shuld also look at the readings of Lional L’Abbe Groulx, to research the real reasons there was dominance by the English.
It was the french THEMSELVES that are to blame.
This is never mentioned by any quebecois, why?? because their entire myth of English control would be put in doubt.
Now you know”the rest of the story”
Holy Crap some of you folks are writing longer and longer posts….
Hungry and Stella I have a number of easy questions for you ,but surely you will evade these questions but I will ask anyways:
1)Do you agree with bill 101?
2)Do you agree with Quebec’s charter of values?
3)Do you think English in Quebec are treated as fairly as French in Ontario?
4)Should Ontario have the same language laws for English as Quebec has for French?
5) Should all people who speak English be classified as English?
6) Is language and culture the same ?If so is the Haitian who speaks french more French then lets say then Kilroy who actually comes from French herritage ?
I guess we will start with that ,this is just out of curiosity and your viewpoint.
admin September 16, 2013 at 6:41 am
Holy Crap some of you folks are writing longer and longer posts….
Welcome to your moring java,you certainly have patience Jamie!
As requested:
Eric Little of Ottawa Ontario Suggests Service Ontario Offer More Language Services – LTE
If we start at 11am on the 22nd you were quite full of wind and rules. Just read your own posts, and then come back and tell me I’m right.
From this very story:
Hungry for the Truth…. August 29, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Hungry for the Truth…. August 30, 2013 at 10:30 am
Hungry for the Truth….
September 13, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Oh and PS…..Hungry for the Truth….
September 15, 2013 at 6:21 pm
Please do not use you backhanded apology to me as proof of anything besides anger and hate. It was not meant to be kind or humble, it was once again an attempt to belittle and insult.
Hungry for the Truth…. September 15, 2013 at 12:25 pm
“And will even guarantee that no authorities will be called to
have any one escorted out. Civility and respect are always good
ingredients to utilize when seeking a resolution. And I intend to
use an over dose of both. ”
So you can Guarantee no authorities will be called to escort one out ,where were you when Jamie of CFN was escorted out and in no way was he being uncivil or disrespectful.
So you have the power and inflence to not have the authorities called as was done with Jamie and you GUARANTEE THIS!
INTERESTING………..
So if nothing gets accomplished as there were many attempts before you ,you say “Unless the damage done from your attempt is irreparable.”
Great way of attempting to defer fault to a member or a group if you are unsucessful .
The united counties had a meeting with the Hospital as well and Hospital exec’s was asked many Questions that they were unable to resolve and the media covered it ,the hospital was evasive as your are .
Madeleine Meilleur minister responsible for francophone affairs had admitted after this United Counties meeting that Cornwall Community Hospital had went beyond the mandate of of the FLSA.
Yet 3000 signitures were made available for the liberal government to assess the situation and resulting with Deb Matthews Minister of Health -who stated the hospital is responsible for human resources practices.
So that being said WHO HOLDS THE HOSPITAL(A GOVERNMENT ENTITY )ACCOUNTABLE?
As Madeleine Meilleur minister responsible for francophone affairs states they went beyond the mandate WHO HOLDS THE HOSPITAL ACCOUNTABLE? Is that to say the government has no ability to hold the hospital accountable ?
You see hungry much has been done ,and each layer of bureaucracy has stoned walled each attempt in fear of having to deal with this issue!
The issue was even brough up with a meeting with James Moore the official Languages commisioner and he admitted that there at times was conditions that created unfair hiring policies.
Once again upon asking for a meeting with numerous English language rights groups as which he does have meeting with franco rights groups.
Minister Moore promised to meet these English language rights groups from New Brunswick ,Quebec and Ontario but latter refused to meet with English language rights groups…..so much for two official languages respected equally.
“The contacts I’ve made so far, the first thing I was asked was If I was associated in any way with Cory or his brother or their groups. They’re not taken serious at all. I did not create that reputation. They did that on their own.”
If you think they were not taken serious ?What of all those political meetings,media coverage and those meetings with the hospital were a joke to the hospital?
Very interesting ….but way to go in an attempt to belittle the group and individuals there ….can you supply the your sources of such information or is this SIMPLY HEARSAY!
You have continued to attempt at discrediting the a group for advocating fairness in approach to hiring.
The question is why?
Cory Cameron September 16, 2013 at 4:40 am
What difference does it make WHO I am?
What difference does it make if I speak French English Chinese or Greek?
Who is, English Lassie, Highlander, Concerned Citizen 2, Stella, Eric, Kilroy etc.?
Why does it matter who they are? The message would be the same.
My objective and motivation is to make an attempt at trying to affect change to Unfair Hiring Practices. Why do I need a TV crew to get this done?
And if I knew my way around a Board Room what is wrong with that?
And If I choose a different approach than confrontation and humiliation what is wrong with that?
Cory Cameron September 16, 2013 at 4:48 am
“Well, if not taken seriously at all HFTT, then why was I or my bother even mentioned by your contacts whatsoever?”
Maybe because they did not want to be exposed to the same antics of confrontation?
“I mean surely, if so inconsequential to the whole issue?”
I don’t think how humans in Authorities are treated is inconsequential.
“And too, if not taken seriously at all, why have the authorities been called during our peaceful protests?”
Which peaceful protest? Where?
And too, perhaps members of CCH management can answer those and many other questions on this forum and not a ‘private’ citizen with the moniker, ‘Hungry for the Truth’?!
Not only CCH management their are other local Authorities responsible for these Unfair Hiring Practices.
What difference would it make if my moniker was James Moore?
Why does it bother you so?
bella September 16, 2013 at 7:21 am
As requested:
I requested specifically. Show me. NOT DATE STAMPS.
Answer my questions one by one. Where did I say this.
Hungry for the Truth…. September 14, 2013 at 11:00 am
bella September 14, 2013 at 6:45 am
“Hey hungry, remember when you told everyone they were getting off track, and that we should be focused on Ontario?”
No I do not remember that. Could you please back your claim.
“Or the time you said Ontario was too big and we should be focused on CCH and their hiring practises?”
No I do not remember that. Could you please back your claim.
“How come in the last week you have brought both Syria and now Australia into the”
No I do not remember bringing up Syria could you please back your claim.
It’s not Australia it’s AUSTRIA.
“How come you set the rules for posting for everyone but you don’t follow them?”
No I do not remember setting rules. Could you please back your claim.
None of the Date Stamps confirm any of the questions above.
You are referring to Eric Little Letter. I checked the two July 25th 2013, and August 06th 2013 and in either is there any reference that could help you in confirming your allegations against me.
Date and time stamps will not cut it. Show me where I said what you have accused me of.
No Date and time stamps. SPECIFICALLY. MY words…..
Highlander September 16, 2013 at 6:03 am
REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
Repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat over and over and over again and again and again.
REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
THE SAME AND THE SAME AND THE SAME…..OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
TWIST AND TWIST AND TWIST AND TWIST….AND MORE
TWIST AND TWIST.
Repeat……….and some more repeat…….again and again.
What is the benefit. You have made it clear that you are not at fault. It was the Church, I got it . It has nothing to do with English dominance. I got it. REPEAT AND REPEAT….
ENOUGH ALREADY…….It’s your right to deny or agree. Repeat and repeat…..
Oh honey take the time or just shut up. I mean really. I did no less work than you do when it comes to proving anything. In fact I did more. I made sure my post, story and time stamps actually pertained to your request, instead of saying wah I have nothing to prove, and my opinion is my opinion, and I don’t care if people like me or don’t like me, I just call it like I see it and if you don’t like my opinions too bad. Stand behind your drivel or just stop.
bellaSeptember 16, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Just back your claim with facts not your opinion.
OMG Hungry for truth (AKA: Lives for lies)
You may NOT have said those exact words but i certainly remember the gist of what bella is recounting being the gist of things you did say. And NO, i am NOT going fishing to prove it. You’ll just have to make do.
I also noticed that when you rehashed your message to bella to saying “please back your claim” several times you didn’t miss the opportunity to hammer on her for this same small error
It’s not Australia it’s AUSTRIA.
A second time. Kick em when they’re down eh Hungry AKA:(LFL).
Prove you didn’t say it. Prove my time stamps are wrong.
@ bella. You sure flushed Hungry’s toilet! Good on you!
Anyone who doesn’t agree with your view is spouting “drivel”.
Don’t take no sh!t, bella. Yous have all twelve LFA members behind you.
Fight on!!
Thanks for the cheering squad furtzy! A girl loves fans regardless of how silly they are.
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