Social Engineering in Cornwall Ontario? French University for River City? City Approves $50K Feasability Study

Social Engineering in Cornwall Ontario?  French University for River City?  City Approves $50K Feasability Study

Steering CommitteeCFN – Cornwall City Hall did the back door shuffle and have agreed to send $50K to fund the study that the committee above have asked to have commissioned.

Little has been said about their vision; but CFN has been digging and could the reason for the secrecy simply be that Cornwall wishes to establish a French University?    And if so why the secrecy?  Are the politicians which chiefly make up this group concerned about a back lash from the public for spending public tax dollars on such a project.

Many don’t realize that there is a major regional push to attract disgruntled Francophones from Quebec to Cornwall and it makes some sense in that with Quebec’s economic and political woes an opportunity to attract young families is there.  Couple that with a desire politically to have a French University in Ontario and you have a recipe for something that could attract people and money to Cornwall.

Lapresse recently ran a piece discussing Cornwall.    LINK   The article discussed a drop in Francophones from 30 to 26% and the concerns of some of the locals.   Councilor Maurice Dupelle was quoted, but most of the quotes came from Georgette Sauve of the SD&G ACFO)

Translated quote:

Francophone immigration is one of the keys. We need new blood to maintain an acceptable level of French in Cornwall, “said the President.

Education, employability and apparently French Education were primary concerns.

“We must put pressure on elected officials to implement policies to facilitate the immigration of French here. Employers also have a role to play. Finally, the number of allophones who turns aside default the English school system is also a big problem that we have identified, “says the president of the ACFO-SDG, Georgette Sauvé.

It was also discussed on TFO’s 360 show.  CLICK to watch VIDEO REPORT.

The question many will be asking is why all the secrecy and why not have open discussion by politicians in the community rather than   writing cheques and socially engineering our region?  After all it’s everyone’s tax dollars and we all live here.  Surely the public should have some say in some of these decisions?

We already have the stench of having two of the committee members, Mayor Kilger and Councilor Elaine MacDonald on the committee not recusing themselves from discussion or voting on the issue which violates number 2 of their Declaration of Office.

2. I have not received and will not receive any payment or reward, or promise thereof, for the
exercise of this office in a biased, corrupt or in any other improper manner.

Clearly there is a reward when you as a member of a group ask for cash from city hall?  You have achieved a goal which is of course a reward.

Again, nothing against having a French University in Cornwall, or French in general, but these processes and forcing the public to pay for freight without public consultation surely isn’t Democratic, is it?  And while having a University isn’t a bad thing how many of these French Uni grads would be staying in Cornwall?

What do you think CFN viewers?  You can post your comments below.

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So Richard because “43 pour cent de la population ayant le français comme langue maternelle a toutefois déclaré parler l’anglais le plus souvent à la maison” is why I must learn French?

Richard tremblay
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Richard tremblay

Thank god we do live in Canada where minority languages are protected and preserved. Just to promote native studies for students from kindergarden to 12th grade the government invested 1.5 billion. Another 317 million to help and promote post secondary education among natives. In 2012, 175 million to build new schools. http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/fra/1100100033601/1100100033605 This is how much was invested in the last few years for native school infrastructure. 195 millions $ en 2006-2007 244 millions $ en 2007-2008 208 millions $ en 2008-2009 277 millions $ en 2009-2010 304 millions $ en 2010-2011 195 millions $ sont prévus pour 2011-2012 http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/fra/1349147059614/1349147121978… Read more »

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oh, and by the way, thank you john baird for neglecting the french minority and printing english only ministry cards. It looks like your colleague mister fontino did the same thing. The conservative government neglects francophones, where is the article in CFN ? Why must it always promote LFA ? THe conservative government went against the law here…

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stellabystarlight

Richard, Excellent!! Tu fais bien ca..**smile**

Wow….those numbers are astounding. Yep, the natives are being neglected.

Rosie, the french tests are paid by the student, one of my friends took the test three times paid out of her own pocket. That my friend is a fact.

Highlander
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Pierre April 10, 2013 at 11:18 am “Nobody, in their mind says or expects that any minority rules. But, it may seem like it, to those who believe, that minorities should have no rights. The latest count of Anglo Ontarians (2012) I found, is 582,690, that’s 4.8% of the Ont. ” Once again minorities do have rights well except in a lesser part in Quebec,but SOME MINORITIES have a majority control. I have Shown you numbers as I have above indicating french spoken at home 284,115 in Ontario ,now you say : The latest count of Anglo Ontarians (2012) I… Read more »

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Richard tremblay
April 10, 2013 at 2:19 pm

“I would encourage my friend howard to re read what I wrote. I said I heard on a Québec radio station that throughout the world 800 million people can speak french, ”

You clearly stated that 800 million french people ,but coming from your state propaganda radio station ,this is to be expected !

You were only off by near 600 million ,its really not that much…lol…lol..lol Keep watching the state propaganda machine.

Highlander
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Richard tremblay
April 10, 2013 at 2:22 pm

“Statistics differ but your right pierre, with protectionist laws the french language can prosper.”

Protectionism is only for the benefit of the one individual at the cost of others.

Highlander
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Highlander

Rosie
April 10, 2013 at 4:12 pm

“When a person is hired because they speak both English and French and their first language is French, should the tax payer pay for this French person to travel to Ottawa to be tested in French at the cost of $250.00.”

Yes the Cornwall Community Hospital does this and sends their employee’s to be professionally tested at new avenues for french.
Yet for English the managers are professional linguistic experts as they do the English testing.

Highlander
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Highlander

Pierre ,Stella and Richard you still are avoiding my question:

“Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened???????”

Highlander
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Rosie
April 10, 2013 at 6:05 pm

So Richard because “43 pour cent de la population ayant le français comme langue maternelle a toutefois déclaré parler l’anglais le plus souvent à la maison” is why I must learn French?

Good point Rosie
Assimilation of English to learn French is required -we are borg you will be assimilated!

Highlander
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Richard tremblay April 10, 2013 at 6:20 pm Richard Once again you must have a mental deficit of a sort . I requested how much was spent on native languages -not the full educational curriculum from grade k-12,no this is not native studies only . “Now some might think that helping out natives is a waste of money, I don’t. We should promote a multitude of different cultures and languages in Canada. DId I post all of the finances the government invests in natives, nope. I could probably research more and find that the federal government invests 8 billion dollars… Read more »

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Richard tremblay

Merci stella, We provide proof yet some look at it with a blind eye. Je pense qu’il y a des gens qui jouent à l’autruche. Stella you probably read Pierres comment that answers howard perfectly. Working with kids with mental disorders, I’m not going to reply to that comment that I believe should have been deleted. With all of the commercials on TV promoting awareness on mental disorders howard should have known better. Criticizing the comment rather then insulting the person. Doing otherwise shows you don’t have much of a position. Finally Me and jaime agree on something. I have… Read more »

Rosie
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@ Highlander, more than the Cornwall Community Hospital does this I’m afraid.

Rosie
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Rosie

Rosie, the french tests are paid by the student, one of my friends took the test three times paid out of her own pocket. That my friend is a fact. Stella “Rosie, the french tests are paid by the student, one of my friends took the test three times paid out of her own pocket. That my friend is a fact”. OH yes Stella your friend wanted to work for the French School Board as a French Teacher right? The person I heard of recently, paid out of her own pocket, BUT SHE IS BEING REIMBURSED BY HER EMPLOYER (TAX… Read more »

Highlander
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Richard said:

“Thank god we do live in Canada where minority languages are protected and preserved.”

What minorities other then the French language are legislated and receive 2.4 billion to promote/push that minority language.

Still waiting for Pierre ,Stella and Richard to answer this Question:

“Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened???????”

Highlander
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Highlander

Rosie
April 11, 2013 at 5:18 am
@ Highlander, more than the Cornwall Community Hospital does this I’m afraid.

Yes thanks for reminding me and the viewers of this.

Why not provide a bilingual test of equal difficulties ?

I had not realized that ALL hospital management were linguistics experts as they do the testing of English proficiency as this was stated by Madam Periard.
Yet for French proficiency they are professionally tested at new avenues in Ottawa ….ahhh can you say double standard.

Eric
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Ricard tremblay “Serious transgressions from Ministers Baird and MInister fontino” really?
Handing out cheaper one language business cards to English only speakers is serious? I think it is respectful of taxpayers. Not wanting to receive correspondence in a language you do not know is serious? It kind of makes sense to me.

So, if someone is for a French only university, does that make them anti bilingual? Anti Canadian under the new federal push for duality?

Cory Cameron
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“Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened???????” Highlander, With kindest regards, I fear you will not receive an adequate nor fair explanation from those whom you ask the above question of. If given the choice of using the money for official bilingualism or saving Canada’s indigenous languages; these ethnocentrists will always say save it for bilingualism. There is absolutely no logical reasoning behind this statement I might add. Why not use these billions for saving Canada’s indigenous languages rather than extending the power and… Read more »

stellabystarlight
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stellabystarlight

Rosie……FYI all students are reimbursed for school expenses…….through what you say is the tax payer

My friend WAS and STILL is a teacher in the french school board. All had to take the test……(paid out of their own pocket) even if they were already teaching. Like any other student, French/english all are allowed to claim expenses on their tax return.

No favors for the french……for goodness sake.

Pierre
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Pierre

@
C cameron
You’re so full of balony.
If you don’t believe me just ask Michel Applebaum, the current anglophone mayor of Montréal, the largest city of Québec, and the second largest Francophone city, in the world…
By the way this request would answer most of your clan’s questions, would it not?
But, it would not faze you(s) one iota’ would it?
The tree blocking the view of the forest syndrome.

highlander
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Pierre April 11, 2013 at 9:54 am

Michel Applebaum, ah the token Anglophone .

We are all still waiting for your answers to this Question:

Pierre the separatist,Richard the frequently wrong and Stella the Queen of propaganda,

“Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened?????

Edudyorlik
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@Richard tremblay RE:April 10, 2013 at 7:24 pm oh, and by the way, thank you john baird for neglecting the french minority and printing english only ministry cards. It looks like your colleague mister fontino did the same thing. They learned this behavior from Pauline Marois who has all her cards in FRENCH ONLY because her and her clan don’t give a damn about ANY minorities in Quebec. Like Rene said after he rammed that repressive bill 101 through the legislature, (you know, the video clip which you “claim” you didn’t watch) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVaN0-vfGKU Your buddy Rene’s own words… “A nation,”… Read more »

Richard tremblay
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Richard tremblay

No éric, I’m all for Carleton university, doesn’t mean I’m anti-anglo. I attended Carleton university for 2 years. You said¨ Not wanting to receive correspondence in a language you do not know is serious? It kind of makes sense to me.¨ Then you shouldn’t be a minister if your going to neglect a sizable part of this country. The government shouldn’t always go by what is cheaper, they should go by what’s right. Surprising coming from a former minister of francophone affairs.

Richard tremblay
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Richard tremblay

Kilroy, I have been to just about every part of Québec, and they treat their minorities fine. I’m not a Quebecer, I was born in Cornwall Ontario and I’m french speaking. Am I a fan of rené Lévesque, Yes. Am I a séparatiste, nope. I actually don’t go by word of mouth when it comes from Québec. I have seen signs, talk to alot of anglos in Québec. YOu can easily live in West Island of Montreal being unilingual anglo and it wouldnt be a problem. TO make up numbers like you did, ¨Shameful how you brazenly admit that YOUR… Read more »

Highlander
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Highlander

{MODERATED} If you REALLY were to believe in minority rights why not anglophones rights not to be oppressed by bill 101 and 14 ? So agreeing to bill 101 and 14 you agree with oppressing minorities,be it Italian ,English or any other culture other then French . Welcome to Quebecistan where the state controls your speech and freedom of expression,and through bill 14 has a right to search and seizure without a warrant ,welcome fascism. Do you not believe in minority rights? Or must it only be for the french minority rights? Why do you keep avoiding this question? “Does… Read more »

Highlander
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Richard the {MODERATED} said:

Then you shouldn’t be a minister if your going to neglect a sizable part of this country. The government shouldn’t always go by what is cheaper, they should go by what’s right.

What of a government with 20% anglophone/allophone who clearly neglects a sizable part of their province?
And yes a government should go by whats right -like oppressing their minorities right Richard the Lyingheart?

Oh can you answer the question please:

“Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened?????

Highlander
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Highlander

admin
April 11, 2013 at 4:31 pm

Yes they are the official languages but bill 101 and 14 is discriminate on all languages other then French.

As for the “PROTECTION” of a language PERCEIVED to be endangered when it clearly is not and that being the intention why not protect those TRULY ENDANGERED native languages?

Does not those TRULY ENDANGERED native languages warrant PROTECTION?

Edudyorlik
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@Richard tremblay RE: POST on April 11, 2013 at 4:15 pm Richard wrote, “Am I a séparatiste, nope.” Why would you and your ilk be separatists Richard. I totally can see why YOU ARE NOT. You are like the blond bimbo’s with the sugar daddy. Even though you “cliam” your sugar daddy (Canada) treats you like shit, you stay and do as you please because you know where the “candy/money” comes from. Richard wrote, “Like I have said many times kilroy, 1% of the national budget for 20 % of the population, what is wrong with that.” Like I HAVE… Read more »

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Stellla : Having to take a French test when you are Francophone has nothing to do with expense claims on tax returns.
Give me something better than that Stella. Should someone who is Francophone be forced to take a French test to prove that she is a Francophone? Simple questions, requires simple answers. Yes or No. $250.00 times how many? Hospitals are always fundraising. And good people are donating what they can Stella. What a misuse of funds.. By the way Stella this was brought to my attention from a Francophone who thinks it’s ridiculous.

edudyorlik
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Tremblaywrote, “Kilroy, I have been to just about every part of Québec, and they treat their minorities fine.” Yeah, i know. Isn’t it great… It’s down from 4 times a day now to about once a week (give or take) where some French dude or dudeette (they all seem the same with that chip on their shoulders) is screaming at someone for speaking English in the oh so holy land of Quebecestan. Imagine dat. Speaking hinglish dare. My gosh… I am pretty sure it’s also been at least a week since a metro worker has punched a customer (a customer… Read more »

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ADMIN — forgot the link in first msg… sorry for extra work .. thanks.. .:-) edudyorlik April 11, 2013 at 6:43 pm Your comment is awaiting moderation. Tremblaywrote, “Kilroy, I have been to just about every part of Québec, and they treat their minorities fine.” Yeah, i know. Isn’t it great… It’s down from 4 times a day now to about once a week (give or take) where some French dude or dudeette (they all seem the same with that chip on their shoulders) is screaming at someone for speaking English in the oh so holy land of Quebecestan. Imagine… Read more »

stellabystarlight
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Thanks there Jamie…..that is true and appreciated. Now folks…..highlander is repeating his question ad nauseum when it was answered 500 times before. That’s what happens when he disagrees or doesn’t like the answer. the piper wrote: So agreeing to bill 101 and 14 you agree with oppressing minorities,be it Italian ,English or any other culture other then French See folks…..again, he assumes our thoughts and turns them around to suit his radical agenda, trying to make people believe that we hate anything and anybody that is not french. It’s refreshing to know that many people know how howard works and… Read more »

stellabystarlight
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stellabystarlight

Rosie….you are right, at least I admit to my mistakes. I erred……PLEASE FORGIVE ME!!!!

Richard tremblay
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Richard tremblay

From reading Kilroys comment I know why you get replies like that. Don’t know why he’s trying to write as though to make fun of someone with an english accent, at least the person would be making an effort. This might be why kilroy doesn’t get along with Quebecers, they make an effort to talk to him in english, what does he do, ¨ We have to increase la buget. Get da troops and put dem hinglish in dare place. tout de suit.¨ NO WONDER quebecers call you maudit anglais, if you’re going to make fun of their accent, you’re… Read more »

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@admin
Apr 11, 4:31 pm
There may be hope for you after all.
but, why say that you can’t spreak for Stella and Richard and me when it’s what we’ve been saying it all along… English and French take precedence over all other languages in Canada.
WHY?
Because they are the only two official languages of our country.

Keep it up Jamie and you may be named honorary member of the “good guys”… The “Good Canadians Guys” team.

edudyorlik
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Hey Tremblay, i am going to do something that is VERY foreign to you. I will admit that you are right. How’s that? You’re right. I shouldn’t have used the French slang talk that way. The intent was NOT to put anyone down it was more to make it a fun tongue in cheek kinda thing but, your right. I shouldn’t have used it that way. (i can just imagine Stella having an ‘O’ with this one 🙂 Calm down there Albright 😉 Now… Let me take a chance here with MAYBE YOU possibly being able to admit things too.… Read more »

highlander
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stellabystarlight April 11, 2013 at 7:08 pm the piper wrote: So agreeing to bill 101 and 14 you agree with oppressing minorities,be it Italian ,English or any other culture other then French See folks…..again, he assumes our thoughts and turns them around to suit his radical agenda, trying to make people believe that we hate anything and anybody that is not french. But you all have agreed with bill 101 and believe bill 14 is needed both of which oppresses other languages. Since when is it right to oppress others rights in the protection of a language? Should regulation 17… Read more »

Eric
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Re : Richard tremblay @ April 11, 2013 at 4:15 pm
I doubt Fantino is neglecting anyone. He reads English and I believe Italian, sending him something in French will not get read anyway. Now, he has staff and the government certainly has translators so no one is being neglected.

stellabystarlight
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stellabystarlight

@Rosie I got a phone call and had to cut my last post short. Allow me to set it straight. I don’t recall saying that the french test could be claimed on one’s income tax……nope never said that. What I wrote was: Like any other student, French/english all are allowed to claim expenses on their tax return. I don’t know where you got that my post included the french test. There are no cost involved for the french test such as books etc etc., therefore there is nothing to claim…..ca vas? The cost for taking the french test comes out… Read more »

Rosie
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Stella my question to you has nothing to do with students or income tax..you twisted that one.
My question was and still is, should a tax payer (me) pay for a Francophone to take a French test to prove that she/he speaks French? Yes or No.

Rosie
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Rosie

@ Richard “Don’t know why he’s trying to write as though to make fun of someone with an english accent, at least the person would be making an effort”.
Exactly Richard, now you know how I feel as an English person who has learned French but denied the opportunity to work in French because my French is not perfect. I made the effort Richard.

stellabystarlight
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stellabystarlight

Rosie, the tax payer is not paying for the test.

That is the answer to your question.

Now a question for you Miss Rosie: Why should I have to pay school taxes when I have no children going to school?

Should we start up a group, picket and protest?

Rosie
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Rosie

Stella, if the employee in question will be hired by the Health Care sector in Ontario, then just who pays for the test..?

Rosie
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Rosie

Stella, if the employee in question will be hired by the Health Care sector in Ontario, then just who pays for the test..?

Taxes are collected to help provide services. You may not have children but there are other people paying taxes for things that they don’t have through which you benefit. So it all works out the same overall.

Rosie
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Rosie

However Stella, I do feel you frustration.
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stellabystarlight
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Rosie to be honest with, I can’t answer your first question because I don’t know the answer. I would imagine it would be like the school system where the teacher pays. Rosie wrote: You may not have children but there are other people paying taxes for things that they don’t have through which you benefit. So it all works out the same overall. Happy to hear you say “it all works out to the same overall” exactly our point. We’ve been saying that for two years now. We pay taxes but we don’t reap all the benefits. Not you in… Read more »

Highlander
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stellabystarlight April 14, 2013 at 5:28 pm Stella when CCH sends their employee’s to be tested at new avenues it is the hospital and therefore the taxpayers that foot the bill . So therefore you are wrong again -get used to it ….being wrong. stellabystarlight April 14, 2013 at 8:45 pm “What is ridiculous is the clan thinks they have the power to dictate and control……..only in their dreams.” The so called “clan ” is a group of people that want’s A measurable ,fair and equitable approach to bilingualism -representation by population . “Power to dictate and control “- like… Read more »

stellabystarlight
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Rosie wrote: However Stella, I do feel you frustration Are you kidding me? Let me say this: Frustated….nope, not one iota. The language issue does not keep me awake at night thats for sure. **smile** The silly videos, fabricated and exagerated stories, put downs and their hatred towards the french is something to be concerned about. That type of left wing radical activism can disrupt an entire nation. The most disgusting thing is how this group want to divide this country. If the {MODERATED} would do what they have to do and leave the peace loving people of this country… Read more »