Letter to the Editor – Cory Cameron of Timmins Ontario on Discrimination – August 26, 2013

Letter to the Editor – Cory Cameron of Timmins Ontario on Discrimination – August 26, 2013

LTEDiscrimination

 

Discrimination.  The big D word.   A word most readily used by many though rarely meritable in its’ use.   In our contemporary world of political correctness, discrimination is one of many ‘buzzwords’ that forms a politicians’ lexicon of verbal spaghetti.  Political figures love to throw around the idea that one group of people are often discriminated against by another group of people or even by a nation’s laws.  It is a fantastic vote grabber for those most instrumental in the art of politics.  The truth however, in this day and age, is that rarely are modern-day laws discriminatory in their practice, right?

 

Wrong!

 

Have you ever heard of the concepts of affirmative action or what we like to call employment equity in Canada?  These are concepts that were instituted into Canadian law to help level the playing field for those who have traditionally suffered the ill consequences of discrimination; especially in the job market.  Under the Constitution Act of 1982, containing the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms; equity legislation is detailed therein.  The Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) is enforced by the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) and it is this commission that deals with whether or not discrimination has taken place in the workplace.

 

The following details the issue of Prohibited Grounds of Discrimination in Canada: (Belcourt, Bohlander, &  Snell, Managing Human Resources, 5th Canadian Edition, 2008).

 

Race or colour

Religion

Physical or mental disability

Dependence on alcohol or drugs

Age

Sex

Marital status

Family status

Sexual orientation

National or ethnic origin (including linguistic background)

Ancestry of place of origin

Language

Social Condition or origin

Source of income

Assignment, attachment or seizure of pay

Based on association

Political belief

Record of criminal conviction

Pardoned conviction

 

While appearing like a fair and equitable approach to the issue of fairness in hiring practices; employment equity actually creates the framework for unfair hiring criteria – whereby the best qualified person may be the most successful candidate but may not be chosen due to government imposed employment equity legislation.  Case-in-point; consider the possibility of two highly qualified candidates applying for the same government or private sector industry, job.  One candidate, a qualified counselor who, as a child, was raised in the atmosphere of a same sex marriage; understands the very real social challenges faced by his/her same sex parents.  One could surmise that not only is this individual qualified as a counselor; but has the added experience of being raised in a non-traditional family setting, outside of the traditional nuclear family.  The other candidate is also a highly qualified counselor but is a homosexual.  By the very definition and reasoning for employment equity, chances are that the successful candidate will be chosen due to his/her sexuality and not necessarily for his/her skills.

 

Another scenario if you will.  Imagine an Aboriginal couple fostering a non-Aboriginal child who is raised and immersed in Aboriginal culture.  He/she has a university/college education associated with his/her chosen field; speaks an Aboriginal language, is well-versed in the culture and customs associated with the First Nation and has all the credentials required of someone who could work for a government or non-government Aboriginal organization.  The other candidate also has some or most of these qualifications but has one added qualification.  Their ethnicity or race is of a First Nation.  Once again, by the very definition and reasoning for employment equity, chances are that the successful candidate will be chosen due to his/her ethnicity or race and not necessarily for his/her skills.

 

Sound like rare or improbable cases and scenarios to you?  I can attest that they’re not.  They’re increasingly happening everyday in Canada and Human Resources professionals have had to contend with the issue of unfair hiring criteria that these laws have created since at least 1995 with the Employment Equity Act.

 

If you think at this point that our Canadian employment laws are unfair and unjustified then I have even more bad news for you.  Consider the above information I’ve provided about Employment Equity.  Add to this the increasingly unfair bilingual language requirements as well and you can see where things are headed.  A politically correct society where in the quest for fairness we’ve permitted a very unfair system to flourish unchallenged by the people themselves.  We need to ask ourselves if Canada’s employment and language laws are really a reflection of what we encompass and value as a society or if our various levels of government are attempting through social engineering, to shape and mould the people’s consciousness to the system itself.  In other words, do the people work for the system or should the system work for the people?

 

Ever heard of the concept of a ‘bona fide occupational qualification’?  Believe it or not, this concept currently exists in Canada and it allows for discrimination in hiring!  That’s right folks.  You read that correctly.  In the very ‘Act’, the Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) whose existence is to prohibit discriminatory hiring practices there exists government-sponsored discriminatory hiring!  As Belcourt et al. reports (2008):

 

The act applies to all federal government departments and agencies, to Crown corporations, and to other businesses and industries under federal jurisdiction, such as banks, airlines, railway companies, and insurance and communications companies.  For those areas not under federal jurisdiction, protection is available under provincial human rights laws.  Provincial laws, although very similar to federal ones, do differ from province to province.  Every province and territory has a human rights act (or code), and each has jurisdiction prohibiting discrimination in the workplace.  The prohibited grounds of discrimination in employment include race, religion, sex, age, national or ethnic origin, physical handicap, and marital status…Employers are permitted to discriminate if employment preferences are based on a bona fide occupational qualifications (BFOQ) or BFOR (bona fide occupational requirement). A BFOQ is justified if the employer can establish necessity for business operations.  In other words, differential treatment is not discrimination if there is a justifiable reason.  (106)

This sounds an awful lot like Orwell’s, Animal Farm, where Commandment #7 which originally stated that:

 

“All animals are equal”

 

Was eventually changed to,

 

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”

 

Is this the kind of Canada we want to live and work in?  Surely the ideology of an individual’s rights should trump group rights in all respects.  Should it not?  Otherwise, we need to ask ourselves if we truly live in a democracy where all citizens enjoy the same rights and privileges as all others.  As of this writing, the majority of our citizenry cannot work for their civil service or hold the highest office of the land due to nothing more than a lack of knowledge of one of Canada’s minority languages.

 

Please keep in mind that,

 

“All Canadians are equal, but some Canadians are more equal than others”

 

Cory Cameron

Timmins, On

Sunday August 25, 2013

 

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English Lassie
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English Lassie
2 years 9 months ago

I’d like to know why there are job postings for “bilingual” bus drivers in Cornwall with Student First company.Cornwall has a French only population of 500, where’s the need??
Are they getting funding to promote this??
More job immobilization for English only citizens of Cornwall, who by the way are the whopping majority.
!!!
On a side note, I called St.Lawrence High School recently & was greeted with hello/bonjour…
WTF is going on in Cornwall???

Edudyorlik
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2 years 9 months ago
@David Oldham RE: POST on October 6, 2013 at 11:48 am”ADMIN “reasonable” is the operative word. My neighbour is an example of a french speaking individual born in Quebec who went to Ontario in the sixties to learn English and make a better life for himself. As he approached retirement he returned to Quebec but found to his dismay the people and the politics to be repulsive. He moved back to Ontario and states proudly that he is simply a Canadian with french ancestry.” WELL SAID but sadly NOT representative of the majority of the French powers that be. And… Read more »
Furtz
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Furtz
2 years 9 months ago

@ gqo. You and a few English rights freedom fighters might want to break up Canada because the current (and recent past) political situation in Quebec is not to your liking. Dream on, my friend. Are you seriously suggesting that Canada, one of the most successful democracies on the planet, be broken up because your “life experience” in Quebec wasn’t 100% happy?
@ Cory. You have a soul-mate in gqo. Yous should get together for a coffee and b!tchfest about how unfair life is and all that stuff.

Furtz
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Furtz
2 years 9 months ago

Scotland and North Ireland have wanted to be out from under British rule for hundreds of years. Not sure what that has to do with breaking up Canada because a few whining ex-Quebecers want it to happen.

Edudyorlik
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2 years 9 months ago
Furtz, the French are the ones who began this whole idea that we cannot live together. I remember the phrases well coming from the French as i was growing up. Phrases like this is a marriage gone bad, and we MUST divorce. Etc.. Beyond that, knowing the character of the French, i ask you, how much backlash and hard feelings do you think there would be in this country if it had been the English who were organizing these OUI / NO — we want to separate from the French — as in we want nothing to do with their… Read more »
Edudyorlik
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2 years 9 months ago

English Lassie
October 6, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Our federal government is slowly being taken over also EL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxHI4-ZLpxs

They just moved this CRTC office to the “Quebec side” at a cost of 30 million dollars to the tax payers. According to the “rules” —

(god knows who implemented these rules – my guess is the last name must have been jean Claude or something like that)

— that now means they can post their web site in French dominant French first.

This is like a cancer and it MUST BE STOPPED.

highlander
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highlander
2 years 9 months ago
Do they separate or not ? I believe the country is at a coming of age and change is on the horizon. The ill feelings toward Quebec is of thier own doing in how they treat their minorities as well as their dreaded ethnics . Canadian’s have always thought of themselves as fair minded and when a province and a people behave like that it badly reflects badly on those fair minded people,in particular internationally. Many ,many Canadians are fedup with the spoiled child of co.federation,I look forward to the future in the hopes our Country finally comes to terms… Read more »
Edudyorlik
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2 years 9 months ago

On October 6, 2013 at 8:18 pm highlander wrote, ”
Do they separate or not ?”

Unfortunately, at this stage, and given the desires of the French to have EVERYTHING in FRENCH ONLY there is NO OTHER CHOICE.

We MUST go our separate ways.

When i look at what the French have done in the province of Quebec and how they have created a French ONLY zone in a legal way which now is seemed into the psyche of the people in a moralistic way.

When i look at what the French are now bringing to areas outside Quebec, i hear warning bells.

gqo
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gqo
2 years 9 months ago
@ frutz, First off, quebec WILL separate, not because of our “life experiences” but because they are as Stephen Harper referred to them , A NATION quebec, has their own immigration system, their own language ,their own culture and their own DISTINCT way of looking at the world in general and quebec and in particular, none of which has any commonality with Canada. Canada, lost its designation of being one of the best democracies in the world, when it sacrificed half a million anglo quebeckers. People are very cognizant of this fact and they have very long memories. So your… Read more »
Furtz
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Furtz
2 years 9 months ago

It won’t be happening any time soon.
Here’s an interesting piece for your consideration.
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/time+tell+truth+about+Quebec+separatism/8611777/story.html

bella
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bella
2 years 9 months ago
So hungry, how long must I wait for you to acknowledge your own words? Are you ashamed of your post? Embarrassed maybe? It’s okay if you are. I would be too. Do you truly believe what you typed? Or are you hoping if you ignore it long enough, I’ll go away? Good luck with that! Regardless of your reasons it is ignorant and rude to continue to ignore me, when all I did was quote you. Tell me to go to hell or stand up for yourself. The longer it takes, the less value your words hold for everyone. You… Read more »
bella
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bella
2 years 9 months ago
Couldn’t help myself! Here you go! Hungry for the Truth…. September 21, 2013 at 3:44 pm highlander September 21, 2013 at 3:17 pm “I do not blame the French people for our language apartheid but the governments for setting up the conditions for it to thrive.” You should run for politics. The French people are represented by their FRENCH government. It’s kind of hard of not blaming one without the other. The French people =The French Government. = The same. ~ bella September 21, 2013 at 6:11 pm Hungry for the Truth…. September 21, 2013 at 3:44 pm The French… Read more »
highlander
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highlander
2 years 9 months ago
Thanks Furtz , An interesting article .Quebecer’s really have no understanding what the reality of Quebec as an independent state would be after separating. I had talked to a retired very senior diplomat(answered only to deputy minister) a number of years ago . He advised me that Gatineau had been ear marked and upon seperation it would be an entity within itself such as Washington D.C. Quebec would be its original size prior to confederation after large vast land had been granted to the province. Quebec would be a thin sliver along the north St.Laurence 100 miles by 600 miles.… Read more »
highlander
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highlander
2 years 9 months ago

Hungry we are eagerly waiting for your response from this oct 6 posting:

“you see Hungry its not just CCH ,do you plan as well to change the health units 100% bilingual policy ,or CCAC’s 80% bilingual hiring ,what of the 65% provincial bilingual hiring ?”

So how do you plan on addressing the other provincial entities ..please do tell how you plan to change this systemic problem.

David Oldham
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David Oldham
2 years 9 months ago
UNBELIEVABLE ! To HFTT and others with an apparent mind block. Official bilingualism was and still is a piece of federal legislation. New Brunswick and Manitoba have adopted official bilingual status at the provincial level. You rant on about having some “right” to being able to communicate in Ontario in the official language of your choice. You ask why paramedics are not all fluent in both FEDERALLY OFFICIAL LANGUAGES. The simple and direct answer that seems to be elusive to some individuals offering their opinions here is that it is not necessary! OHIP and medical delivery services are not federal… Read more »
Eric
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Eric
2 years 9 months ago
Michael Ignatieff in 2012 – says a few things gqo is saying. http://www.vigile.net/Quebec-will-eventually-become He suggested that Quebec gained “radical” new powers after the federalists’ razor-thin 1995 referendum victory, though most of the powers he listed were under Quebec authority before that dramatic vote. “We had a near-death experience in 1995,” Ignatieff said. “What we learned from that was that the way to keep the show on the road is pretty radical devolution. And effectively Quebec is master in their own house. He pointed out that Quebec runs its own immigration and natural resource development policies and has control over health… Read more »
edudyorlik
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2 years 9 months ago
@ALL, I agree with admin. Interesting read Furtz however, we have now come to a point where we not only have a slew of Quebec separatists but we also have a slew of ROC separatists who are fed up with being literally screwed and taken advantage of in some of theeeeee most devious and dishonest of ways. So… Let’s put it this way. If this “little union or arrangement” IS TO CONTINUE then we MUST deal with certain realities head on. A) The reality that the province of Quebec IS NOT IT’S OWN COUNTRY. And, if it wants to continue… Read more »
edudyorlik
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2 years 9 months ago
@David Oldham RE:POST on October 7, 2013 at 7:59 am I agree with what you said in your post David and i am completely on your side with regard to this issue. Thing is… We are not all well versed in — ALL ASPECTS — of this issue. We each have our strengths and weakness which we bring to the table. This is why it is good to have a diversity of people like yourself and gqo for example. gqo brings an historical element to this debate which many of us are not as familiar with but we are all… Read more »
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gqo
2 years 9 months ago
@ Et AL If the article frutz referred us to , is to take hold, then I agree wholeheartedly with edudyorlik, things MUST CHANGE BIG TIME Meaning bill 101 and similar such legislation must go. Language cops must go. English, as well as any other group in quebec MUST BE AFFORDED THE EXACT SAME RIGHTS REGARDING ALL AREAS LANGUAGE, CULTURE, HERITAGE,RESPECT as the french have in quebec. if these are not met, then I believe CANADA should have a referendum to pose our own question to quebec regarding separation. Either follow the norms of Canada with respect to the items… Read more »
edudyorlik
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2 years 9 months ago
Thanks for sharing the Ignatieff article Eric, I thought these two quotes were rather telling… Ignatieff wrote, “But that’s not the way most English Canadians now think of their country. They might have done 30 or 40 years ago when we thought we could live together in this very strange hybrid country called Canada.” AND “Now effectively, effectively, we’re almost two separate countries. Although Quebec does not have sovereignty it acts domestically almost as if it did, and that I think has produced this strange reality that — I don’t think most Canadians I’m thinking of are happy about.” —… Read more »
Eric
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Eric
2 years 9 months ago
David Oldham, I don’t see where Manitoba has made it’s self officially bilingual, certainly not to the level of New Brunswick. We have gotten away from “where numbers warrant” at such a great expense financially and to entire families and communities. Official Languages in Canada’s Provinces and Territories Province/Territory Official Language(s) and Status Alberta English (de jure), but bilingual legal system British Columbia English (de facto) Manitoba English (de jure), but bilingual legal system New Brunswick English and French (de jure) Newfoundland English (de facto) Nova Scotia English (de facto) Ontario English (de facto), but bilingualism is recognized Prince Edward… Read more »
stellabystarlight
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stellabystarlight
2 years 9 months ago

Lassie wrote: On a side note, I called St.Lawrence High School recently & was greeted with hello/bonjour…
WTF is going on in Cornwall???e…….

That is terrible…….do like cory call or write to the language commissioner.

Just a reminder lassie….this country has two official languages.

Furtz
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Furtz
2 years 9 months ago

It’s a good thing they didn’t say bonjour/hello.
There would be hell to pay!

Highlander
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Highlander
2 years 9 months ago
David Oldham October 7, 2013 at 7:59 am Thanks for your input. You’ve written: “OHIP and medical delivery services are not federal programs. The FLA enters into the provincial arena to provide french language services in areas designated to be where numbers warrant. ” The FLA is implemented in 25 regions of Ontario and encompasses 90% of the population . If a area has 3000 francophones or 5% of the population no matter of the population it is deemed under the FLA ,the question has always been what is justified as “where numbers warrant “? So 3000 people in a… Read more »
Highlander
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Highlander
2 years 9 months ago
stellabystarlight October 7, 2013 at 2:51 pm “That is terrible…….do like cory call or write to the language commissioner. Just a reminder lassie….this country has two official languages.” Once again antagonistic ! Can you throw a few words together or is it that you only have the ability to antagonize and not have a response that considered at least some use of cognitive ability . In all this time your responses have been to antagonize ,never have I seen any facts /research from you! This is what David is talking about when he said : “However as long as the… Read more »
edudyorlik
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2 years 9 months ago

Furtz October 7, 2013 at 3:40 pm

It’s a good thing they didn’t say bonjour/hello.
There would be hell to pay!

Hey Stella and Furtsie, it’s also a good thing they were not in Quebec where even the words ON & OFF on Microwave ovens and START AND STOP on the photo copier

http://youtu.be/6AIg11uJw94?t=1m47s

Oh my gosh that would mean an inspection from the language police and a … Da da da daaaaaaaaa…. A DOSSIER

Furtz
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Furtz
2 years 9 months ago

I have a serious question re the impending heave-ho of Quebec from Canada. Outside of Quebec, is there a legitimate political party or organization with wide spread support that is dedicated to the expulsion of Quebec from Confederation? Apart from the usual twelve or so proponents who post on this site, I can’t find any organized support for the break up of Canada. Any links would be appreciated.

David Oldham
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David Oldham
2 years 9 months ago
ERIC this may seem like a minor point but it is in itself at the root of the situation regardless of which perspective you share.” Where numbers warrant ” Leave it to lawyers to create a mechanism within a legal framework that creates total ambiguity of interpretation . Where numbers warrant is completely open ended, zero is only a place holder and one cannot be either too many or too few therefore where numbers warrant could simply mean two or more. When HIGHLANDER speaks of the (white) elephant in the room, every politician knows that a debate on where numbers… Read more »
edudyorlik
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2 years 9 months ago
Furtz
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Furtz
2 years 9 months ago

@ David. Manitoba isn’t officially bilingual as far as I know. When I lived there in the 70s, an acquaintance of mine, George Forest, took the Manitoba government all the way to the Supreme Court re French services. As a result the French Language Services Policy was introduced that guaranteed access to provincial government services in French and English. That came in around 1980.

Furtz
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Furtz
2 years 9 months ago

Pretty funny, Kilroy, but that doesn’t cut it.

edudyorlik
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2 years 9 months ago

@ Furtz

How do you know?

David Oldham
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David Oldham
2 years 9 months ago
FURTZ Manitoba is definitely the “other” officially bilingual province . In 1870 when Manitoba entered into confederation concerns over the future of english immigration to the region (it was dominantly French and Native at the time) saw that it joined as officially bilingual. It remained as such for approximately a hundred years when it became English only after reviewing its need for “official bilingualism” status. In 1985 the court ruled that its original status as “officially bilingual” must be reinstated. This ruling has not been over turned. Official bilingualism in Manitoba has nothing whatsoever to do with “where numbers warrant”… Read more »
Furtz
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Furtz
2 years 9 months ago

@ David. Pardon my brain-fart. You are correct. Should have known that considering I knew the man who fought to have it restored. It was all over a traffic ticket

Furtz
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Furtz
2 years 9 months ago

Too funny. My simple question gets a -4 rating!
Still waiting for an intelligent answer.

edudyorlik
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2 years 9 months ago
David wrote, “It is virtually impossible from a constitutional perspective for Quebec to unilaterally decide to exit or withdraw from its union with Canada.” A) what if Canada and the Canadian people decide they have had enough and want Quebec to go while at the same time the people of Quebec agree with 50% +1? —————- David wrote, “Best move on to a more viable solution well rooted in a common goal. United strong together.” B) United strong together? “a common goal?” Is this really possible when one group (The French) are constantly and constantly rejecting the English language and… Read more »
edudyorlik
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2 years 9 months ago
@ALL First we had bill 101. A bill that had (and still has, as — it has NOT BEEN OFFICIALLY CHANGED — ) exemptions for large corporations and their trade mark names. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzD9rqbFWW8&hd=1 “English ONLY names offensive?” IN Canada? However, the French zealots in the OQLF are still trying desperately to force NEW RESTRICTIONS and DEMANDS upon these large companies like Wal-Mart even though “the law” itself does not back up their threats of fines and so on. NICE !!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a5nrP3qRyU&hd=1 In other words they don’t want to “try” to change or amend the law because once they open it… Read more »
gqo
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gqo
2 years 9 months ago
Et Al. Regardless of law, and I say this very seriously, if quebec voted to separate, especially if the numbers were say 55% or 60% for separation, how do you think this would play in quebec, if, as David states, they were informed, BTW, you can’t separate under Canadian law for the reasons mentioned by David. Do you actually believe this would or could stop them Now you risk MAJOR revolt the likes of which Canada has never seen before. Another point ,why would Canada force the issue and use all legal means to stop quebec from going???? This ,to… Read more »
Furtz
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Furtz
2 years 9 months ago
You folks might not want to read this, but here’s how my latest dealing with the Quebec government went. A month or so ago, I got a notice from OHIP indicating that I had to apply for a new health card. For that I needed a birth certificate, which I don’t have because I was born in Quebec. So I downloaded the appropriate forms from the Quebec government website (in English) and filled them out (in English) and mailed them in. A week and a half later (today) I received my new birth certificate in the mail. Pretty good service… Read more »
Furtz
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Furtz
2 years 9 months ago

@ gqo. I live well west of Prescott and travel across Canada fairly regularly. Giving Quebec the boot out of Confederation never comes up in political conversations I have with people I know. Most people seem more concerned with local issues and the endless BS emanating from the Harper government.
I ask a small favour of you. Please post a link to the CFL organization you referred to. I only come up with the Canadian Football League.
Thanks.

Edudyorlik
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2 years 9 months ago
ON October 8, 2013 at 12:56 pm Furtz wrote, ” “So I downloaded the appropriate forms from the Quebec government website (in English) and filled them out (in English) and mailed them in. A week and a half later (today) I received my new birth certificate in the mail. Pretty good service (in English) by any standard!” Maybe so Furtz but, you should have heard all the “moudit Anglais” talk going on in that office as they were shuffling those papers to send you. My friend works in that department and she told me of — YOUR REQUEST– “in English.”… Read more »
Furtz
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Furtz
2 years 9 months ago

@ Kilroy. You are totally nuts in an entertaining sort of way. I don’t care what your imaginary friends said about me or my request for a birth certificate. I got prompt and excellent service in English from a Quebec government agency. Now, doesn’t that piss you off?
Carry on.

Edudyorlik
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2 years 9 months ago
Well, at least it’s in an “entertaining sort of way.” And no, sorry to disappoint but, It doesn’t piss me off. But hey, ya know what might piss me off though eh? If you could tell us all out here hanging on your every word about what you thought of how that military father was lied to and how they tried to SCARE him into pulling his daughter out of school. http://putbacktheflag.blogspot.ca/ C’mon Furtz. Such an articulate gent like you. We are all anxious to hear what you thought of that. Maybe you could tell us how it made you… Read more »
David Oldham
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David Oldham
2 years 9 months ago
@ gqo Quebec cannot separate from Canada merely because they held a vote and received majority support. This occurrence could however trigger the basis for a constitutional vote to be opened. Under the rules to bring about constitutional change 7 provinces or territories representing a minimum of 50 % of the population must be in agreement. Further it is not a question of whether we would want to force them to stay. There is a very specific constitutional mechanism to deal with the process of withdrawing from confederation. Realistically, in my opinion, it would counterproductive to the common good to… Read more »
English Lassie
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English Lassie
2 years 9 months ago

@Furtz
Maybe your imaging your birth certificate story, remember the pizza story…
Shazam!!!

gqo
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gqo
2 years 9 months ago

@ David,

the legalities notwithstanding, if you will excuse the pun here, I am thinking in terms of the reality of quebec, and the radicals that control the agenda there.

How would you like to be in downtown Montreal , in the event of a yes vote to separate, say in the neighborhood of 60% for, and then Canada states that they cannot leave based on what you have said.

Don’t you think there may more than a little disruption, to say the least ????

I am not questioning your reasons, which are sound, but what would the reality look like.???

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