South Glengarry Council: Freedom of Expression Out of Order by Don Smith

South Glengarry Council: Freedom of Expression Out of Order by Don Smith
South Glengarry Council – decision to respect Charter of Rights & Freedoms OUT OF ORDER

CFN – Yesterday, at the time of publication of our article on freedom of expression, South Glengarry Township had not published their meeting agenda for next Monday; in fact we could not find it online until today (Friday), a day after their deadline for getting the agenda to Council members.

Reading through the related staff report that is attached to the agenda, it’s clear that Township Staff and at least some of the Councillors (Gravelle and Prevost) are strongly recommending against the adoption of the proposed bylaw to adhere to the Charter Freedom of Expression as “officially” espoused in federal law.

We’ll let our viewers read it for themselves and draw their own conclusions.





Derik Brandt’s report recommends:  “There are several problems with the wording of the requested resolution.  These problems include that the requested motion is worded in the negative and would also be a reaffirmation of the Township’s existing position of allowing the use of any language for advertising purposes in the Township of South Glengarry. Therefore Administration recommends that the motion cannot be dealt with because it is out of order. Additionally, Administration recommends that no changes be made to the Township’s current position of allowing residents and businesses to express themselves in the language of their choice on their signage without any requirement for any additonal languages. Moved by Joyve Gravelle, Seconded by Frank Prevost.”

The report concludes with a proposed resolution:  “Be it resolved that the Township of South Glengarry receive Staff Report #01-13 and endorses the recommendation therein.”

CFN will be at Monday’s Council meeting to video record the decision for all to see.

Don Smith reports on a variety of topics, notably good news items as well as social justice issues.






120 Responses to "South Glengarry Council: Freedom of Expression Out of Order by Don Smith"

  1. Freedom Isn't Free   January 12, 2013 at 12:43 AM

  2. leo   January 12, 2013 at 1:27 AM

    Let the revolution begin

  3. peter   January 12, 2013 at 1:40 AM

    @ all

    Can a french group present a resolution to the SG similar to russell?

    If they do, will the SG reject as they have Galganov’s?

    How would one word a resolution, that has the same meaning as Galganov`s and be accepted

    Why did Galganov not word the resolution the same way he did in the resolution he presenmted to mayor McGillis of stormont

    Answers would be appreciated.

  4. Don Smith, CFN   January 12, 2013 at 1:55 AM

    Peter, Howard did offer the same wording. When Derik Brandt met with Howard, apparently Brandt said that the wording was fine, except for one small thing. South Stormont passed a Resolution to amend an existing sign bylaw. South Glengarry has no sign bylaw to amend, so Brandt slightly altered the wording to propose the creation of a sign bylaw. A question that comes to mind is why the flipflop. Either it was a suitable proposal or it wasn’t.

  5. peter   January 12, 2013 at 2:15 AM

    So why doesn’t Galganov, propose a sign by law stating that anyone can use any language they wish, and seal the deal ?

    I inderstand the fact that you can’t amend something that doesn’t exist, so just simply propose the by law and vote on it.

    Howver, if they vote against it, now Galganov has hung himself.

    So, maybe let sleepling dogs Lie? Or Consult a lawyer, and go from there.

    Just a suggestion here.

  6. mariah   January 12, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    Russell Township gave the boot to the council that did not protect freedom of expression I wonder if history will repeat itself in South Glengarry at next election

  7. Cory Cameron   January 12, 2013 at 8:13 AM

    I suggest that CLF, LFA and Howard and supporters begin touring to other parts of Ontario warning the populations of other small towns and cities the impending danger of these imperialist policies. The Franco-flag waving, so-called bilingual employment policies, the insistence of forced language signage, French only health clinics, schools and the segregation of school children.

    Everything that LFA has done has been recorded. We can show how these ethnocentrists have garnered favourite tribal status in the locations for which they begin to congregate and eventually take over.

    Like I said before, the eventual conclusion of all of this won’t be what the CLF, LFA can do in response to these measures being taken against personal freedoms but the steamrolling ethnocentrists that will cause their own demise.

    Kingston, Brockville, Prescott, Wichester and everyone West take notice. One day you too may experience what it is like not to be able to post business signs in the language of your choice. And too, you will one day feel what it’s like not to be able to work in the government services of your own hometown if not already. But the real shocker will be when you see French only organizations begin to crop up all around you paid for by your tax dollars. Things like French-only health care centres that you cannot use; your kids not being able to take the same school buses as French kids because of Xenophobic, fear laden French parents whose mentalities are poisoned by Quebec style Joual culture.

    It’s coming sooner than you think.

  8. Cory Cameron   January 12, 2013 at 8:46 AM

    Huge Franco-Ontarian flags can fly everywhere at the taxpayer’s expense. But here’s a little something interesting for you CFN bloggers to consider:

    So the question begs to be answered:

    How is it in towns like Casselman, a huge Franco-Ontarian flag is permitted to fly with no negative reactions much like what is displayed in the above article?

    Give up?

    It’s because of the apathy of the English speaking people living within the concerned districts to stand up for themselves.

  9. Kim Lian Khoo   January 12, 2013 at 9:17 AM

    Suffice it to say that we’ve managed to get the Council of S. Glengarry to state that they will NOT pass a by-law that will mandate the use of any particular language.

    They’ve taken the politically-correct way out of this situation; they’ve managed to appease both language groups by accentuating the positive.

    “These problems include that the requested motion is worded in the negative and would also be a reaffirmation of the Township’s existing position of allowing the use of any language for advertising purposes in the Township of South Glengarry.”

  10. Ed   January 12, 2013 at 9:58 AM

    Judging from that well thought out report, it looks like sanity will prevail in South Glengarry.

  11. leo   January 12, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    there are alternatives still left. My understanding is that a proposed by -law can be made and voted on.

    So, propose the very by- laws that was accepted in other townships, and force a vote on it.

    Nice to eddy is reined in, no so sarcastic now are you?

  12. peter   January 12, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    @ All,

    When is the next election in SG?

    As a majority we can vote them out and put in people who WILL respect the will of the people that elected them.

    This is the nice thing about democracy, if WE, THE PEOPLE are not represented as we feel we should, then we can always get them out.

    BTW, can the russell township law be recinded with a new council put in place?

  13. edudyorlik   January 12, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Cory wrote, “How is it in towns like Casselman, a huge Franco-Ontarian flag is permitted to fly with no negative reactions much like what is displayed in the above article?

    Give up?

    It’s because of the apathy of the English speaking people living within the concerned districts to stand up for themselves.”

    And, even worse, these Franco flags fly all year round when the situation revolving around the Anglo flag in the CBC news report in Bathurst was simply about flying the Anglo flag for ONE DAY.

    This is why I have said, and I will say it again. EVERYONE – ALL Anglophones. We all have a duty to be just as vigilant as the Francophones are. When they see things like products on the shelves in their local store stacked with the French facing out, TELL the manager that it should be the other way as this is Ontario. Or, as in Orleans where there is a Metro store with huge French ONLY signs directing shoppers to particular sections of the store. Each and EVERY Anglophone shopper should voice their strong opposition to that directly to the store manager. It’s time to wake up, it’s time to pass this message on to everyone. Tell your friends tell your neighbors. It MAY not simply be a case of apathy, it may just be a sense that people have that something so small like this will not make a different BUT we must help bring awareness to the FACT that these small things DO ADD UP and people should know that. All people need sometimes is to be told about something that is OK to do or to show shown through example.

    And, on that note, check out this video

    Hopefully it will inspire people to ACT in whatever way they feel works for them.

    I am NOT ready to give up

  14. Ed   January 12, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    @ peter. That’s exactly how municipal governance works and is supposed to work.
    And yes, the Russell Township sign law can be rescinded or changed by a future council. As could this hair-brained proposed resolution if passed by the SG council. Read the report. It makes perfect sense.

  15. peter   January 12, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Organize the people that are against bilingualism and urge them to become pro-Active

    Make them aware that this is their fight, and governments at all levels will do NOTHING FOR THEM.

    Instill a sense of urgency, and encourage them not to reel bak when franco groups stsrt their push back

    DO NOT EVER BE INTIMIDATED , especially by francophones, who never ever won a fight on their own, ever.

    What hurts francos the most, IN THE POCKETBOOK, They love money, so play to their waekness.

    Refuse to do any business with any bilingual establishment
    if possible

    boycott, institutions that are pro-bilingual

    Refuse funding or volunteering of any bilingual institution, such as cch, despite the inconvenience this may caue. Look at the big picture.

    Put pressure on people who advance the cause of bilingualism

    \\Make life uncomfortable for those that are reaping the benefits of bilingualism. No one says we have to be nice.

    Create a fund raising campaign to use funds for the promotion of anti-bilingual messages.

    Set up groups in areas where bilingualism exists or is likley to exist, and push hard using the resources above to fend off bilingualism.


    Now lets DO IT

  16. LEO   January 12, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    So Ed,

    Your sarcasism aside, finally!!!

    Are you for forced bilingualism or agaunst it?

    Are you for Freedom of choice or forced signage laws?

    Take a stand, and please don’t be wish-washy

  17. peter   January 12, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    @ Ed,

    I’ll tell you what doesn’t make sense.

    That as a businessman, I pay a huge amount of tax, and I comply with the fundamentals of law within society.

    But, in Russell township and similar places I CANNOT BY LAW PUT UP AN ENGLISH ONLY, OR frecnh ONLY SIGN ?

    Therefore I am NOT FREE TO PROMOTE MY BUSINESS in a MANNER THAT capitalism supports, ands that I pay for.

    Therefore my freedom to express myself has been denied me.

    I have lost the ability to CHOOSE, which is in direct contradiction to the CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS. Three judges agreed, but put aside the law, and ignored both common sense and the legal rights that people have.

    As well. 65% of the federal government jobs are taken by 17% of the population.

    There is NO NEED for the government to have bilingualism ACROSS the board. The needs are simply not there.

    In institutions like hospitals and the like, where maybe 2 in 10 are francophones , if that, cannot justify the bilingualization of these jobs. It defies both logic and need, and is implemented to satisfy the few, not the many. But yet the many PAY for it.

    This has GOT to change and it will. People are fed up and just won’t stand by anymore.

    Common sense dictates that if your customer base is 21% tops, that the language of service be in the majority’s language.

    IN No other palce in the world does this happen.

    These are some of the inequalities that exist in Canada.

    And, yes ,it is a big deal, there are many ,many unfortunates that have been pushed aside courtesy of FORCED AND UNNECESSARY BILINGUALISM.

    This is not an anti-french push. it is a push for common sense laws surrouding the bilingualism policies.

    If you had a business that had 80% English customers, and 20% or less french customers, common sense dictates that you cater to the Majority ( English) .

    There is absolutely no argument that can be made for forced bilingualism, particulaly when the cost per year is between 3.5 and 4 billion a year to implement a policy that has a success rate of between 15-17 %

    This money would be better spent on the poor, MRI’s health and education, and THIS MONEY is the MAJORITY’S tax dollars.

    Plain and simple, it doesn’t work, and won’t work in the future, people will not be FORCED to do anything they don’t want to, and they don’t want this, as reflected by the success rate of forced bilingualism.

  18. peter   January 12, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    @ Ed

    I’ll tell you what doesn’t make sense.

    When a taxpaying businessman cannot put up AN ENGLISH SIGN ONLY or a french only sign to promote and grow his business in any jurisdiction in Canada, that does not make sense.

    The majority of people in Canada are English, and therefore PAY THE MAJORITY OF TAXES HERE.

    Therefore the language of the country, with ,of, course the exception of quebec, which for all intenrts and purposes, is in Canada in NAME , only, should be ENGLISH ONLY Period.

    When the majority of one’s customers comprise 8o% of a language group, then that majority has prioity, that is common sense.

    Here we have a scenario where, only 17% of the country is bilingual and this number is falling.

    The cost to Canadians, who comprise 80% of the population, is between 3.5 and 4 billion dollars per year.

    Nonsense and waste, This money would be better spent on the poor, MRI’S health and education. These are REAL AND URGENT NEEDS OF CANADIANS. Not wheather to appease 21% of the population ,of which 17% comes from quebec.

    So in reality, we are catering to 4% of the population, cost 3,5 tp-4 billion dollars , that’s billion with a with a B.

    Does this make any sense to you ED?

    In your personal life would you do this deal?

    Yes or No?

    IN addition, we have bilingual institutions that serve at most 2 in 10 francophones.

    Yet why are these instituions designated as bilingual ?

    There is no need here. Period.

    The result has been the English been sacrificed to the french UNECSSARILY.

    So if you are the unfortunate English person that has had your job raped by this policy, well tough luck

    THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE and has to and WILL change.

    This is not anti- french as mush as it is pro-Englsih.
    The balance has tilted too far the other way.

    People are really getting to a point where mass action is now being contemplated and decisions of the how and when are being examined.

    Not only that, it is about time.

  19. stellabystarlight   January 12, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    OMG peter……I am concerned for your health man. I hope this doesn’t kill you!!!

    Yep…..peter says let’s have a revolution. Good idea, let’s start killing each other because of language on signs….LOL UNBELIEVABLE!!!

    The freedom fighters keep crying that Canada is no longer a democratic country….PLEASE!! Move to the Middle East, if you want true democracy **smile** NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE LANGUAGE ON SIGNS EXCEPT THE ENGLISH FREEDOM FIGHTERS…….GOT THAT?

    Let me remind you guys that the g is not an elected official and doesn’t have the authority nor the power to dictate to any township or city how they should run their business……capish?

    One thing I find interesting is when listening to the savior’s video, he indicated, like many of his followers do here, that people must come together, which would indicate you guys don’t have enough support…….yet some claim that the entire country is behind them and that other countries around the world are taking interest…….LOL Someone is certainly throwing it **smile**

  20. Ed   January 12, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    So Leo,
    I’m not sure who the hell you think you are to demand that I answer your questions. That ain’t gonna happen. Got that?
    I’m saying that this asinine proposed resolution is a waste of everybody’s time and energy because, as the report states, no council can pass a resolution that will tie the hands of any future council. Even you should be able to grasp that simple concept.
    If people object to bylaws in a particular municipality, they should be working to get councilors elected there who will change or rescind those bylaws. That’s how municipal politics (democracy) works.
    Grandstanding and chest-thumping in front of TV cameras might be fun for attention seekers, but it will change nothing without getting involved in the election orocess.

  21. Ed   January 12, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    edit “election process.”

  22. stellabystarlight   January 12, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    peter…….sorry about that it’s leo who said let’s have a revolution, which is so idiotic…..

  23. Cory Cameron   January 12, 2013 at 4:31 PM


    You last post hit the nail on the head, good sir!

    I would add something as well to it.

    I would advise that those business owners who feel inclined in Russel to ignore the sign law, do so. Already in that township, there are several publicly funded Francophone organizations that have done so; posting signs in the language of their choice.

    Obviously, if they haven’t been reprimanded by the Township, then it stands to reason that Anglophone organizations will also not be reprimanded for not following the law. If they are indeed chastised and fined – then the proof is in the pudding indeed and there will be a very clear and concise statement being made. And that is that French organizations will be above the law simply because they are French.

    And then watch the rest of Canada take notice. But alas, I think the rest of Canada already has taken notice of all of this thanks to the unbelievable reporting efforts of the great people at CFN.

    This is indeed the ‘winter of discontent’.

  24. leo   January 12, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    its time to literally take the bull by the horns and start to not play nice.

    I already have begun. I am an avid golfer, and to that end , I have cancelled my golf membership at casselview G.C in Casselaman. This is a predominently french course ,owned and operated, with many anglo members.

    As of Monday there will be 11 less anglo members.

    I will NOT SHOP AT ANY jean coture, or do any banking at desjardins branches.

    I have passed this info to as many of friends as I can and I can assure they will seriously consider following suit.

    It really doesn’t take much in small communities and when the word spreads , it spreads.

    Time to hit them where it hurts, in the pocketbook.

    We may not be able to have a tax revolt , but that doesn’t mean we can’t fight back, and hurt hard in other ways

    Let the word spread far and wide.

  25. admin   January 12, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    Leo, silly question, but isn’t that a knife that cuts both ways…

  26. leo   January 12, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    Easy Ed, you will blow a gasget.

    I am just asking you your take. You are very liberal with commenting on others’ views , but very shallow on your views.

    We want to be enlightened. Eddy

    Your post has reverted to the real ed we have come to know and love. Tainted with sarcasim and a most defensive tone that you were warned against .

    Gee ed, it was ONLY a few questions. Nothing more, ease up on the anger man.

    I would also like to know where you got your information regarding municipal politics. I know eddy, you don’t have to answer, but please educate us on your vast experience with these issues. we are all in awe.

    And Oh ed, the reason that the SG stated refused to hear the resolution, was because there was not AN EXISTING BY LAW on signage. Therefore a resolution was moot.

    So when you say, it ties the hands of future councillors, this is impossible, since NO BY -LAW CURRENTLY EXISTS IN SG to tie any ones hands.


    And Ed, it really looks good on you.



  27. peter   January 12, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    @ Stella

    Please do not misquote me. I never said lets have a revolution

  28. leo   January 12, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    @ admin,

    With all due respsect

    In oder to respond please tell me

    what questions are you referring to

    I will follow up with my answers

    Thank you

  29. Ed   January 12, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    Sorry to repeat myself, but if you don’t like the way a municipality is being run, you should get involved in getting councilors elected who see things your way. Revolutions are generally frowned upon where politicians (law makers) are freely elected. By all means, don’t patronize stores and golf clubs that don’t meet with your approval. Nothing wrong with that. I do it all the time, and so do most people.
    @ Peter. If the majority of the voters in your municipality supports the council and the sign law, and you can’t change their minds, maybe you should consider moving further inland from the Quebec border. You are free to do that.

  30. leo   January 12, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    @ Stella,

    With all due respect

    I see old habits die hard. Back to name calling, stella

    I guess your appeal to admin was phoney when you alluded to the fsct that you didn;t want to get brownie points and were glad that jamie was keeping a lid on things before they got out of hand.

    Things like abuse and name calling right

    Yet you turn around and call me an idiot

    Nice stella, nice

    Its ok for you to name call, but not anyone else, right


  31. outofcornwall   January 12, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Funny you should say nobody cares about language on signs. If that’s the truth how come it’s french only in Quebec?
    You and others are always so judgmental of those in Ont. trying to keep English as the language in Ontario yet so understanding of Quebec who is french only.
    Maybe I haven’t followed it enough to understand the difference can you explain please?

  32. Tim   January 12, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    Admin, francophones have been doing this for many years, i.e. patronizing businesses of their their fellow French tribesmen. They even boycott Wal-Mart because it’s an American company. They hate anything English.

  33. Barry Renouf   January 12, 2013 at 7:27 PM


    Although I have spent the last three years fighting forced Frenchification and will continue to do so with unprecedented enthusiasm. the N.B. Anglo Society got what they deserved in Bathurst because they choose to celebrate their Anglo day on the same date as the French loss at the battle on the Plains of Abraham. Talk about a slap in the face.
    This is why they have been refused flag raising in all cities in N.B. and they still haven’t figured out why. I think a name change to the N.B. Neanderthal Society would suffice, don’t you?

  34. highlander   January 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    stellabystarlight January 12, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    ” Yep…..peter says let’s have a revolution. Good idea, let’s start killing each other because of language on signs…”

    What now your advocating killing Stella ,don’t you think your pushing it too far?

    ” The freedom fighters keep crying that Canada is no longer a democratic country….PLEASE!! Move to the Middle East, if you want true democracy **smile**”

    Why Stella do you feel that you must tell others to MOVE,MOVE WEST,MOVE TO THE STATES ,MOVE TO THE MIDDLE EAST .

  35. leo   January 12, 2013 at 8:43 PM

    @ ed

    Who said a revolution had to be violent or against politicans.

    FYI : there are many different types of revolutions.

    By boycotting anything bilingual, that is a revolt against their racist and anti- English policies, and so on.

    As for politicans, frowning on revolts, many democratic nations were founded on revolution. France, USA are but two.

    So wheather revolutions are liked or not by politicans is irrelevent.

    politicans ( law makers) are the cause of revolutions in many cases.

    They ( politicans) sometimes get too complacent and take for granted that they are the SERVANTS OF PEOPLE, and when the poeple have had enough, as in the case of forced bimingualism they react and sometimes this may entail a revolution.

    Look at quebec in the 1960’s. Their revolution was bloody and murderous. does Pierre LaPote ring a bell?

    So please no lectures on revolution. If a governemnt, any government really ticks off the people enough, then they deserve
    all that they get.

  36. peter   January 12, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    @ ED

    There is no way in hell I will move or be pushed out of my home province for any forced bilingual policy , or council that is not doing what we elected them to do.

    If anything I will go the other way whatever it takes within the law.

    Don’t think for a moment that there are not other stradgies that can be applied to make life as uncomfortable for the french as it potentially is for the English.

    This battle for forced bilingualism is only in its infancy

    Rome was not built in a day. The fight is just starting.

    Were are not even in the pre game warmup. Wheather you admit this or not, but the bloggers here well outnumber the pro-french set, by a wide ,wide margin. Many of us are in constant contact through CLF .

    add to that number the English silent majority reading and keeping track of what is going on.

    his is a microcosism of society, inthat it has a huge following.

    So you can confidentlyn mulpily by 10 or more the numbers of English supporters we have yet to hear from

    What we post here is not all of what we know and are planning.

    So please, ed, NEVER, EVER Think for one second that moving further west is an option for us. If anything we ill go the other right into their faces and then some, all within the law of course.

    As for council changes, it has already happen in Russell, and if need be it will happen again, until we get in who WE THE PEOPLE WANT TO REPRESENT US AS WE WANT.

  37. stellabystarlight   January 12, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    Peter I did apologize……Let the revolution begin was leo’s comment which is idiotic……getting down on my knees and begging forgiveness for I have sinned **smile**

    outof Cornwall…….I really don’t care what they do in Quebec…..this is Ontario and you can trust me on this one…..NOBODY BUT THE ENGLISH FREEDOM FIGHTERS CARE about the language on signs……

    highlander….not worth responding to, as usual you distort everything to make it look worse.

    leo wrote: “Yet you turn around and call me an idiot” you are getting as bad as the piper for twisting things around. FYI leo what I did say was your statement “Let the revolution begin” is idiotic……capish?

  38. leo   January 12, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    @ Stella,

    I will try to make this as simple as I can.


    There are many types of revolutions. Not all are like the murderous kinds as in quebec.

    Ever hear of Pierre LaPorte?

    The FLQ ?

    The RIN ?

    Quebec’s glourious murderous history, or will you try to bury that as well?

    So by referring to me as an idiot, because you ASSUMED that I was referring to violence, again, goes to your lack of crediabilty and intelligance.

    Stella, try to stay focused

  39. peter   January 12, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    @ Barry

    Good for the anglo society of N.B.

    its about time we hit back

    French groups have no trouble in walking on a Canadian flag on July 1st.

    french groups have no trouble trashing the british institutions that are a large part of our canadian heritage

    french groups have no trouble disrespecting canadians and constantly saying how much they are hard done by

    french groups have no trouble in trashing all that is canadian and English do they?

    Tough, they did loose at the PLAINS OF ABRAHAM, it is part of our History.

    I hope more anglo groups across canada do exactly what the Anglo society of N,B, did.

    They are an example to us all. Good for them Bravo

    The french may now realize that we have had enough of their running roughshod over the English, in this country.

    I have too much pride to allow them or anyone else to disrespect Canada.

    If they want respect , then give respect. Trash my anglo roots and Canadian heritage, and you get it back in kind.


  40. Stephen   January 12, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    If the plains of Abraham are under federal jurisdiction why can we not get permission to reenact the battle just to ensure that people know why they will remember
    As an immigrant to Canada I am amazed at the audacity of the Quebec French hat after being decimated at the plains of Abraham the British let them stay and that still is not enough

    For a reenactment we just need to hire 10,000 French speakers and get 2,000 to play the part of the brave highlanders.
    Any self respecting government department should have these sort of numbers.

    As far as bilingualism goes, it is cute that we have that in Canada, but the forced use of language in Quebec and the forced embracing of it outside Quebec is wrong.

    It should be the same rules across the nation.

    Both languages offered but not required
    Think of the tax payers dollars we would save

  41. Cory Cameron   January 12, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    Ed comments:

    “If people object to bylaws in a particular municipality, they should be working to get councilors elected there who will change or rescind those bylaws.”

    Your’re right, Ed. But I do think too that once those councilors are elected, they should represent the constituents as a whole and not solely any group or individuals that elected them; which may in turn result in favouritism. Majority rules, right? For it’s not just the people that elected those councilors who live in the region, right? Perhaps others didn’t get elected who represented other groups?

    And then we have various situations where we’ve tried to get the politicians to represent us, or at least to hear us out, right? What about Howard Galganov’s plea to get M.P Guy Lauzon to hear his concerns at the South Stormont meeting? A man and politician whom Howard voted for I might add!

    I thought that’s what town hall meetings were for? To discuss these controversial changes that some or most have problems with?

    At all levels of government; municipal, provincial and federal, are the elected officials not responsible for the interests of everyone and not just a few?

    Jamie alluded to this idea of responsible citizenship in the, ‘All Eyes Now…’ article when speaking of the current debate about the sale of the Cornwall General Hospital:

    “it we the public sleeping at the wheel that allowed such appointments and culture to evolve? Surely if more people were active, showed up at council, spoke to their elected officials and protested where necessary such a climate could not flourish?”

    There are French organizations in Russel Town. that are flatly ignoring the very laws that are instituted supposedly to benefit the French language. And I must say that I don’t blame them. Why would they want to advertise in English if not trying to attract English clientele to their establishment?

    And, well, you know that

    So obviously, I have to conclude the following:

    That at least in Russel Township and South Glengarry, the councils are not representing the public’s wishes but are only guessing as to what the public wants instituted. For if in Russel Township, both the Francophone community doesn’t support the bilingual sign by-law (as proof of several French organizations advertising in French only) and neither do the English community (as proof of the backlash on CFN by posters), then who does? Do simply the councils, politicians and judiciary put laws into practice that they think will most likely benefit their constituents without first consulting them?

    This is why we get so upset when you claim that we are anti-French. We are simply freedom loving citizens who know and possess the abilities to make informed and important decisions on our own without the controlling hand of BIG government.

    With Kindest Regards,


  42. Naturally Frustrated   January 12, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    I’m a White, English, Christian, Woman….can it get any worse…oh yeah, I’m an experienced unemployed registered nurse…….. in Cornwall!
    I think I’ll go on welfare in Quebec and collect free money from the French tax payers while flying an English flag on my rental balcony and celebrating not just a regular holiday….but CHRISTmas….
    Just sayin….

  43. concerned citizen 2   January 12, 2013 at 10:09 PM


    The English haters favorite past-time is telling Anglophones to move.

    I think we should tell them to move to Quebec, as Ontario is an ENGLISH province!!!

    What’s good for the goose should be good for the gander….

  44. peter   January 12, 2013 at 11:09 PM

    @ all that HAVE read, are English and have yet to be heard from’

    If you agree that forced bilingualism is wrong for Onartio in particular and Canada in general , we NEED to hear from you

    If you are fed up an English canadian, of being dumped on by the french in canada and in particular quebec, we NEED to heaR from you.

    If you are an Englsih Canadian that is fed up with your tax dollars going to support and fund a bilingualism policy in this country that is at best 17% successful and costs between 3.5 and 4 billion a years of your tax dollars, we NEED to hear from you.

    If you as a Canadian are fed up paying a QUARTER OF A TRILLION DOLLARS TO quebec since 1958 in transfer and grants to quebec we NEED to hear from you.

    Are you an Englsih canadian that is really fed up with federal goernments that cater to and condone the actions of the quebec governments and francophone groups to do as they please with English canadians taxpayer money with no regards for the wants and needs of English canadians. Then we NEED TO HEAR FROPM YOU.

    We NEED to hear from many and all canadians that are, for one reason or another just fed up with or dissatified with the way quebec and and the french completely disrespect the English and run roughshod over our culture and language, then we NEED to hear from you

    if you have lost a job or are forced to be in a job with no advancement because of the policy of bilingualism then WE NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU

    Please post on CFN and let everyone know how dissatified and angry we are. Let them know WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE


  45. leo   January 12, 2013 at 11:22 PM


    Nice try, your dipiction of me was that of an idiot. I was born at night, but NOT LAST NIGHT

    You even went so far as to accuse peter, who never said anything regarding the word revolution.

    Are you now going to email jamie and say , this is not about brownie points but……….

    Still name calling and this after you are telling Jamie things were getting out of hand

    You have more nerve than a tooth ache

    By the way, WE IN ONTARIO are trying to protect ourselves from being quebec or anything like it

    we are 92% + English here. That;s the way we want it kept,

    Not bilingual, not french BUT ENGLISH, we want to be in Ontario as English as quebec is frecnh and then some

  46. Stephen   January 12, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    Well said Peter

    I am fed up when my kids are forced to take French at school yet are not going to work in government or in call centre jobs, and they could be learning something more useful

    I am fed up when apologists try to get Quebec born French speakers to be hired as a bilingual French speaker that is anglophone is not good enough

    At the end of the day, the goodwill towards Quebec will be destroyed by the actions of the Quebec French and also by the actions of the French that moved to Ontario and demand to be treated more preferentially than the English in Ontario

    Apart from Haiti, the Congo, morocco, France and Quebec, no one else speaks it

    If French schools were only funded by the number of people that sent their children there, there would be about three schools serving Ontario

    As it is, tax dollars are diverted to ensure that not one child goes without.

    Then look at the Quebec side, where anglophone children are being vilified.

    The French might win a battle, but history has shown they can never win a war, so they should think about the cheap political points they are trying to get at present and the ramifications in the long run of that point scoring.

  47. peter   January 12, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    @ stephen

    Now you know Canada`s dirty littel secret.

    AS long as bill101 exists and the Englsih are treated like the minirity as opposed to the majority then Canada is far from the best nation in the world,

    Not even close. Tell all your friends here and from your homeland the truth about our fair nation.

    The culpret, quebec and the french zealots that have conned Canadian governemnts into believing that they are endangered.

    Plus,let not forget the worse candian P.M. in History P.E. Trudeau.

    Thanks Stephen

  48. peter   January 12, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    @ Stephen

    Thank you stephen.

    You may want to look up the CLF web site. They are trying their best to meet the needs of disgrunteled Anglos.

    Please pass the word on. We are only begininng to fight back.

    keep reading on CFN as well.



  49. Naturally Frustrated   January 12, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    Parents, visit your principle, contact the superintendents, remove your children from French class. Math and English should be priority. In a world where children are not failed, they deserve a fighting chance at passing as adults. Besides, who’s going to work in Quebec when the world is our oyster…

  50. concerned citizen 2   January 13, 2013 at 12:57 AM

    January 12, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    “out of Cornwall…….I really don’t care what they do in Quebec…..this is Ontario and you can trust me on this one….”

    So Stella you wouldn’t care if Quebec separates !Do I
    get that right by your above statement!

    Stella these are your words:

    “Yep…..peter says let’s have a revolution. Good idea, let’s start killing each other because of language on signs”

    Stella they are your words ,not anybody else’s,but your words!

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