Cornwall Council Losing Support
Cornwall City Council could NOT do a better job of losing support from those in the community. City Council has done a wonderful job of letting down so many in the community and this year’s budgeting process is no better!
Here is a short list of those who may feel slighted and/or left wanting more from our current Council and Mayor:
- Cornwall Community Hospital – We need an MRI machine and due to the large funding initiatives brought forward for the construction and renovation of the Hospital the community could not afford to give anymore. If council would have seen that the community was going to be affected by the recession and that the government was going to soon reduce transfer payments then it could have easily have afforded to support the hospital further by donating to ensure Cornwall gets an MRI machine! I love the Benson Centre but it blows my mind to see how much we spend on a hockey arena vs. health care! …But then again nothing surprises me with this council! This council has the potential to perform anywhere in between Amazing and WTF……unfortunately I find myself saying WTF far too often!
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- Language Fairness for All – Although I fully agreed with supporting the hospital and not for withdrawing or holding on to funds. Council could have communicated better and tried to find common ground and have supported both sides of the debate instead of one! Politically speaking these are very difficult times but nothing is impossible if believe and strive to achieve the goal! Sometimes getting involved behind the scenes and bringing two sides together is easier than you would have thought! However, staying neutral and doing nothing may reduce risk and work but you will be never become great unless you work harder than everyone else!
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- Cornwall Free News – after creating a special bylaw stating that it would not advertise with any on-line media firm who allows anonymous post; Cornwall continued to spend money with all its current media outlets but one (The Cornwall Free News); who allowed anonymous post! Why?
Only one logical reason would explain this action, the Cornwall Free News had placed articles and posted questions that highlighted or made the community aware of certain things the Mayor and Council wanted to hide behind closed doors!
- The General Public – Council Andre Rivette won a small battle vs. the rest of council and more importantly the Mayor by proving that the Mayor was out of line when he allowed councillors to attack him personally in a closed door meeting! The general public where angered and unfortunately not a single councillor other than Mr. Rivette even addressed the public.
Why, in an effort to remain transparent, where council and the clerk not informing the public of closed door meetings? Is this not mandatory or at least shouldn’t it be if you truly want to be transparent? Was this intentional and more importantly why? Should you be ostracized for asking these questions?
Why didn’t anyone on council make an attempt to respond – ex. “Council (I) would like to thank you for attending but unfortunately we cannot discuss any details at this time. We (I) would like to ensure you that we (I) are acting accordingly and cannot answer any direct questions to protect the integrity and relationships with all of those involved! When council has further information we will provide you with as much detail as possible!”……………………………Oh, wait I forgot! You would have to care and put some effort forward to do something as frugal as a proper media release! Wait don’t we pay someone to do this? Why are we paying someone to respond for our elected municipal councillors? Do they not get paid to perform as a politician? Can we cut costs by eliminating the position?
- Leslie O’Shaughnessy – Resigned after he could NOT deal with all of the scrutiny involved with so many closed door meetings……….or so we think! We were promised a reason from Leslie a long time ago but to this day Mr. O’Shaughnessy has not released anything! I respect his decision to step away from such a regressive council but he must realize his supporters deserve answers! Good Luck Leslie and I hope eliminating the work load and stresses of the position have improved your quality of life!
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- The Cornwall Community Action Group – Was formed by a leadership of Gerry Benson, Sandy Cameron, Dr. Michel Dubuc, Roy Perkins and a few others. The group claims that City Council has burdened the community with high taxes and claims that our community would benefit from a tax freeze or reduction in the tax levy. Currently we are going to see a big tax increase and despite the advertised tax rates we are paying more than the 2.9% advertise! A few years ago our average assessed home was near the $100,000 mark and now we sit around $160,000!
Due to increased assessments and continuous tax rate increases, the burden to the tax payer constantly rises unless the tax rate is decreased! Please do not be confused by this since it is very simple! Your assessed value of your home times the tax rate gives us your property taxes (not including education, water and other taxes)! If your house assessment continues to rise and the tax rate did not change (or saw a 0% rise – this is what would be advertised) you would still pay more in taxes!
Ex. 2010 – $100,000 (assessed home value) x .018 (Tax Rate) – $1,800
2011 – $120,000 (assessed home value) x .018 (Tax Rate) – $2,160
2012 – $140,000 (assessed home value) x .018 (Tax Rate) – $2,520
In a perfect world council would maintain and look for savings by holding division managers to tight budgets and ensure the community is not over burdened with taxes! Ensure our Seniors and less fortunate do not need to visit the AGAPE or use Ontario Works as frequently and continuously work to reduce the number of people on assistance by ensuring our quality of life and employment is better than any other community!
South Stormont vs. South Glengarry
Congratulations to South Glengarry for showing true brilliance! If there is no problem present then there is no need to address a negative and (for lack of a better term) useless proposal!
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Although, South Stormont had a different amendment they still didn’t catch such a clearly stated point in South Glengarry! Due to Robert’s Rules of Order you cannot reaffirm a current position and also negative positions such as “Not Mandate” are clearly out of order!
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Here is why: You cannot reaffirm a bylaw or position. What if it loses? Then you have a motion with no solution. A motion must be to make a change! Furthermore, it cannot bind future councils therefore cannot state what people cannot support! For example a sign bylaw can state dimensions and can state what languages it must be written in but cannot say that no future council can ever change the bylaw. Also, if there is no bylaw stating which language must be written on signs then you are FREE to do as you please!
Mr. Galganov wasted supporter’s money by not properly preparing nor presenting a suitable motion to council……………………..but really the only people upset with this:
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1) The Hospital Protesting Language Activist and
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2) Everyone else because we are sick of hearing this small group complain about Quebec and other counties!!!!! Stick to our current issues and trying to provide valid solutions to improve our community!
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Change the things you feel are wrong by going to those communities and stop wasting tax payers dollars by tying up our Council’s who obviously have more important things to do after coming out of a recession and staring a potential new one in the face!
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Thank You,
Mike Bedard
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@Tim Re: January 20, 2013 at 2:27 pm POST
Tim wrote, “”Quebec making a clear decision to stay in Canada”..eh? At what price, admin? Giving the exorbitant price English Canada pays Quebec to stay in, it is not worth it. Let’s divorce amicably. It is possible now because BOTH sides desire it.
Touchez to you … Well said… AND VERY TRUE…
@admin January 20, 2013 at 2:30 pm
admin wrote, “I believe that Quebecers do not want to leave Canada. I also believe Canadians don’t want Quebec to go. Quebecers have to stand up to the Separatists and say enough.”
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With all due respect sir,
OF COURSE THEY DON’T WANT TO LEAVE Canada !!!! As a parasite, would you want to leave an entity / host that coddles your ever desire and hands you billions of dollars a year to not only promote your own insane agenda within the “province” of Quebec but then gives you billions more to help you extend and promote that same agenda outside of that province to ALL of the host COUNTRY?
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C’mon. This is where things get really messed up. We have to take our head out of the sand and clouds and realize that the powers that be in Quebec are running the show and WILL ALWAYS run the show. It’s a done deal. They are entrenched now and are driving full steam ahead towards their ultimate dream of A — FRENCH ONLY — Quebec, with possibly / likelihood of the long term goal being a — French ONLY — Canada. IF WE DO NOTHING but pretend that it’s just peachy keen and hope “they stand up” as you say, then we’re done like toast.
If you can argue that, — changing how Quebec treats the English language — is a lost cause then HOW ON EARTH can even begin to think this as a possible solution or thing that could happen
“Quebecers have to stand up to the Separatists and say enough.”
Further more, there is A HUGE amount of silent acceptance to what is taking place in Quebec. MUCH MORE THAN we see and KNOW of…
Example.. that story with the paramedic. When many Quebecer’s see that in the privacy of their homes sitting amongst “like minded French people” they don’t say, “oh, that poor man. In his state of fear for his child, that paramedic should have spoken to him in English.” NO, they say (as we saw here on this site) that man should have been the one to speak French or, living here in Quebec he DAMN WELL SHOULD KNOW FRENCH… period.
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Then these same people when asked publicly very politely say, oh no, this is a nice place it should have been handled better. Thus avoiding the French part of the issue all together.
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That little weasel at 1:55 of this story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFOQjzNK9Ec
epitomizes a great deal of the “silent” sentiment in that province. It’s sometimes what goes on behind the scenes and away from the light of day that is
— WHAT IS VERY IMPORTANT to understand and appreciate…
I witnessed this behavior from the inside of the French circle how they talk and act when they believe — they are amongst their own — and let me tell ya, it would make a great hidden camera 60 minutes episode. It would actually blow most people away to know that this is how they think of their fellow Canadians strictly because they believe their language and culture is BETTER. Then of course you add the extra payer they are taught from childhood that the Anglo’s are the “bad” colonists.
@ ed
Speaking English in quebec is more than atrocity, it borders on being illegal, not to mention, if you have a sick child, you better speak french or they decide to let the child die
Not dramatics here, but recorded fact, this you cannot deny
Ed, the West would rather separate themselves than continue the charade of keeping extortionist Quebec in Canada. I’d rather keep the West and kick Quebec out.
Jamie,
I agree with you that I’d like to see Quebec remain in Canada as well. It’s nice to think that we’re all Canadians and everything will work out in the end. But I have to agree with Edudyorlik, Tim, peter and others as to their arguments.
Let’s look at the language issue. Why haven’t the people of Quebec spoken out against these laws that restrict the use of a language? How can the Quebec population tolerate language police? Do they not understand the restrictions of freedoms being placed on not only a Non-Francophone minority but even their own Freedom of choice to practice a second language?
This type of mentality bothers me. And like you said, and I myself am fearful of it, this stuff has moved into Ontario now too. And, like Quebec, we see most people not speaking up against it as well. Again, why is that? What can one say? I now have to admit to myself that I think most of my fellow Canadians don’t like to make decisions for themselves and would rather see the BIG hand of government make decisions impacting their daily lives. This is scary. It shows that rather than have our elected representatives represent our wishes they seem to think that with a lack of guidance from us it indicates they can act on our behalf without the consultation of the citizenry. And, with the Canadian mindset, I would have to agree with the politician’s outtake on it as well!
The politicians must be thinking well, if they don’t speak out against our decisions – they must agree with us!
@ Peter. I won’t deny that a paramedic in Quebec might have spoken to an English person in French. I’m sure it happens almost every day. And I’m willing to bet that paramedics all over the “rest of Canada” regularly speak to Francophones and everybody else in English.
I can’t make sense of your last comment…
Are you saying that paramedics in Quebec let children of Anglophone parents die? Is that what you meant to say? Do they just toss them into a snowbank and drive away?
Cory (and whomever) for me it’s simple. Canadians need to have an official dialog. There has to be some form of consensus as to what Canada wants from Quebec and Quebec wants from Canada.
Until you get to that point what exactly are you arguing about?
IF you achieve those goals and there is no rapprochement then it’s time to consider more drastic action. Some of this talk is like having sex without foreplay…
@ Ed
No, what I am saying is that a para -medic made a political statement, in a potentially life or death situtation.
Tell me ed, if the the worst happened, and the child died, what would you have said then ?
As for the rest of canada, if an instance had occurred, as it does, sometimes, a para- medic, would not SAY words to the efect here we speak English, if he or she did, then they would be fired on the spot and you know it.
I can name you many hospitals that have french and mandarin and others language translators available, on demand.
Some include, burlington regional, brampton memorial, credit Valley, edmonton general, , to name but a few.
this was a poitICAL STAEMENT , PURE AND SIMPLE.
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST OF THESE INCIDENTS TO OCCURR IN QUEBEC.
Try getting lost and asking a MTC montreal transport commission employee ( Bus driver, or metro ticket taker) for directions in English.
Is ti an atrocity to speak English ED, as to your previous question?
Ed, this is a different culture and society very, very far removed from Canada. There is No commonality . There is NOTHING CANADIAN ABOUT quebec.
Just look at history for last 50+ years to see what has happened.
many quebeckers themselves want out, the majority said so in the last election as full 66% voted for a sovereignist party of one kind or another.
The CAC is a separatist party in witing.
Francois Legault, has stated he wants to separate “when conditions are right”. CODE FOR WHEN QUEBEC SQUEEZES EVERY DIME OUT OF CANADA AND RIGHTS ITSELF ECONOMICALLY, WE GO.
Talk about us, you guys should really take a deep hard look at REALITY here.
And to admin’s point that Cnadians want to have quebec in, take another look, that number is VERY RAPIDLY swinging for quebec to get out, by the day, Jamie
@ Tim. I’m assuming that to you, the West is Alberta?
I agree that there are some rural pockets in Alberta where semi-literate bozos who have never been east of Saskatchewan want to boot Quebec out of Canada. They want to boot Ontario out too. These same knuckle-draggers hate BCers almost as much.
@ admin
Did I read you correctly when you say that canadians have to have an official dialog?
What quebec wants from canada is obvious by the laws they have passed. They want EVERYTHING FROM CANADA MONETARIALY, and give NOTHING back in return.
Are you kidding me with that statement you made ?
Look what they have done the last 50+ years.
They have their own immigration system. they have quebec embassies and a quebec house representating quebec ONLY in many , many countires thoughtout the world.
We pay for these buildings by the way, are you happy about that?
They are the premier representative of the summitt of the FRANCOPHONIE . NOT CANADA.
Jamie, what more do you need ?
NO US state would ever do this, nor would the US constitution ALLOW IT
As far as what Canadians want , what it is becoming clearer and clearer every day they are truly fed up, and rightly so.
Come on, quit bieng so naive as to think for one second quebec wants to stay in canada when a full, as previously mentioned 66% voted for separation.
I can’t believe that you want wait another 50+ years of draining Canadian tax dollars to know what is the obvious .
Have you not viewed dany Williams Vidoe on CBC ?
Here is a guy who is a hell of a lot closer to politics and politicans than you are.
He is also a straight shooter.
Jamie, wake up and smell the roses.
@ Ed
I can tell you people in Saskatchewan, ( saskatoon ) formers quebeckers ( they lived on provost St lachine) very well educated that feel quebec should go. This is a following here
I have friends in calgary well educated and former quebeckers, from ville Lasalle, ville Emard and Montreal nord . tha feel quebec should go.
ed, I could go on and on, so what you are saying is NOT isolated or confined to the illiterate, or unedcuated.
I lived in 13 canadian cities from coast to coast. I hAVE DONE EXTENSIVE BUSINESS WITH MANY OF THESE PROFESSIONALS AS WELL AS COMPETITORS.
There is a very large silent majority out there that wants and prefers if quebec would leave.
The reasons:
1) Cultural
2) economic
3) health of both Canada and quebec
4) Commonality
5) political differences that are not resolveable
6) language
And a whole host of others reasons too lenghty to go into here.
So Ed, please do a little homewok before you make statements that most people that want quebec out are illiterate and hot heads.
These are the people I know of. if you were to take a poll. using the data that statistics teaches us, you may find the numbers for wanting quebecers out are in fact substanical and growing.
And this among middle and upper class Canaians, and ed, ESPECIALLY THE YOUTH.
Wow, Peter! We live on different planets. No point to continuing this BS.
Anybody know where Mr. Galganov will be holding his next gong-show?
Re: what admin wrote to Cory (and whomever) on January 20, 2013 at 4:44 pm
“Cory (and whomever) for me it’s simple. Canadians need to have an official dialog. There has to be some form of consensus as to what Canada wants from Quebec and Quebec wants from Canada.
Until you get to that point what exactly are you arguing about?
IF you achieve those goals and there is no rapprochement then it’s time to consider more drastic action. Some of this talk is like having sex without foreplay…
I HAVE TO agree with you admin. Your solid voice of reason is a good thing on many occasions. That being said, i somehow feel that this (similar to small protests) is a testing ground of sorts. It is almost as if we are all bantering about waiting for JUST THE RIGHT set of words / voice so that we can all latch on and run with it. We are desperately in need of a dare i say it, Trudeau ‘esk character to suddenly come from behind a curtain somewhere and lead us with words of wisdom and a strong sense of self.
Someone we can push up to the podium and let him captivate and draw in all those Anglophones who are just desperately waiting for this messiah as well.
It’s a bit of a jockeying for position and feel everyone out while using all the info to formulate your own strategies for what you as an individual wants to do in the mean time.
But again, you’re right WE DO NEED this official dialogue to happen ASAP. As can no longer accept and participate in our own demise the way we are doing its total insanity. Continuing to give our tax dollars to Quebec and the French ON EVERY LEVEL (taxes, support for the Franco this and the Franco and transfer payments) is tantamount to giving monthly payments to your executioner so he can ultimately afford the weapon he is going to use wipe you off the face of this earth with. IT JUST DOESN’T MAKE sense that Anglophones keep allowing this to carry on.
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Ed wrote, “ I’m willing to bet that paramedics all over the “rest of Canada” regularly speak to Francophones and everybody else in English.”
Ed, this is not debatable. It’s like a French person going to Russia and saying, how come the paramedic spoke Russian and not French.” Will you get it through your head that the common language in CANADA is ENGLISH and ALL its citizens have a duty to learn the common language of the country within which they live. You can jump up and down and stand on your head all day long telling me how this country has two official languages and all i will tell you is that’s fine and nice but this country is NOT officially BILINGUAL. Period. Therefore the minority language, as i said, has a duty to KNOW the common language of the country. And furthermore, between you and i and the gate post, MOST French people know English (as they almost have to considering if they want to business with anywhere else in the world it’s a must) but they just simply refuse to speak it. And, i have it on good grounds that this is a choice they pass on to each other like a secret handshake.
PLUS, it seems to me that it is the rest of the country that is NOW trying to accommodate the French and have French this and French that while at the very same time you ping to paramedics in the minority language / province who simply refuse. What the he(( does that tell you ? oh, never mind answering. I know your side of this is blatantly insensitive to the whole concept because well, your so hooked on protecting your language and culture it doesn’t matter if a few people die along the way. And yes, i have my own personal experiences with this. It is indeed pretty sad state of affairs when people are willing to abuse others and treat others badly because they don’t speak their language – especially in a hospital or health care situation.
Oh but Ed, here’s one of those – hard to find positives buried in something you said — I did like your term, “knuckle draggers” made me smile.
“Canadians need to have an official dialog. There has to be some form of consensus as to what Canada wants from Quebec and Quebec wants from Canada”, said admin.
We already had “official dialog” several times – Meech Lake and Charlottetown. We already know what Quebec wants: “distinct society” entrenched in the Constitution (which “means dick”, as Mulroney put it), sovereignty association (do as they want but Canada paying the bills). CANADIANS SAID NO, merci beaucoup.
No Tim. That was only a group of Politicians. I’m talking about all Canadians.
Admin, Canadians would not even come close at what took place at Meech Lake and Charlottetown.
@ admin
then why did you use the term official dialog?
@ ed
When people present facts to you, and have them backed up, why do you dismiss these as conjecture?
if you can provide anything that contradicts what I have stated, please feel free to put that on the table,
But back up what you say.
You come to a gun fight, not with a knife, but with a rubber knife to boot and you look very, very, silly, and I am being kind.
edudyorlic, loved your reply to Ed: “You can jump up and down and stand on your head all day long telling me how this country has two official languages and all i will tell you is that’s fine and nice but this country is NOT officially BILINGUAL. ”
Indeed. Demographically, Canada is not bilingual, official or otherwise.
Hey Peter, I used to live on Duff Court just north of Provost around ’69. Strange thing though… It didn’t turn my brain into mush! Sadly, some of your friends weren’t so lucky.
Ed, I have it on a good authority:
Quebec headed for independence, Ignatieff tells U.K. radio
Read more: http://www.canada.com/news/Quebec+headed+independence+Ignatieff+tells+radio/6505080/story.html#ixzz2IZBal0nW
@Ed
Brian Purdy is a Queen’s Counsel who spent more than 30 years working in criminal law. He is a retired general counsel with the federal Department of Justice, and lives in Calgary. This is what he has to say about Canada separating from Quebec:
7Up ruling proof it’s time to let Quebec go
Brian Purdy, Calgary Herald
Published: Friday, July 22, 2011
“I’m not the only person who thinks Canada would be a better country without Quebec…It is now 252 years after the Battle of the Plains of Abraham, and for all of those years, Canada has suffered from Quebecois discontent. It is time that we reconsidered the contract which we call the Constitution, and separate Canada from Quebec.
Canada will become a better country, with a single language and national dreams and ideals we can all live with, and Quebec will be able to forge its own destiny in any way it sees fit. The transition problems will have to be the subject of another column, but they are by no means insuperable. And there won’t be any more $12,000 soda pop awards.”
http://www2.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html?id=39d6beda-c445-49fc-b06e-982bd7e711e2&p=2
Ed
January 20, 2013 at 3:16 pm
@ Tim. Apart from a few rednecks in rural Alberta and BC, and maybe you, who exactly wants wants to boot Quebec out of Canada? Got any numbers?
There he goes again insulting others -Jamie where is his short leash .This ones sputters insults and attempts top antagonize people for PLEASURE HE ADMITTED THAT.
You must remember most people here ED?FURTZ have been discriminated against ,so you take pleasyre in antagonizing people who have been discriminated against ?yet you call them rednecks?
Wow you must have a small member or low self esteem because your behavior and your approach to others only validates this.
Ed
January 20, 2013 at 3:16 pm
@ Tim. Apart from a few rednecks in rural Alberta and BC, and maybe you, who exactly wants wants to boot Quebec out of Canada? Got any numbers?
There he goes again insulting others -Jamie where is his short leash .This ones sputters insults and attempts top antagonize people for PLEASURE HE ADMITTED THAT.
You must remember most people here ED?FURTZ have been discriminated against ,so you take pleasure in antagonizing people who have been discriminated against ?yet you call them rednecks?
Wow you must have a small member or low self esteem because your behavior and your approach to others only validates this.
@ ed
If nothing you are consistent. Faced with facts you duck, or mock or evade,
but NEVER EVER DEAL HEAD ON WITH WHAT OTHERS PRESENT YOU WITH : FACTS
@ admin
I hope you are not going the route ed, and ducking questions posed to you
Tim
January 20, 2013 at 4:20 pm
West would rather separate themselves than continue the charade of keeping extortionist Quebec in Canada. I’d rather keep the West and kick Quebec out.
Well lets put it this way if you had roommates one is self sufficient ,yet the other sponges off all the others ,now you need to remove a roommate which one would you choose?
Ed
January 20, 2013 at 5:06 pm
“I agree that there are some rural pockets in Alberta where semi-literate bozos who have never been east of Saskatchewan want to boot Quebec out of Canada. They want to boot Ontario out too. These same knuckle-draggers hate BCers almost as much.”
Opp’s was that you insulting others again particularly westerners
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Hey everyone,
@ Jamie, you wrote:
“Cory (and whomever) for me it’s simple. Canadians need to have an official dialog. There has to be some form of consensus as to what Canada wants from Quebec and Quebec wants from Canada.
Until you get to that point what exactly are you arguing about?
IF you achieve those goals and there is no rapprochement then it’s time to consider more drastic action. Some of this talk is like having sex without foreplay…”
Jamie you mentioned in your last post directed to me and everyone that a ‘dialogue’ needs to take place about these issues. Would you have any recommendations on how to do this? It seems that apart from call-in radio shows whereby a few hundred people from the Ottawa area have called in and complained to radio hosts about the unfair hiring policies this movement is far from generating any mass support as of yet other than people simply complaining.
I myself have written to 5 politicians to call attention to the unfair laws and they have all fallen back on supporting the current unfair legislation. In circles we all go…
You have written,
“IF you achieve those goals and there is no rapprochement then it’s time to consider more drastic action.”
Keeping in mind the peaceful approach of democracy; other than protesting, writing to our elected representatives could you elaborate and give us some ideas as to what you mean by, “more drastic action.”
Trying to pick your brain tonight for some fresh ideas.
Thanks again Jamie,
Cory
@ Kathy,
Well said and thank for substanicating what many here already know.
it is a pity that Admin and ED are in the camp of canad will never separate.
makes you wonder if they have been away from reality for a long, long time.
Peter do not put words in my mouth if you wish to post on CFN.
Morning Cory.
I think there needs to be Town Hall type meetings organized across Canada (including Quebec) with the goal of having a National Referendum on the subject.
Btw, I will not and cannot answer each and every question posted to me. 14-18 hour days preclude me from being that active comment wise.
And frankly I don’t like to play as some of the posters on here do. Anytime one of you has the cojones to try a real debate, we can talk.
That would mean in public and disclosing who you are. 🙂
I would love to have a canadian referendum on wheather quebec
separates or not, in a heartbeat.
the problem, is that regardless of what canadian political party is in power, that the french MP`S from quebec would do all in their power to stop it.
Right now, the know they have it both ways.
Why would they upset that applecart
gatineau and the surrounding area has the feds as their major employer.
quebec gets tons and tons of money from the canadian taxpayer in the form of transfers and grants.
franco ontarian groups get the same via the provinical government.
So. why rock the boat.
the only advantage to Canada, would be that Canadians, would then be free to spend those transfer payments on what is truly important ot them, such as, health, edcation, and welfare of Canadians.
We then would be able to eeliminate the overgemerous amounts we have paid to the welfare state of quebec for generations now.
Bring it on and I`ll be there with bells on,and if we loose the first referendum , then we will keep having them till we vote quebec out.
just following the precedent that quebec has established in their referendums
Wow I thought Mike put a letter in about how Cornwall was run and yet again we run amok on French language issues.
Yes they are part of what is wrong with Cornwall but only a small part of the problem.
I think this whole series of replies shows exactly what is wrong in Cornwall. People are easily duped and or led astray which allows people like our council and various members of boards, hospital board, Cornwall housing board, all slip things by us.
It’s kind of scary actually
@ Cory
Lets be brutally honest here. It is next to impossible to move politicans , unless they wanted to be moved.
I have witnessed from all across canada this issue being kicked around for 50 years.
Anytime, any high profile figure, brings up bilingualism, politicans run for cover ( similar to the 5 lettters you wrote cory)
They wouldn`t touch this with a ten foot pole
Why, because they are INTIMIDATED BY quebec and quebec politicans. Afraid there might be a backlash from the french.
Big, deal, they already crap on the English anyway, and probably have no respect for us, because we give in to everything they demand.
Sorta of like a teacher who tries to give in students so they will be good. Ever have a teacher like that
Did you respect that teacher, or the one that MADE you work and be, heaven`s forbid, responsible.
Tough is not bad.
To that ( intimidation) I say garbage. To be intimidated to the point where basic rights and freedoms are sacrificed for quebec `s needs and wants AT ALL COSTS, is morally reprehensible and cowardly
they ( politicans) are GUTLESS.
So where to go Cory. The people, by actions.
At every public form , HAMMER HOME THE MESSAGE THAT THIS ISSUE OF BILINGULALISM WILL NOT GO AWAY.
At every chance, every function, every barbaque and the like, hit them as hard as you can, and don`t be gentle.
Local grass roots organizations mass protests, and pressure on the media to cover these events are necessary big time.
I would also take a leaf from the P.Q.`S playbook.
they seem to be very well organized, so we follow thier lead. No need to re-invent the wheel here.
Be prepared to be lambasted by the french and the media and the likes of the ed`s of the world.
however, STAND FIRM AND NEVER,EVER GIVE IN TO THE PEOPLE WHO PROMOTE AND SUPPORT INJUSTICES.
GET A real and courageous leader. A MIKE hARRIS TPYE ,WHO WON`T RUN AND HIDE AT THE FIRST SIGHT OF TROUBLE
CLF is a vety good starting point and this will grow, there are many, many supporters out there.
Mr. Galganov, is also prominent, not among the ed`s of the world, but then again ed, and co. never ever,back up anything they,
They criticize everything and mock people for trying to actually get something done, and reverse these injustices.
The ed`s of the world are non -starters, just look at their support, on sites such as these.
More to the point ,look who they allied with: pierre and stella:
enough said.
Good Luck Cory
@spera RE: January 21, 2013 at 8:40 am POST to Cory.
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Spara wrote, “At every chance, every function, every barbaque and the like, hit them as hard as you can, and don`t be gentle.”
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This is a good point spara and often times you may not realize it but those around, who you may think are not paying attention, REALLY ARE. And when they see someone else standing up they notice. They then bring that experience with them and they themselves MAY turn out to be role models for others around them.
Similar to this inspiring story here…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wDVqY-APCM
When people see someone else doing something they often take from that experience. The old, bring it forward concept.
Short story of my own. Riding the bus one day (car was in the shop for oil change and tire rotation). I noticed the new Presto pass thingy and began a conversation with the driver. He seemed nice and spoke PERFECT English. I looked down and noticed a huge French portion of the sticker announcing the Presto. Being that I am usually ready to speak my mind on this issue (and not in a mean way, just a more informative type of thing). I said, “isn’t it interesting how we here in Ottawa, Ontario(not to mention most of the ROC) seem to bend over backwards to accommodate the French in every way possible yet you go to Quebec and practically NOTHING there has one single ounce of English. Barely anything has an English version on it. Even though the idea is that there COULD be English as long as it’s smaller print (according to bill 101) they still don’t bother putting ANY ENGLISH AT ALL. If anything the back of pamphlets and so on are simply left blank rather than be kind/nice and print English on the opposite side within the possibility that some English people might appreciate such a thing they would rather be a-holes and leave it blank. Heaven forbid if the English language should appear ANYWHERE in that province.
Example of back left blank (oddly enough this pamphlet is talking about “choices”
FRONT: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XjmQK9BMBaQ/UHhaEsX9_QI/AAAAAAAAALQ/XRStE7icekw/s1048/Phone+bill+insert+-+Front.jpg
BACK: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LFt4tHRatEo/UHhZ1hRaF4I/AAAAAAAAAK4/pI2l0edNxNg/s1048/Phone+bill+insert+-+Back.jpg
You notice i didn’t say anything bad, or against the French. I was simply pointing out the inequity that seems to exist.
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Well guess what? The bus driver turned out to be from Quebec (I shouldn’t have been surprised because after all, most good well paying jobs in Ontario – especially those dealing with the public in any way shape or form – are filled with people from Quebec) and while sitting in his comfy seat at his comfy job as a well paid bus driver job in Ottawa, Ontario Canada this Quebecker began to blast me in his oh so perfect English about how the French this and the French that.
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I noticed there were some people at the front of the bus just waiting to see my reaction I calmly replied, “well, for a people who began their push back against the English in this country within the idea built around a plea that “WE” ALL SHOULD BE more inclusive and more accommodating to the French I find it rather interesting to note how — un-inclusive AND un-accommodating — the French are towards our fellow Anglophone Canadians citizens who still live in that province .
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He gave me a dirtiest look as I was getting off at my stop. As I was stepping down to get off he said, “You’re an asshole.” To which I gave him my best one finger salute and just as the door was closing I replied, “yeah, so are you.”
@ edudyorlik
Good for you. Another story.
i was playing golf, the day after the quebec election. I was paired with a francophone, who I knew vaguely.
He mentioned that I must be happy that marois won only a minority.
I said no, I wasn’t happy. He said, oh you mean that Chearest lost.
I said no, because marois didn’t win a majority.
He was stunned, and said why would I want marois to win a majority ?.
I said because with a majority, she had a better chance of taking quebec out of Canada.
He said, what do you mean, are you a separatist ?
I said not a quebec one.
I went on to inform him that as a Canadian , quebec is an embarrassment to me. That any province , in which its people carry a Canadian passport and have laws like bill 101 on the books, is not only anti- democratic and anti-English, but damm insulting to anyone who values the principles of free choice.
I also told him that it is also a slap in the face to all who and died in our wars.
He decided to go his way and play ‘SEPARATELY’
I hooked up with another group, that was more in keeping with Canadian golf.
peter wrote: Speaking English in quebec is more than atrocity, it borders on being illegal, not to mention, if you have a sick child, you better speak french or they decide to let the child die
peter I have unilingual friends that live in Montreal, with good paying jobs and have no problems whatsoever because they are english…..ca-vas?
peter also wrote: if you have a sick child, you better speak french or they decide to let the child die
For God sakes…..how ridiculous and exagerated can these posts get…LOL
So…..I am sitting here reading the blogs of the last few days and it’s amazing the contradictions between the few freddom fighters. One will say, yes the majority is backing us up, people are coming out the woodwork supporting our cause. Further down another english freedom fighter is asking and debating on what to do and how to go about getting support…..LOL
One would have to wonder why…..if the majority of this country is behind you guys, why all the campaigning and propoganda on this site? Seems to me if the entire country is behind you, you wouldn’t need to spend so much time here…..**smile**
One year ago Mike Bedard and other posters gave some very good ideas and solutions to your problems as did Jamie today. Nope…not good enough. Know what? Like many posted here before….you lack credibility and are not taking seriously because of the way you handle yourself……and that is a fact.
Change your attitude, have a credible and professional person present your claims and stop the hatred towards Quebec and it’s people. Vendetta’s never accomplish much…..especially when they are so obvious. In other words…..GROW UP!!!
@ edudyorlik. You forgot the part where the bus driver spat in your face.
@ spera. You say “The ed`s of the world are non -starters”. That’s hilarious! If the majority of Canadians wanted to break up the country, politicians would be all over it like dogs on bones. You guys might be loud proud and strident, but your numbers are obviously miniscule.
stellabystarlight
January 21, 2013 at 2:13 pm
“Change your attitude, have a credible and professional person present your claims and stop the hatred towards Quebec and it’s people.”
Stop the hatred and propaganda directed at the English people Stella.
Ed
January 21, 2013 at 3:12 pm
“@ edudyorlik. You forgot the part where the bus driver spat in your face.”
The difference is that ED/FURTZ your story was fabricated(an out right lie) one of many deceptions -his story was not.
No Ed, the bus driver was NOT YOU. but come to think of it. That does sound like the type of thing the French do to those they disagree with. Nothing like being fine upstanding citizens that demand everyone else be ACCOMMODATING to them while they do everything but to everyone else. What a crew…
You are correct Edudyorlik. Last time I drove a bus was in Winnipeg about forty years ago.
Do you guys recall the Quebec flag-stomping demo at the Brockville train station back around 1990? It put Brockville on the map for a while, and really inflamed the separatist cause in Quebec at the time. Maybe you should consider a Cross-Canada flag-stomping tour this summer. It would be a really cheap and effective way to p!ss off Quebecers and get some attention for your cause. Just brain-storming for you.
Fight On!
Thanks for the ideas Jamie, spera, and anyone else I forgot.
So, for the town hall meeting, we had South Stormont. Anyone interested in Cornwall?
@ ED
If that’s all it takes to get quebec out, I’ll gladly stomp on their flag.
I notice ed/frutz, that you purposely forgot to mention the stomping of the canadian Flag has been a mainstay of separatists since 1959
As recenly as just after the P.Q.( your party ed) got in, there was a Canadian flag stomped on by your ilk at montreal city hall.
as a matter of fact, perhaps you and stella attended.
you know ed, if we really don’t have the support you claim, why are we drawing so much attention from you, stella and peirre.
if we are a group that poses no threat or is irrelevent, why does this bother you?
Just ignore us, and you can go on your way.
Maybe you can’t ignore us, because the threat is very, very, real, that bilingualism is indeed going to be challenged and removed.
it won’t happen overnight , rome wasn’t built in a day.
But like the P.Q. and the BLOC. one person at a time.
everyone tgought they would disappear, but they didn’t.
Neither will we.
@ ed/frtuz/ stella
Do you people ever, EVER,change your script lines.
Same old, same old, same old, Blah, blah ,blah
I ve always said :
THE EMPTIEST CANNONS MAKES THE LOUDEST NOISES
It would be refreshing, if once you backed up anything that even resembles a factual statement, with substanicated proof.
You are the in ‘THE RANTERS HALL OF FAME ‘ OR SHOULD I SAY SHAME.
@ Peter. You say “If that’s all it takes to get quebec out, I’ll gladly stomp on their flag.” Well, go for it Peter. Surely your well organized freedom-fighters can stage a flag-stomping tour to get your message out there. Yous guys are brilliant! Just a thought though… yous should set the flags on fire before stomping on them. Makes for better visuals on the TV news. Yous might want to have fire extinguishers on hand, but that’s a detail that can be worked out later.
peter wrote….It would be refreshing, if once you backed up anything that even resembles a factual statement, with substanicated proof.
Common sense doesn’t need back up or proof to any claims….it speaks for itself….
Nor do personal opinions need backing up or proof….got that?
So please….quit repeating the same thing over and over again…..**smile**
OPINIONS NEED NO BACKING UP OR PROOF……GOT THAT?
stellabystarlight
January 21, 2013 at 10:23 pm
“Common sense doesn’t need back up or proof to any claims….it speaks for itself….”
“Nor do personal opinions need backing up or proof….got that?”
OMG too funny LMAOFD -this coming from the poster that admits she never ,ever looks anything up or backs up her statement with proof .
So of course IALMAO ,OMG its too funny this one has not the intellect to do a little research and relies on PROPAGANDA ,you know Stella its alright cause your world(french ethnocentric Quebec) is even excepting of ENGLISH HATERS LIKE YOU ,in fact its encourage in that world. ****smile***
@ So to you stella,
well it is my opinion that white is black and black is white,
its my opinion, so it must be right.
As for common sense, if you had any, you would be agreeing with us.
AS for a fact:
Well, stella, by definition, a Fact is something that can be PROVEN TRUE
But don’t let that little tidbit of info stop you, Rant on with your opinions, and try to pass those gems of misinformation off as FACTS.
Rant on, rant on rant on .
i believe that you are a person who likes to hear her/him/self talk, and eddy / furtz, listens, and then feeds off you.
ITS CALLED THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND
@ stella
what kind of unilingual friends do you have in quebec ?
Are they unilingual french?
OR
Are they unilingual English?
stella, do you ever proof read your posts?