CFN – Cornwall City Hall did the back door shuffle and have agreed to send $50K to fund the study that the committee above have asked to have commissioned.
Little has been said about their vision; but CFN has been digging and could the reason for the secrecy simply be that Cornwall wishes to establish a French University? And if so why the secrecy? Are the politicians which chiefly make up this group concerned about a back lash from the public for spending public tax dollars on such a project.
Many don’t realize that there is a major regional push to attract disgruntled Francophones from Quebec to Cornwall and it makes some sense in that with Quebec’s economic and political woes an opportunity to attract young families is there. Couple that with a desire politically to have a French University in Ontario and you have a recipe for something that could attract people and money to Cornwall.
Lapresse recently ran a piece discussing Cornwall. LINK The article discussed a drop in Francophones from 30 to 26% and the concerns of some of the locals. Councilor Maurice Dupelle was quoted, but most of the quotes came from Georgette Sauve of the SD&G ACFO)
Translated quote:
Francophone immigration is one of the keys. We need new blood to maintain an acceptable level of French in Cornwall, “said the President.
Education, employability and apparently French Education were primary concerns.
“We must put pressure on elected officials to implement policies to facilitate the immigration of French here. Employers also have a role to play. Finally, the number of allophones who turns aside default the English school system is also a big problem that we have identified, “says the president of the ACFO-SDG, Georgette Sauvé.
It was also discussed on TFO’s 360 show. CLICK to watch VIDEO REPORT.
The question many will be asking is why all the secrecy and why not have open discussion by politicians in the community rather than writing cheques and socially engineering our region? After all it’s everyone’s tax dollars and we all live here. Surely the public should have some say in some of these decisions?
We already have the stench of having two of the committee members, Mayor Kilger and Councilor Elaine MacDonald on the committee not recusing themselves from discussion or voting on the issue which violates number 2 of their Declaration of Office.
2. I have not received and will not receive any payment or reward, or promise thereof, for the
exercise of this office in a biased, corrupt or in any other improper manner.
Clearly there is a reward when you as a member of a group ask for cash from city hall? You have achieved a goal which is of course a reward.
Again, nothing against having a French University in Cornwall, or French in general, but these processes and forcing the public to pay for freight without public consultation surely isn’t Democratic, is it? And while having a University isn’t a bad thing how many of these French Uni grads would be staying in Cornwall?
What do you think CFN viewers? You can post your comments below.
stellabystarlight
April 8, 2013 at 7:29 am
“here are many more issues to be concerned about then language on signs. It’s been going on for two years now……enough already. Do what you have to do and leave the peace loving people alone.”
Really tell that to the people that don’t have opportunities because language alone,no not enough already this is just the start.
We are here to provide data to people and let them make the choice.
The peace loving people like the separatists who’s hero’s terrorized the citizens of Quebec with the FLQ AND RIN.
“To have to resort to videos ad nauseum is a sure sign they don’t have the support they need……otherwise they would quit the nonsense and get on with it.”
wait a couple ad nauseum videos for you ecept its a form of brainwashing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHXreXuSSok&list=UUS2BxoiTqky0efBFtdSMBcw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI1NOWSAUJo&list=UUS2BxoiTqky0efBFtdSMBcw
Pierre
April 8, 2013 at 9:03 am
“Prove that being Francophone, in Québec, gives an individual more rights than being Anglophone, in Ontario, or anywhere, in the ROC.”
Anglophones/allophones which encompass 17% of the Quebec population ,yet only .002% work for their provincial government!!!!!!
Ontario Cornwall -provincial 65% bilingual
-Hospital 50%+
-CCAC near 100% bilingual
-Provincial courts 80% bilingual
and so on
Many of these jobs are filled by Quebecers as there is not enough bilingual people here to fill those positions as CORNWALL IS 70.2% uni-lingual English.
“Québec politics are not following you to Cornwall… Bilingualism, where need be, is.”
Where need be ? Is hiring 300% above the actual needs (representation by population) “WHERE NEED BE?
“Federal capital of Canada, a country founded by Francophone and Anglophone people.”
Founded by natives , Chinese ,Germans ,Irish ,Scottish ,and so on.
What you classify as Anglophones are many cultures ,is a Chinese person an anglophone ?
And both these/our People win with bilingualism, where need be…
Bilingualism for Anglos, in Québec,
Bilingualism for Francos, in Ont,
But You really don’t get it its not bilingual for just francophones in Ontario but ALL!
What of bilingual for francophones in Quebec ,you conveniently forgot to mention that !!!!
“And that, to most Canadians is fairness… But not to the ethnocentric or to the xenophobe.”
Yes that was very xenophobe of you not to mention bilingualism for french in Quebec!!!!!!!!!!!
Once again you Quoted “where need be ” does that account for the push for french with 1% in BC is that where need be means?
“I still don’t agree that some of my comments are deleted, simply because of the passion, I express them with.
I believe, that some are deleted, because, you fell, they may not be good for your bussiness.”
Racial slurs and demeaning to the posters are not posted ,but as many of your racial tendencies you have commented I AM NOT SURPRISED!
@Simon RE: POST on April 7, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Simon wrote, “The government of Canada could not be happier to see us arguing over French vs. English over nothing… nothing at all.”
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“Nothing at all” eh Simon? It might be “nothing at all” to you and to the French in this country since they stand to be the BIG winners in all of this
— which is very obvious by the fact that Canada’s Prime Minister (yes, believe it, it’s true) CAN ONLY be chosen from among — ONLY — that 17% of Canada’s population that are French.
Thus, effectively disenfranchising ALL the REST OF THE majority 84% anglophone Non French Canadian tax payers in this country from even dreaming of being leader in their own country)
But, then again… THAT is probably nothing to YOU also, or maybe you just didn’t think of that, which is fine. There is room to come to your senses and change your mind 🙂
But, let me see you tell YOU something.
There are many VERY qualified unemployed —
(because of the Frenchification of this country) nurses, technicians, police officers, postal workers and the list goes on
— people in this country who would strongly disagree with you that this is all to do about “nothing at all” Simon.
As a matter of fact i would like you to also explain the concept that this is “about nothing” to my wife as well. A wonderful woman who is well trained and very good in her profession but because she from down east —
(a part of this wonderful country BTW where people are fair and treat each other with respect — unlike the province of Quebec that treats the English Canadian citizens — who’s only misfortune is that they live there — as second class citizens — which btw is another group of people who would strongly argue with you that this is about “nothing at all”
— she was never exposed to French and therefore CANNOT advance at her workplace. And, heaven forbid if she looses that job will not be able to find something in at the same level and pay scale. Why not you might ask? Well, it’s because of … You guessed it. “all that nothing” that we are arguing over.
Funny how when the French were beginning this foray into the Frenchification of Canada back in the day, i don’t remember anyone saying they were arguing “about nothing.” Even the Anglos back then understood, appreciated and accepted that there “WAS SOMETHING.”
As a matter of fact, the Anglos were the ones who openly agreed that it was fair to go ahead and put in place the legal wording that would provide services to our French compatriots in their language within the Federal government.
imagine that, the English went along with that (and also, the labeling of — EVERYTHING in Canada — with both French and English even though there was ONLY about maybe 4% French in the entire country with some places have ZERO French but lots of French labeling though 🙂
What did the French do with that fairness and generosity?
They took advantage of it… YUP
As far as all “the nothing” goes the English are now in a fight to simply stop this incessant crawl towards — EVERYTHING — being French, as the French couldn’t be happy with just a bit, they are pushing for the WHOLE BALL OF WAX.
And, like my now deceased pure French Canadian mother used to tell me, “when dealing with the French. If you give them an inch, they will take a mile.” She knew them oh so well.
Oh, such words of wisdom mom. Love ya, and thanks for the warning.
But hey, look at the bright side Simon, you got Stella-not-so-bright to agree with you. That’s worth SOMETHING, right?
Naw, on second thought
THAT REALLY is the only thing IN ALL OF THIS
that truly is worth … “nothing at all…”
But, that’s OK though, i still wish you a nice day eh 🙂
PS: One more thing. Don’t even bother trying to say, all these people HAVE TO DO” is learn French.
Why? Because in a country where the — common language — is English (and yes, battles were indeed fought over who had the final decision over this) — NO ONE — should — HAVE TO — learn French. PERIOD… Just because the English were nice and let things BE doesn’t mean we are now a completely bilingual country. NOT !!! NO WAY PAL …
Pierre, please write a letter to the editor, and here, use your own words as the first few lines. They really deserve a letter upon themselves in all sincerity.
“Prove that being Francophone, in Québec, gives an individual more rights than being Anglophone, in Ontario, or anywhere, in the ROC.”
@ Jules
Hi! You are so right on so many points.
It’s hard for me to disagree.
But, I would like to say that the Québécois and our government (Pauline Marois) understand that it is necessary for Québécois to speak 2 or 3 languages, including English.
I also have trouble accepting, that your friend’s incapacity to learn French, to access certain gov. jobs, was the cause of her heart problems.
I’m not saying that, that is impossible but how can you be sure when, so many people have such problems now-a-days.
I agree with you that the quality of public service French is sometimes laughable, but it needs to be improved, not set aside.
I think that you are generalizing a bit too much, blaming the Indians chiefs, only, for the poverty, in many tribes. I think that the “white man’s” successive governments have a lot to do with those problems, going back to the start of colonization.
I don’t know why you would call the Cornwall Freeholder, toilet paper, but I will look into that.
I also do not know, why you like Jamie, so much…
Gotta be, the hat.
I’ve read most of your posts Jules. You’ve been busy.
What I’ve written above is all I could critisize or ad to…
Very, very good!
@ Eric
Why ask me to write a letter to the editor using my own words for the first few lines…
I can’t prove that being Francophone, in Québec gives an individual more rights than being an Anglophone in Ontario or anywhere in the ROC does…
The reason I can’t prove it is that, it does not.
And, notice that I’m not the one who suggested that it does.
Admin did.
So, you should ask him to write a “Letter to the Editor” to prove his allegation that being Francophone, in Québec, gives an individual more rights, which is the reason, he gives for leaving Montréal.
Bonjour Pierre. C’est une très belle journée aujourd’hui et nous sommes sorti pour une bonne marche. Comment va mon français.
Pierre there are many things where I am right about and some where I am mistaken.
Mme Marois is not a bad person and has the right idea except that she should enforce French, and English as very important languages for people to learn. I see immigrants here who learn other languages other than their own and are not afraid to speak.
My supervisor was the one that I was speaking about and she was so much like some of the people here who are “one way narrow minded” not wanting to learn and she was very sick with heart condition that was inherited. She died of that disease in 1987 or 88 and was only 58 years old at the time. Learning a new language and the stress of her job was too much for her to undertake. Not everyone is the same and that is why I stress so much for children to learn the language from a very young age. Waiting too long becomes too hard.
In the past when I liked to look at TV my husband and I would always watch French stations from France and I learned a lot of their words like for instance: voiture = bagnole, travail = boulo and so many others. I remember an Italian lady in Cornwall who used to go to my mother’s house didn’t know English nor French and then learned by watching French TV. Mom learned a bit of Italian by an elderly lady who couldn’t speak English nor French and mom was in her late 40’s and in her 50’s at the time. It was a lot of laughs and fun watching mom go after every object in the house and more learning everything she could. There is no reason not to learn unless one is sick. We have schools here for immigrants to learn English and they pick it up. Sometimes they do not pronounce things well but they learn as they go.
After 40 years being in Canada my husband still asks me about words in English and will ask me what does this word mean and I will explain it to him. He will mis-pronounciate the words and we all have a very good laugh but at least he is inquisitive and wants to learn. He speaks fluent English and fluent French as well as fluent Arabic of course. When my husband came over he had a book called English for Arabs and I threw the book away and told him that there is only one way to learn and that is by listening to people speak and making an effort to speak and turn on the TV and learn by listening to the programs and he learned. The first 3 months were the hardest and gradually he picked it up and has done exceptionally well.
The old saying is “if you want to learn you can” and nothing stops you. Mom was up in years and she did very well in her broken Italian. Mom was French Canadian and when you have French the other Latin languages are easier to pick up.
I do not look at the SF toilet paper and that is exactly what it is. I haven’t looked at that paper in at least a year or a year and a half not long after I saw the news about Willie Wise with whom I knew from one of the high schools that I attended. That was a shock to me and never knew that he would do such a thing.
I like Jamie very much and that is because he is fair and I do mean fair and writes good stories and has a good sense of humor and funny at times. I don’t look for the hat or anything just his humorous character at times. Jamie isn’t afraid to venture out with the public and has a very good personality. I see those traits in Jamie and hope that he stays in Cornwall and continues his great work. Those of that toilet paper of record SF are jealous of Jamie.
The problem with Cornwall is that they don’t want others to know what is going on and Jamie exposes them when he finds things out. Cornwall is small unlike Montréal and Ottawa, etc. The people of Cornwall are a much nicer kind of people than the big cities and every day my husband and my daughter bug me about going back there. I have no peace without them wanting to go back. Life is a great deal less stressful and easier to get around.
My husband and I drove by the Civic Hospital today on the Parkdale area and Carling and right away I thought about Chris Cameron and his shift there. Chris if you are reading my blog I thought about you in there working very hard. Take care Chris very few people can do your job and travel all that distance as well.
I am being left alone my daughter went out for a walk and my son is taking his car. It is such a beautiful day.
Kilroy,
An entire entry devoted to just me… I blush.
I don’t believe I am French and I don’t believe the prime minister of Canada is French… so you’re not off to a good start with those suggestions.
You mention a down-easter with no exposure to French? How could this be? New Brunswick is bilingual English/French, and if as you say the rest of Canada is “Frenchified”… well there’s either a lack of logic or some bad expressive writing skills at play.
And who after doing a little homework would not know the cultural weight of French in this part of Ontario, and consider that when taking up residence.
And of course French is quite learnable… even little kids all over my neighbourhood are fluently, yes fluently bilingual. A particular language isn’t conferred by nature, it is a product of nurture, or I suppose determination if it’s a second language.
You probably don’t realize that a sizable chunk of what you call English, is French that was brought to England by the Normans. Did they cry? Well maybe a bit… but they just absorbed it and moved on… to Canada amongst other places.
But of course the larger problem, is that the mess being made of our mixed culture, comes from our prejudice and fears, …the weapons that are wielded by self-serving politicians and their hand-picked bureaucrats.
That is where the problem lies, and that is where to attack.
Get rid of the worthless rogues and crooks who would divide and destroy the elements that make our nation great just for the sake of their own egos and a seat on Parliament Hill, or Queen’s Park, or some hick township.
Convince people of your cause, lead them to the polls.
Don’t make enemies, make friends… they’ll fight your enemies for you.
Jules
Have a look at what happened to this Egyptian man in the “province” of Quebec. And Jules (– AND EVERYONE — ) please remember that the “province” of Quebec is NOT a country on it’s own. It is a “province which resides INSIDE the country of Canada. Not matter how the French or the Quebecer’s feel about this subject, THE FACT IS Quebec is just a province in side a country.
A country with an 84% Anglophone majority tax paying population. A country that was formed and enshrined with a constitution called the BNA (British North American Act) after many battles and so on which were fought in order to determine which peoples were to have providence over this country. And, battles that were fought in order to determine who will decide on the type of rule of law and the way of life in this country. the French MAY NOT LIKE to remember this part but yes, THEY WERE DEFEATED.
That’s right, all of this DID already HAPPEN and France signed agreements which ceded — ALL — control and — ALL — power to the British.
It would be as if you bought a house and then after living there for a year you invite the the person who sold it to you over to house sit for you while you were on vacation then once you returned you find that this person has decided to move back in, throw out your stuff, changed the locks on the doors and take back the house from you.
Now, It would be different if this person was in need of a place to stay and was willing to live peacefully and within a certain set of justifiable rules. I can see many saying sure, you can have one of the rooms.
By all means, please do keep your language and your culture as something for you and your family BUT, we are of a different language and culture and you need to respect that too. And since you are in our home the MAIN language and culture is the one belonging to that of the persons who invited you in.
That does mean to say that either party could make an effort ((((IF THEY CHOOSE)))) to learn the other persons language and check out the other persons culture but, THIS MUST NOT BE something that is forced. (just an analogy).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdwZOewd-hg&hd=1
Once you have viewed this video, the question is…
Is it justifiably sane for the Anglophones in this country to to continue “trying” to be fair with a people who are treating the English people, the English language, the English culture and the Canadian flag as if it were garbage and unnecessary right in your own face like this?
Is it fair to allow Quebec to have nothing to do with English people, language, and culture while at the very same moment allowing the French to also make VERY heavy demands on the ROC to accommodate their language and culture OUTSIDE of the province of Quebec?
I am a pretty fair person. I am especially fair with those whom i deem are being fair with me but, i am sorry.
Something in all of this has that awful stench of, one group taking advantage of the other. And, i know why they are taking advantage but, that doesn’t mean it’s right, or that i like it or that the Anglophones in this country should continue to put up with it.
NOTE: To those who would say, “oh, it’s but just a few that are like this.” I am sorry but i don’t buy that old story anymore.
The fact is (this MUST GET defined in REAL terms right quick) because that “few” which people refer to are generally speaking, the rulers in Quebec and those on the front lines who are running the show so, it may just as well be the majority. And, from my understanding there are many “arm chair” supports who cheer quite loudly whenever the “French cause” gets upheld in any meaningful way as the French are very proud people.
However competent the person may be, if a worker has to help out a sizable french population, isn’t it just logic that he or she speaks french. Now i’m not saying that everyone should be bilingual, although I wouldn’t object to it (personal view). Does the LFA expect every minority to live fully just in english ? Don’t the francophones deserve service by their own government in their own language ? With hiring, you can’t go by numbers. You have to go by the best qualified person. And if two people come up with equal qualifications but one of them is bilingual, well then logic says you hire the bilingual person.
My friend howard will have you go by just numbers. He said but what about the other 200 cultures, don’t they deserve help ? Well they do, plenty of other cultures are are promoted and prosper inside canada. Multicultural and multilingual, that is the Canada today and of tomorrow.
Bishop, Concordia, mcgill, three Québec anglo universities. Now i’m still thinking does ontario have a french university ? I’m looking it up. Can’t find it. HAving attended Ottawa u, I know most of the businesses and departments inside Ottawa U offer bilingual services and that is good, but, there are exceptions. Le pub, le magasin de linge, le départment des sports et j’en passe, not all are bilingual there. That is the reason why we should at least start thinking about having a french university.
OH, still haven’t found an ontario university, yet.
This has all become eerily reminiscent of…
“the anglos are waking up… There’s going to be f-ing payback.”
— Man wearing bathrobe and balaclava – 04 SEP 2012 —
@Simon RE: April 8, 2013 at 2:47 pm POST.
It’s too bad people have to suffer while you and others treat this situation with such a blasé attitude.
But alas, I am wrong which means YOU MUST BE RIGHT.
For the record, French may very well be “quite learnable” (for some) and as someone who knows it already i would urge everyone and anyone to go out and learn it (or any other languages for that matter) however, i HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM with the fact that Canadian citizens here are being forced by their own government to do so in the face of not being able to find gainful employment in a land that is majority Anglophone if they don’t.
I leave you now with the victory.
Touchet.
Edudyorlik I just watched the video and in Egypt their first language is Arabic of the Egyptian dialect. The second language that they normally speak is English and then they speak other languages like French, Italian, Spanish, Greek, etc. The Europeans work in Egypt on the oil pipelines, etc.
This man can be forgiven in a way because Egypt does not tell its citizens much about what is going on in other countries – it is socialist and people have to escape that country to go elsewhere – that is what it was like in past years and I am not up to par on what it is like just now. If you are a Palestinian or some other refugee or European then you do not hold Egyptian citizenship even if you are born there. People like this man most likely escaped and didn’t know about the language that Québec is imposing on immigrants coming into their province. This is a deal even made with the federal government. All immigrants going to live in Québec must know French and that is their law.
There are many problems here in Canada just like in the US where the states in the US want to govern themselves and get away from the federal laws. Well this is where the FEMA camps and everything else will be coming up. I am afraid that in our Canada this can happen as well and the government is getting prepared for all of this – people will be in internment camps like what happened to the Japanese and others in WWII if they do not conform with the government and its rules.
We are all Canadians no matter what language we speak, what religion we worship and so on. I am speaking more about our English and French Canadians born here in Canada and that isn’t counting this man who comes from a foreign country. Canada was built on two main languages of English and French but I can tell you all that we are not English and we are not French because those are of European people we are not Europeans we are Canadians. There is a very big difference in the culture of England to Canada’s English and a very big difference to Canada’s French compared to France. People’s mentality and way of life is entirely different. We are Canadians and yes we are under British rule and I said that before. We are not really sovereign the queen is head of state.
Québec has been granted a special status and wants to keep French as their language and culture because they are a small minority and they are surrounded by Anglophones and not just in Canada but the US as well. That is why they are so persistent in wanting French to be spoken and not English or any other language.
We know of people who lived in Québec and who left there some years ago and told us that it was the politics that they hated and not so much the language. When we visited Québec we were always respectful towards the people and we always spoke French and never English. If people do not want to live in a French culture and cannot speak the language then they will have to leave.
New Brunswick has no problem about being bilingual and the original settlers went though hell on earth of being murdered by the English and they fled for their lives to the US and to France. Is this a way you treat a people is to go and murder them. Canada is supposed to be a civilized country and sometimes I wonder about that. Both the French and the English argue and fight with one another like a bunch of wolves. I had a grandmother born in Québec and raised there and then lived in Ontario and could not speak hardly a word of English and lived here until she died. My mother was born in Québec and when she went to school in Ontario she was hurt really bad by the English people. I do say that this is a terrible problem that we have in Canada. You would think that people would learn to respect one another as people but they don’t.
I am for bilingualism in all provinces and I do respect Québec for wanting to keep their language and culture. Like I said it is the only French culture in N. America. New Orleans, Louisianna is the other French culture down in the US but it is very small in comparison to Québec.
I hear extremist language on both sides of English and French and neither can get along well with one another. Like Trudeau said about the book that I have to read yet “Two Solitudes” and how true that is.
I am of mixed culture and married to a Lebanese Christian Maronite and our worlds are as different as the sky and the earth and we get along and after 39 years together that is a miracle for today. With cultures as different as my husband and myself you would think that the Canadian people would get along being that they are the same racial makeup and live in the same country but they tear each other apart at every chance they get. You might as well as live in those Islamic countries where they are killing the Christian people on a daily basis. Is this right? Is this humane? People are going to have to change and come together and find solutions before things get out of hand and you wind up with a civil war or something really bad to happen.
Edydyorlik do you know that here in Ottawa in the suburb of Kanata there is a private school where parents pay humoungous money to send their kids to learn French and Kanata is an English subdivision. There are a lot of French schools in the west of Ottawa and you would be very surprised. That is how important the French language is here in Ottawa and all of Canada or just about. We have lots of French schools from Kindergarden to High School and some are private and some are public and some are separate but there is a huge demand to learn French.
When I worked in the federal government I worked on both sides of the river and I met and worked with Anglophones who lived in Québec and loved those people very much and in fact I miss them all. I worked with francophones as well and miss them too. I have never experienced hatred towards one another whatsoever except in one case and do you know what case that was it was from a woman who was from a small town east of Ottawa by 45 minutes by car who was very French Canadian from Ontario who hated anybody non French and who made terrible tension in the unit. She was a superb worker but her attitude was hell on earth. This is what I see of the people of Cornwall and the people of Québec (I am talking about the extremists in Québec) not the good people. I am also talking about the extremists in Cornwall and other parts of Ontario and the rest of Canada. I can tell you first hand that I am fluent in French and this woman caused so much tension in the unit that you could go in and cut it with a knife. Even our officers who did not know what was going on in that unit came in and felt so mighty uncomfortable just being there bringing in work and working there all those years was difficult.
Stop hurting one another and find common ground. You are all Canadians – you are not from England, nor Scotland, nor Ireland nor France. You are Canadians. Believe me the mentality of Europe is a great deal different than we Canadians. Many of you would never tolerate the ways of the Europeans. I know I worked with some and one in particular was a director and I went in that job through an agency and when I found out about this director I got on the phone with the lady at the agency and told her that I could not handle him and he was from Scotland and nobody wanted him – he kept getting transferred from one department after another. He would literally make a scene and would remind me of my husband at times and I couldn’t handle such craziness. I told the lady at the agency that I had enough of that at home to deal with.
Come together as a people you are all Canadians so stop the bickering. What I go through not one of you would ever want to go through such stuff. You are living in the best country in the world and don’t even know it nor appreciate it. People are going through hell around the world and you all bicker about language. This is terrible.
Richard tremblay, have you been to Ottawa U recently? Signage is French first and much work has been put into programs to supply French students at Montfort and bilingual students at the General hospital not sure where the English only students are going. In 2012 Ottawa U listed 69.1% (29,035)of students were English and 30.9% ( 12,922) as French.
They are also part of the Francophone monument group that are adding monuments all over. Cornwall and the Montfort are already finished.
Nearly 99% of Ontario workplaces report English as the language of work, why should we have a French only university? The government’s do not not need help in A spending money, and B, creating a wedge over language.
Jules, it is not the English folks driving a wedge between people, a few French that are promoting and demanding beyond what is actually needed and government policies are the culprits.
Jules, I don’t know how you can say “New Brunswick has no problem about being bilingual”. They have have the same push back going on.
secret meetings http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2012/09/20/nb-secret-language-hearings-734.html
Language war brewing -http://www.themetropolitain.ca/articles/view/867
Jules, you have listed so many things. Kanata South has 42,790 people.30,150 English only, 165 French only, 11,970 bilingual and 510 who speak neither. This all means 98.34% can speak English.
Ontario has 12 French school boards which have 225 French schools, plus of course the immersion programs in English public boards. I can see how you think people think French is important, I think though, English people are just not fighting it and want the kids to be able to find jobs.
That in no way is disrespect, English do not look at language the same way as French do.
@ Eric
After all that has been written on the subject, you still don’t get it…
Bilingualism does not nullify the rights of official language minorities.
@ Admin
A conditional apology.
I did accuse you of unjustly deleting some of my posts because, I felt that you did it because, you did not like the message.
When I posted my answer to highlander’s very misleading post, Apr 8, 9:03 am, I saw that, again, my message had been deleted.
So, I checked very closely, to try to understand why.
It is then that, I realised that I had posted it on an older comment’s page so, I thought that my message had been deleted automatically and that you were not, the culprit.
So, I wanted to apologize.
But, because facts are important in our discussions, I decided to rewrite my post, all-be-it, in a shorter version.
Again my post was deleted.
So, I don’t know what’s going on, here.
I want remind you, that it takes research, time and effort, for me, to find this info.
So, if you have to delete something, can’t you, at least, be respectful and just delete or moderate the part, of it that, you find offensive and, allow the very important facts to go through?
@highlander
Please research the info that you post so that I don’t have to, again.
Not onLy .002% of the Québec government is anglophone.
That is a ridiculous affirmation as you would see, right away, if you could count…
2 anglos for every 100,000 francophone…
I don’t remember the exact figure, and I’m not going to research it again, at this point, but it was around 450 anglos, in 2010…
That would mean that there are 12,500,000 Francophones working for the Québec government…
Both the Québec federal government and the Québec provincial governments deplore the fact that there is a shortage of Anglos working for their respective governments, in Québec, but the reason is that very few Anglos apply to work for the governments, in Québec.
Check it out!
I had a look at Stats Canada and found that 531 people in the city of Cornwall claim French only. So we somehow have to build French Only Clinics for this tiny number. 531 out of 46,000. This shows that bilingual is not good enough for the Francophone groups.
Jules, You seem like a nice person but it seems your posts are very disjointed and often stray from the REAL issues.
I obviously DO NOT have the time nor the inclination that you seem to have to ramble on about things outside of this issue so i will say just a few things and leave it at that..
It seems that you were reminded of your husband when you wrote,
Jules wrote, “He would literally make a scene and would remind me of my husband at times and I couldn’t handle such craziness.”
Jules, I truly hope your husband stops doing this “making a scene” It is clearly something that makes you very uncomfortable and nervous.”
Now, that Egyptian “man in the video” Mohamed. He has NOTHING to apologize for. He is NOT the one who must be forgiven my dear.
He came to this “country” CANADA which is a country that is over 80% English speaking. Yes, it may well have two, so called “official language” but Jules,
THIS COUNTRY IS NOT officially bilingual.
There is only one province (New Brunswick) that holds that title and that is despite the fact that that province is also 70% Anglo and 30% French (give or take).
This French / bilingual concept is being pushed upon all of Canada by the French but meanwhile the French want nothing to do with either the English people, the English language, or the English culture.
To them English is le merde and so, this whole thing is NOT a debate in a sense. It’s a gathering of like minded people in order to try to figure out a way that the French can have what they want (Quebec and French ONLY) while the Anglophone majority in (the ROC) this country DO NOT have to pay enormous sums of money trying to make everyone French when it is simply NOT NEEDED OR WANTED in the ROC.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND this is something that is unwanted and is being forced on us.
So, we need to find a way so that everyone can be happy.
This concept of a bilingual Canada only serves the purpose of one small group of maybe 17% (actually if you take the entire population of ALL of Canada then French makes up only about 4%) of the entire country. It is costly and TOTALLY unnecessary.
Also, as i said, Mohamed came to this country CANADA which is 80% Anglophone country and thus he should expect that since English is the common language of this country he could be served in English. Sorta of like when people go to Russia and expect that Russian is going to be the main language there. This dream that Canada is a French AND English country is only perpetuated as i said, by a small number of people but they are doing a good job at it., This is partly because they are using the money of the ALL Canadians to do this. What a con. Anyways, i digress…
This is not to mention the fact that Mohamed was even TRYING to conform to the insane laws in Quebec and learn French but, he hadn’t as of yet because he’d only been there for a few months.
It really wasn’t fair to him to expect that he would KNOW FRENCH right away. He was trying and i give him credit for that.
As i said, the French want nothing to do with the English language the English people or the English culture. As a matter of fact Jules, they don’t even want anything to do with the Canadian flag.
Thus, If we have one group (the English) trying to make things easier and better for the French while the other group (the French) passing laws to outlaw the English language. Doesn’t it seems like one group must wake up and realize that this is NOT A FAIR situation?
And, wouldn’t it be prudent to stop what they are doing?
I am sure it is QUITE CLEAR as to which group are the ones that should stop what they are doing.
Anyways, i wish you all the best Jules and yes, i agree with you. We should ALL live in peace.
The French in Quebec and the English in ALL the rest of Canada. Problem solved. Only one slight little detail… The French have been living off the cash from the 80% Anglos for so long now, it is not quite clear if they can actually sustain themselves without that handout. Plus they are in enormous debt. (they love to spend don’t cha know. Cheap day care and university. Well, after all, why not. It’s not money from their resources that is paying for it. No NO. they are keeping those for themselves)
But hey, let’s call it a work in progress and move on to a CANADA where our national anthem can once again be sung in ENGLISH and our taxes can actually go to things that THE MAJORITY want them to go to.
Have a happy 🙂
Richard tremblay
April 8, 2013 at 5:35 pm
“LFA expect every minority to live fully just in english ? Don’t the francophones deserve service by their own government in their own language ? With hiring, you can’t go by numbers. You have to go by the best qualified person. And if two people come up with equal qualifications but one of them is bilingual, well then logic says you hire the bilingual person.”
Richard LFA does not expect every minority to live in fully english.
Francophones do have service in their own language.
But here lye’s the issue when hiring why not go by numbers as any policy should have a measurable approach such as representation by population.
” And if two people come up with equal qualifications but one of them is bilingual, well then logic says you hire the bilingual person.”
Now if the job is “deemed bilingual “that other applicant is not even looked at so how is that you can compare those qualifications?
When there is a designation as mandatory bilingual any applicant that is not bilingual no matter the skillsets or education is not looked at therefore language is deemed more important then MERIT!
“My friend howard will have you go by just numbers. He said but what about the other 200 cultures, don’t they deserve help ? Well they do, plenty of other cultures are are promoted and prosper inside canada.”
If plenty of cultures are promoted and prosper without that 2.4 billion and not legislated why does the French language require this as most other cultures survive without this?
Pierre, can you please tell me what I don’t get, type slow, that is how I read.
My understanding of federal bilingualism and to a certain level provincial, is to allow a few people help or service in French and more people help or service in English because of sheer population numbers.
We have gone beyond that and the sensational case of Air Canada v Thibodeau magnifies how we have gone crazy. A perfectly bilingual federal government employee wanted to served a Sprite in French. Employees demanding to work in the language of their choice and managers need to be bilingual by default, is something more people are understanding.
You want to utilize the “right” to service and jobs in French, a bunch more of us want the “right” to service and jobs in English. So we would be at a standstill because of government regulations and hundreds of millions of dollars to prop up French through associations etc.
Richard tremblay
April 8, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Bishop, Concordia, mcgill, three Québec anglo universities. Now i’m still thinking does ontario have a french university ?
Ontario has many bilingual post secondary institutions or must they be FRENCH.
“That is the reason why we should at least start thinking about having a french university.”
So now your advocating for a segregated university when there are many bilingual ,Anglophones /Allophones are near 20% of Quebecs population whereas francophones represent 4% of the population.
Lassie
April 8, 2013 at 5:56 pm
This has all become eerily reminiscent of…
“the anglos are waking up… There’s going to be f-ing payback.”
– Man wearing bathrobe and balaclava – 04 SEP 2012 –
We as a group do not advocate any violence and certainly do not agree with Bains actions ,but perhaps he was seeing the writing on the wall,many are waking up to seeing the discriminatory reality.
Owen Mekitarian
April 9, 2013 at 10:34 am
Well said ,there are more then enough bilingual services so why have a french only clinic yet 550 French only people in Cornwall.
If we are to apply reasonable expectations in providing language services it should be MEASURABLE,FAIR and EQUITABLE such as representation by population .
But presently its WELL beyond those reasonable measures and alienating those well educated and experienced individuals that are uni-lingual in Cornwall that 70.2% .
Eric
April 9, 2013 at 7:56 am
secret meetings http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2012/09/20/nb-secret-language-hearings-734.html
Language war brewing -http://www.themetropolitain.ca/articles/view/867
Yes Eric a language war is brewing and growing ,when the government brings about fairness to the equation it may stop this.
Sadly the government refuses to address the inequity and resentment will only worsen ,will civil war happen well that’s up to the government.
If the government continues this same path of pushing language on the majority and promoting inequitable language laws while not addressing the oppressive language laws in Quebec I do not see a good outcome.
If we must have language laws it must be measurable and fair as in representation by population .
This is a fair approach to the issue without oppressing either culture ,Why must the government encourage and push beyond those numbers warrant this alienates the majority.
Eric April 9, 2013 at 7:45 am
Richard tremblay, have you been to Ottawa U recently?
counter 8:15 clearly demonstrates this “French favoritism” with a news story by this girl who writes for one of the schools newspapers …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abOWJkf-Vh8&hd=1
Edudyorlik not every French person in Québec feels hatred towards the English speaking people and that is the truth. The people who feel that way come from a family who instills hate in their children and then they grow up with hate. The same is true here in Ontario believe me I worked with a woman just east of Ottawa in a rural town and she was so mighty hateful that nothing could be done about her. She was an excellent worker but her personality was for the pits.
This Egyptian man like a great deal of foreigners even those who come from my husband’s country know only Montréal in Canada. When they go to Montréal then they see what is going on and have a bad taste about what is going on in the rest of the country.
My husband reads his papers from back home every day no kidding and in Egypt, Lybia, Syria, etc. Christians are being murdered and not by the good Islamic people but but the fanatic extremists and many will be leaving those countries to go and live abroad. My husband said that even the regular non fanatics are being murdered and they too are leaving or they would be killed.
We have a great deal to be thankful for to live in Canada and we should all live in peace. I blame the politicians for all the mess going on from past to present and that is for everything whether language, economics, etc.
When we would go to Montréal as soon as some of the Québecois would see an Ontario licence plate they would go literally nuts and honk and make signs with their fingers and hands. We used to go to a bakery that specialized in pita bread and it was run by a Syrian man (a Christian) and everything was fresh. We used to go to the store below as well for Lebanese foodstuffs. Now we do not go over to Québec and get everything here in Ottawa. The time we went to Québec was when we lived in Cornwall. Today if I had to I would make the Pita bread myself at home but when I need certain goods I would avoid Québec and buy it here in Ottawa if I lived in Cornwall or some other small town again.
I have nothing against the French people at all. The ones who cause the disturbance are extremists like what you would find in those other countries who are full of hate and want everyone like them or else.
It is bad enough what is going on abroad and I sure wouldn’t want to see it here in Canada. Something has to be done to stop the insanity.
Owen Mekitarian
ON April 9, 2013 at 10:34 am
Owen wrote, “I had a look at Stats Canada and found that 531 people in the city of Cornwall claim French only. So we somehow have to build French Only Clinics for this tiny number. 531 out of 46,000. This shows that bilingual is not good enough for the Francophone groups.”
It couldn’t be MORE CLEAR than this… To “them” it’;s NOT about bilingualism. They will even tell you if you ask. No, they say. We cannot mix French and English or the French will be assimilated so there you have it. They want it ALL…
@jules
April 9, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Edudyorlik not every French person in Québec feels hatred towards the English speaking people and that is the truth.
You are right jules. Absolutely right but, i challenge you to walk along side the thousands of French people in Quebec (you know, the majority) on St Jean day with your Canadian flag and sing “oh Canada.”
I have a sneaky suspicion that you will learn very quickly that there are VERY FEW of those ones you speak about that don’t feel hatred towards the English.
@ Eric & Jules
You don’t get that the Federal government is bilingual and it’s institutions are bilingual.
Ottawa is the Federal Capital and it’s only a matter of time before it’s officially bilingual or, let me put it another way, they are trying to make it as truly bilingual as conditions will permit, because it’s the respectful thing to do.
One of the reasons, it’s the respectful thing to do, is because most of the people who work in the federal public service come/live in the Federal Capital Region (NCR) and the NCR is on both sides of the river and is much more than 4% Franco/Anglo.
It’s not just about giving French service to the 4%+ Ontario Francophone.
The bilingual Francophone who made a fuss to get served his sprite by Air Canada was just exercising his right. Most Francophone would not have bothered but a right is a right and Anglos, in Québec insist on their rights being respected, more than the Francophone do.
That Franco was an extremist but what do you call the “nightmare clan”. They are worse than any Francophone extremist. they do not just insist on the rights of the Anglos, they want to take away the rights of the Francophone and, in the end, kill the French language and culture.
But the nightmare will not come true because the extremists are only a small minority… Not even a bleep on a radar screen.
There are minority language associations in Québec too…
But, the thing is, in Québec, the English minority does not need those associations because they are doing much better than any minority, in the world. Check it out!
I hope I wrote that slow enough for you to understand Eric…
But I doubt it.
It’s sad, Jules, that you blackball Québec for a few extremists that you may have incountered, in Montreal…
Especially when taking into account that you forgive the extremists, on this very site.
I should elaborate more, on this but…
It’s suppertime.
Your numbers are a little distorted howie. 500 000 people at least deserve a university. With the assimilation rapidly going in Ontario, it would’nt be asking too much By your logic, if they are all bilingual, all of 500 thousand, they should all get educated in english. WHy not make it all english, no french. One language for one country, then dissolve all ministries regarding culture and minorities and lets all make one big majority. then after that lets all, to save money and ensure that howie gets his way, do away with anything minority, like ramps, elevators, hearing impaired, crutches, old folks homes, cause that crap is not to be payed by the MAJORITY..it cost too much. Of course that shouldn’t happen. We all know representation by population in regards to minorities doesn’t apply here. Just found an interesting article that says 220 million people speak french throughout the world and that french is the fifth most spoken language. WOW. The majority of Canadians have it right, bilingualism is an asset.
http://www.francophonie.org/-Reperes-.html
Highlander wrote: Now if the job is “deemed bilingual “that other applicant is not even looked at so how is that you can compare those qualifications?
You don’t compare the qualifications. If you are not bilingual, you don’t apply because you do not meet the requirements……..simple as that.
piper again wrote: We as a group do not advocate any violence and certainly do not agree with Bains actions ,but perhaps he was seeing the writing on the wall,many are waking up to seeing the discriminatory reality.
Yep people are waking up…..they are waking up in Syria, Iran North Korea and many of those Middle East countries. When a radical activist group says “WE ARE WAKING UP” that is a threat folks.
Speaking of waking up……Bain said the same thing. Now supposing that would have been a french guy who shot an english person……insanity would have been overlooked by the english. That french guy would have become the hero for their radical agenda and featured on their you tube video…..big time.
trembly , said i am thinking
this is a contradiction in terms
This is an article that says ¨43 pour cent de la population ayant le français comme langue maternelle a toutefois déclaré parler l’anglais le plus souvent à la maison. ¨ Isn’t that in a sense grouds to worry and to think, maybe bill 101 isn’t strong enough
http://www.lapresse.ca/le-droit/actualites/actualites-regionales/201210/24/01-4586540-le-declin-du-francais-se-poursuit-constate-statistique-canada.php
highlander in his great wisdom wrote: Sadly the government refuses to address the inequity and resentment will only worsen ,will civil war happen well that’s up to the government.
Can you believe this?
jules wrote: The people who feel that way come from a family who instills hate in their children and then they grow up with hate.
Exactly jules………if only they would keep their hatred to themselves and in their own environment. It’s when they try to instill hatred among fellow Canadians, that when and how wars begin……..as well stated by the piper.
@ trembly
If you are so worried about french, live in quebec, strengthen 101, and vote oui, get out of Canada, problem, solved.
Buit don’t think for a second we will adhere to your beliefs, given we constitue an 80 % majority in Canada and a 92% majority in Ontario, regardless of what the governments says we should do, law or no law.
http://monassemblee.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/DOC-4-PSC.pdf
Oh the push for french in Ontario sponsored by heritage Canada,but does heritage Canada sponsor the same in Quebec ?
NO so in reality the government sponsors french language push across Ontario yet ….nothing in Quebec for English language …welcome folks to your unfair taxpayer money to pay for POLITICS OF LANGUAGE.
stellabystarlight
April 9, 2013 at 6:03 pm
“Exactly jules………if only they would keep their hatred to themselves and in their own environment. It’s when they try to instill hatred among fellow Canadians, that when and how wars begin……..as well stated by the piper.”
Exactly Stella but is Quebec capable of doing this,I think not ,Quebec is known thought Canada as the most racist and intolerant province!
Hey Stella did you see this the world is watching Quebec ,and you keep saying that there really is no language issue :
My suggestion Stella is you slither from underneath your rock and clear that idealistic fog and see the reality.
http://world.time.com/2013/04/08/quebecs-war-on-english-language-politics-intensify-in-canadian-province/
http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/04/08/immigration-reform-or-not-americans-should-want-congress-to-make-english-the-official-language/
A quote from an american rights group;see above article
“Officially multilingual nations, such as Belgium and Canada, suffer from a multitude of cultural conflicts, including the government’s practice of reverse discrimination against those who don’t speak all official languages. In Canada, if you don’t speak English and French, forget about getting a job with the provincial government—even if you live outside of Quebec where no one speaks French!”
Hey Stella did you notice the word DISCRIMINATION yes DISCRIMINATION it is recognized by other countries but that’s Canada’s dirty little secret and Canadian mainstream media plays along.
But I welcome the spotlight on the situation for perhaps the international media will shame our government to act in the interests of the population as a whole rather then ONE interest group.
You see Stella this is only growing and our media cannot white wash the situation with media outside the country.
Change is coming ,I and many others welcome fairness brought back to the equation .
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/snow-removal-driver-fired-after-making-nazi-gestures-1.1230914?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
More racism from Quebec,welcome to a society that views themselves as superior.
Pierre
April 9, 2013 at 5:34 pm
“The bilingual Francophone who made a fuss to get served his sprite by Air Canada was just exercising his right.”
I guess the same could be said of Chris Cameron and Cornwall Community hospital and his protest !
“That Franco was an extremist but what do you call the “nightmare clan”. They are worse than any Francophone extremist. they do not just insist on the rights of the Anglos, they want to take away the rights of the Francophone and, in the end, kill the French language and culture.”
Great propaganda Pierre ,but we want representation by population -do you honestly think that representation by population is killing the french language and culture .
Wake up we want a fair representation and our members would never agree to eliminating french -but keep posting your propaganda you have learned well from Stella.
“But the nightmare will not come true because the extremists are only a small minority… Not even a bleep on a radar screen.”
But this is only the start of YOUR nightmare ,will will haunt you …change is coming the world is watching Quebec and Canada .
Richard tremblay
April 9, 2013 at 5:40 pm
“We all know representation by population in regards to minorities doesn’t apply here. ”
In a fair democracy it should apply ,why should one culture have more rights then another ,how else would you measure a policy implementation,why doesnt it work here ?
If we are to implement bilingualism why not representation by population as 21% are French hiring in the government should be just that in a just society not 300% above that required quota!
“The majority of Canadians have it right, bilingualism is an asset.”
Wrong again there Richard you must be used to that !
But bilingualism is not an asset its mandatory ,I would agree if it was classified as an asset ,but clearly it is not!
When you hire solely on language and not merit THAT’S DISCRIMINATION.
stellabystarlight
April 9, 2013 at 5:48 pm
“You don’t compare the qualifications. If you are not bilingual, you don’t apply because you do not meet the requirements……..simple as that”
So merit is worthless if you are not bilingual -that’s what you are saying!
Why should someone be hired soley on the ability of language ?
Many well educated and skilled peoples ,but because they are not deemed bilingual their resume is not even looked at .
LANGUAGE IS DEEMED MORE IMPORTANT THEN MERIT.
Hey hateful |Stella
“Now supposing that would have been a french guy who shot an english person……insanity would have been overlooked by the english. That french guy would have become the hero for their radical agenda and featured on their you tube video…..big time.”
Why do you make it a french vs English issue this is about unfair government policies,but is it easier for you to classify this as a French against English issue by doing this it is you who divides people.
Richard tremblay
April 9, 2013 at 5:53 pm
“This is an article that says ¨43 pour cent de la population ayant le français comme langue maternelle a toutefois déclaré parler l’anglais le plus souvent à la maison. ¨ Isn’t that in a sense grouds to worry and to think, maybe bill 101 isn’t strong enough”
So oppressing other cultures is the key is it Richard ?Teach it to your children ,speak it at home don’t expect the state to force it on all other cultures!
I think English Canadians deserve to work full time in their own governments. Now why would this not be the case? Why is it that there is so much emphasis put on knowing French?
@ Richard Tremblay
Mauvaise statistique , Richard.
82.5% des Francophones parlent Français à la maison.
Le nombre de Franco Ontariens est 580,000. Il devrait augmenter à 612,000 très bientôt, avec l’immigration…
Now, ain’t that reason enough for {MODERATED}to update their nighmare portfolio. LOL!
Richard tremblay, you make it sound like assimilation is only one way…..and if “The majority of Canadians have it right, bilingualism is an asset” then why don’t we get that in more job ad’s?
500,000 is a number that is tossed around about how many Francophones there are in Ontario to push for some French goals, it also the number of English only speakers just in the city of Ottawa, but minority rules I guess.
I did check out the Quebec language groups Richard, my understanding of their need is different from yours. By the way, the federal government is not bilingual, they provide some services to both languages. Also, paragraph 4 is showing forced language training for Anglophones. http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/faq/fat-eng.asp
Did you know?
The Official Languages Act requires federal institutions to serve Canadians in the official language of their choice in designated offices where there is significant demand. The Act recognizes the right of Canadians to be served in their official language in their dealings with their government.
About one-third of federal offices and service points across Canada are designated to communicate with and provide services in either English or French to Canadians. To find out where these offices or facilities are located, please consult the on-line directory Burolis.
In designated bilingual offices and service points, it is up to the staff to actively offer services in both official languages to the public, by using a bilingual greeting and other means, such as appropriate signage.
Approximately 40% of positions in the Public Service of Canada require knowledge of both official languages. A person knowing one official language can reach executive level in most parts of Canada.
Unilingual Canadians are welcomed into the public service. Language training is available after appointment and as part of employees’ career plans.
The makeup of all institutions subject to the Act generally reflects the makeup of Canada, where about three quarters of the population is Anglophone and about one quarter is Francophone.
Hey Pierre language in Ontario -french spoken at home 284,115
here is the stats Canada report .
Where do you get your stats ?
If your going to propagate your propaganda at least provide a link that supports your statement as I have below.
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/demo61b-eng.htm
Is this the same propaganda that you stated 800 million french speaking people in the world and you once again were proven wrong with stats that indicated the number is far less at 212 million.
YOU HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG SO MANY TIMES ,YOUR CREDIBILITY IN YOUR STATEMENTS HAVE MADE IT NULL AND VOID WITH YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
Pierre ,Stella and Richard you still have not answered this question:
“Pierre,Stella,Richard -Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened???????”
@ Admin
Now, that’s the kind of moderating, that I can agree with, as long as it goes, for all.
I had asked myself if I should write “nightmare clan” or just clan because I was talking of a small bunch of ?*/* and decided, to do so, since, the title, describes them so well and, is not empeachable (charge with a crime or misdemeanor) or anything.
@ Eric
I seems like you were adressing me in your last post, more than Richard.
So don’t mind if I respond.
Know first, that I try to understand you(s) but it’s like trying to untangle a strands of barbed wire that have been bunched together and rolled over with a tractor.
Nobody, in their mind says or expects that any minority rules.
But, it may seem like it, to those who believe, that minorities should have no rights.
The latest count of Anglo Ontarians (2012) I found, is 582,690, that’s 4.8% of the Ont. population. It is expected to climb to 612,000 very shortly because of immigration…
That info comes from : Ontario, Office des Affaires Francophones.
You provide a link to the Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat
And it confirms/proves exactly what we, the good guys, have been saying and, what the “clan” (a group of individuals united by actual or perseved kinship and decent even if leanage details are unknown) is saying. That is : What we have in the Federal public service of Canada is : “Bilingualism where warranted”… And only where warrented.
Now how about you discussing that fact with the rest of your “clan” because, that is exaclly what highlander says, we do not have in the FPS but is what, he and “lfa”, are fighting for (LOL!).
You are right in one point, though. Your understanding of the needs of minorities is different than ours… We, are open-minded.
I would encourage my friend howard to re read what I wrote. I said I heard on a Québec radio station that throughout the world 800 million people can speak french, but, 220 million could write french. The radio station in Question said that even in france you find alot of ¨angliscismes¨ I never said what was true or not, BUT, in my previous post I did post a link with facts. Howard, do you read the posts or do you have an answer ready right after you read my name.
J’espère Pierre frustant de voir que parce qu’on est bilingue, on ne mérite pas de droits. Statistics differ but your right pierre, with protectionist laws the french language can prosper.
Pierre, Richard or Stella is this reasonable? When a person is hired because they speak both English and French and their first language is French, should the tax payer pay for this French person to travel to Ottawa to be tested in French at the cost of $250.00. What do you think of this? Honestly. I don’t understand the reasoning, maybe you could enlighten me.
“Does not the indigenous languages deserve the same or more protection and funding as of the French language as they are more threatened???????”
I would add though that all current monies directed towards bilingualism should in fact be re-directed towards the disappearing indigenous languages. English and French languages do not need to be ‘protected’ as their are millions who speak them in Canada, alone.
Good point though, Highlander. I will be sending another LTE I’ve written, to Cornwall Free News regarding this very issue in the not-so-distant future. Isn’t it ironic how ethnocentrists will point to the fact that Regulation 17 ONCE existed in Ontario though no criticism is ever directed towards Bills 101 or 14 in Quebec or current language legislation in Ontario that still exists and are in the midst of being updated to reflect an increasingly hostile anti-everything English attitude and approach?