Imagine walking into a Service Ontario location and being served. Now imagine sitting in a comfortable chair and having a voice/video link with a government office. Now imagine speaking in one of say 5 main languages with a real person just like at a counter. Using technology to help people is not new, you can even get an app on your smart phone to detect where your metal property line marker is. Of course that app would not help to get your new license plates or help order a new health card but there is technology that can.
Surely with a bit of planning and will, we can create something to help more people get things done in a manner that concentrates on citizens needs. Some bank machines already provide several languages to use, there are 9-1-1 call centers that instantly connect to translation services that can cover 140 languages and we have had hearing/speech impaired interfaces for years.
Why can’t we have a central station in say Toronto with round the clock operators that can provide assistance in several languages? Assistance for health cards, some translation and real time support. If after a hundred plus years of language issues that no one seems ready to discuss and work towards solutions, the least we can do is help people that need it, is that not what multiculturism & bilingualism was about? Language duality is a wonderful concept but really, after 40 plus years of the Official Languages Act, 26 years of the Ontario French Languages Services Act and billions of dollars, the percentage of bilingual Canadians has remained stagnant outside of Quebec, but let’s put technology to work for the benefit of all Canadians even as a trial, each Ontario ministry already has a language coordinator, give them technology as well,and stop saying why we can’t do something, ask your MP and MPP how we can!
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Let me say this Eric…..your little gang of freedom fighters can not tell nor dictate how and where our tax dollars should be spent. If you want to change things run for elections…..if you haven’t already and like galganov…….LOST.
eric wrote: Are you not tired of the division and what is going on in your own country?
You guys are the ones talking about division and pushing for it to happen. The freedom fighters started this BS.
Yep many are tired of the nonsense.
stellabystarlight August 16, 2013 at 10:18 pm
“If there is extra room, I may decide to let some on but THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE BACK OF THE BUS.”
Well stella the English have gotten used to their position at the back of the bus ,we have agreed to this subjugation by allowing our rights to be eroded.
Oh and as Stella says:
” As for the price……the French get on free.”
Oh did we think otherwise? Not – like the free French camping of course covered by the taxpayer.
Yes English at the back of the bus ,you know your place!
Is this anti-French obsession a Cornwall area thing? I have to ask because I check out all kinds of similar Canadian sites regularly, and nowhere else do I find never ending English supremacist BS. My guess is that most of the twelve (or so) apoplectic francophobes posting on this site were born in or came from the Cornwall area. I do believe that a few people in Red Deer Alberta hate French people too, but that doesn’t count. They have their own issues.
Just asking.
Furtz
August 17, 2013 at 5:42 pm
“Is this anti-French obsession a Cornwall area thing? I have to ask because I check out all kinds of similar Canadian sites regularly, and nowhere else do I find never ending English supremacist BS. My guess is that most of the twelve (or so) apoplectic francophobes posting on this site were born in or came from the Cornwall area.”
Wow Furtz great way to spread hate propaganda!
This has nothing to do with anti-french ,but everything to do with The government agenda of official bilingualism and its unfair approach for the minority at the majorities cost.
Language legislation in Canada has created a language apartheid .
There are some french zealots that continue to push for advantage in our pseudo democracy .
If all people were to be treated as equal there wouldn’t be this issue and people would not be on here to voice their concerns about the subject ,yet clearly there is an many out there concerned with language apartheid.
For years when people spoke up with regards to language inequality and their own rights , the best defense to silent those was to call them “bigots”.
Bigot is not often used anymore because now when the term is used the province of Quebec comes to mind for many ,as a constant stream of media and events reassures us this.
English to the back of the bus we have subjugated ourselves for this.
Under god we are all equal, under Canadian language laws we are not!
I refuse to feed the trolls on this site who choose to defame, instigate & spread propaganda.
I suggest we all ignore the 2 or 3 trolls, who are probably from Cornwall & are feeling threatened by everyday Canadians who are oppressed & discriminated against for being English.
I have rights & I will fight for them.
Time to bring fairness back!
How can we lobby our Conservative government for an English Language Commisioner???
Stella said “You guys are the ones talking about division and pushing for it to happen. The freedom fighters started this BS.”
Really? Saying no to forced language laws and unfair hiring practices does not sound like a “start”!
Stella said “Yep many are tired of the nonsense.”
Of course, from both sides! There are only a few who are pushing laws that are causing the “nonsense” and what better way to reduce our debt and deficits…..there are enough laws now so French people will not die in the streets from lack of services.
I asked a question Highlander. Is it a Cornwall thing?
I live in the Brockville area where there is a lot of racism and bigotry just under the surface, but I hear very little ranting about the French invasion. We used to hear about it twenty-odd years ago when the APEC loonies were still around, but since they’ve been laughed out of existence, hardly at all. BTW, the guy at the center of the infamous Quebec flag stomping incident is a neighbour of mine. Not a bad guy, just a stupid hot-head when he was younger.
Yep…….let’s all start fighting for our rights. That is what they are doing in Egypt and all of the Middle East. ISN’T IT WONDERFUL!!!!! Yep, killing each other for their rights…..that is great!!!!
That’s what we really need in this country, more people with that type of mentality.
CANADA THE LAND OF THE FREE!!!! LET’S KEEP IT THAT WAY!!!!!
EL wrote: How can we lobby our Conservative government for an English Language Commisioner???
If you want change, run for elections……see how far you will get with that one. Ask galganov.
Stella I will make a rare interlude into the debate. I find that your attitude is what leads to situations like Egypt. You have people that have a legitimate issue and you poo poo them. Then you attack them because they may not be as polished or are frustrated by systemic poo poo ing.
Hope you think about that.
There are very clear realities in Canada and Ontario today when it comes to job hirings and frankly there is a dark cloud over the process that needs to be blown away.
We need productive and positive solutions and we need positive dialog.
@admin
Thanks 🙂
My intent to post this is not in any way an attempt to dictate or direct any part of this process. They are merely thoughts and Ideas posted for consideration and reflection .
This could be helpful to open-minded individuals that are truly motivated by a sincere desire to affect change. Sometimes a gentle reminder of the objectives of why we do what we do can
elicit a renewed vigour and encourage us into taking action to affect change. Arguing and debating the need for change is not in itself productive. An action plan to guide and promote change, should be the ultimate result that motivates all to defend and debate the need for change.
In order to complain effectively you have to know exactly what it is you are complaining about. Sometimes we think we know, but it often turns out to be something else. You can’t have an effective argument, if you don’t know what your argument is. So, step number one in effective complaining is:
1. Get clear on what you are complaining about:
The statement, “how to complain effectively” entails some sort of goal. If you want something to be effective, you want it to achieve a result. Complaining without a purpose is not effective. Complaining to hurt someone or create drama is also ineffective. This kind of complaining is destructive. So the second step in effective complaining is:
2. Identify your purpose; what result are you hoping for?
Once you know what you’re complaining about and why, you need to come up with a way to execute the complaint so that it will achieve the desired result. There are a number of things to consider when coming up with a plan. Who are you complaining to and what is most likely to invoke a favourable response in them? Is what you are complaining about really worth the time and effort you are putting into it? Where and when would be the best way to bring this up? So, step three in effective complaining is:
3. Come up with an appropriate plan of action plan:
After following the previous steps, you need to be willing to follow through with anything you may be called upon to do. We often think that simply voicing a complaint is all that is required of us, and that may be the case in some instances. Sometimes however, after a complaint is made, action is required to address it. You may be asked to help with this. You need to be prepared to do what you can if this is the case. Step four in effective complaining is:
4. Be prepared to do whatever you may be called upon to do in order to properly address the issue:
In any situation where you are expressing a complaint always show respect and concern for whoever is involved. Blaming and accusing are not effective or mature responses and will probably increase the problem rather than improve it.
This is not a prescription to complain about every little thing. Yet, when a reasonable complaint presents itself keep these steps in mind. You’ll find that the results are much more pleasant and productive. And will effectively affect change. Having a defined objective to ultimately create a detailed ACTION PLAN from this exercise will deliver a positive outcome.
English Lassie August 18, 2013 at 5:35 am
“How can we lobby our Conservative government for an English Language Commisioner???”
Very good question indeed. First you have to gather and document in a methodical way incidents and situations that can support and bring proof to your claim. You need to factually
compile evidence that the English majority is being oppressed and discriminated against, and is being deprived of English Services. In this case you can not just say it you have to prove it.
After you have gathered this research you can ask for a meeting with your local MP.
You can also simultaneously request a meeting with the Minister responsible for the English language in Canada. And while you have their attention and ear you can share with them your SOLUTION to render fairness back to the English Majority.
At the same time you could ask them for the Cost to provide translation Services.
English Lassie July 26, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Solution:
1) Goodbye Quebec
2) Abolish ALL language laws in Canada
3) One official language; ENGLISH
4) ANY second language is an asset
5) Provide translation services as needed
Pretty darn simple!
They may consider your Solutions and research to have all the elements of sound logical judgement and attainable balance. With this ammunition you can possibly justify the need of an English Language Commissionaire.
1. Get clear on what you are complaining about:
A lack of English signage on the TransCanada highway in the province of Quebec. Driving through Quebec, Montreal in particular, on the TransCanada highway, in a construction zone and there was no temporary informational signage posted. There was plenty of temporary signage in French, but not one in English.
2. Identify your purpose; what result are you hoping for?
I really wanted to know why it was that way, and why it was ok. Why there was a double standard when it came to Quebec and the rest of the country.
3. Come up with an appropriate plan of action plan:
I figured I would ask the folks here at CFN why that was, and why that was ok. I was hoping for an answer or a discussion.
4. Be prepared to do whatever you may be called upon to do in order to properly address the issue:
Well to be called an idiot was far from any expectation I had. To be mocked, edited and reworded, chastised in secret to my face, and ignored was also a surprise. How does one prepare for such hostilities? And how do such hostilities help anyone on either side?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2012/09/24/nb-duality-health-parrott-631.html
This happened last year here in New Brunswick, the people of New Brunswick who have brought up the same issue are also being ignored by our government officials and local (English) media outlets.
Well it seems that some are still feeling the need to continue their quest to get answers to a question that has been answered 21 times in different posts. It seems that none of these answers suffices at contenting this poster.
Earlier this summer I was on my way to London Ontario. In order to get there I had to get through a construction zone that lasted for about 15KMs. I saw allot of signs. Not one of these signs was in French. My question is why are the English rights more important in London Ont.?
Thankfully they had translated some of them to bilingualism. When I first entered the zone they had an English sign that said CONSTRUCTION ZONE. It’s a god thing because in French they have a signs that says ZONE DE CONSTRUCTION. Then when they wanted traffic to change lanes they used English arrows like this >>>>>> to tell us to go to the right. It’s a good thing I’m quick at translating. Then they had some <<<<<<<to go to the left. Then they used a DETOUR 5KM in English. In french it's DETOUR 5KM. And for the rest I had enough sense to follow the flow and low and behold I got to London Ontario safe and sound and in one piece.
As my friend Richard would say “Une pempete dans un vers d'eau”
Hungry for the Truth…. August 18, 2013 at 11:15 am
Many of the issues have been brought forward to the politicians with solutions but political atrophy is due to the sensitivities of the subject.
Politicians are spineless and most times sit on the fence and avoid those tougher issues ,did we vote them in to be to avoid those tough issues that Canadians want addressed?
Politicians need to be more accountable and stop pandering to minorities and be accountable for ALL Canadian citizens,equality is for All.
Time for action when the government no longer listens to its citizens request for equity.
admin August 18, 2013 at 8:28 am
Very well said Jamie ,her intent is to agitate rather then have productive dialogue but that’s the directive from her francophone rights group.
Disruption to avoid the REAL ISSUES.
It’s about equality rights,and well francophone groups want to maintain their advantage no matter the impact on others rights.
NB
August 18, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Thanks NB for advising these fine folks on the reality of New Brunswick .Dr. Jim Parrott’s is a hero in my eyes for speaking up for the interest of his constituents and not having to tow the party line .
Dr.Parrott’s agree’s with bilingualism in the health care setting and not duality of services of which the taxpayers cannot afford .
Being a Cardiac Surgeon he would have a better understanding of the health care environment then his fellow MP’s.
But now he is an outcast for speaking up for those citizens.
We need more Politicians with testicular fortitude like him as our country wouldn’t be in the fine mess were in,and our language apartheid would not exist.
MP’s must stand for their constituents first and not political agenda’s.
I would like to see more independent Mp’s they would certainly serve their constituents better .
http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Letter+language+police+visit+bank/8387624/story.html
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/Montreal/ID/2400680285/
The interview starts at 16:09
Welcome to language apartheid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQZpNDhNBYY
Yes its fascism -Language apartheid is growing !
Jamie wrote: I find that your attitude is what leads to situations like Egypt. You have people that have a legitimate issue and you poo poo them.
They may have a legitimate issue locally but what is annoying is how they are trying to disrupt and engage an entire nation. THAT IS WHAT LEADS TO SITUATIONS LIKE EGYPT.
I will give it some thought like you suggested but I do not have a high level of tolerance when it comes to stupidity.
Hungry for the Truth….
August 18, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Please show me where someone responded to my query. Folks answered the question they wanted me to ask, but not the question I actually asked. My post was turned around and made to look foolish, and I was insulted for having the nerve to ask, but no where did anyone answer my post.
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“Earlier this summer I was on my way to London Ontario. In order to get there I had to get through a construction zone that lasted for about 15KMs. I saw allot of signs. Not one of these signs was in French. My question is why are the English rights more important in London Ont.?”
This a bold face lie! Once again you try to make me look foolish, and all you’ve accomplished is to diminish your almost non–existent credibility. Too bad. You had a good run with this nickname. Too bad you’ll have to create another.
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(If you find any actual answers to my original post, post ’em here for all to see and I will apologize for my error. I can do that, unlike some.)
bella
August 19, 2013 at 6:55 am
This a bold face lie! Once again you try to make me look foolish, and all you’ve accomplished is to diminish your almost non–existent credibility. Too bad. You had a good run with this nickname. Too bad you’ll have to create another.
“Non-existent credibility” yes ,yes and that moniker will change yet again -but it did find “lives for lies” appropriate ,yes better to stick to that one
(If you find any actual answers to my original post, post ‘em here for all to see and I will apologize for my error. I can do that, unlike some.)
You see bella they would prefer to attack the poster then to admit wrong ,therefore many attacks …hence I have yet to see stella post relevant data in these 2 years .
A fine example is this :
stellabystarlight
August 18, 2013 at 7:35 am
Yep…….let’s all start fighting for our rights. That is what they are doing in Egypt and all of the Middle East. ISN’T IT WONDERFUL!!!!! Yep, killing each other for their rights…..that is great!!!!
That’s what we really need in this country, more people with that type of mentality.“
Well I guess she would not have agreed with the women’s suffer-ages movement as they where asking for equal rights as well.
Imagine the names she would have called those women who wanted to be treated as equals .
What of that mentality of the civil rights movement stella they fought for their rights as well ….WHERE THEY WRONG IN DOING SO ……..WELL PROBABLY THE WRONG PERSON TO ASK THIS AS YOU DO NOT LIKE OTHER CULTURES OR PEOPLES .
@ EVERYONE
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Letter: The language police visit a bank
AND THIS, is ONLY what is going on in Quebec. The rest of the country is under attack by a similar yet slightly reverse “FRENCH MUST BE PRESENT” push also.
The Gazette May 15, 2013
Did you catch that. — 2013 —
While this Orwellian event may appear to most as an article taken from the Onion, I firmly place my hand on my Montreal Canadiens jersey and swear the truth to the gods of our city.
The event began on May 14, when a local federal bank that shall not be named was visited by Quebec’s language police. As a starting point, English-only pamphlets, which were skilfully placed next to French-only pamphlets, had to be removed from the customers’ area. Employees were told that they did not belong in the front; what if a francophone were to accidentally select the wrong pamphlet? The strain of placing the pamphlet back and appropriately selecting another is an injustice that the language police in Quebec luckily are here to protect us from.
Next up: a microwave. This seemingly innocent machine hides its evil by presenting the employees with hot Pizza Pockets and mom’s leftovers. Within this evil lie several words, written only in English. No, not even their own, private microwave is safe from the hands of the language police. Among these forbidden words: open and time. These frighteningly English words carry with them the desire to eradicate the French-speaking population of Quebec. With a few adjustments, employees will soon be able to safely heat up their favourite dishes in French.
Finally and the most puzzling of the changes made that day, my sister’s personal calendar. This calendar, which is solely for her own use, and which is barely visible to other employees, let alone the customers, features the months of the year in English.
Welcome to Quebec, where the laws are made up and the people don’t matter.
Sam Brault
What was that Stella? Didn’t you say
“CANADA THE LAND OF THE FREE!!!!”
Yeah right !!!
Free to get shit on in Quebec maybe.
The anglophone majority if FED UP with your form of freedom.
Thanks to Highlander for bringing this to the ATTENTION of ALL OF US.
@ bella August 19, 2013 at 6:55 am
GREAT POST bella.
Full of grit and “go get em.” 🙂
You’re right, they NEVER truly answered.
Yup, Edudyorlik,
All Animals in Quebec and Eastern, Northeastern Ontario are equal but some are MORE equal than others…
Why is it that these laws and hiring practices are enforced so strongly with areas of Ontario bordering Quebec?
Shouldn’t bilingual policies also be enforced throughout Western Quebec?
Holleeee…
I go away for two days and the fox from the hen house door has practically eaten all the hens.
Shesh…
First off Furtz. This “push back” is NOT an anti French thing. What will it take for you to get that through your head.
Furtz wrote, “Is this anti-French obsession a Cornwall area thing?”
It is simply the beginning of a push back (think pendulum) by the English majority against the French minority powers that be for things like outlawing the English language in “the province” of Quebec which displaced thousands of English people over the past 30 years or so.
That was the beginning but the English went ahead and appeased the French and let them have — THAT PART – of Canada since the English are fair and easy going enough to let them have it.
They showed the French they are fair and accommodating.
BUT NOW (give em an inch and they will take a mile — again, thanks to my late mom for that description –), they are attempting to “branching out” and attempting to make it so that all the rest of Canadians MUST speak French in order to make a living and be involved in their own damn government and advance in their own military etc.
WHICH BTW, French may well be what THEY WANT IN QUEBEC BUT, IT IS NOT a necessity in CANADA as a whole. A country where over 96% of the people can speak English.
As a matter of fact it is simply impractical and INSANE to FORCE EVERYONE to go that route when dealing with these tiny numbers of French in ALL the other parts of Canada
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5KXSEWnjy5c/UhJOFehykSI/AAAAAAAAAus/s1HQ1VxRh2w/w765-h398-no/Population+-+Language+stats+2011.png
it is a complete and total waste of money (a financial burden) PLUS it goes against common sense. Not to mention HOW MUCH RESENTMENT IT IS CAUSING. Which by the way I can honestly say, the resentment is building EACH AND EVERY DAY.
Sort of like the magma at the base of a volcano. It builds and builds and you don’t want to be the one standing there making fun of the noise it’s making when it blows.
If the French can say IT IS FRENCH IN QUEBEC ONLY, why can’t Canada say IT IS ENGLISH IN CANADA ONLY? Seems fair, reasonable and logical to me.
ON August 18, 2013 at 8:28 am admin wrote, “Stella I will make a rare interlude into the debate. I find that your attitude is what leads to situations like Egypt. You have people that have a legitimate issue and you poo poo them. Then you attack them because they may not be as polished or are frustrated by systemic poo poo ing.
Hope you think about that.
There are very clear realities in Canada and Ontario today when it comes to job hirings and frankly there is a dark cloud over the process that needs to be blown away.
We need productive and positive solutions and we need positive dialog.”
Perfect reply admin. also — Your masterful use of the term “poo poo” — brought a smile.
As for me, the comparison brought this to my mind —
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grvpyepkD2o&hd=1
Just sayin…
@Hungry for Truth (aka: Lives for lies)
HFTT (lives for lies) wrote “It’s clear he (edudyorlik) doesn’t ignore my posts. If he didn’t have my posts to tear apart how could he justify his RANTS.”
Oh please… DO NOT toot your horn buddy. You are NOT that IMPORTANT… TO ME or to anyone else for that matter.
OK well, maybe to someone like Stella who desperately needs SOMEONE to idolize. But as I said before, that is NOT a hard pair of shoes to fill. So, dream on pal.
And while I am “addressing you” which, according to your own admission, you will not read -BS- so, unfortunately you will not gain ALL the KNOWLEDGE I am imparting 🙂
Your little “rules of the road” diatribe was very quaint. How nice of you — the “imagined” superior — to address us peons and fill us with all your “so called” wisdom.
Do you not realize most of us have lived through all of the cr@p for the past 30-40 years now. Do you honestly think we all just crawled out from under a rock… OK, I’ll expect the standard A**H*** answer to that. Do you believe this is all we do? Do you not think there is more going on behind the scenes?
Please, be kind and impart upon us the name of the magical oil your mommy and daddy stroked upon you with that gives you such a false sense of superiority?
And besides, what is your point?
After condescending and ridiculing the English with your
Hungry for the truth aka: Lives for lies) “How much for your bus tickets. Are you serving “Tourtieres” or “Poutins”. Can I drive a only French on my bus. SEPERATIST if it’s possible.”
You then turn around and are supposed to be imparting all this so called wisdom? What gives? Do you simply live for the entertainment value?
I’ll tell you again. Let me MAKE IT CLEAR…
This is NOT fun and games to those of us who oppose what is happening. Some of us have lost jobs, some have positions and some have not been able to advance in certain fields. Some have lost even more. That’s right. It may be funny to you and “miss — we should listen to and obey everything our leaders tell us” bubble head BUT, IT IS NOT funny to others.
And BTW, your “advice” though i admit somewhat well worded is mostly useless, and is obviously intended to serve to deflect and distract. Just for starters, the people you suggest that the English should complain to are people in positions that have already been infiltrated. This whole debacle did not start yesterday just in case you haven’t noticed..
So, if it is some form of entertainment to you, I suggest you get yourself a puppy, or buy a t.v. or get some friends you can go out and party with. Please, refrain from telling us you are interested in REAL debate and REAL solutions when you then turn around and “try” to ridicule and dehumanize the very people you are claiming to want to debate and find solutions for and with.
You are nothing but a rolled up and mixed of Stella, and Richard — with a little more intelligence, ability (and time) to dig for information – combined with the antagonist AH side of Furtz.
NOTHING MORE.
There is zero defense for what is really going on — IN ALL OF this country —
and like the rest “of that clan” that hangs out on an English forum just to bash the English folks and ideas here —
YOU ALL KNOW “IT is happening” and you ALL “SEE WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING” but YOU ALL NEED oppose it for fear that if someone doesn’t “oppose” the “push back” IT WILL catch on even more.
Well, I have NEWS for ya’ll… 😉
PS: Interesting how you have Stella now actually admitting that there is a problem.
A step in the right direction. Thanks for that I guess.
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But, remember, have a happy
potential “volcano eruption” moment coming kinda day.
PPS: May you and yours have the great fortune to be standing at the base when it happens 🙂
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And in the UK. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2353645/The-doctor–VIDEO-LINK-London-hospital-trust-uses-technology-improve-care-night-weekends.html
@Cory Cameron RE: POST on August 19, 2013 at 11:54 am
Cory wrote, “Why is it that these laws and hiring practices are enforced so strongly with areas of Ontario bordering Quebec?
Shouldn’t bilingual policies also be enforced throughout Western Quebec?”
Not sure if this was directed to me or not and i don’t know the answer but, i will say this.
I am of the mind that we NO LONGER negotiate and try to find “fair and level ground” with a group that is not playing fair on their side.
All this talk about the ROC trying to “accommodate” the French with such devices as “where numbers warrant” and whatever else that is being proposed.
These are wonderful concepts and SHOULD perhaps be looked at some point down the road but …
At this juncture the simple STARTING point MUST BE. OK, if the French want accommodation in ALL OF CANADA then before we begin and go any further YOU MUST do away with barbaric anti English anti constitutional laws like 101 and 14.
IT’S JUST THAT SIMPLE.
— AND THAT — is just the starting point.
The next thing i would say that we focus on and make
— An absolute MUST is — ANY FRENCH OUTSIDE OF QUEBEC should be treated the way the English is treated INSIDE Quebec —
French outside Quebec should ALWAYS BE in the non dominant position. On the right to the bottom or in smaller font.
That cannot even be criticized by the French as unfair since this is exactly how they view things. And, to be frank.
If we “MUST” have to live with both languages the way the French wish to want to force IT…
THE VERY LEAST it should be is… Within that MUTUALLY respectful concept.
The opportunity is now.
If not, and if this is unacceptable to them (which i guarantee you it likely is because they are NOT INTERESTED IN FAIR and EQUAL and so on as i have said before)
then let them have Quebec and we separate because
I FOR ONE (and i know of many others)
am TOTALLY fed up with paying billions of my own dollars that are going directly into the the plan for the demise of the English language and the English culture in this country.
WE MUST STOP dreaming this can work out while they are slowly methodically putting the pieces in place so that we no longer have a choice or any power left to do anything.
WAKE UP. tell everyone you know stop people on the street, talk to the person in the bus stop. TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW now to take this any more.
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This is OUR COUNTRY TOO. if we can find fairness and a “respectful” equal common ground then fine but, WE ALL HAVE TO BE COMING TO THE TABLE OFFERING THE SAME level of respect and accommodation. NOT what we see happening right now.
HFTT, it is not a matter of English rights or French rights as you ask here – “Earlier this summer I was on my way to London Ontario. In order to get there I had to get through a construction zone that lasted for about 15KMs. I saw allot of signs. Not one of these signs was in French. My question is why are the English rights more important in London Ont.?”
It is a matter of cost and needs! London Ont. for example has about 1% French mother tongue and about .4% that speak mainly French in the home.
@Eric…..this is too funny. Here we have a question about English signs in London. Then we are being asked why is there are no French signs.
Then we have another freedom fighter that complains about French signs in Northern Ontario……LOL
You guys are something else. TALK ABOUT CONFUSION………LOL
Try getting on the same page…….you seem confused.
@bella
Eric has provided you a very profound intellectual response to the question that you have been asking. As a tourist you should not expect English signs on the |Trans Canada in Montreal because only 2% of Montreal residents speaks English in the home.
It’s a matter of cost and need. If London doesn’t need them then I can safely deduct based on this reasoning Montreal doesn’t need them either.
Do not shot the messenger ! It’s not my answer.
Eric August 19, 2013 at 1:16 pm
“It is a matter of cost and needs! London Ont. for example has about 1% French mother tongue and about .4% that speak mainly French in the home.”
Uh, stellabystarlight, the question from HFTT was “why are the English rights more important in London Ont.?” Yes it was about signs, and the reason I gave was there is not a “need” plus it was not about English or French rights being more or less important.
What a bout the rights of the Canadian taxpayer though?
Anyway, unlike the well organized Franco groups, many of the posters to this site are not part of an organized group working with one leader. If we did have one leader, I would suggest SHE /HE start every post with this is too funny, you know, just to gain some kind of false superiority…..
Why not comment on the video conferencing noted above that could help people with services and reduce some tax burden?
Thank you Eric for answering the question. Thank you for taking the time to respond in a mature and well thought out manner.
As for hftt, as promised here you go:
I’m sorry you refused to even acknowledge there was an issue until someone else gave you an answer. I’m sorry you feel the need to belittle and berate those who think differently than you. And I’m sorry there are others out there who feel as you do. Look at that three apologies. Again not what you were hoping for, but you must be used to disappointment by now.
Yeah, Hungry for the truth (but lives for lies) except that
Eric ‘s answer has more basis in truth and fact when we look at the IMPORTANT historical details and facts.
Historical details and fact of the kind that you and that clan tend to wish to forget and dismiss at every opportunity. (unless of course those historical facts and details make you feel warm and fuzzy all over – like the FLQ)
IE: we have “one group” which is a tiny minority group – (the French) who are a defeated group that reside in and (– through manipulation and cajoling — ) control a mere “province” inside the country of Canada and the other “group” (the majority English) who are the victorious group that built (and btw paid for a great percentage of practically everything in that province) who reside in and control “THE COUNTRY.”
HUGE differences. The province SHOULD be bound by and conform to (for the most part) the laws of the larger entity (the country) more so that the country should be bound by the idiocy of the `feelings of grandeur like whims` of the people that are running `just`the province.
edudyorlik
August 19, 2013 at 12:07 pm
You definitely put lives for lies in his place ,But sorry he is not as intelligent as he thinks he is ,great facade though .
It did take him 12 days to get research on hospital language availability ,my sources had it it 1 day and it wasn’t a copy and past a government policy.
He writes
Ya he’s slow ,and not that fast either.
Hungry for the Truth….
August 19, 2013 at 2:44 pm
“As a tourist you should not expect English signs on the |Trans Canada in Montreal because only 2% of Montreal residents speaks English in the home.”
Hungry great lie on the stats(more of your propaganda ) -Montreal has the greatest concentration of English in Quebec 15% of the population ,lets not forget those allophones who speak English as a second language .
All in all the truth is Quebec has as much English as the rest of the country has French.But yet both populous-es in their respected regions are treated very differently.
bella
August 19, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Very well said bella!
We and others know that lives for lies is one of the franco rights groups members and remains with their agenda.
The question is is he payed by taxpayers through franco rights groups to do this ?
You know 760 million in Ontario goes to these groups (several hundred ) or federally over 700 (2.4 billion ) in one way or another.
Where else did you think the funds and organization cost that funded the FREE FRENCH ONLY CAMP CAME FROM?
where is the FREE English only camps ?
That”s right if it were free even the french children would be allowed !
WELCOME TO LANGUAGE APARTHEID
Quebec has over 3 million people (42% area) that can speak English, but go with unilingual signs everywhere. Ontario is more welcoming (some would say bend over) and put up double the signs in specific areas to accommodate about 11% (about 1.4 million) who can speak both. French only in Ontario is point 3 %. Cost and actual need is valid, but Ontario took the high road.
@Highlander. Yeah, you’re right.
One thing is for sure though. Those who enjoy political banter and simply read the posts without replying themselves can no doubt, clearly see how “that gang of agitators” just simply have no “leg to stand on” (so to speak) when it comes to “the many truths” of this issue.
A fact that becomes so VERY obvious and clear when “the agitator gang” they say NOTHING at all when it comes to the myriad of blatant truths that they cannot refute.
THAT’S when they really SHOW THEIR TRUE COLORS.
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edudyorlik August 20, 2013 at 8:12 am
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@Highlander. Yeah, you’re right.
One thing is for sure though. Those who enjoy political banter and simply read the posts without replying themselves can no doubt, clearly see how “that gang of agitators” just simply have no “leg to stand on” (so to speak) when it comes to “the many truths” of this issue.
A fact that becomes so VERY obvious and clear when “the agitator gang” say NOTHING at all when it comes to the myriad of blatant truths that they cannot refute.
THAT’S when they really SHOW THEIR TRUE COLORS.
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Hey bella…
You’re great questions and “interesting” apology seems to have scared off the “agitator clan.”
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So, besides navigating through “that land” without the benefit of English on the road signs —
Something that should be afforded to you (and all) MAJORITY ANGLOPHONE Canadian tax paying citizens in a country where 96% of the population knows ENGLISH
— how’s your summer going so far?
No, edudyorlik. We are just lurking and laughing.
Carry on.
Oh, that’s brilliant Furtz. What’s even better is that you tell us that your doing that.
Why don’t you find better things to do than hang out in a mainly English forum just waiting to agitate and whine about things.
Seriously, i am sure you would get more enjoyment if you bought yourself a little puppy dawg and took it to the park “to play.”
Hey, you could even train it to bite English people
or better yet, you could train it to demand services in French wha ha ha ha ha…
And on that note, i hope you have a great
“scoop da poop” kind of day eh 🙂 woof woof..
Hey Highlander, Edudyorlik, Bella, English Lassie, Concerned Citizen etc.
I’ve made a conscientious decision as of now to consider myself a citizen of the Commonwealth rather than a Canadian. So, when people ask me what nationality I am, I am going to reply I am a citizen of the Commonwealth of Great Britain with ancestral ties to the United Empire Loyalists.
I don’t know how you feel about this, but I am pretty darn upset about the language issues and our governments in general and feel more loyal to the Crown than to our current group of Yes Men and lackeys who run this country…
Anybody else share in this feeling?
Only those who are need reply.
yorlik ROTFLMAO!!!!
Coming from one of the biggest whiners of the freedom fighter gang yorlik says “waiting to agitate and whine about things”
NOW THAT IS FUNNY!!!!!
Furtz
August 20, 2013 at 6:10 pm
No, edudyorlik. We are just lurking and laughing.
Carry on.
Edudyorlik
August 20, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Yes Edudyorlik He is a TROLL with very little input.
But his intent is sarcastic ,antagonistic and deferral from the REAL issues ,but carry on Furtz we really don’t expect much or any informed information from you anyways.
Too funny! Nothing like a little sprinkling of truth now and then to get the whining freedom-fighters’ even more agitated.
Whine on freedom-fighters! You and your twenty-odd supporters all across Canada will eventually change the world! Or not.
stellabystarlight
August 21, 2013 at 7:54 am
Oh speaking of TROLL -Ignore button is on.